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3 Things Christians Do That Non-Christians Despise

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Spend two minutes talking to almost anyone outside the Christian faith and you’re almost certain to hear a list of complaints they have about Christians.

The problem has been around awhile.  As Mahatma Gandhi famously (and sadly) said: “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

He’s not alone.

The problem with many non-Christians isn’t that they don’t know any Christians. The challenge is they do.

So what gives?

Many Christians would tell you we have an image problem: we’re treated unfairly, we’re being persecuted, or we’re just badly misunderstood.

I’m not so sure.

It’s not so much that Christians have an image problem. It’s far more likely that we have an integrity problem.

Do we get misunderstood on some issues? Of course. But that’s outside our control.

There are more than a few issues entirely within our control that give us a bad name with people outside Christianity.

Here are 3 things Christians do that non-Christians despise.

Maybe Christians don't have an image problem. Maybe we have an integrity problem. Click To Tweet

1. Judge

It doesn’t take long for non-Christians to tell you how much they hate the way Christians judge other people.

Another two minutes on social media will reveal Christians and preachers condemning unchurched people for their sexual habits and preferences, life-style choices and even political views. I doubt this is what Jesus had in mind when he gave his life in love for the world.

Disclosure: without the mercy and intervention of Christ, I’m very judgmental. And years ago, I realized how devastating judgment and criticism can be to others. So I’m waging a life-long battle against it. Confessing it, repenting of it almost daily.

I realized years ago that very few people get judged into life change. Far more get loved into it.

Very few people get judged into life change. Far more get loved into it. Click To Tweet

It also occurred to me that the presence of judgment almost always guarantees an absence of love.

Think about it through the lens of your marriage, a friendship or even someone you work with: it is virtually impossible to love someone and judge someone at the same time.

But wait, you ask: what if they’re making a mistake and I need to correct them?

First of all, look at your mistakes and the depth of your sin, and deal with your issues first. In the process, you’ll encounter a loving God who forgives you despite your rather egregious sin.

And having been loved, you can love others.

I try to remember this rule: If I’m judging someone, I’m not loving them. You can’t judge someone and love them at the same time.

What would happen if Christians stopped judging the world (isn’t that God’s job?) and started loving it instead?

I believe that’s what Jesus did.

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2. Be Hypocritical

There’s a word for Christian who say one thing and do another. The word is hypocrite.

It’s far easier to call someone else a hypocrite than it is to admit you’re one.

It's far easier to call someone else a hypocrite than it is to admit you're one. Click To Tweet

The truth is that as much as I hate it, I’m a hypocrite. My walk doesn’t always match my talk. That’s why I don’t have a fish on my car. When I’m in a hurry and my natural impatience surfaces, the last thing some person God loves needs to see is a Christian cut him off.

Of course, it’s worse than that. I’m not always a loving husband, kind father, steadfast son, patient boss, or even compassionate friend. Like you, I’m a mixture of good and not-really-that good evil.

What did Paul say? Nothing good lives in me. Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord (Romans 7:18). That could be a life-verse for me. Well, actually, it kind of is.

Sanctification is a process that never ends.

I am not who I want to be (yet). I am not who God wants me to be.  But I’m different. I’m changing. And Christ is at work in me.

I believe that’s the reality for every person who calls Jesus Savior.

So what do imperfect Christians do? I mean just deciding you’re not going to make mistakes never keeps you from making mistakes.

I think the answer is simple: you watch what you say.

Don’t pretend to be something or someone you’re not.

I find the more humility I add to my words, the smaller the gap is between who I am and who I say I am.

When you admit your shortcomings, you build a bridge between you and others. Owning your sin is different than living in it; confession is never an excuse for complacency.

Owning your sin is different than living in it; confession is never an excuse for complacency. Click To Tweet

So what do you do if you live in the tension between what you usually say or want to say and what you do?

I think you change both.

You change how you live through the power of Christ day by day (getting better), and at the same time, you change how you talk about your faith, yourself and how you live (adding more honestly and humility to your words). I wrote about things modern Pharisees say today in this post (the Pharisees were an ultra-religious group Jesus strong criticized).

Want a quick fix for hypocrisy?

Accelerate your walk. Humble your talk.

Nothing closes the gap between word and action faster than that.

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3. Stink at Friendship

Friendship is hard.

We all have ideas of finding the perfect friends with whom we’ll never disagree, share 1000 common interests and ride off into the sunset with.

Well, very few human relationships ever work that way. Even in marriage, the best marriages are almost always ones in which people have overcome deep and real obstacles to find a powerful love that’s far deeper than emotion.

Perhaps the first obstacle between non-Christians and Christians is that relatively few Christians actively pursue meaningful friendships with people who don’t share their faith. Between churches that offer programs 5 nights a week (leaving little time for Christians to make friends outside the church) and Christians who are afraid of the world, many Christians don’t pursue authentic relationships with non-Christians.

Which means much of the interaction non-Christians have is situational and observational rather than truly relational. They observe Christians in life and at work, notices traces of judgment and hypocrisy and draw all kinds of conclusions. I get that.

But Jesus went so much deeper than that. Jesus pursued friendships with people who were different than him. Whose lifestyles were far different than anything God had in mind for them (or for people in relationship with him).

Yet Jesus was their friend. He went to their house for dinner. They traveled together. They shared moments and meals and life.

It scandalized the religious leaders of Jesus day, and sadly, when it’s practiced authentically, it still scandalizes most of us today.

Think about it. When was the last time you hung out with a sex-worker?

When was the last time you had someone who’s not your skin color, not your political persuasion and doesn’t share your value system over for dinner, or when was the last time you broke bread with an addict (who’s not in recovery)?

Often when Christians do pursue ‘friendships’ with people far from God, it’s more of a project than it is a friendship.

But people aren’t projects; people are people. People can smell it a mile away if you see them as a project, not a person.

Even as you think about expanding the ministry of your church, if you see people as a means to an end, that’s a problem.

People can smell it a mile away if you see them as a project, not a person. Click To Tweet

Which leads us to another tension in our friendships with those outside the Christian faith.

Some Christians do have a relationship with unchurched people. So: how exactly do you talk about faith?

Great question!

Most of us swing to one extreme or the other: either we always talk about faith, or we never talk about. Both are mistakes.

Always talk about faith, and you’re turning the relationship into a project. Never talk about, and you miss the most important thing in life.

Real friendships always drill down on real issues, and few things are more significant than the meaning of life.

How do you talk about? Naturally, organically, in the context of your story is a great place to start.

Real friendships are like that.

Want a simpler place than that to begin? Try this. Just like the person. As much friend Reggie Joiner says, people will never believe you love them if they feel you don’t like them.

Boom.

People will never believe you love them if they feel you don’t like them. @ReggieJoiner Click To Tweet

So Let’s Work On This Stuff

Of all the mysteries we try to crack in life, the mystery of becoming a better, more Christ-like, person is the most challenging.

That’s what my latest book,Didn’t See It Coming is about. It’s all about overcoming the 7 greatest challenges everyone experiences, and no one expects.

Take pride for example. One of the things that makes you jealous, judgmental and bad at friendship is, well, pride. And in most of us, pride doesn’t become an issue because of narcissism, but because of insecurity.

That’s exactly the kind of self-limiting behaviour people struggle with, along with cynicism, compromise, emptiness, irrelevance and more.

Jud Wilhite, Lead Pastor of Central Church, Las Vegas, calls Didn’t See It Coming “the most important book you’ll read all year.”

Brian Houston and Andy Stanley call it ‘powerful.’

Check it out for yourself and grab your copy here.

What Do You Think?

Anything you see that people who are not Christians despise about Christians?

If you’re a Christian, what helps you overcome these issues, and what other issues do you struggle with?

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3 Things Christians Do That Non-Christians Despise

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  1. Bobby G. on September 16, 2020 at 3:42 am

    Doug, I agree with you on the gun comment. Christians should be Bible totters not packing pistols. Show’s a lack of faith. As for your comment about the outside world; we don’t view the world the same as people that are of the world. We as Christians don’t look to money, things or psychiatrist for our peace and happiness. Our needs comes from the Lord and He continue to prove himself to those that believe in Jesus Christ. It’s like our little secret. And for another secret; the one and only difference between the Christians, Jewish and Muslims is that Christians have Jesus Christ living in our hearts. I know it can be hard to see cause some Christians avoid their convictions, but we are the temple to the truth not a building. Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the Living God. To those of the world don’t see it this way because they haven’t received the spirit of truth. They will remain blind until they come to know the truth. Trust me I’m a living example of the power the Creator holds. I use to be a Nihilist. But until people receive this truth that I speak of, we will continually be ridiculed, mocked, called delusional, told we are hoodwinked and killed because of this lack of truth they don’t have. The true Christian has accepted this though and are content with it, not offended. Don’t be deceived by the lie that none of this exist cause it’s all true. I hope and pray you find spiritual nourishment through Jesus Christ.

    • Doug williamson on September 16, 2020 at 9:44 am

      Well, if Christian’s are not living of and for this world, please explain the cars in the parking lots of the churches in places like Boca Raton, Palm Beach, Wellington, etc. Why are there so many luxury cars? Why is there so much jewelry on display? What’s with the designer duds? It’s all a fashion show to impress one another. If your fake god were half what you say he is, he wouldn’t let any of bible thumpers near his kingdom. The only reason a religious person tries not to sin is fear of punishment and retribution from the Almighty. Atheists have morality out of respect for others.

      • Bobby G. on September 16, 2020 at 4:24 pm

        Doug, This is a reason why I would rather refer to myself as a follower of Christ instead of a Christian. Man has perverted the word Christian just as others have perverted the things God intended for good, like the rainbow or St. Patrick’s day. Some so called Christians are nothing more than modern day Pharisees, “a brood of viper” to say in a nicest way possible. They should give there riches away and actually follow the example that Christ gave us if you ask me. They’ll use scripture to justify there beliefs though. Sometimes it’s why I’d prefer to speak with a non believer than a self righteous Christian. Jesus said “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” Mark 10:25 NIV. But I can say that we are blessed to bless. So if God blesses us with riches we should use those riches to bless others and bring Him glory. There are too many people that are in need and a true follower of Christ should be stepping in to help these people, especially with the resources they have. It blows my mind sometimes that they don’t.

        As for sinning I personally fail daily but I have the risen King that helps me back up and to keep in pursuit of His righteousness. It’s only because of His Grace and Mercy that I continue in the meaningless life, He gives it a means. It’s when we come to the truth that this is revealed to us. Your right though there are a lot of moral people out there that aren’t believers. God understands not everyone will come to believe who He says He is. It’s why He created a place for those that don’t want to live for Him now. He doesn’t force His hand on anyone. If we don’t want to believe and live by his standards here, he’s not going to force us to live with Him for eternity. When He calls is though it’s for our benefit to answer and not ignore Him. When I was a Nihilist I always seen Atheists’ as being a form of religion and I still believe this. It takes some kind of belief system to believe in the non existence of God, just my thoughts. Heard someone tell me one time, “ I’d rather believe and it not be true than to not believe and it be true”. Don’t ever let anyone tell you to be a Christian is easy cause it isn’t. It’s all out war for the true believer and follower. The only time it’s easy is when we learn the truth and except Christ into our hearts. After that war begins cause I war with every part of me to do wrong. The only reason that I would end up in hell will be because of me, not God, not satan, only me. So I just pray you come and fight the right battle cause I’m not your enemy, God’s not your enemy. There’s only one enemy and that is the deceiver and we can’t allow ourselves to fall for his wicked schemes. Prophecies are lining up quick, don’t miss the Great Jesus escape. And if you don’t remember this conversation cause I can’t imagine the war you’ll have to go through to reach the Kingdom. Peace to you man.

      • Ann Lo on September 26, 2020 at 11:17 pm

        “Atheists have morality out of respect for others.” I love this. I get so tired of hearing that if you aren’t Christian you’re morally adrift. Not so. No respectable scientific peer-reviewed study has found that Christians are more moral than non-Christians. There’s no difference. And the secular humanist site where I hang out has some of the most wonderful people on earth. It is absolutely possible to be good, and grateful, and altruistic without God.

    • Dianna on September 22, 2020 at 1:08 am

      The “True Christian?” What is that? All I see is hate and misogyny. Christians are the most hateful and intolerant people. They can’t even imagine that there are those in the world that get on perfectly fine without their beliefs. They imagine that these people are deceived. The irony is, those of us who are not religious, we view all of you as being in a brainwashed cult. You’re the reason science is being questioned in this current pandemic. You are the people who support a lying tyrant with no morality as the leader of this country. Yet you dare think you are morally better than us! Wow! You have ZERO morals or ethics. You are now a joke. You talk of one thing, yet do another. We see this. We see you. We see your hypocrisy, glaringly now. Christians are the most unethical, most least moral people on the face of the planet, despite your self-righteous blabbering about how righteous you are. You are evil. You are hypocrites. You are the reason we have this nightmare of a president right now that is using your faith against you. He panders to your ignorance and mythology, just like any great cult leader or con man has done since time began.

      How many of you have actually read the whole Bible? I’d bet less than 20%. Read it. Uncritically. You people are the undoing of everything progressive that has happened in civilization. Now you’re clamoring for a Christian Taliban. Be careful what you wish for in applying Biblical Law. Especially those of you who have never actually read the Bible. Surprise!!! Be prepared, especially women, to be considered less-than. Humanity is still in its infancy because of religion. Religion poisons everything. From what we’ve been shown throughout history, and even up to this day right now, even as I write this, religion is an albatross that divides humanity and brings to fore its hatred and hypocrisy in demonstrably horrendous outcomes. Always. Prove me wrong. Just the very fact that most Evangelical Christians support Trump is the nail in the coffin for your cult. You’ve proven that real ethics and actual real-life morality mean nothing to Christians. Your hate and intolerance, of course, is fully advocated within the text of the canonized Bible that even most Protestant Christians believe to be written from the breath of God, but actually written by scribes during the Babylonian exile, scribes writing a fiction, incorporating many of the Near-East ancient mythology into a fictionalized history of the Hebrews. This is how we know what a hateful, genocidal, intolerant and loveless cult it is to which you all adhere; we can still read this mythology and its provenance from more ancient cultures than the Canaanite Hebrews.

      So we will judge you be your works. And yours works, thus far, have proven you to be a most suspicious and despicable tribe of people. The fact that most of you feel no shame for the hate you spew is evidence of how nefarious a people you are. The fact that you support a man who has zero ethics and even less morality shines brightly against your supposed righteousness. We see you. Do you see yourselves? Most likely not.

      • stop on September 22, 2020 at 8:13 am

        LOL I can’t take people who blame all the problems on Christians🤣. People like you.

        • Bobby G. on September 22, 2020 at 8:35 am

          Why have you done this? It’s this kind of behavior that turns people away from even attempting to believe in Christ. I’ve been praying and seeking God on how to respond to Dianna. I will respond on God’s timing not my own. Please seek to be edified.

      • Bobby G. on September 23, 2020 at 4:55 am

        Hi Dianna, I’m truly sorry there have been so many Christians that have given you a false narrative on how a Christian is suppose to behave. I understand your point of view cause I’ve been there. I had the same view at one time about Christians and religion in general, and to be honest in some instances I still see it in them, needless to say. The self-righteous don’t like me either. Sometimes I believe they don’t see or they try to avoid what Jesus Christ says, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!” Matthew 7:21-23 NIV. I personally believe these are the believers that we see. Some Christians believe once they are saved they can continue to behave in their old ways. We’re to be transformed into the likeness of Christ. Instead of ask God to bring conviction down own them, they ask for selfish things without having a pure heart or a pure motive. Know that what I have is not “religion” but a relationship with the Living God. I refuse to risk losing my soul over what others do. I use to put Christians on a pedestal and when they messed I’d say, “look how non-Christian they are behaving”. After the truth was revealed to me from Christ “Not man”. His Grace and Mercy was given and I should give it to others as well. After I became a believer it’s when I noticed other believers were no different than me. I was ashamed of how and who I was. It’s then I seen my true need for what Christ freely gives.
        God is Sovereign, without God there is no scientist , there are no leaders, there are no moral standards for us all. God puts these people in there place just like he has you in your place right now. People keep wanting all these things that are not of God and He’s eventually going to take His hand off and let them have what they want. Unfortunately, it won’t be for the best and people will want it to be like it was before but with repentance and petition He is forgiving just as he has always been. I have never voted personally, so no need to categorize me with that group. People tell me I should be ashamed, so I’ll walk in shame then. So to answer your question about a true Christian; they aren’t offended by the things like you have spoken or feel a need to defend ourselves, our reward is in Christ, we receive blessings from this stuff. We face all things with wisdom, knowledge and understanding that only comes from God. We pray and fast for God to change whatever is impure within us and war against every bit of it. Most importantly we want everyone else to see who God is and to be saved through Christ. We want everyone to experience the love He has for each of us. Dianna I prayed for you, don’t let your heart be a heart of stone, let Christ turn it into a heart of flesh. Don’t try to carry all your weight by yourself when you have someone to help you carry it. Draw near to Him so he can draw near to you.

        • SJ on September 23, 2020 at 5:55 am

          Can you guys just except criticism about how the faith is presented, written, or practiced by its congregation without trying to convert people who criticize it? I’ve literally never seen a Christian in my life who hears somebody criticize the aforementioned things, and says “Well if that’s what you believe that’s all right by me. You have a good day.” Even the article to which are commenting under addresses this, and I have seen nothing about that in the comments of people who defend Christianity. That’s one of the things non-Christians despise. Constantly showing into people’s mouths.

          • Bobby G. on September 23, 2020 at 8:00 am

            Sorry I have offended you by my words. I wasn’t defending but only presenting hope for eternity. There is no need for me or any other believer to defend the Gospel because it defends itself. I just seen a lack of understanding on what it means to be a follower of Christ. God helps me to help those that are actually seeking something greater than ourselves and it’s found in Christ. It’s why non believers are even looking into this type of article. The Gospel either offends or convicts I can’t help that, the truth is the truth and it can cut deep. I’m more accepting to non-believers than you could ever imagine. Once again I apologize for the offense. Peace to ya!



  2. vince on September 15, 2020 at 5:54 pm

    You are indeed confused. God is not the author of confusion. If you were to take some time to read the Bible just a little bit you would see these things. Guns have nothing to do with anything in the Bible. Yes, you are a bit confused. My guess is you have no intention of reading or hearing anything regarding Biblical truth or information. You will never undesrstand until you seek…..never….

  3. Amenda on September 11, 2020 at 10:58 pm

    Hi SJ, I usually don’t reply to long comment threads like this, but it seems that you feel bitter about what Christians believe in. I’m sorry if you’ve had a bad experience with certain people. It may be confusing, but please don’t read the Bible with a preformed bias. I myself have misunderstood the text at times. If you genuinely try to understand the text with good resources, it will make a lot more sense. I say this because as a Christian, I wish you could see the goodness and love of God in His word.

    Here are some tips that have helped me study the Bible:
    1) knowing that it doesn’t contradict itself or God’s character (if it appears to be, then compare with other scriptures and look at different resources to better understand)
    2) read in context (this can be historic, poetic language, symbolism, etc.)
    3) know who the author is / what their intentions are
    4) who the audience is

    • SJ on September 11, 2020 at 11:22 pm

      Amanda, I would genuinely love to discuss this sort of thing, but here is my issue: Fundamentally, every time I have a conversation about scripture Everyone will see that certain taps are meant to be interpreted in certain contexts… And it changes depending on what fits the current narrative the person is trying to spin towards me. I would love for you to tell me How I’m supposed to interpret passages about selling your daughter into slavery for example. And why I should apply that today? If the answer is I shouldn’t because it’s in a historical context, then why isn’t the passage about stoning homosexuals?

      • Bobby G. on September 12, 2020 at 5:20 am

        SJ, I don’t mean to offend by jumping into this discussion. First off I don’t believe it’s right to call someone bitter when they are just seeking answers. I’m not a biblical scholar or any kind of debater but I’d like to maybe help you understand a little better. The Bible is kinda like a history book in some cases and other cases we can read things and are like WOW!? How could a loving God allow this to happen? Just like the two bears that mauled the kids that were making fun of Elisha’s bald head. I came to the conclusion that God had to do, what he had to do, to open those kids eyes to the power of God so they may come to know who He is. Thank God we have Jesus for this now. Anyways, “Not everything that God designed for Israel in the Old Testament is the same as what he designs for us today.” They were under the old covenant law. We see the first pointer of how things have changed dramatically in Matthew 5:17, where Jesus says, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” I look at Old Testament to see how God responded and how it points to Christ. Without the Old Testament there’s no need for the New Testament. Under the new covenant with Christ relates more on how we’re to act and love one another in today’s time. SJ, I know that the whole concept can be a lot to take in cause I was once like you as well. The only difference was I never looked to try and find a answer. I was more of a Nihilist. It’s not until God “No Man” opened my eyes to the truth that I began to believe. I’m still growing in the faith today and I don’t have all the answers that’s only found through Christ. So my only suggestion for you is to ask Christ to help you come to the truth. All I really know is Christ crucified anyways. I can say that He has gave me a means to this meaningless life. I truly hope you draw near to Him so he can draw near to you. I will say a prayer just for you so God may place His hand on you as He has for me. Peace to ya SJ!

        • SJ on September 12, 2020 at 6:13 am

          Bobby G. This is why I often refer to Christians as “artful dodgers”. My question was: “if you do not believe you’re supposed to follow every old testament law, such as owning slaves, wearing two different kinds of fabric, and stoning disobedient children because that is put in a “historic context“ and “outdated”, then why is it you cannot extend the same courtesy to OTHER areas like homosexuals, nonbelievers, and women?” This is the question I would like answered if someone could.
          I did NOT ask “ How could a loving God smite an entire city of slave owning people if his people are allowed to own slaves?”, or “Why would God completely ruin the life of Job just to prove a point to the adversary?”.
          Personally I think it’s because a lot of Christians, not all, but a lot of them just find gay people icky and don’t like people who think or look differently from them. And the Old Testament very much affirms their beliefs so they feel justified because their bigotry can be validated from a source that is perceived as divine.

          • Bobby G. on September 12, 2020 at 8:06 am

            SJ, I’ve observed the same from Christians. Even as I am a Christian I still see the judgment cause I don’t line up with every little way of thinking. I just remember what Christ said, we would be hated by all. The courtesy should extend and Christians have a lack of self control which is a fruit of the spirit but If we’re truly seeking God there will be personal convictions placed on us and we’re to repent from those convictions. Not to get other to repent from those convictions. Our first command from Christ is to Love, Love , Love. Love God, Love Others then Love ourselves. Those that are believers in Christ are covered in His blood from the law. Take time to read 1 Timothy 1: 3-11 to get a understanding who the law does apply too. Hope this helps a little.



      • Frank Andrews on September 12, 2020 at 3:17 pm

        Ghandi had it right all along. Christians are full of shit! 😄

        • Bobby G. on September 12, 2020 at 3:26 pm

          Even as fools walk along the road, they lack sense and show how stupid they are.
          Ecclesiastes 10:3 NIV

  4. Sharon on September 3, 2020 at 4:39 am

    I grew up in a Christian home/became a born again Christian at a young age -it has kept me on the ‘straight and narrow’ all of my life. Jesus gives me hope when the world around me doesn’t offer any. I put my faith in God not in people. People, even Christians aren’t perfect and sometimes people let us down. I’ve let others down too. I hold fellow Christians to a higher standard, as I expect of myself -with God’s help because life can become too much to handle on our own. I don’t agree with any extremist groups, I think Trump is a joke and is tearing his country apart. Yes, they will know us by our love. Is there a heaven? Ask people who’ve had near death experiences. God says it and so it is true. Do I understand everything in the Bible?-heck no! I am not a Biblical scholar by any means. Just your average everyday Jane trying to get through life. Satan bothers us Christians on a daily basis – it is a constant battle but we are to ‘resist the devil and he will flee from us’. The devil is the god of confusion/doubt/lies. Jesus keeps His message simple for most of us to understand the basics. I find it amusing that Atheists spend so much time arguing their point against something they apparently don’t believe in -yet, seem so threatened by. Why argue against something you deem a fantasy? We have freedom of choice and we aren’t to ‘jam Christianity down your throats’ but we have a right to defend it -if challenged. I prefer to go through life believing in a perfect God..a personal God/Jesus who accepts me and all of my faults/failures. I can only put my faith in a perfect being who is above everyone and everything. Despite these modern times where change is constant -it is comforting to know that God is the same: yesterday, today and always. The Bible survived for over 2000 years – that is a miracle in and of itself ; considering you can’t even get 2 people to agree on anything! Proof? Jesus’s tomb was empty/He died on the cross/rose again – history has proven it!! Christians exist all over the world – all believing in the same message of hope and eternal life. He did exist and still does! You need proof that something we can’t see, exists? What about this virus?? We are saved by faith not by works. Then we choose to do the good works as a result of our faith. Until the world can offer me something better, I’ll choose God -every time!! (thanks for reading). I sincerely hope that you feel God’s love the next time you visit a church. We are all equal, according to God’s Word. We don’t ‘bite’ – I promise. (There is cool music too!) Peace and love to all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq1qGMyl3eQ

    • SJ on September 4, 2020 at 11:41 am

      The issue that people like me have with the mindset in this article is that this article pretty much tries to give sneaky ways to slide Christianity down the throats of people who don’t like it or have been told they are monsters by their flock. You’re looking at somebody who is both the former and the latter. Article talking about talking to people about faith during events, Like weddings or funerals. Playing a wolf in sheep’s clothing in order to gather more to the congregation, rather than letting anybody believe what they want

      • Terry on September 4, 2020 at 2:23 pm

        Um, no(?)…that would be a SHEEP in sheep’s clothing, if people are being transparent about what they believe and try to offer hope in given situations like funerals. A “wolf in sheep’s clothing” is a false teacher who tries to pass off a distorted but “acceptable” version of the gospel, like “all good people go to heaven,” or “God wants to give us everything we want in life.” The true gospel is inherently offensive even if presented with humility, and is more likely to drive people away than “gather more to the congregation”. One can certainly add to the offense by being arrogant in his presentation even if the theology is correct, but in any case people are still free to believe what they want regardless of the message.

        • SJ on September 4, 2020 at 2:27 pm

          I think about it. You don’t seem to find it *slightly* predatory To see a friend who is in mourning or might be vulnerable and then trying to draft them into your spiritual army? Not at *all*?
          And you didn’t even address the second part. The scriptures that people believe in, no matter how good the intention,, take people like me, who are born in a different way, And unironically believes that without hurting anybody we deserve to be sent to a Demiplane of smoke and torment.

          • Terry on September 4, 2020 at 3:35 pm

            I agree that expecting an on-the-spot conversion from someone who is in mourning or has suffered some trauma is a bit much; but we are called to offer hope to the hurting in form of words, actions or both. And this SHOULD be in the context of an ongoing relationship, not just somebody’s “project” as Carey points out. As for your other comment, the truth is that we ALL deserve hell no matter what the sin, uncomfortable as the idea may be. The world’s standard for good and evil is “victimhood” – whether our actions are harmful to others, which seems reasonable; but the standard in scripture is God Himself and there are many “hidden” sins that may never affect others but are sins nonetheless – greed, pride, lust, envy, hate, gluttony – because they are violations of God’s character and they are harmful to ourselves. It’s easy to point at an “external” sin and condemn it, but we are all guilty. I suppose the reason that certain behaviors are singled out is that they are presented as acceptable by popular culture and the Church must choose between going along with this lie or confronting it with truth. The message often gets bungled but the point is that Christ offers hope of a way out even if we can’t see it.



        • SJ on September 4, 2020 at 2:37 pm

          I am curious however… Are you someone who believes in the literal interpretation of the Old Testament? If so, I would check with your clothing is made out of… Or your dietary habits. Wouldn’t want to end up in the dimension of eternal smoke and torment now, would ya?

          • Terry on September 4, 2020 at 6:45 pm

            I did see this but had to leave off posting for a little while to attend to other things…So first, there is a difference between interpretation and application. And no, that’s not a cop-out but a legitimate and widely-used Bible study tool. Interpretation asks, “What does this mean?” while application asks, “How do I live this out?” One or both questions can be hard to answer but using the body of scripture, its overarching story and the tenets of the gospel (AND the Holy Spirit) as our guides we can find answers that most Christians agree on. For example, we take the story of Jericho as a literal, historical event that really happened – that’s a literal interpretation. (Some passages are interpreted figuratively, but that’s for a different post.) But how do we apply it? We don’t conduct the same kind of warfare anymore or even engage in much hand-to-hand combat, so what do we do with a story about marching around city walls and then yelling? We can interpret the story literally but apply it figuratively: Faith in God brings down walls. We can storm fortresses with Christ on our side. The mark of the “scarlet thread” saves us. These are just the few applications I can think of. We ask what different passages meant to the original audience, and then ask how to apply them to modern times. Some applications are the same or similar, some are different.

            As for OT law, I do interpret it literally. God really expected His people to follow them and there were consequences for not doing so. But when it comes to application, we ask why God made these laws to begin with, how they applied to ancient Israel and how they apply today. Some were symbolic in pointing ahead to Christ – the sacrificial laws, for example. We don’t apply these by literally sacrificing sheep and oxen because Christ already made atonement for us and the symbol is now obselete. The law against wearing blended wool and linen was also symbolic as it was meant to remind the people to keep themselves morally pure and not divide their worship between God and idols. Dietary laws would also fall into this category as unclean foods would make the eater spiritually unclean. (However many believe these guidelines to be nutritionally sound today and that it is wise to still follow them even if foods like pork and shellfish are no longer forbidden.) Other laws were moral, such as those regarding theft, rape, murder and lying as these are in contradiction with God’s character which doesn’t change – which is the reason they still apply today. Slavery was permitted as an alternative to killing the nations they encountered, which was the default as God knew Israel would be unduly influenced by surrounding cultures and drawn into idolatry (but that’s another discussion). Also it was temporary, not for life, as slaves were to be freed in the years of jubilee.

            So why do we no longer follow many of the OT laws? It’s a valid question. Again, some were fulfilled in Christ and no longer apply. The eating of pork being ok is easy as God declared all foods to be clean in the vision He gave to Peter – plus Jesus said that what comes out of the body is what makes him unclean, not what goes in. As for laws against wearing blended fabric and the like, I suppose we no longer follow these because Jesus changed our focus from the external to the internal. A major problem with the OT law was that the people paid lip-service to it by following the letter but missing or ignoring the spirit, the intent. Jesus actually raised the bar by pointing out many of the “hidden” sins that the OT law did not directly address. Wearing a tunic made of 100% linen is easy; avoiding the idolatry of placing other things above God, that’s hard. But OT standards regarding protection for the innocent, what we do with our physical bodies and to the bodies of others, honoring our parents, choosing the right person as a lifelong mate and remaining faithful to our spouses (and not just physically) – these are still very important as they reflect the character of God and His relationship with His people, the Church.

            There are still disagreements on application, such as using the OT law against inter-marriage as a reason that blacks and whites today shouldn’t marry (and I disagree with this as the OT law was about faith, not color). And some have strong convictions about drinking alcohol or watching R-rated movies. But the other major reason most Christians now disregard so many OT laws is that if certain behaviors were still sins, the Holy Spirit would have convicted us of these and told us to repent. That is a major part of His job as under the New Covenant God’s law is internal rather than external. But even if a still-valid OT law were inadvertently broken by myself or any other Christian, we wouldn’t have to worry about going to hell because Christ’s death has atoned for this. That was the whole point of Jesus coming and dying for us. This is a dangerous concept as it appears to be a license to sin, but it’s actually freedom to do good where we could not before. God isn’t finished with me yet and I’m sure He’ll continue to refine me as He’s promised, peeling back the layers and showing me new areas where I need to allow Him to change me. Maybe someday He will tell me I need a wardrobe overhaul after all…and if so I’ll go shopping :).



        • SJ on September 4, 2020 at 4:05 pm

          On the subject of those hidden sins, I do sincerely hope that if you believe that everything in the old testament is literal, you follow every single one of those. As you said, you have to call out the lie of popular culture. So I would be genuinely curious on your thoughts of slavery, or eating pork, or wearing blended fabrics

        • SJ on September 4, 2020 at 7:03 pm

          Terry, So you don’t find it odd that the line about blended fabrics was a metaphor for purification by only being near likeminded folks, but not the one about homosexuals, or women, etc. Seems a bit arbitrary to me. Seems also like a very convenient way to absolve yourself of homophobia or anti-Semitism, or pick your poison of bigotry really.
          While I’m on the subject, all jokes aside, how do people who take all of this our old testament stuff literally feel about the fact that they may cause some people to abuse their kids, kick them out of their house, and encourage their children to commit suicide because they happen to be of a certain romantic proclivity?

          • Terri on September 5, 2020 at 2:47 am

            Abusive people don’t need a very old document to justify their abuse. They will abuse anyway and find other excuses for doing it if they feel inclined to offer excuses.
            However it is absolutely our responsibility as part of God’s church to fight against any wrongdoing done in His name & provide safeguards to protect church members from abuse.
            Old testament laws demonstrate by their exacting nature that salvation via rule following does not work because “man” cannot reach God’s perfect, holy, purely good state by his/ her own efforts. This was also the point of the laws, to show God’s holiness at a time of child sacrifice and shrine prostitutes & present an alternative. The people had been enslaved for a long time and adopted unhelpful ideas and practices that needed to change such as statue worship eg gold cattle idol. The Old Testament laws laid a foundation to God’s plans to send Jesus and work salvation through his own love and sacrifice for humanity. Very little in life is simple, literal and completely at a level that children would understand. Whilst Christ dying to save us is simple to understand as a concept the working out of that event and background to it spanned thousands of years. God is a detailed planner. It occurred to me that the food people shouldn’t eat like pork at that time may have been because of inadequate cooking methods or storage since intestinal worms can occur if pork isn’t cooked correctly. I don’t know enough about the cooking methods of that time period and setting .There are often layers of reasons why God brings about certain things and after following Him for 40 years one starts to get an idea of how he does things! However you read the Old Testament if what is said about God doesn’t match who Jesus was shown by his work on earth then since Jesus reveals the nature and heart of God if there is conflict with that image then clearly we have missed something and need to look again/ do further study. He is the plumb line by which we measure. Terry said a lot of good stuff.
            A lot of people think that the removal of religion goes a long way to solving the world’s ills. Soviet Russia kind of did that and it wasn’t any better. The problem is that man by nature isn’t wholly good and some less than others. Bless those who have lovely ideals and a nice upbringing/ kind nature but as a teacher I can honestly say that education isn’t enough as some hope. We need more. I’ve found that Jesus is a hope that when invested in actually makes a real difference. I wouldn’t still be following Him if there wasn’t a positive impact in real life. He brings about the right kind of change if we let Him in.



          • Aaron Clausen on September 5, 2020 at 8:41 am

            The Old Testament has been giving cover for bigots for centuries. Jesus apparently gave a New Law, but pieces of the Old One can be brought up whenever an adherent wants if they want to justify, say, persecution of homosexuals.



          • Terry on September 5, 2020 at 10:28 pm

            SJ…It seems that we may have come to the core of your struggles with Christianity. I think when someone makes the gospel about one particular sin or issue, he/she misses the point – much like approaching a new diet not with the end goal in mind but by asking, “What am I still allowed to eat?” We could keep going in circles in our discussion but I will leave you with some final points to consider:

            – Accusations of cherry-picking for convenience, manipulation or to justify personal bigotry are not new and have already been addressed here and elsewhere. But if I wanted to stop growing spiritually and absolve myself of biblical standards that I find inconvenient then I’d probably discard most of them, namely that of forgiving people and thinking of others before myself. As a woman I would likely also ignore the standard of male leadership in the home and in the church. Applying commands like not wearing mixed fabrics literally while viewing those regarding deep-seated behavioral/emotional issues as “cultural” and applicable only to a particular time and place would be taking the easy way out, which was the problem for the people of Jesus’ day.

            – The New Testament letters discuss many of the same issues that were called out as sins in the OT; thus these are not merely outmoded, OT standards. In I Corinthians Paul lists fornicators and homosexuals along with thieves and drunkards as what some of his readers WERE – meaning that not only were these behaviors still unbecoming a follower of Christ but that change was (and IS) possible. Some contend that this was Paul’s personal opinion as to our knowledge Jesus didn’t talk about many of these things; but if He didn’t it was because He didn’t need to as His dealings on earth were with the Jews who already knew the OT law and His focus was more on legalism (adding man’s standards to OT law) and hypocrisy. The Gentiles to whom Paul wrote, as they came from Greek and Roman cultures in which free sex was rampant, needed to understand what the Jews already knew and how to live out their new lives in Christ.

            – I don’t know if the references to bigotry are directed at me personally or Christians in general, but I think I’ve already established that I can’t be a misogynist. Accusations of anti-Semitism are also non-sensical as I don’t know how the study of OT law would be such, or how any Christian could hate Jews who understands his own spiritual heritage and that Jesus was a Jew. As for homophobia I never could acknowledge this as a word as the etymology doesn’t make sense. If “homo” means “the same” in Greek and a “phobia” is a fear, then homophobia is…a fear of things that are the same, like matching socks? Identical twins? Sorry…but in any case it’s likely easier to make accusations of fear or bigotry rather than engage a body of theology on its own merits.

            – I do not presume to speak for all of Christendom or to account for all of the Church’s actions since its inception. I’m somewhat familiar with the accusation that the Church “causes” suicides by condemning homosexual relationships; but whatever the outcome of presenting the truth this is not (or should not be) the intent. How would encouraging suicide or pressuring parents to encourage this make sense? If the goal is to offer hope and freedom to confused young men and women, having them take their own lives would play right into the enemy’s hands. The Church cannot sugar-coat sin but it should nonetheless be coming alongside families to offer hope, understanding and reconciliation. Suffice it to say that suicide is never the answer, for a Christian or non-Christian.

            – Finally (and sorry for the long post), I also do not claim to have all of the answers in regard to scriptural interpretation/application. This was a struggle for the early Church as well (see the book of Acts), as new Christians had been told that following the OT law was no longer required but they still wanted to know how to live their lives to honor Christ. I do know that we are expected to apply our brains to the task of Bible study rather than take the monkey-see-monkey-do approach, as applying all of scripture literally would mean expecting to turn into eagles for “waiting upon the Lord,” preaching naked or perhaps hanging ourselves like Judas. In any case we cannot allow the uncertain to outweigh the certain; otherwise we could not believe in anything. And it’s not as though one has to have all of his ducks in a row before coming to Christ, any more than one would have to lose weight in order to prepare for a diet. If any one issue is a stumbling block, we can still trust Christ to change our perspectives. As I’ve tried to explain it’s about trusting a Person rather than a set of rules. Here however as it would seem that nothing short of concession would satisfy, I will suggest that you discuss your objections with the Author directly.



      • Sharon on September 4, 2020 at 3:45 pm

        SJ – Feel free to believe whatever you like -it is your choice. I think I understand what you are saying and I don’t talk about God much in public. I may mention at work that prayer can help when I give advice or hope in someone bigger or point to the heavens. We are supposed to spread the message, as that is the purpose of having been created -to serve God. However, most people aren’t interested and I rather try to live the life and not just talk about it or lecture people. Talk can be cheap..actions are better. I had a Christian start lecturing me -after I told her that I was already a Christian -preaching to the choir, as they say. Hopefully, most people mean well but some people don’t know how to act at a funeral in particular. We all ‘live by forgiveness’ and I am still learning that as well. A work in progress. (I agree with Terry).

        • SJ on September 4, 2020 at 3:55 pm

          I am glad that there is at least one person I I have spoken to on blogs like this who thinks this way, always nice to see, Sharon. My issue was not with folks like you, who keep to themselves and live and let live. I have no problem with anyone like that. However, my anger resides with people who take advantage of the vulnerable and preach hatred and bigotry, All the while claiming to have a moral high ground.

        • SJ on September 5, 2020 at 5:05 am

          Terry, If you unironically believe that secularism will result in places like the Soviet union, and not enlightenment centered nations based around a separation of church and state, you know… Like the one which happens to be the dominant superpower in the world… Then I think you’re sorely mistaken. Granted, we could talk about all of the great theocentric policies that you folk conveniently ignore. I would love to talk about that kind of stuff: Spanish Inquisition, the crusades, the atrocities of Frederick the second, the third Reich, the Salem witch trials; Please take your pick.

          And by the way, I literally cannot see how the interpretation versus imitation claim you made earlier isn’t the exact definition of a copout. It just seems like a group of people who realize that if we were to actually follow everything that Book says, you would be able to sell your daughter to the highest bidder and stone somebody for having two crops in the same field Justifying their belief by claiming that somethings are metaphors, like the clothing thing, but other things are not, like being Jewish. Either that, or folks like you were just trying to play Chamaeleon, and trying to sucker in your average Tom Dick or Harry into saying that what you believe isn’t all that bad. Granted a large member of our congregation has bigoted believes that cause suffering the world over, but “you can still eat pork, bro!”

          I also do you tip my hat to your artful dodging. If you think there is no possible way that the words preach by some of your representatives of your faith causes people to perhaps be hateful toward certain groups of people, like homosexuals and Jews, and anybody else who doesn’t fit your narrow definition of what is righteous, then I think you are lying or do not understand social conditioning. Unless you believe that all of those little kids in Nazi Germany were just born really not liking Jews, and it wasn’t the Catholic Church of Germany working with the third Reich to cause one of the greatest atrocities in mankind‘s history.

          The obfuscation is also great; I think if you’re just going to refer to parents harming or kicking their young children out of their house because they happen to be homosexual, and you’re going to brush that off as the community and a congregation calling out Sin and say that it’s their responsibility to do so, I don’t think you guys should be very surprised in the fact that favor and you guys is diminishing. Personally, I think A good chunk of you think that 14-year-old homosexual kid on the street deserves it, and another chunk of you probably Enjoy seeing it happen. It does take quite a bit of chutzpah to claim to be on the moral high ground, and also support and ideology that claims that HIV is God‘s punishment for homosexuals. And I do beg your pardon if I don’t like people who get some form of shadenfruede Whenever they hear that a gay kid was bullied into suicide by the congregation and feel justified in saying that he deserved it.

          • Deborah on September 24, 2020 at 8:02 pm

            SJ, I think you are a very SMART cookie who has experienced “christians” at their worst. There is a verse from Jesus Himself that says “let ye without sin cast the first stone.” I believe in Jesus but I am a poor example of being Christ like (which is what christian is supposed to mean). I dont love like Jesus does, I dont forgive like He does and I dont understand like He does, but I know down deep in my heart and mind that there is no other hope for me as a human than to lean on Him as my repairer, fixer, comforter. We fail, all humans fail, we hurt peoples feelings we abuse, we criticize, we judge.. yes YOU ARE RIGHT, that is not Christ like, but it is human. Dont follow or listen to a bunch of foolish arrogant people to see what Jesus was like and came for. I have had the same thoughts as you “How could this or that be ok or be law?” All I can tell you is that there were laws and rules put in place for the children of God and He has his reasons. It is btw His earth, His creation, His ways. The bible says “My ways are not your ways” for a reason. You are also right that people abide by those rules out of fear of punishment,, but we abide by a lot of our current laws for those same reasons. Science and God above go hand in hand. I have never witnessed a burning explosion that could create a living organism (such as the big bang theory), but to the contrary the explosion destroys all life. I have never seen or heard of science creating a living body, with so many different parts , eyes, ears, thought, smell, heart beat, uncontrolled breathing, etc, etc,,, so it puzzles me that science has an argument so vehemently against a divine creator. Loving each other is what most ALL living beings say their beliefs center around but we ALL fall short on being an example of that very thing.. Oh,, and about the funeral comment,,, most funerals are conducted by the wishes of the family of the person that passed. If that family desires a repentant sermon, that’s normally what the officiating does.. I hope that somewhere along the way you will have the chance to meet and visit with someone who expresses the TRUE love of Jesus. I am sorry that it has not happened yet. Keep a good thought… Shalom



    • Aish Tuli on September 9, 2020 at 7:45 am

      i love this comment

  5. idoctor on August 25, 2020 at 10:36 am

    My grandmother was a Christian, too. She followed Jesus and God in all her actions. I don’t know how to persuade her sometimes.

    • Kebunny on August 27, 2020 at 5:07 pm

      It’s pretty refreshing to read this because that’s been exactly my experience with Christians. I’ve never been able to make a Christian friend because they always keep me at arm’s length and refuse to talk about anything meaningful with me.

      I am the type who doesn’t care about another person’s faith, if I click with someone and I just click with them and I like to get to know them better. But every potential friend who was Christian just shut off when they find out that I’m a “heathen.” They practically treated me like a leper, or like some deadly disease after that point.

      I want to continue learning and growing, and I’m not going to stop for anyone…but I’m not gonna lie, it has hurt my feelings deeply everytime I’ve felt a connection with someone who happened to be Christian and they rejected me based on religious differences. I find that behavior to be highly immoral and cruel.

      I really hope that there are more open minded Christians like you out there. On the flip side, it can’t be a pleasant bubble to live in when you shut out so much of the world and the people in it.

      • vince on August 27, 2020 at 10:44 pm

        God loves us all…..ALL…no exceptions. We cannot be too b ad for him….so….give him a chance….read his word starting in John…give him a chance. We are all just people in this world but he loves us more than any person could. He can change you…..really change you. Just give him a chance….

      • Bobby G. on September 2, 2020 at 9:02 pm

        I understand you completely! I’ve been Christian for a little over 2 years now and I’ve seen Christians not taking the steps to get to know people for who they are. It confused me cause I’ve always been one to try and connect with people even before Christ and we’re to make ourselves Holy as Christ was Holy. When I read the Words of the Living God I see Jesus trying to show others a way of life that gives life meaning through His actions. Not everyone excepted who He was and He knew that. But you know what? He loved them anyways. To be honest with you I’ve come to the conclusion that I’d much rather talk with a non believer than a person that thinks they have the walk with Christ all figured out. I’ve experienced hate from both side since I’ve started following. The nonbelievers and the self righteous religious types and I do my best to try and Love them anyways cause Jesus Loved me first. I don’t want people believing we have to change who we are to believe that Christ died for our sins. People need to realize that Christ is the one who does the changing. We just have to be willing to listen and be obedient when God speaks to our hearts. Keep your head up and l pray you find the Grace God intends for you to have.

    • Sharon on September 3, 2020 at 4:33 am

      I grew up in a Christian home/became a born again Christian at a young age -it has kept me on the ‘straight and narrow’ all of my life. Jesus gives me hope when the world around me doesn’t offer any. I put my faith in God not in people. People, even Christians aren’t perfect and sometimes people let us down. I’ve let others down too. I hold fellow Christians to a higher standard, as I expect of myself -with God’s help because life can become too much to handle on our own. I don’t agree with any extremist groups, I think Trump is a joke and is tearing his country apart. Yes, they will know us by our love. Is there a heaven? Ask people who’ve had near death experiences. God says it and so it is true. Do I understand everything in the Bible?-heck no! I am not a Biblical scholar by any means. Just your average everyday Jane trying to get through life. Satan bothers us Christians on a daily basis – it is a constant battle but we are to ‘resist the devil and he will flee from us’. The devil is the god of confusion/doubt/lies. Jesus keeps His message simple for most of us to understand the basics. I find it amusing that Atheists spend so much time arguing their point against something they apparently don’t believe in -yet, seem so threatened by. Why argue against something you deem a fantasy? We have freedom of choice and we aren’t to ‘jam Christianity down your throats’ but we have a right to defend it -if challenged. I prefer to go through life believing in a perfect God..a personal God/Jesus who accepts me and all of my faults/failures. I can only put my faith in a perfect being who is above everyone and everything. Despite these modern times where change is constant -it is comforting to know that God is the same: yesterday, today and always. The Bible survived for over 2000 years – that is a miracle in and of itself ; considering you can’t even get 2 people to agree on anything! Proof? Jesus’s tomb was empty/He died on the cross/rose again – history has proven it!! Christians exist all over the world – all believing in the same message of hope and eternal life. He did exist and still does! You need proof that something we can’t see, exists? What about this virus?? We are saved by faith not by works. Then we choose to do the good works as a result of out faith. Until the world can offer me something better, I’ll choose God -every time!! (thanks for reading). I sincerely hope that you feel God’s love the next time you visit a church. We are all equal, according to God’s Word. We don’t ‘bite’ – I promise. Peace and love to all.

  6. @kilpatywagon on July 24, 2020 at 10:04 am

    I came here today because a christian on twitter said something that gets under my skin, “you reject god.” I searched “why do christians accuse us of rejecting god?” This article was the first result that didn’t look like a circle jerk, I was right. From a non believer’s perspective this was a fantastic article, I wish more believers would read it.
    The things that believers do pretty consistently that stick out in my mind are:
    1) Accusing us of intentionally rejecting their god. I stopped believing because I read the bible, it wasn’t a choice, and I don’t understand how it is a rejection. If I told you that I had a superhot girlfriend in another country you probably wouldn’t believe me, and with good reason. Does that mean you reject my gf? No, you just don’t believe she exists because I have provided no evidence that she does.
    2)People make up all sorts of reasons for why atheists don’t believe, but they never ask us. As previously stated, I experienced my apostasy because I read the Bible. Christians reject that explanation constantly, following up with questions like “who hurt you?” Sometimes the answer you give to the question they asked about you is ignored completely before we are told the “real ” answer.
    3)The last one is how we are completely mischaracterized and misunderstood. First off, atheist only means “someone who does not believe in any gods.” Somehow this is twisted into this science worshiping group of people who believe in nothing. Sure some atheists fit that bill, but that is not what being an atheist is.

    • Michael Neville on July 30, 2020 at 8:23 am

      It happens so rarely that I’m surprised when a Christian asks me why I discarded Christianity. Usually I get told that I hate God, that I was abused as a child, that I want to sin, that I worship any number of things [science, Darwin, myself, Satan] rather than God, or that I’m an atheist because that’s all the “cool kids” are. I can explain the reason for my atheism in one sentence and that reason has nothing to do with any of the accusations thrown at me by people who think they know my mind better than I do.

      Incidentally I’m an atheist because I don’t see any evidence for gods (note the plural, there’s more gods than the one Christians like).

      • Issac on August 12, 2020 at 8:31 pm

        I feel you completely on that. It’s pretty sad how un-godly a huge portion of Christians are. I don’t wanna speak wrong, but you said you discovered no evidence of God, which is fair. It really is a lot of believing and trusting, but some things that happen in life feel like they come from the man above. I wish you the best, and hopefully one day you decide to explore being a TRUE Christian and finding Christ, regardless of doubt. Much love to you.

      • Someone on September 3, 2020 at 3:02 pm

        “Incidentally I’m an atheist because I don’t see any evidence for gods” – Look within and discard everything that is clearly not God. Eventually, you will realize, HE is always with us. It is the mind that play trick on us that HE is not. Don’t need to read any religious books, just keep looking within. Have patience.

        • Monica on September 17, 2020 at 12:15 pm

          Love unites, fear divides. You will know a person who is walking in faith by their actions. Compassion, curiosity, humble listening, asking and seeking answers, not making claims that one god is a “true god” one political view is the “best” for humanity or one book or method is superior for connection to source. Humanity is fluid, truth is personal and relevant to our unique space in time.

          Divine love and light is real, beyond the needs and desires of the body there is a powerful source. Not man, not woman. Pure ego-less brilliance.

          I am a medium, I know that love exists beyond the body as I have had the great privilege of restoring faith to others (and to myself) in a source outside of themselves by sharing messages for them from their loved ones beyond the veil. Messages that are specific, affirming and undeniably from them. We all contain within us the ability to transcend the confines of human form.

          I encourage others to connect directly with divine source, the space that we come from and all return to when the body has finished it’s journey.

          You have a direct connection with source, an inner compass. Do not let any teacher, preacher or friend convince you otherwise. There is no fear in source, all fear that exists comes from the illusion of the body in it’s attempt to defend and protect itself. Status, greed, power, ego, superiority and even inferiority… the body’s attempt to claim that it is the only truth. The body is beautiful but only temporary, an illusion, as spiritual teachers like Jesus have shown us.

          When the body is at its weakest, when we are in our most vulnerable state, that is when our connection with source strengthens. Why our bodies grow older as we become wiser and being poor enhances our creativity. Source is the origin of every creative expression, not the body, nor the brain.

          You do not have to turn to a book to find every answer although you will likely find a message just for you by quietly listening and letting the book fall open. Spirit will send you signs and messages every day when you listen. We cannot judge and listen simultaneously, we are either in unlimited spirit space or limited ego/body space.

          A rainbow will always be a universal message of hope. A reminder that every frequency on this planet has merit and that when we harmonize with one another, that is when the symphony happens.

          If you want to feel connection with source, listen to the music. Whatever station resonates with you!

          Thank you all for the time and care to reach out to one another. Our dialogue becomes heightened as the urgency to remember our oneness has escalated. Even our technology has accelerated to remind us that there is no place that we can be that we are far from connection to one another.

          Beyond the denseness of our material form, we know the truth…. no body, no story, no language or action will keep us apart forever, we are one.

          ❤️ Monica

    • Leonardo Bozza on August 6, 2020 at 10:12 am

      Hey there,

      You make a good point regarding the girlfriend analogy, I never really looked at it through that perspective and it gave an interesting insight on how Christianity might look like on the outside.

      This would be a valid argument if the actions and God and your gf were the same. However, seeing as the actions of God and your girlfriend are completely different, this permise is faulty. It stems from misunderstanding of God’s actions/attitude toward unbelievers. Let me explain. Does ur gf constantly reach out to these people to try and reach out to them? Does ur gf actively make and provide proof to these people to prove she exists? Does she send people who have met her, to meet these unbelieving friends, as witnesses that she exists? Does she tell all people who meet her to try and represent her the best possible, and not give up if they’re ignored? I don’t think she would, and I wouldn’t blame your gf for not giving a toss about whether people think she exists or not. But God does care. In fact, He has the deepest care, bc unlike ur gf He cares deeply for these people, even if they refuse to believe Him and might reject Him. So much so that He sent His Only Son (who, being God, was perfect and sinless, 2 Cor 5:21) to take the punishment we’d deserve (Romans 3:25). Jesus took the punishment out of free will, so that we ourselves wouldn’t have to and could instead be saved from eternity in hell! (John 3:16) He did this also so that God could send His Spirit in people who receive Him (Christians), with the intention not just of being their ever-present help in their time of trouble, but also so that (having His Spirit in us) Christians could represent Him to the world (Acts 5:32). He reaches out to the world through true Christians (who are His Representatives, 2 Cor 5:20).

      Seeing as He cares so much, God does all these things that your gf would not (in fact, only God could muster enough love to go to such immeasurable lengths to save us). God does indeed constantly try to reach out to unbelievers. He specifically tells His Children not to give up, even if He might be rejected the first time (Galatians 6:9). God actually commands His children to do all the things your gf wouldn’t (i.e. the Great Comission, which was God commanding us to witness of Him to the rest of the world in Mathew 28:16-20).

      We can see God’s Persistence in trying to reach out to unbelievers in almost every book in the bible. God giving a chance for unbelievers to know Him (but mostly being rejected) is a prominent seam that runs throughout the whole bible. God’s eagerness to reach out to unbelievers is so profound that throughout Proverbs (a book in the bible) it is compared it to a “woman shouting in the streets, and crying out in public squares” (Proverbs 1:20). Certainly not a private and concealed voice for a select few, but for every single person to hear.

      This isn’t just true for the past, but it is true for today, and for all the future until His Second Coming (at that point, it will be too late to receive/seek Him, or until a person dies). Therefore, as Isiah 55:6-7 says “seek the Lord before it’s too late” and whilst He still makes Himself available, because many who rejected Him will (after seeing the warnings they’ve ignored were true, and how severe the consequences are, and that they’re eternal) call out to Him. However, He would’ve already given multiple attempts at “crying out” to them with His Warnings (yet every time they disdained it), and so at that point it will be too late.

      I know how much of a horrific Truth hell is, but God profoundly desires everyone to be saved from it (1 Timothy 2:4) – again, so much that He submitted Himself to that punishment so we wouldn’t have to, and God calls loudly to people without restraint (e.g. in the form of true Christians representing Him, online or offline).
      Through today’s message, God is trying to make Himself known to you, but are you going to accept His Call?

      The way to answer His Call would be to try and perk your ears and come closer, and the way to better hear Him would be to read the bible. God speaks to us through His Word (His Letter proclaiming the Good News* He wrote for us through His people). I used to be artheist/agnostic most of my life, feeling sorry for “brainwashed Christians”, but then I met Jesus myself through His Word. Again, God doesn’t expect us to blindly believe in Him through historical fact, but He actually wants to show Himself through His Spirit in you – that it might be an actual lived experience of Him, not just a dusty theology. Every true Christian enjoys the undeserved and highest privilege of having intimacy with God (it comes simply from recieving Him, that’s all).

      Again, God wants to do this, but He can’t do it if you just listen to one side (maybe “what your itchy ears want to hear”) and put a wall between you and Him. If as you say you are not one of those atheists that fits that bill, then you would give God a chance as well – at least seeking Him. I find it interesting that in response to what happened, you only looked at a website written by an atheist (an atheist’s explanation of why, whom doesn’t actually know God), and instead (at least from what you wrote) see why Jesus says that you do.

      It’s only fair that if you look at the arguments against Jesus, that you see what Jesus Himself has to say. Is it not biased to just listen to one side? To listen just to one side (the side against God), whilst ignoring God’s cries to you, is rejecting God. If God didn’t cry out to us, like the girlfriend in your analogy, then it wouldn’t be rejecting Him (it would just be a valid unbelief). However, this isn’t the case, because He cries out with a loud voice and the deepest affection, and so the only reason not to heed wouldn’t be that you didn’t hear (because the voice is loud), but because you didn’t want to hear. In the same way, most unbelievers don’t believe in God, not because there isn’t proof that God exists (and He is Jesus), but because they don’t want Him to exist. It’s usually a problem with the heart, not the brain/reason.

      I strongly suggest taking the time to start reading the bible, start with the enduring word commentary of Mark’s Gospel, and then John’s Gospel. Moreover, there’s lots of available that show the proof for Christianity. Yt channels I suggest are “Ravi Zaccharias”, “Cross Examined” and “Cold Case Christianity”. There are also some great books available, if you’re interested I can give you some recommendations. Moreover, having been an ex-atheist/agnostic, feel free to ask me ANY questions, I’d be more than glad to answer them🤓. My email is leonardobozza27@gmail.com

      These resources will help guide you to God, but the definitive faith/assurance is only revealed by God Himself through His Son (which will come from seeking Him). He promises that He will (not might) show Himself if you seek Him. I’ll end by leaving you with Jeremiah 29:13 and Mathew 7:7, which say that “if you seek God wholeheartedly and dilligently, He will open His Door to you and present Himself”.

      Apologies for the long message, but I hope I explained everything well. Feel free to reply if you have any counter arguments or questions 👍

      *Good News literally translates to the Gospel. Because that’s what it is! That God loved us so immensely that He took our penalty, so that we wouldn’t have to and could instead by saved. As you can see, God’s love isn’t just words or writings, but it is action (He doesn’t just say “I love you”, but He says it and then pays the debt we have against Him completely by laying His Own Life down). There is no greater act of love to lay your life down for another person, let alone a world of unbelievers who trespass against you, disdain you, ignore you and often hate you. He paid our price/punishment in full.

      • Jennifer on August 13, 2020 at 11:04 pm

        I think the above comment answers to “one of the reasons people don’t like christians”..
        The author of the original comment spoke very clearly, he has read the Bible, he doesn’t believe because he has seen no evidence to convince him.
        In my opinion, if you wanted to change his mind, THAT is what u should address yet you seemingly disregarded his rason and proceeded to cite and note scriptures ….
        From the Bible he has read
        Of which offered him no tangible, see able evidence when HE read It.
        Just because u demonstrated to the class how well you can memorize, it still offers the comment writer what he would need in order to believe. Some sort of evidence. Even a personal story about some miraculous godly intervention between you and death would have a better chance of convincing this man of the presence of God. Add to the list of annoying things Christians do.
        # 5 quote a scripture better than they live it
        Believe that by quoting the chapter and verse of a scripture to a nonbeliever it will make it more powerful or true. Knowing a scripture and living it are two very different things and if your life doesn’t reflect your words you are only making in Christians look like bigger assholes.

        • Bobby G. on September 4, 2020 at 3:40 pm

          What I’ve learned from being a Christ follower, it’s when each of us have an encounter with the Creator that helps give understanding to this meaningless life. The reason I believe is like the Prophet Habakkuk refers too, I’ve seen God move in my life. One morning I prayed for my mom’s eyes to be opened after not seeing them for 3 months and by lunch time the same day I get a call telling me her eyes were starting to open. I’ve seen God defend me against the ones that have looked to get me in trouble and my God turned it on them. I don’t memorize scripture but I hold them in my heart. I refer back to them when I’m in a situation with people where I need guidance on how to respond. There are so many self righteous Christians that it makes me sick. They throw scripture at me as well, on how I’m suppose to behave when they know nothing about how I act. They nit pick words that people say and try to ridicule you and beat you down with scripture. Our job as Christians isn’t to defend scripture but present it to people in a loving fashion through our actions. In scripture we never read that Jesus brought condemnation on people who don’t believe, He brought a path for people to experience the Living God in there lives. I’ve experienced it though, from so called Christians. They are the ones that also get offended when a non believer puts god and damn together. We aren’t to be offended, it’s written in Bible where wisdom is found. I honestly believe that non believers are looking for a answer to this meaningless life and what they are looking for is found through Christ. I don’t think non believers would have read this article if they weren’t looking for some kinda answer. Jesus Christ is the key though and it’s what I’ll always refer back too. Following Christ is one of the hardest things that I’ve ever done in my life. Excepting what Christ has done for each of us can be easy if you believe it in your heart but walking that path isn’t easy. My life is a constant war but I endure it cause I know there are benefits to having a relationship with Christ and it’s not a religion. Just my experience so far. I pray you all experience God as I have.

      • Stephen Davies on August 27, 2020 at 10:01 am

        I don’t accept what was written 2000 years ago as proof of anything.. particularly when your god (lower case deliberate.. bite me) is apparently omnipotent and all-knowing. Why the trickery? Why the disingenuousness? If he/she/it is there, reveal yourself. If my wife asks me why I don’t cook a meal for the family, I don’t reply that I cooked an amazing meal last year.

        Also, let’s talk about benevolence. Your god is NOT benevolent. He is capricious, moody, grumpy and a bit of an arse. If he is all-seeing and all-knowing, and forgiving, why do I have to worship him? Why do I have to sing at him? If he is so fantastic, why do I have to keep telling him? That is SOME ego, eh? If prayers don’t work, as you tell us, then why do we pray? If all is pre-ordained, why would prayer change anything? If free will has made us sinners, then why not take it away?

        Your god is an egotistical, power-mad idiot, quite frankly. If it does exist, then why isn’t it honest? Why doesn’t it put it’s all-knowing head above the parapet and say “I am in charge, peasants.. I will punish you if you misbehave.. if you don’t believe in me, you are going to hell”. Trust me,that would work.

        The convenience of having to have faith is ridiculous. It is an absolutely childish, pathetic metaphor for our fears about dying. “There is something better to come”…. what if there isn’t?

        Finally, morality isn’t linked, ain’t even CLOSE to christianity. The people I most admire, the most benevolent, the most generous, the most giving don’t believe in a capricious being. To suggest otherwise is disgusting. If some christians need their religion to behave, then that is their problem, not mine. I can behave without a framework of nonsense from an imaginary creature.

        Live your lives. Enjoy them. Be tolerant. Be straight. Be gay. Be anything you like.. but be loving. If I am going to hell for that, then fine by me. I refuse, absolutely point blank, to be in fear of a moronic judgemental deity who won’t make their wants and desires clear. I wouldn’t tolerate a manager or an employee like that, I am not tolerating a god like that.

        Religion is a human construct, and in a few years, hopefully soon, we will grow up as a species and look back in absolute stitches of laughter at how stupid we were.

        Laters, potaters.

        • vince on August 27, 2020 at 10:40 pm

          Sorry you completely missed God and why he came to us in the beginning. he made it very clear what we are to do if we want anything at all to do with him. he made it very very simple. You should take some time to read what he left us the Bible….and seriously try to see what he is and was before you judge. To throw it all away because you do not take the time to look is not the best plan. You owe it to yourself to give it a look. Life is short but eternity is forever. Do not throw it away……

  7. Nieuwenhuis on July 17, 2020 at 4:51 pm

    As a non believer (ex christian), my list would probably be slightly different. I think the number one thing I dislike about most Christians I talk with is the fact that they will again and again admit to me that they wouldn’t want to know if they were wrong about their belief.

    To me this signifies a complete lack of integrity, the worldview you hold has an enormous impact on how you live your life. How can people not care about the validity of it or even parts of it?

    If they send me something to read or watch, I’m more than happy to invest the time and often I’ll even ask for more information, honestly. This doesn’t happen the other way around (I wouldn’t even send stuff unasked, so this is more about the replies.). The average Christian doesn’t want to know things, they just want to belief. Maybe that could be fine, it is your own life after all, but not after you send someone else stuff to pursuade them to (re)join.

    • Terri on July 17, 2020 at 5:58 pm

      Hi. I’m a Christian and I agree that that many ordinary people in populations across the world are
      people who find it hard to study. Some by nature find reading a chore. Some of those people will be Christian. I think you have a point regarding integrity and validity. Whilst all parts of the body vary in their skill sets and what they have to offer a solid foundation to our faith is wise. Jesus knew scriptures even as a boy discussing with adults in the temple. If he is to be the pattern for our lives I agree that this should include study & developing understanding. In all honesty if any of my thoughts or beliefs were erroneous I would shift my thinking. I have learned and developed as a Christian over the years and am always willing to refine my thinking. I am a Christian who considers that validity and the truth/ reality of life is of far greater importance than belief. If faith is not put in fact how can it bear fruit? To put ones faith in lies or a delusion would be sad indeed. I’m sorry you were so discouraged & disillusioned by those you met. We are a poor reflection of Christ indeed. But we can learn and He never gives up on us.

    • Fred Doughty on July 22, 2020 at 12:20 pm

      If I told you that I would be willing to Know If I am wrong About my christian faith, than the faith that I hold as the only true way to God would be a lie. On the other hand I have had many discussions with the unsaved through the years about why they believe that my belief in God is wrong. It has never upset me when someone had another point of view . I have always been honest and open to those conversations. I would respect anyones view as long as they give me time to speek. You said that you used to be a christian? That could mean many things. Some people think that because their parents were believers than they must be one too.Others believe that they are one because they go to church and support it with their time and offerings. Their are even others who never pick up their bibles. All their knowledge comes from listening to their pastors speak once a weak, anything else they know comes from paper backs and the words of people who are in fact false teachers. You say that you were a believer. What did you actually believe? Head knowledge is only something that you go along with just because your parents and friends tell you that its right. Even though you may be able to quote verses or tell some bible stories that by no means makes you a true believer, but it would make you a hipocrite. That kind of believer feels lost,lonely and frustrated ,and why,because they have not truly given their life to the only one who can make it all make sense. These kind of people know that they are not legitament children of God, so if they are not one ,than everybody else must be lieing too. This type will spend most of their lives trying to prove to christians that they are wrong and he is right. None of what he does is done out of love,to help the person. It is only done to make that person feel vindicated because anger and pain has been crippling them for years. I have know Idea where you were, when you proffessed to be a christian or what you went through, but I am 100% possitive about this and why am I so possitive. Because I am one of those true believers who can not be shaken! I am 65 now and I have been a believer for 54 of them. I know that you can not read my emotion from these words but believe me I feel know anger, but only feel Christs love for you. Jesus has imparted on me this love, you see He was willing to die for you while you were still a sinner, and that same love reaches out to you even now. He bore the nails that you and I rightfully deserve. Being God only he could be your perfect sacrifice. What ever you learned about God in the past Ibeg you to check out the bible again! Not because mom dad or friends want you to and they tell you they’re right but do it because there may actually be a holy God calling out to you. Let me leave you with with words that may help you grapple with why someone like me could truly believe in a God so much that he gave his life to his service. Romans 6:12-20 John 1:1-13 John 3:16-21 May God bless you with the truth of His Word.

      • Michael Neville on July 30, 2020 at 8:52 am

        Hark, I heard the sound of bagpipes playing in the background when I read Fred Doughty’s explanation as to why Nieuwenhuis couldn’t have been a “real” Christian. The most famous atheist that nobody had ever heard of, Antony Flew (no I did not misspell his first name), was a philosopher who devised the No True Scotsman logical fallacy. The exemplar is:

        No True Scotsman puts sugar in his porridge. Angus McTavish puts sugar in his porridge. Therefore Angus McTavish is No True Scotsman.

        Denouncing an ex-Christian’s “lack of real Christianity” is exactly the type of judgemental criticism that Carey talked about in Section 1 of the OP. Someone who knows me from a comment or two made on a blog has no idea about how fervently I believed when I was a believer.

        I’m not responding to the rest of Fred’s post because it’s the bog-standard “come to Jesus” sermon that Christians have thrown at me for years once they learn of my atheism.

    • Roger on July 24, 2020 at 4:33 pm

      People are annoyed by Christians about the things they are told to be annoyed about. They are told be tolerant of everyone except Christians because “everyone knows that Christians are intolerant”. So everyone picks on Christians for things that are not actually true because people listen to nonsense like this and lump all Christians into the same profiling catagory. Rediculous! There are billions of Christians around the world in every walk of life. They have different cultural norms as a consequence. All this article does is provide a gripe list for non-Christians. If you wrote this same list about anyone except Christians you would be called a racist profiler. But your talking about Christians so it is OK. What hypocracy!

      • Michael Neville on July 30, 2020 at 9:02 am

        Billions of Christians, in fact the majority of Christians that I know, don’t proselytize non-Christians. However there’s always one or two who think that I’ve never heard of Jesus and so they have to tell me about him. I worked with one evangelical Christian who wouldn’t leave me alone. She had to tell me all about Jesus. Let’s ignore the facts that I knew the Bible much better than she did, I was familiar with more flavors of Christianity than she was, that I could not possibly become a creationist no matter how many criticisms she made about a subject she didn’t understand, and I had examined the product she was trying to sell and found it did not meet my wants or needs. She had to tell me about Jesus.

        Sorry but there are people who match exactly the profile given in the OP. That you don’t like it only means that you don’t like it. Sorry, that’s how the real world is.

    • vince on July 24, 2020 at 7:57 pm

      Well, I think it is way too important to take casually. You are talking about eternity, eternal life. The Bible is what we were left with to tell the story and it is for us to believe or not. If you are serious you have to read it and take all of it in context in which it was written. So much in there, miracles, prophecies, promises, eye witness accounts, on and on. If you ignore it you are making the biggest mistake in your short short life. At least read it to decide for yourself ….you owe yourself that much. If you do not believe it after that, then at least you tried, gave it a chance. But to never look in to it is ignorance, but you have made your choice in doing so. If what is contained in that book is true, it is the greatest news any Human could ever receive…please give it a serious look before dismissing it. So many reasons to believe it…so many….

      • Michael Neville on August 1, 2020 at 7:32 pm

        Reading the Bible was a major step on my road to atheism. I discovered that God was described as a sadistic, narcissistic bully with the emotional maturity of a spoiled six year old. He killed people just because he could. He ordered genocide and sexual slavery. He condoned rape and chattel slavery. Even if someone could provide reasonable evidence for this god’s existence there’s no way I could worship that sociopath.

        • TerriM on August 2, 2020 at 6:39 pm

          Im sorry you didnt read it in historical. cultural, literary context and clearly not with a commentary to help you. Otherwise you would have made a more constructive critical comment. There was a lot of wickedness in many early religious beliefs including shrine prostitutes and sacrificing children. Life was more brutal in OT times. We cannot look at it all without context and expect to understand. There is so much you have missed I can’t even begin to cover a tenth of it. Jesus honoured women who were considered second class citizens at that time. He valued children whom as I previously stated were sacrifices or in Roman times thrown out if not wanted. Jesus welcomed them, valued them and even said they had aspects to be emulated in order to get to Heaven. In the OT Nineveh is a story of mercy, Joseph is a story about forgiveness and Gods provision for his people, Ruth is a story about Gods provision for a fresh start for someone who had lost everything and Moses is a story about God saving his people from slavery after they’d overstayed their welcome in Egypt as guests in Josephs time because of the famine. Later Pharaohs felt threatened by their population growth& enslaved them. God was never pro slavery but if a slave became a Christian in the NT the idea was that he should be such a great Christian in that role that it impacts his owner. An owner who became a Christian might be more predisposed to freeing the slave! Christians did play a part in the much later abolitionist movement, are considered to have helped undermine the Roman Empire and its cruel practices which btw took many slaves. Nowhere in the Bible has slavery been recommended by God. And there is so much more. I will leave it to others to add to the list. All the OT miracles, healings, food provision in famine, Gods mercy and kindness is in both Testaments. Yes God has arguably the authority over life and death and the right to judge as the only pure and righteous being. Could you be viewing the depravity and cruelty of past peoples through 21 st century eyes. not realising the extent of some of it and failing to see that the response was righteous anger. God very upset at what they were doing and judging/ punishing justly in a measure equal to what they had done wrong. Mercy is a higher law than justice but they must both be present for God is both. People tend to prefer mercy understandably! Your anger with God based on what you think you understand is not that dissimilar to Gods anger with them. Please read and research actual biblical teaching/ commentary before being so quick to condemn. A little information gives a distorted view!

  8. Bert Jean on July 5, 2020 at 2:58 pm

    Carey,

    As the minority non-christian on your comment thread here, I would like to say thank you for this article. Know that I respect your faith and the words of your religion.

    Unfortunately, I am saddened after reading many of the reviews left here on how many believe you are wrong and they are right regarding judgment. My father, who was a Methodist minister that helped break down the segregation of the churches during the civil rights movement once told me “People do not seek a savior, they seek a divine referee to come strike people down who don’t think, look, or act like them”. I should say, strike people down like me, because we are clearly immoral due to not being a Christian.

    If I may elaborate. I am a Buddhist. I seek to understand the way. I seek enlightenment, in this life and the next. Yet all I see in the comments is scorn for this belief and many others. I see scorn for differing opinions inside your own belief system.

    For these of you that espouse such belief, know that I would be your friend but when you look at me as either prey for conversion or fodder for the flames of hell, this is a notable barrier to friendship.

    Peace comes from within, regardless of what god you worship. Stillness and grace are not the domain of Christ’s chosen but the providence of all.

    Carey, I respect your efforts in trying to grow us together, I know it is an almost impossible task when faced with how easy it is to tear us apart. I wish you luck my friend whom I have not met.

  9. Aileen Rodriguez on July 2, 2020 at 12:22 am

    I think this is the best post, where we get know the reviews of so many people about Christians and The Jesus. I really love this post and thanks for sharing.

  10. Chris on June 27, 2020 at 12:35 pm

    Disclaimer: Christians believe wildly different things depending on who, and sometimes when, you ask (not a reassuring trait in people who are asking you to take those beliefs on faith). So, forgive a bit of generalizing. If you don’t believe in the particular doctrines I’m talking about, good for you. I’m not talking about you. Also, many of my problems with Christianity are mitigated by the integrity of individual Christians. I know plenty of Christians who quietly ignore the parts of their faith they find morally dubious, and I think their better people for it.

    All that being said, I think most people who dislike Christians are picking up on how deeply undermined their sense of right and wrong are. When all humans fall infinitely short of God’s perfection, all sins become equal. Calling out sick to go to a rock concert and committing genocide are equally deserving of hellfire. The ONLY truly important question is “Have you accepted Jesus?” To an outsider, that looks an awful lot like a moral double standard. Priests and preachers who molest children are just fallen humans who need to be washed in the blood of the lamb (the repeated invocation of violent imagery of blood and crucifixion also doesn’t look good to outsiders, by the way), while two men who love each other are deserving of an eternity of flesh searing agony. It looks an awful lot like Christians are just disdainful of outsiders.

    Also, when the stakes are so absurdly high, and the fate of the eternal souls of everyone on the planet are on the line, it makes for bad neighbors. After all, if you could convert me to Christianity and save me from eternal horror, is there anything you could do that wouldn’t be, on balance, justified? Every non-christian in the United States has had at least one interaction with a believer who was a jerk, not because he’s human and sometimes humans are jerks, but because he was scared for the state of your soul and believed that any rudeness or cruelty on his party would be joyously forgiven if he could just get you into heaven. I think most of us are at least subconsciously worried at how far Christians would go if the law/basic human decency didn’t compel you to ignore your beliefs and respect our rights to believe differently than you.

    I’ll end on an anecdote. My niece came home from school one day, crying because the other children told her she was going to hell. We tried to reassure her, and hoped it would stop, but, once they realized she wasn’t a Christian, the other children treated her terribly, alternately preaching to her and condemning her and her family. When my sister talked to the other parents, they seemed mostly concerned that my niece would be driven away from Jesus by all the bullying, and invited us to join them at their church. Now, I understand that half of the Christians reading this will be appalled at that, and I applaud you for your compassion, but I’d rather that you had a moment of introspection as to why the other half of the Christians reading this, people who most likely go to the same church as you, think that what was being done to my niece was a kindness. Like I said, this kind of stuff makes you VERY hard to coexist with.

  11. Nina on June 7, 2020 at 11:56 pm

    I don’t hate Jesus, but i hate some ‘Christians’.
    I’m married to a christian man for 7 years now. His parents pushed me into clinical depression. My husband is a very obedient child. His parents are very controlling and possessive. They controlled me through their son. They have changed me into something else that i don’t even recognize. Everyday i’m going through emotional abuse either from my husband or his parents. They are hypocrites. So i would say, i hate my christian parent in laws.

    • Terry on June 8, 2020 at 4:46 am

      Nina, I’m so sorry that this has happened to you. I couldn’t say if your in-laws are true Christians or only claim to be, but it does not appear that they represent Jesus very well. I also don’t pretend to understand your situation, but I hope you have the opportunity (and courage) for some productive conversations with your husband (who should be his own man by now, not his parents’ little boy, and thus prioritize his marriage over all else) and maybe some counseling. I also hope you have a friend and ally who could help you through this. Hugs and best wishes.

    • Sarah on June 14, 2020 at 7:01 am

      Where are your scriptures to back Up what your saying? You do not have the answers and need to go to the Word in its full context. YOU are not going to save anyone. Only Jesus Christ has the power and authority. I’m sorry your so misguided and misleading others. Truth is truth and you do not know it; you are tickling the ears of your followers.

      • Jack on June 21, 2020 at 11:27 am

        Sarah, that is a prime example of what Carey is talking about.

      • Heidi on June 27, 2020 at 2:11 pm

        Sarah, you are ill educated in every area you attempted to “splain”
        For the love of God it is you’re not your. That is only one I care enough about to splain back.

    • Heidi B on June 27, 2020 at 2:08 pm

      I am so sorry. I totally get it. My Husband of almost a decade is about to become single again due to his “christian’ bullshit. He is host unto himself . He has cherry picked the Bible to perfection. He fools no one but himself. He is ridged , controlling and I woke up a few months ago with him having sex with me. I knew it was over at that moment.

      • Racheal / Christian on July 4, 2020 at 12:59 am

        Look Nina,

        Christians just do whats best in life their selves .
        They have a will in there life that they follow,
        and most people don´t like there will, but were sorry its what God tells us to do.
        And if you wanna know why Christians act like this search up,
        ´´whats Christian are supposed to follow ´´
        it will help you know why maybe you husband acts the way he does!!!

      • Terri on July 4, 2020 at 2:18 am

        Heidi I’m really sorry that your husband has failed to understand and love you as a Christian husband should with respect & considering your needs above his own. He sounds like he actually needs help. I am not surprised you are getting out of what is a destructive situation for you. I think Nina has unfortunately misunderstood you. No one should pick the bits they like from the Bible as Christianity requires a whole hearted commitment to real love. It’s not about fear, distance or control and if you look at how lovely a person Jesus is ( who demonstrates the heart and nature of Father God) then you will realise that this relationship is not His best for you & that He is filled with tender compassion toward you.God certainly doesn’t go around telling men to be disrespectful and controlling. He said a husband should love his wife as Christ loved the church.Jesus served people. He walked his disciples miles just to go and help the widow of Nain who was on the edge of destitution. He cares about each of our lives. Christians are to behave like Christ.A tall order but increasingly possible as we spend time in prayer, learning how to do it from the Bible and as we support each other. That should be the desire of every Christian, to be like Him.I hope that everyone who reads your comments will not judge or misconstrue but remember you with compassion in prayer. It’s a challenging time for you and I wish you well.

        • vince on July 4, 2020 at 10:33 am

          “By their fruits you will know them”….the Bible says. Christians are called to live the Christian life as well as tell others about it. Living it is the “fruits” Not all who claim to be Christian are, but as the Bible says….”By their fruits you will know them”……there is no room for games in the Christian life. Honesty, truth, trust all have to be up front…always….

    • Tammy Marx on July 16, 2020 at 1:18 pm

      Modem American Christianity is complicated. The Bible promises us it will be. Aiming for the cross on the daily has never been more complicated as we are a society of self. I love Jesus but don’t support Trump, am divorced and just don’t buy in to the common Christian narrative. I avoid church, Christian friendships and other Christians in general. I don’t see Jesus in the modern Christian. I see hate, meanness, GO BACK TO MEXICO, ALL LIVES MATTER and a bunch of other crap that doesn’t look smell or feel like Jesus at all.

      • vince on July 21, 2020 at 1:34 am

        Well, it is a messed up world with a perfect God. People will never be perfect in this life….never. Jesus came to us to show us the way. It may not be easy, but if we believe and follow him, we will learn and grow in to the people he wants us to be. “Seek and you shall find”….key words here are SEEK. Many are not seeking him so they will miss out in a huge way. “Shall find”….not maybe find….shall find him if you seek. It is a promise. People are broken and need a loving God. Never look to people for spiritual answers…but to God and his word. It is our only hope for peace and happiness in this world….God gives us our gifts, talents, abilities….but it amounts to nothing that really lasts without him. Life is empty without God and we need him now more than ever…..

        • Pamela on July 23, 2020 at 1:30 pm

          Jesus is the way the truth and the life…..unfortunately, people do not want to follow God’s word because it interferes with their “earthly” entertainment and debauched way of life, so aad.

      • Terry on July 31, 2020 at 8:10 am

        Tammy…consider the rag-tag bunch that Jesus chose to be His disciples – some fishermen, a rich tax-collector, an anti-Rome political zealot, a fretful doubter, and even a greedy liar who would betray Him. Modern Christians aren’t much different but we are still called to gather together, to support and pray for one another, and even sharpen each other as iron sharpens iron. I fear you may be doing yourself a disservice in avoiding other Christians, as none of us is an island and you have things to teach them, and they you. I don’t relate to other Christians most of the time either, mainly because their lives are so different as they revolve around kids and soccer practice and other things I don’t identify with. I’ve also had conflicts with some, based upon basic personality differences. But as Jesus said we are all part of one Body, and I could no more discard them as useless than they could dismiss me.

        We also need to guard against assumptions about what Jesus would think or say about a given topic based upon modern sensibilities. Consider that many of Jesus’ followers turned against Him because He didn’t kick the Romans to the curb and set up a Jewish utopia as they expected. Likewise, many non-Christians and even some Christians assume that Jesus would agree with us on immigration, health care, military conflict or whatever the hot-button topic of the day may be. But if we examine His actual words and actions, especially within the full context of scripture, we may find that we need to adjust our perspectives. God doesn’t require that we all agree on everything, just that we love each other; and when iron sharpens iron, sparks will fly.

  12. Tim on May 20, 2020 at 8:43 am

    You misuse the first two concepts. The last is your opinion.

    1. We are in fact called to judge. What we aren’t called to do is condemn eternally. There’s nothing wrong with calling a sin a sin committed by the saved or unsaved. The lost whining about preachers judging them are trying to deflect from their wickedness and make you waiver in your beliefs. This is how we have ended up with a lot of weak seeker sensitive churches. Ghandi’s opinion doesn’t matter. Unless he accepted Christ as his savior right before his assassination, he’s spending eternity in hell.

    2. A hypocrite (in this context) is someone who says they’re not a sinner but commits a sin. If you don’t proclaim to be perfect, and then sin, you’re merely human.

    Please learn to understand what you’re writing about before bashing the Christian faith.

    • Vivian on May 22, 2020 at 3:44 am

      @Tim, it seems you contradicted yourself in your first point. You mentioned that we aren’t allowed to condemn eternally, but you just condemned Ghandi to hell in the same sentence. Only God can condemn, as Christians we are called to love one another. If you are to judge, judge for the purposes of building up someone’s faith not to tear it down.

    • Captain Cassidy on June 16, 2020 at 5:10 pm

      Actually, Jesus said not to judge others. He directly commanded you not to judge “lest ye be judged.” He commanded you to LOVE. He also commanded you to spend your life helping the poor, comforting the bereaved and imprisoned, clothing and feed the poor, and literally turning the other cheek and giving twice what’s demanded to all who would do you wrong. And he also commanded you to look to your own sins, rather than worrying about the sins of others.

      You can’t love someone and try to exert control over them too. Control is not love. It’s the opposite.

      It always amuses me to see how far control-hungry authoritarians will go to excuse their wicked desires to control others. They’ll ignore all the boring stuff Jesus told them directly to do, then twist stuff to give themselves permission to act like little tin-pot dictators and mini-Jesuses. If Jesus tells someone to go and sin no more, that’s HIM. You are not Jesus, last I checked. You’re just a follower. Therefore, you’re under the boring commands he gave — and the warning that if you disobey, he’ll apply to you the cruelty you exact from others.

      Nobody gets controlled, chided, judged, and thumped into Christianity. In fact, control, as a tactic, only works on authoritarians like yourself. It’ll drive away far more people than it lures in.

      And that’s fine by me. The more ex-Christians there are, the easier it is to spot the cruel hypocrites lurking within the religion. You’ll drive off all the decent, compassionate people in your tribe, and all you’ll have left is a tiny “remnant” of howling beasts beating their chests raw with bloody fists and shrieking into the void to each other.

      It’s already happening.

      You can’t stop it…

      But you CAN accelerate it.

      • Mike on June 17, 2020 at 9:52 pm

        “You’ll drive off all the decent, compassionate people in your tribe, and all you’ll have left is a tiny “remnant” of howling beasts beating their chests raw with bloody fists and shrieking into the void to each other. ”

        Sounds like the 21st-century Republican Party….

        • Oyelami Adejoke Olubusayo on July 1, 2020 at 7:38 am

          Yes I agree with you my friend

        • vince on July 1, 2020 at 9:21 am

          Jesus never involved himself in politics…was not his mission. His mission was to tell the good news regarding himself /God/Holy Spirit….a spiritual mission to save people from themselves. Show a better way. People are political, not God…..

      • stop on September 21, 2020 at 6:21 pm

        Actually Jesus said to judge righteous judgment😐. So.

    • Jean on July 20, 2020 at 8:03 pm

      You’ve got it all wrong, brother. Condemnation, hatred, judgement ( not yours to have btw) and fear do not lead to love much less opening someone’s mind to Christ.

  13. John on May 12, 2020 at 7:36 am

    The core message of the Christian faith is – Christ is perfect but Christians are not, that’s why Christian need Christ.
    While I do apologise on behalf of the Congregation that we can be judgmental, we can preach a certain thing but we fail to achieve it, we can be stinking at friendship but if I were to flip the arguments, for you to know that I am judgmental, aren’t you judgmental yourself? And can you say that there is not a point in your life where you express a certain ideal but you failed to achieve it? (e.g. like you ask people not to be judgmental but you are judging Christians) and when was the last time you hung out with the priest.

    I’m not here for a fight, but what you did is, you have rightly pointed out Christians suck, why? because Jesus said – Only the sick needs the doctor. Christians are sick people and the Church is a Hospital and who’s the Doctor? Not the priest or the pastor, they are just mere shepherds, the Doctor is Jesus. Come on guys, we all fall short of that perfect standard and if there is perfect Justice, it will only be fair that every sin must be punished, that include what the Christians commit and what you commit.

    We are all sinners and we all suck and sick and need help, we all need Jesus.

    • Terry on May 12, 2020 at 8:22 am

      John…Amen.

    • Jan on May 19, 2020 at 10:49 pm

      Christians get stuck on an issue. Abortion or homosexuality or pornography to name a few and then they see little else. They feel like they have to save everyone from those poisons and their Christian friends with far greater problems get a pass, while they say liberals (as they label them) are going to hell for suggesting that people have a right to decide for themselves what they must do/be. People want to be heard. Give others a chance to say how they feel and why, and the courtesy of you really listening before reacting. Christians tend to shut people down and turn a blind ear to them just on one issue or opinion. Shameful.

      • Terri on May 20, 2020 at 2:34 am

        I agree that many Christians’ skill set doesn’t include good listening & while it may not be their strength it could be improved. Some Christians are extraordinarily good at it and many of those become caring counsellors. Unfortunately I think Christianity has in some areas of some countries been embraced by subcultural groups that have put their own slant on it & it has become warped in expression. It’s very sad because distorted expressions of Christianity can separate people from the incredible joy of seeing Jesus and getting to know him. I am a Christian. I am also as an individual more inclined to left wing parties than right, passionate about the Environment & being responsible for its care, love to see creative individuals expressing their individuality quietly in their dress for example, am fascinated by the natural world and the science of it. Jesus sat with, listened to and spoke with many people who had had colourful lives and were not accepted by the religious figures of that time and place. Looking at Jesus through the lives of the church will always give a distorted view whether it’s just a little or a lot because we aren’t Jesus just different people learning slowly to be more like him. Yes we can all do better & with God’s help will bit by bit. Carey’s article is about challenging Christians to think, self reflect and improve. Many of us are working on it. In the meantime I’d like to suggest that you look at Jesus directly in the book of John in the Bible and ask him to reveal himself and what being a Christian is about if you’re interested. It’s not about condemnation at all. You might be pleasantly surprised.

      • SJ on July 17, 2020 at 3:38 pm

        They get hung up on these issues but none of the ones that “don’t matter”. Even if they appear in the same book as those issues they deem so awful. Nobody riots about eating pork, or bombs clothing stores for selling blended fabrics. However, they will scream at homosexuals for existing, and bomb abortion clinics.

        • Aaron Clausen on August 3, 2020 at 9:50 am

          Indeed. The way Christians select which parts of the Bible they feel need enforcement an the parts they can safely ignore demonstrates the malleability of faith. Religionnis a useful tool for social cohesion, but for the most part, like all faiths and ideologies, is the servant to the biases of its adherents.

          • vince on August 4, 2020 at 9:28 am

            No people of any religion or belief are perfect ….none. The World is far from perfect so we must find a way to live together in peace. Jesus had much to say regarding this. If we want to know more we only have to read the words he left for us and make our own conclusions. He forces no one to believe. It is all up to us. One life, many choices. We must choose wisely. The right choices can change you and your life forever….



        • stop on September 21, 2020 at 6:33 pm

          Those were laws given to the ancient Israelites. Are we ancient Israelites? Also, go to Acts chapters 10 and 11. Do you take all your books out of context or just the Bible?

    • Captain Cassidy on June 16, 2020 at 5:14 pm

      Because “Jesus harder, everyone!” hasn’t worked for the 2000 years since Christianity was invented. Sometimes y’all need more precise instructions. If you’re Jesus-ing perfectly, then this post wasn’t meant for you. But your desire to silence someone speaking truth like this speaks to how imperfect your Jesus-ing is. Maybe you should Jesus harder.

  14. logann gavey on April 30, 2020 at 6:58 pm

    Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless.

    James 1:26

    • logann gavey on April 30, 2020 at 7:19 pm

      Ephesians 4:31-32
      Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

      1 Corinthians 13:4
      Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant

      Do you value kindness, love, and humility? I thought that is what Christianity was supposed to be about.? and that the big change from the old testament to the new, was God’s forgiveness and love? So my “thing”, to posit, Christians do that non-christians despise is “Being Hateful” and having “lacking Compassion for others” by shaming others, being mean to others, ostracising others, and turning away from the pain of others. This has been an observation of a common trait in some of My “Christian” family members, peers, and colleagues from the North West, the South, and the North East. I think the only problem with labeling any group as all “Christians” is that is a false choice. No Christian is like another, as no human is like another. Also, before “anonymous” chimes in, I am heterosexual, so although I have witnessed hate towards people in the LGBTQ community, I cannot speak as a member of that community just in case you wanted to demonstrate another example of “hate” like you did below.

      • vince on May 20, 2020 at 9:05 am

        If God is real, we are mere humans but created in his image…so we are like sheep the Bible says. Sheep are not so smart and are followers of the lead sheep who is also not so smart. God left us a guide book to follow..the Bible. If we follow it and it’s guidelines we will grow and become better people. Man left to his own devices is doomed to failure…just look around today…and in history. We all need God and there is only and can only be one true God. He himself says so. “:No man comes to the Father but by me”. “There is a way that seems right to a MAN, but the end thereof, are the ways of death”. Proverbs 14:12. Many things seem right to us, but God knows the right way…if we follow him, we find the right ways in life. Not perfect without problems, but the right way which leads to peace within……..

        • Captain Cassidy on June 16, 2020 at 5:16 pm

          Out of curiosity, do you actually know WHY shepherds keep sheep? They’re not pets or children, you know. I have never understood why Christians were so happy to think of themselves that way, nor to call their god a shepherd.

          Of course, if that god doesn’t exist then a whole lot of strange Christian practices suddenly start making a whole lot of sense.

          • Terri on June 17, 2020 at 1:28 am

            The Bible uses the analogy of sheep so it’s referred back to. They follow well and were a common part of that culture. I tend to think of general populations being more like sheep than I at times as I like to question, & consider Christians as people who in following Christ have to sometimes swim against the tide of public opinion or what is considered the norm. Your inferences are quite amusing……



          • Terry on June 17, 2020 at 5:29 am

            I would just add that sheep were kept mainly for wool and milk, and sometimes meat. You imply that God is fattening us up for the kill(?) as if He “needs” us for His glory, to stoke His own ego, etc. But He could just as easily do without us and leave us to be eaten by the wolves and lions. Fortunately for us, He doesn’t.



          • vince on June 19, 2020 at 4:51 pm

            To keep in context here, shepherds know what is best for the Sheep, the best pastures, best shelter, etc etc . They lead and protect the Sheep. God does that for his people if we will only follow…..simple



    • Charles on May 7, 2020 at 1:02 pm

      Comments
      Their teeth are rotten or missing
      Their tattoos look terrible
      Did you see their clothes?
      His hair is to long.
      Has he lost his razor?
      He or she is still drinking.
      I can tell they are on some kind of drugs.
      Don’t they realize they should dress up for church?
      Did you see what they were wearing?
      We can’t have someone who looks like that representing our church. What will people think.
      I won’t eat the food they brought they don’t look like they are very clean.
      Did you see what they are driving?
      Unspoken- If they don’t look and act like us it may be better if they find another church.
      They are not married and they live together. How can they come to church? Don’t they know that is a sin?
      They smell like a cigarette.
      They show up Everytime we have a church meal.
      Don’t they know they don’t fit in?
      Yes they do!!!!!!!

      • Veni on May 31, 2020 at 3:57 pm

        Charles, Your. Moments brings tears to my eyes.

        • Hannah Jones on July 20, 2020 at 12:33 am

          The eating pork and blended fabrics are all part of OLD COVENANT only binding to Israel in that time. Some of the only passages mentioning the intake of “unclean meat” is when God is rebuking the Israelites for sinning. .After Jesus died and rose again, there was now a NEW COVENANT for Christians which excluded a lot of different laws (like the pork one) meaning they can now freely get some pork on their fork and be free from other things that used to be sins. A lot of Christians predominantly follow the New Testament and a lot of the laws and practices from the old testament are not followed and immoral (E.g slavery.). The Abortion and the Homosexuality are laws that are part of the New Covenant which is why Christian’s view the act of having sex with the same sex and aborting a fetus (note I said fetus not embryo), as a sin.

          • Terry on July 20, 2020 at 5:12 am

            Hannah, I would echo your points about the Old and New Covenants in that many of the OT laws were made obsolete by Christ’s death and resurrection because they merely pointed ahead to Him, and He fulfilled them perfectly. I would just add that under the New Covenant there aren’t “laws” per se in that we have to follow them in order to get to heaven; there is only the “law of the Spirit” as Paul termed it, and the “law of sin and death”. Once we have the Holy Spirit we have a desire to please God rather than just a fear of hell. As Paul points out “all things are permissible, yet not all things are beneficial” – thus while there are consequences to our choices in this life, we can sin and still receive forgiveness based upon Christ’s sacrifice.

            This is what blows the mind with Christianity, as one could theoretically do whatever he wanted, live however he wanted and still go to heaven – except that he no longer WANTS to sin but to become more like Christ. Even without “laws” we still have standards of behavior as we believe that God desires justice (e.g., not shedding innocent blood) and expects us to emulate His character in all aspects of our lives, including sex and marriage. We just put the cart before horse as it were sometimes in setting “Christian” standards for non-Christians and behaving as though we’re all still under OT law, while giving the appearance of “cherry-picking” our own rules. As many have pointed out here, Christians don’t live the Christian life perfectly although that is our goal, and our struggles to hash out how to do this life thing as forgiven but flawed people can spill over onto other people’s lives, for good or bad.



          • SJ on July 20, 2020 at 6:01 am

            Ahhhhhhh. I see. So the only parts of Christianity that matter so much are quotes from the New Testament and not the old ones. Gotcha. If that’s the case… Then why do you still have the older half in the Bible that you choose to follow? Or is this another way to weasel out of the idea of maybe taking some responsibility that a lot of things that are believed by Christians are old and outdated and don’t really fit in a modern society?



          • SJ on July 20, 2020 at 6:22 am

            By the way… According to Matthew 5:17 … He condones everything in the Old Testament: “ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.”
            The New Testament is the only one that matters in deed… Why is it that skeptics and non believers and despisers of Christianity happen to always have more knowledge of it than the average member of the congregation?



          • Terry on July 21, 2020 at 5:56 am

            SJ, the Old Testament (=”Old Covenant”) still matters…it’s how we know God is holy and that His expectation for us is absolute perfection – and that we’re not capable of achieving this on our own. If we didn’t have the bad news as it were, we wouldn’t understand why we needed the “good news” (=gospel). The moral standards set forth in the OT which are based in God’s character still apply; we just don’t have to make animal sacrifices or otherwise fear hell for failing to meet them. I’m not exactly clear on your second point, but you are correct in that Jesus did come to fulfill the law in living a sinless life, which was why He was qualified to take our punishment for us. As I tried to explain above it’s not a question of whether we should follow the “old” or “new” list of do’s and don’ts in order to get into heaven but Christ’s work in us and how this should play out in our daily lives.



          • Aaron Clausen on August 3, 2020 at 9:58 am

            The New Covenant is supposedly love, not a set of statutes like Leviticus. The most the NT has to say about homosexuality is some crankiness in Romans from Paul, who among other things also took a dim view of marriage. As to abortion, that’s an extrapolation from the Old Testament, do again trying to work Old Covenant restrictions into Christianity



      • Captain Cassidy on June 16, 2020 at 5:17 pm

        Oh, we know Christians judge and hate us. All that simpering they do about “love” rings as false as the sentiment itself. We don’t want to fit in with a culture like that. They can keep it, and their fake god.

        • rachel on July 4, 2020 at 8:41 pm

          Christians don´t judge anyone.
          They just try to help people like you who don´t understand God/Jesus.
          You don´t understand God because you were not growing up in a christian family.
          You don´t have to believe in God,
          but…
          its the best choice if you would like to go to heaven.

          • Captain Cassidy on July 29, 2020 at 6:03 pm

            First prove your god exists. Then prove your heaven exists.

            Then we’ll talk about the morality of such a desperately wicked idea as a god who’d send anybody anywhere else after death.

            Good luck, by the way, “rachel.” Not a single Christian has managed that trick in the entire 2000 years since their religion was invented. If you could manage even the first bit, man alive you’d be the most famous person who ever lived.

            In the meanwhile, you can keep your vile, wicked threats to yourself. I don’t respond to fear-based marketing like you do. I make decisions based on facts. And the facts are these: your god is an imaginary friend. Heaven is imaginary. Nothing supernatural has ever been supported by a single shred of credible evidence. And Hell is what you use to threaten people into compliance — because threats worked to get you into compliance.

            I don’t fear what you fear, so you’re gonna hafta find some other way to sell your product to me. I don’t believe in your imaginary friend because I’ve never encountered any credible evidence that he exists.

            And the best evidence that he doesn’t is YOU and YOUR behavior.



      • stop on September 22, 2020 at 8:10 am

        Keep taking the Bible out of context. Youll get nowhere.

  15. Mark on April 18, 2020 at 5:52 pm

    Can we add another item>
    Christians can be the most gullible goats who will eat anything you put in front of them as long as it fits in their mouth. They have no discernment they just jump on bandwagons and ignore facts and proof as long as the narrative strokes their fur. The people of truth love lies. Just look at the insane anti Fauci nonsense.

    I had a lady in my congregation I pastor who could not understand how my “spirit” did not see through this man. I said what did he do wrong? She said, “Nothing has to be done wrong, I just go with what i feel in my spirit.”

    Insanity.

    • vince on April 19, 2020 at 2:24 am

      Remember there are no perfect people ..so be careful not to take any one isolated incident and run with it. You have to look at the whole picture if you want the truth. There is truth and it can be found for those who truly look like seeking for treasure. This world needs hope…and there IS hope. God/Jesus is real and he is only good and perfect. We are not. Christians do not love lies…they love truth. Again, you can find a few exceptions to any “rule”…be very careful where you put all your faith and everyone has faith…….in something…..

    • Terry on April 20, 2020 at 6:43 am

      Mark…I would think that a pastor would show more discretion in commenting on his parishioners rather than referring to them as “gullible goats”. It’s a shepherd’s job to protect the sheep from false teachers; and I wasn’t aware of any controversy regarding this Fauci person, but if there’s concern in your congregation about false teaching of any kind than this needs to be taken seriously and addressed, whether or not this is true. Dismissing a member’s concern as “insanity” and gullibility is disrespectful and tantamount to gaslighting – and beneath the office of pastor. Any frustration on this front should be shared behind closed doors to trustworthy people, not posted on a public forum. I couldn’t imagine my own pastor posting a rant like this.

      • Jeff on May 6, 2020 at 7:27 am

        Anna, I agree with you! 100%!

      • Sj on July 18, 2020 at 6:55 am

        If Christians weren’t the most gullible sheep on gods good green earth, then why doesn’t Judaism or Buddhism have a rampant group of Rob Tilton types who swindle them out of their wealth for promises of paradise?

        • Terry on July 18, 2020 at 5:59 pm

          Sj…I don’t doubt that some Christians (being part of humanity) are gullible as many are to their detriment (my husband’s late sweet aunt being one); but my point is that a pastor’s role is that of a sheepdog (or goatdog? in this case), not a wolf or a laughing hyena. But in regard to other faiths, given the willingness of some to martyr themselves for good karma, 72 virgins or similar promises, it wouldn’t be a stretch to believe that they and others would also fall prey to their own brand of “televangelist” in giving up their money.

          • SJ on July 18, 2020 at 6:06 pm

            Terry, While I believe that Christians can typically be more gullible than people of other faiths, I suppose you are right in that other face or also filled with manipulators who are willing to lie, obfuscate and take advantage of anyone willing to listen. This is why having no faith is preferable in my opinion. Personally, I think it is their faith that leads them to these people. Christians I think are just the worst offenders, however. For example: the Christian church, which preaches a modest living in the scripture, has a vast amount of wealth in my home country, and pays none of the taxes. And somehow, they continue to ask more of the congregation. And they give it to them. If that isn’t gullibility, I don’t know what is



    • Doug williamson on May 24, 2020 at 8:06 am

      Wait, you are a pastor at a church and you call christians gullible goats? Don’t you depend on those gullible goats to feed yourself?
      This whole thread proves that religion is a huge yolk that burdens people beyond reason. The freedom of living without having to worry if you are doing religion correctly is incredibly liberating. Freedom from religion is true happiness.
      Everyone that wants to reply with a Bible quote proves my point.

      • Terri on May 24, 2020 at 12:21 pm

        Hi Doug! Someone already told the pastor he was out of line. But thanks for further emphasising that it sets a bad example. Big mistake but then we all make them don’t we? I’m puzzled as to why you are on this website if you are so adamant that Christ has nothing to offer you. Or is it just the church that fails? Jesus is the best of humanity after all, awesome social reformer with revolutionary thinking for his day, not to mention all the lives dramatically altered for the better in his day and since. A sociologist once described freedom as that state when one realises all the influences on one’s life whether personal or societal & one is able to make conscious choices to go along with or act against the flow in each example. Far better than license which is vastly overrated! Since knowing Christ in my life I have never felt more free, more whole. The church is a work in progress hence this article to rattle a few cages and help people think and grow. You don’t have to go visit any church if you don’t like, you don’t have to get to know Jesus. You do know we’ re not trying to force you to, right? God gave us free choice in a world in which each action has a reaction or consequence. I do personally recommend prayer & finding out about Jesus though. He is worth exploring. Please respect the freedom of choice we have in following Jesus as you have the freedom to comment on this site. We as Christians have a responsibility to reveal Christ through our lives. He is perfect we are not so sometimes it doesn’t go well. A number of Christians have revealed Him ( demonstrated His qualities) to me in my life. It’s not all the big hypocritical mess you think. All we can do is apologise, learn, change and grow like any human being that messes up as it does & do better in future.. I don’t know if any Christian follower has ever hurt or disrespected you. I hope not & most of us would be upset if that was the case and wish to help. Christ’s teachings have had a very positive influence on the development of Western society and I think if you studied that you’d realise that it’s not the great evil you seem to suspect. It’s wise to understand something before deciding if it should be discounted as part of one’s life anyway.

        • Susan Joy Daniel on May 24, 2020 at 8:02 pm

          Well said Terri, and Doug as a Christian, I’d like to apologise on behalf of other Christians who may have at some stage have wounded you (and hope it wasn’t me!).

          • vince on May 25, 2020 at 9:41 am

            Yes and hopefully we people can all learn to just get along better in general. We are all in this life together so more love is a good thing. No need to judge each other. We have freedom of choice in this Country and we should respect each other more. God loves us all equally…we should do the same….



    • Veni on May 31, 2020 at 4:15 pm

      Pastor Mark, The older I get, the more intense my negative emotions seem to be. I find myself running to my knees more and more asking Jesus to help me want to give up a negative perspective, emotion, intention. It’s tiring. But I have to in order to not let them grow and morph into something that would not be pleasing to my Lord. It’s a giving up of what almost every fiber in me thinks I’m entitled to feel, and releasing it for the prize that is Christ. It makes me weep as I think of the battles waged at the throne by me and on my behalf. And weep for the times I didn’t take my heart to the throne because I felt entitled to its contents and judgments.

      So with that as a confession, my sharing my ongoing attitudinal struggles, please consider taking to the throne what you are feeling towards your congregants. I’m in helping profession too and often people say crazy, foolish, and mean things, and that brings out my contempt for them. I hate that I have to confess that because they are so XYZ, but I do. “But Lord, they are…”. Relinquish it all, V” “But”. “ All, V” Exhausting? Infuriating? But so worth throwing down the rags that are my ungodly attitudes. It’s a constant battle. Being clean before Him is lush.

      • Captain Cassidy on June 16, 2020 at 5:40 pm

        Veni, if you weren’t involved in a broken system full of false beliefs you must accept OR ELSE, you wouldn’t find compassion to be “a constant struggle.” The system’s broken. The road map doesn’t actually lead from Point Salvation to Point Decent Human Being, and it never could get you there. It’s broken for a reason: you keep dancing and falling, and then you’re taught to blame yourself for being exactly who you are. You never question the system itself that’s failed you so much, nor wonder why other systems don’t produce so much self-loathing and castigation.

        I’m human just like you are. When I discovered my faith was based on illusions and fantasies and basic manipulation of my ignorance, it fell from me like a funeral shroud. That’s when I finally became capable of loving people where they are, warts and all. I don’t struggle at all with other people being “so XYZ.” It takes a LOT to bring out contempt in me, and it’s usually aimed at hypocrites and hucksters seeking to sell illusions, fantasies, and emotional manipulation as cosmic truth. Even then, I see the scared children inside them that learned some truly dreadful lessons at a vulnerable age from the adults they knew as the only source of primary care they had — as you probably did, and as I certainly did.

        I found a better roadmap that actually works. Maybe you will too, one day. Whatever you’re using now, that ain’t it. Maybe you’ll find one somehow within your religious beliefs; maybe you’ll find one day that you must stray outside those beliefs to find what you really need. When it becomes important enough to seek, more important even than maintaining false beliefs and a broken roadmap, you’ll find it. I promise. Many of us have walked this road already; we know where it leads.

        I’ll give you a hint: that element resides inside you already. You may need help finding it, but it’s already there. Nobody can hand it to you. Nobody ever could. If anyone ever claims that, it’s because they don’t have your best interests at heart; they want something from you that isn’t theirs to want. What you need most is in your heart right now. It’s just been silenced — hopefully just temporarily.

    • Captain Cassidy on June 16, 2020 at 5:31 pm

      This is the Problem of Wingnuts: once one false belief is fervently accepted, more follow inevitably. The more seriously the believer takes the first false belief, the more likely they are to accept more — and become wingnuts. Once wingnuttery is achieved, it almost always only ratchets in one direction, into worse and weirder false beliefs.

      This is why most evangelicals are wingnuts who accept a plethora of weird conspiracy theories as truth, and why wingnuts tend to completely forget all the times a false belief they held was so conclusively debunked that even they abandoned it for something else (that’s probably also wingnutty). They just leap ahead to the next ice floe in the river!

      Christianity, as a belief system, makes dozens of false claims about reality. Accepting them can only be done in denial of what reality tells us. Once fervent belief in those claims gets settled in place, it opens the door to a range of other false claims’ acceptance. The only way to prevent becoming a wingnut is not to get TOO invested in the false belief. Fervent evangelicals despise those non-fervent sorts, of course. They insult them, demean them, seek to impoverish them, and even attack them. However, their victims seem like the only ones in that whole barking-mad tribe who avoid the worst hypocrisies that come along with that compartmentalization of reality. The mechanisms that maintain wingnut beliefs also open the door to abusive behavior in leaders — and to abusers being protected over their victims.

      This is why, when I deconverted, I made a policy of joining only groups whose ideology was based on reality alone, meaning groups that rejected utterly all beliefs that could not be supported by reality-based observations and measurements. Since then, that guideline has kept me out of all manner of trouble. This isn’t to say that reality-based people can’t be abusive jerks. But it happens way less often, in my direct lived experience and in the study I do of spiritual abuse. I’m 50 now, and have been deconverted for just over half my lifetime — so I’ve seen a lot of groups in my day!

      Give me reality every single time. Reality-based living protects me far better than any imaginary friends EVER did. And it gets way better results than thinking super-hard at the ceiling.

  16. Anna on April 16, 2020 at 3:28 am

    All human beings on the planet are hypocrites in one way or another. We all have delusions about ourselves being this, that or the other thing. But occasionally when we’re real silent, or we’ve made a mess of things, we may notice we are not all that. Christians need a re-boot, a renovation, sure thing. But so does every single human being. To be more humble, more silent, more forgiving. And to be more honest about our true essence which is rather lovely. But for some reason we all walk around wearing masks of indifference to our true selves and to others. Rather than say Christians are this or that. It’s better to look at humanity. Christ said “ask not what is holy, but who is holy” which is very profound. Because it means it’s not the belief that defines anything, it’s the actions.

    • Sheila on July 20, 2020 at 9:47 am

      That’s called deflection. Sure a lot of people sin and are in kind, but The rest of humanity isn’t saying we profess to believe xyz and then blatantly not following that. They don’t come out and condemn MANY MANY sins and only focus on a few select hot topics. The church as a whole is a wreck and pretty pointless because most people don’t seem to have a clue how they are even supposed to live based on the teachings of Jesus.

  17. Hannah Jones on April 13, 2020 at 12:45 pm

    i’m sure you have your facts and figures straight about who wrote what about bibilical stories when and where, the truth of the matter remains .. .. .. each time a story (or in this case the bible) is re-written, the changes made are significant to the person initiating the change, maybe it’s the king, maybe it’s the priest, but be sure of one thing, religion is the politics of spirituality and bibilical scripture is altered to reflect the needs of that king or priest to maintain his power over his people .. .. .. all the bibilical scripture and all the words contained therein are the words of human beings, regardless of when or where they were written, they are human in origin and you cannot prove otherwise .. .. .. you cannot use man’s words to prove god’s will, it’s just that simple

    • Captain Cassidy on June 16, 2020 at 5:52 pm

      You can’t use reality to prove it either, so I guess you’re SOL? That’s the problem with internal revelation, isn’t it? You come up with some weird, quirky lil take on Christianity that conflicts with a bunch of other weird, quirky lil takes, and every one of you thinks you’ve got the correct weird, quirky lil take that Jesus likes best. You all argue till you’re blue in the face, but literally nothing marks your weird, quirky lil take above anybody else’s — you all base it on purely subjective emotions. You like your weird, quirky lil take best because, well, it’s yours. And remarkably, the god of quarks and quasars completely agrees that your weird, quirky lil take is the correct one that he likes best.

      Does it feel good to have the weird, quirky lil take that your god likes bestest of all? Do you feel like the special-est lil Jesus-er who ever Jesus’ed? I bet it does; I bet you do.

      Maybe the Catholics had a good idea in corralling everything together into one distinct catechism, though they sold it with force and maintained it through fire and the sword. The moment Protestants got unhinged from them, they went wild. Jesus (in the Gospels you don’t trust, though I agree completely with your assessment overall about it) once predicted that Christians would be united in one body; it’s the most laughably failed prediction he ever made. Denominations do not merge, generally; they splinter further and further apart, which doesn’t even take into account the millions of Christians with their own weird, quirky lil takes on the source documents and ideas — like you.

      I saw something on Wiki claiming there are close to 40,000 denominations, maybe 50k, with more sprouting to life every day. I’m not even close to surprised. And every one of those denominations thinks just like you do, with the same exact proof you think you have. Isn’t that something?

      You can’t all be right … but you could all be wrong.

  18. Hannah Jones on April 13, 2020 at 11:43 am

    terry, not believing in an afterlife does not make one an atheist, the concept of an afterlife is rather modern in the history of human’s spiritual discoveries .. .. .. i have a deep and intimate relationship with god, my creator .. .. .. my belief is that we all get one life to live, when it’s over, it’s over, i can accept that .. .. .. i don’t need promises of an afterlife or any other rewards to treat others as i would like to be treated myself, having a clear conscience is reward enough! p.s. please re-read what i wrote, there seems to be a misunderstanding there, satan and god were brothers, see?

    • Captain Cassidy on June 16, 2020 at 5:55 pm

      I replied above to you already, but I’ll just say that removing the notion of the afterlife from your beliefs probably makes you a way better person than most other Christians.

  19. Hannah Jones on April 13, 2020 at 10:54 am

    (in response to terry) god is our creator, our “father”, we are all his children, jesus said “i am his son” .. .. .. his preachings were laced with the idea that we are all brothers and sisters, children of the same god .. .. .. god chose us to have life and the free will to choose between him and his brother, satan .. .. .. as i said before, the bible is continuously being re-written, whether to suit the powers that be or to suit the one who is quoting it at the moment .. .. .. and since jesus was a jew, his teachings were from the Torah, of which the old and new testaments are sequels

    • Terry on April 13, 2020 at 11:21 am

      Hannah, it appears that we disagree on a few fundamental issues that are too deep to get into in this kind of forum…and I am confused as to what you actually believe as from your comments below it seemed you were an atheist who does not believe in an afterlife. I do agree that we are all created by the same God but since man chose to rebel in the Garden of Eden most people became orphans with no Father, by choice – so I also agree that we have free will. I do not believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers, however as the Bible does not support this. And most of the modern English Bible translations have been derived directly from the oldest Hebrew and Greek manuscripts available such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, not from other English translations such as the King James Bible. But you are correct in that the Old and New Testaments are one continuous story, the OT being frequently quoted by Jesus and also used by the apostles who wrote the NT to develop the theology of salvation by faith.

  20. RJ Anderson on April 6, 2020 at 12:19 pm

    This article is filled with ignorance
    I am a Christian I do not judge people that’s Gods department!
    Hypocrisy? You do not know why people seek Christ!
    They seek him to change their ways to help them in their life to stop sining Not one person in this world is without sin no pastor no priest no church we all fall short! this hypocrisy thing I’ve heard a million times usually by atheists to justify their beliefs of nothing. I have friends of all type gay, different race food and bad !
    It doesn’t matter what color or who you are we are all children of God!
    SO MANY LOST SOULS!
    Crack open a Bible read John 3:16 and
    Give your soul to Christ it’s a hard life resisting temptation and trying to turn the cheek everyday with a smile!

    • Stella on April 7, 2020 at 6:42 pm

      Maybe I don’t want to believe in Jesus, I’m happy being atheist! I am not tempted or upset I don’t believe at all! Get some respect for people who just don’t WANT to believe like me.

      • vince on April 8, 2020 at 12:31 pm

        Yes respect for sure. Why anyone would not want eternal life ia a perfect heaven is hard to figure.

        • Doug williamson on April 8, 2020 at 1:12 pm

          So whatever I believe Heaven to be it is? How do you know about heaven? Just because you read it an old text or thats what they told you when Gamgam died to make you feel better doesn’t make it any less fabricated.

          • vince on April 8, 2020 at 6:12 pm

            Far more than an old text…even historians agree on that. No other book in the world like it…none. So, if you want to know about it there are hundreds and hundreds of resources. Nothing fabricated about it..take a real look and see….if you dare…



        • Jake Tisnik on April 10, 2020 at 5:20 pm

          Well, because those are just fairytales from moral code book with fantasy elements.

          • vince on April 11, 2020 at 11:58 pm

            Far more than fairy tales. Written by 40 people over 200 years and they all say the same basic things. Prophecies fullfilled in one man….miracles witnessed by hundreds of people..on and on it goes if you take the time to look. No other book like it…unique in many ways but in the end you must believe and have faith that it is true. Most who make these blanket statements have never really looked in to the Bible to seriously seek the truth….or lies in it. They do not want to. That is the sad fact. If they did..they would see otherwise…



        • Charles on May 7, 2020 at 12:02 am

          The Bible man written God inspired. Gives us instruction on how we should treat each other. Plus mistakes and triumphs man has made throughout history. Mankind has a deep need to connect with his creator. To live a life that is fulfilling and good. The Bible gives information on how to do this. It may not be perfect but it is the best hope we have. Christianity is about Love and Hope. We are sinners and have character defects. Please forgive us for our faults. Most of us are loving and faithful to doing better than we were before accepting Christ as our savior. Humility and Love something we all have to work on. We are trying. There are food giveaways weekly in our local communities along with other free servicies. All of these are Christian Ministries. While people may have opinions about us remember that is judgement on their part. Things aren’t always as we see them. I have been wrong about many things and will continue to be in the future. Through Jesus I have forgoveness. This is what I believe.

          • vince on May 7, 2020 at 12:54 am

            Most all thinking people believe Jesus walked this Earth. If he was here, who was he? Is he equal to God? Did he do miracles? How do all those prophecies about him just happen to be true, written thousands of years before he was here? Did he raise the dead? Heal the sick? Raise himself from death? If he really did these things what do you do with that? Would you want to know more about it? It is the single most important event in history concerning you/us if he is who he said he was……



        • Michael Neville on July 30, 2020 at 10:03 am

          How do you know heaven is perfect? Has anyone been there and come back to give a description?

          Most afterlives would become utterly boring in very little time. One Jewish afterlife consists of arguing Talmudic minutiae, a subject of little interest to most people. The Muslim afterlife is the fantasy of a 15 year old male virgin (plus women don’t seem to have their own afterlife). Valhalla is a combination steakhouse and brawl, with everyone dying in a big battle at the end. One commonly-held Christian heaven has everyone singing hymns of praise to a megalomaniac. That would become pretty boring after about the first ten seconds. Only the Hindu and Buddhist concepts of nirvana, going to utter nothingness, has any appeal to me. But since I’m an atheist that’s what I expect will happen, only without the messiness of reincarnation.

      • Doug williamson on April 8, 2020 at 1:19 pm

        Amen brother! PPreach!

        • Lexizen on April 26, 2020 at 7:51 am

          Does it really matter! If we believe in God we believe in God. If we don’t we don’t. We all have our own path to follow through out OWN experiences. And what suits one does not suit another. We are all rivers going to the same ocean. Whether you are Christian, Muslim, Hindu or atheist you all believe in that. A belief is still just a concept of the human kind. What suits ones mind or heart will not suit another. Can we not just accept that this is the truth. I am a Christian new however, I have studied Buddhism and vishara! Meditation helped with the mental side but god for ME!, And I stress ME as I’m not looking to convert and im most definitely not judging anyone!, helps me to content with the heart, Jesus was love only and is a great example of, again in my opinion, love and peace and allows me to see what I need to do to be better person. Does not mean I expect others to be the same I accept others for who they are. And I accept me. I don’t think there is anything wrong with anything anyone has said but is doesn’t need to be come a debate of right and wrong, we do what feels right to us as individuals. Acceptance goes along way. Love to all of you!!

      • Racheal / Christian on July 4, 2020 at 1:16 am

        Look I agree, you don´t have to believe in Jesus.
        But believing is a better choice then Not!
        I can see your happy not believing in Jesus because you don´t know the history about him.
        We as Christians do have respect if you don´t believe in Jesus or do.
        Some people like you just don´t what to believe Jesus because you truly have not seem him.
        And some people don´t believe things with out seeing them.
        But in Christianity there no such thing of not believing Jesus because you can´t see him.
        We as Christians don´t need to see Jesus to believe him.
        Just read the Bible,
        the Bible has so much proof.
        The Bible has so much history about Jesus.

      • rachel on July 4, 2020 at 9:13 pm

        Stella, if you don´t believe in Jesus its okay.
        Jesus himself doesn´t and did not force anyone to believe in him.
        But…. as a Christian we know what will happen to people like you who don´t believe in Christ.
        And God has already gave us so MUCH evidence that he is real,
        Its your choice to believe in him or not!
        God is the creator of the Universe and all the creation and ex creation. And thinking there is no God who created all the creatures is being inorgat about where the creatures came from.
        You really never think of the question, ´´Who CREATED the EARTH´´.

        • Michael Neville on July 30, 2020 at 10:12 am

          So what’s this “evidence” that your imaginary, fictitious, make-believe “god” is real? Bring it out. However I will not accept anything with logical fallacies, semantic ambiguities, emotional appeals (threats are an emotional appeal), or personal testimonies. Also the collection of myths, fables and lies called the Bible isn’t evidence. You don’t accept the Quran or Vedas as evidence for their gods, a moment’s thought will tell you that an atheist discards the Bible for exactly the same reason.

          The answer to “who created the Earth” is “we don’t know”. And we includes you. There’s no evidence that a couple of 2500 year old myths written by priests who didn’t know where the Sun went at night have any relationship to reality.

    • Kathy Urbano on April 30, 2020 at 2:15 pm

      Amen! Thank you RJ Anderson! Remember he who is in me is greater than he who is in the world! Thank you Jesus for dying for our sins.

    • Captain Cassidy on June 16, 2020 at 6:09 pm

      Anybody joining Christianity to “stop sinning” should probably be aware of just how dismal Christianity is at helping people learn to become better people. The number of sheer hypocrites in Christian groups is astounding. Their roadmap to becoming better human beings is broken; it won’t get them to the promised goal at all.

      I hope you didn’t join Christianity for that reason. Do you ever wonder how non-Christians manage to be decent human beings? Why they’re so much better, as a group, than Christians could ever hope to be? This was a big problem for me when I was Christian. I didn’t know any non-Christians at all till I went to college, and then I was flabbergasted. That’s also the age I began noticing hypocrites around me as well, and gosh, there were just SO MANY of them!

      Later, I’d learn that religious-dominated societies and communities tend to be the very worst in every marker of dysfunction: violence, crime, abuse, poor education, divorce rates, little access to healthcare, teen pregnancy, you name it and it’s worse in those areas. I could only conclude:

      * Good people exist in and out of Christianity, mostly out of it.

      * Horrible people exist in and out of Christianity, mostly inside of it.

      * The more Christianity is allowed to dominate people’s everyday lives, the worse that area fares. The more controlling a fervent Christian group is, the more hypocrites we’ll find among them and the more likely it’ll be that scandals will erupt out of that group.

      All of that should be impossible under Christianity’s claims, but it’s the reality.

      My solution was to go with reality. I don’t know what you’ll do. Just if you’re seriously thinking that Christianity, as a system, encourages members toward improvement, you don’t know much about how Christianity works on the ground. It relies on people failing its flawed roadmap. If people really improved in its use, their Dear Leaders would be out of work.

      • Terri on June 17, 2020 at 3:54 am

        Reading your comments I pick up anger, disillusionment , perhaps hurt and and bitterness with people. Perfectly in context with the initial article that began all this. However whilst I would not discount your experience & my heart goes out to you that your experience was so bad it seems, your experience is not all the evidence there is. Psychologists could list all the elements that need to be provided to make a kind decent citizen & they will exist outside Christianity of course but that doesn’t mean that those who didn’t get that should not receive what they need to heal and change and Jesus working with the help of a good group of followers can and has done that in people’s lives including mine. Your experience seems very people focused. It is God who has been seeking, finding and mending me and it is that relationship that matters most. I am always amazed at the confidence and trust people have in each other as though they don’t expect to be let down. Of course people will, they aren’t perfect! If some take years before they do that’s a bonus , but we have to be realistic and fair, expect them to try, to often achieve good stuff but don’t expect perfection. I’ve seen amazing actions of love and sacrifice. Try to be open to the fact that there is more than just your experience. It doesn’t mean you have to put yourself in positions that will cause you to be overwhelmingly hurt again. There is a lot of emphasis on forgiveness in Christianity for the fact it is necessary for whole people and good relationships. Having said that your experience if it has included anything as severe as abuse will need a lot more counselling, love and support for you to get to that place of healing. There are things we should feel angry about but to live in a state of anger is harmful to the self. It is a sad truth that evil sometimes hides in places we least expect it. We all need to exercise greater wisdom, not blind faith. Please get help to find peace.
        After all that as a less important emphasis than your wellbeing sometimes there are measurable answers to prayer when they involve physical changes, sometimes immediate change. There is a lot more good fruit than you realise.

        • Captain Cassidy on July 29, 2020 at 6:14 pm

          Don’t psychoanalyze me. It’s rude and creepy. I am doing fine with peace. I get annoyed with Christians, but that’s not the same thing.

          You use “anger” as a reason to write me off. That’s how your tribe operates whenever it encounters dissent or criticism. Ah good, she’s “angry,” maybe even OMG “bitter!” So her criticisms can’t be valid. If I’m “angry” at all, if I seem not-at-peace, consider the context. Or don’t. If you didn’t have tone trolling, you would have to work out some other way to disqualify critics out of the gate.

          Groups based around your religion are the very last I would ever join if I wanted forgiveness or peace. Every Christian group I’ve ever seen and dealt with has been ghastly on both counts. They are petty courts of control-jockeying and power-mongering, full of terrible people who couldn’t find the power they wanted in any legitimate venue.

          And you are one of them. Thank you for reminding me of what a wicked and evil ideology Christianity is. It turned you into the person who creeped at me, dismissed me, disqualified me, and sought control of me to silence me. Gee, what a great “witness!”

          • Terri on July 30, 2020 at 2:46 am

            Let me be forthright & honest. I apologise for psychoanalysing you. I am analytical by nature. I was aiming at compassion, understanding, fairness but clearly that didn’t come across. Clearly I’ve annoyed you since you were offensive, insulting and totally off the mark. I’m not American so I only see what appears in media and sometimes it makes me cringe but it’s the media and not necessarily an accurate portrayal of the church there. I can’t comment on what I haven’t experienced. My experience of Christianity is that it has worked for me and others I know. I try to never dismiss anyone & the evidence your comments present is that you take issue with the Christian experience you have had. I am GENUINELY sorry that your experience has been bad & unhappy that it may have distanced you from God. If you are cynical that would be understandable but please don’t assume all Christians are the same or all churches if you are. I have experienced some very Christlike behaviours amongst Christians. I have experienced genuine change through my prayer life. I have seen physical answers to prayer that were measurable.
            On the issues of control and imaginary friends…
            Control- I can’t control what you are or what you say, choose or think & neither can you do that to me as evidenced by this blog. I don’t even want to. Strong individualism is important to me. Christian blogs are not about airing opinion but stimulating positive change in the church. I want you to be respectful, reasonable and fair to people so I’ll ask that of you but it’s still your choice whether you are. Don’t tar me with the same brush as those you’ve known. Let’s agree that we don’t know each other. I’m glad you consider yourself to be at peace as you said because that doesn’t come across in your comments in this context & I do feel genuine compassion toward you because you’ve not experienced the love of God through the church there but far less & you should have received better.
            I could apologise for that but it is lip service & devoid of meaning if it doesn’t come from those who let you down.
            Imaginary friend-
            God makes a terrible imaginary friend because He doesn’t say or do what I want. Worse, He asks things of me like putting others before myself when I’m overtired or asking me to be patient and loving with the most irritating of people. Why on earth would anyone want an imaginary friend that they can’t control???? Worse He asks us for personal accountability, to grow up & sometimes go through genuine hardship for the sake of others. But we always have a choice. Christianity works when we make the right choices. If this has been another failed attempt at reasonable discourse with you I will have to surrender further attempts. Some personality combinations just can’t communicate well and that may be true of us. Do take the utmost care.



        • Captain Cassidy on July 30, 2020 at 3:22 pm

          Thank you for the apology, though you continued to try to exert control of me through wrong guesses about my past and character and attempts to manipulate me. I suspect it’s just so ingrained a style of interaction you don’t even recognize you’re doing it.

          Yes, of course you’re Christian because it works for you. If it didn’t, you’d start to question the claims involved with it. It’s not true, so the only reason to be involved is that it gives you something. To me right now, that something sounds a lot like a sense of superiority over others and a way to take control of them. These both come from fear.

          I remember that fear very well. Eventually it hit a peak so bad I ended up in a complete panic. “Jesus” never helped or responded, because of course that was me all along inventing him. Thankfully, once someone hits that peak there’s nothing left to do but analyze with cold indifference the entire belief system that led us there.

          Fear-based marketing bags a lot of people, as you’ve accidentally revealed. But it’s a Pyrrhic victory.

          Now, I don’t believe any of Christianity’s claims. That has nothing whatsoever to do with my personality, my past, my experiences, or anything else but this: the claims do not possess credible evidence to support themselves. No Christian has ever, even once, come up with any good credible reason to believe a single claim made about their god. It’s an imaginary friend, or like Santa or a unicorn.

          The fact that you can consider yourself analytical and yet come at me with so much emotional manipulation and ignore the gaping chasm of lack-of-real-evidence before your feet speaks to exactly why you’re involved. You’re not analytical. If you were, you wouldn’t have acted like this here. Your faith is based on emotion, not reason. I know that’s kinda your thing, to believe that about yourself, but it’s definitely not coming through.

          Please forgive any spelling errors. I’m on my tablet right now, and it loves making me look illiterate.

          • Terri on July 30, 2020 at 6:52 pm

            Cassidy what do you think I’m trying to get you to do? Sorry again if I got the wrong idea from your comments. Apparently I should give up trying to be understanding. Every time I try it goes horribly wrong and you see only manipulation.
            Of course there’s an emotional element. It’s a relationship based faith centred around love. But don’t assume I don’t question, don’t read or grew up in the faith. I was stunned by the superiority comment. ” We are all sinners and have fallen short of the glory of God” doesn’t support that accusation. If you knew me and my background you could potentially laugh at the thought. There are comments on this blog where sincere believers are only too aware of their own shortcomings. Fear?None in my experience involving my faith. Are you talking about fear of punishment like old fire and brimstone preachers or some weird peer pressure community that call unchristian attitudes ( spreading fear, prejudice and judgement) Christian?Christianity should be about humility and love. But becoming humble can take a long time. People don’t change quickly. My mind, my heart, my will and my spirit should all be involved in my faith as a way of life. An emotion dominated faith can lead to messed up Christianity, easily swayed by others. Currently I’m wading through a book that discusses ancient historical and cultural elements of Christianity. A common mistake people make when reading the Bible is to try and make sense of it through 21st century perspectives and understanding of the world which of course didn’t exist then. Context is everything. There are also some good online discussions about science in the Bible. As a new Christian I did consider that a super powerful being could arguably create all in six days because I try not to be close minded. but my understanding of Genesis developed and it is not a literal explanation of how the universe was created but an assertion of God’s truth to an ancient people that life was not cyclically repeating as was common belief then but had beginning and end, a revolutionary concept amongst the belief systems of that time. It challenges other beliefs of that time in how it is written too. Having spent a long time with God now I have never experienced Him rush through anything. He is thorough. What scientific evidence exists also supports the concept of the emergence/ development of our planet as it is over a vast period of time. If we had hours and days sitting over a coffee I could explain the many “coincidences”, communications, prayers answered and interesting odd otherwise so far inexplicable experiences in my life, and those I know, that indicate the possibility of a being existing who adheres to ways laid down in the Bible. I could give a few examples of physically measurable changes in response to prayer. There isn’t time or space here. And of course that’s if you wanted to know. There are many who could give you better rational arguments than I. I’m afraid I’m past my sharpest years. Or indeed if you were a friend we would be talking about anything since that’s what friends do. It’s not about conversion. I do wish you well. Take care. ( Does this message typer keep deleting more than its asked to for anyone else? I’m trying to write on my smart phone. It’s painfully laborious.)



      • vince on June 19, 2020 at 4:58 pm

        The Bible itself is a perfect roadmap for life, people are not and never will be. God/ Jesus is the ultimate example of how to live, people are not. Yes Christians as a whole should be better people and most have a heart after God, but some are not such good examples. The Bible has the answers to the worlds problems if we will only follow. God gives peace and changes lives if and when you believe…..not just say the words, but really truly believe. No need to wait till the end of life to find out…..you CAN find out now…if God exists and is who he says he is. There is very very much evidence to that fact if you will only look….seek….

        • Captain Cassidy on July 30, 2020 at 3:36 pm

          I spent half my life as a fervent believer. But you’re wrong. This world does not actually offer a single bit of evidence for any religion’s claims. None. What the Bible says about reality does not line up with reality.

          What finally broke me of belief was that realization. It started fairly small: I noticed that my prayers had changed dramatically in nature some years after joining Pentecostalism (at the time considered dangerous extremists by other evangelicals; now they’re barely in competition for that title). When I’d first converted, I’d prayed for an end to cancer and war, for big dramatic things. But by then, I was praying for my god to lend me help in situations, to “just be with” this or that person, and the usual meaningless “hedge of protection” blahblah.

          But the kicker was my pastor getting brain cancer. He was a very big name in my denomination, so millions of Christians prayed earnestly for his magical healing. Obviously, he only declined. On his deathbed, my then-husband tried to stage a dramatic healing–invaded this poor man’s deathbed vigil with a bottle of olive oil in hand! The family rightly kicked him out. That night, that pastor died in misery. It blew my mind. This death violated every Bible promise there was about prayer.

          When I found out a while later about the incident with my husband, I went to my Bible to read and study it more. I needed to know exactly what it said, and I needed to make sure it aligned with reality.

          That night I deconverted. Now that I knew what it said, I could see nothing about it aligned with reality.

          Deconversion is as simple a process as a child losing belief in Santa when she finds presents wrapped in the closet and a Santa costume hanging next to them. The Bible makes a lot of claims, and over time I’d see that none of them actually show up in reality.

          So sorry, but you’re flat wrong.

          • Terry on August 2, 2020 at 4:31 pm

            Cassidy, I appreciate that you’ve shared this personal experience as I’ve struggled with prayer myself. How do we know if God will answer? What if what we want isn’t what He wants? The first time my furbaby presented with an autoimmune disorder 7 years ago, I took her to specialists first to find out why she suddenly couldn’t walk and then how to help her. And I prayed for her. My friends and family prayed for her. I was already reading the Bible regularly but now I studied verses on trust and hope. I took her to the vet for regular treatments for months, and within weeks she was much better – more than the vets expected and in contrast to most cases like hers. The process was emotionally excruciating for me but it was a spiritual “growth spurt” as I learned to trust God and surrender control. She had a brief relapse a year and a half later, and again I took her for treatment and prayed for her, fearing that perhaps this time the treatments wouldn’t work, but they did and she enjoyed several more years of quality life. Then at 13 her condition returned with a vengeance, and although we got her walking again she never fully recovered and remained on a downward spiral for the next two years until she left us this past January. The whole time – and especially over her final three months – we did everything we could for her to retain her mobility and improve her quality of life (although she wasn’t in pain from what we were told), and still I prayed for insight and that God would show me how to fix her.

            After she died I wondered what I’d done wrong. Did I not choose the right treatment, or not pray hard enough, or use the right words? Had God failed me? She had always been the comeback-kid and defied expectations, so why not this time? We are finally building our new house after 12 years of waiting, and I had so hoped she would still be with us and could at least walk down the driveway with me to check the mail. Now as my fears of moving into an empty house – a mausoleum, as it were – are coming true, the analogy that occurred to me in the course of removing the Chinese privet from our yard has remained in my mind: that where we see devastation, God sees a new beginning. Sometimes He answers our prayers in the way we want Him to, but sometimes not and it doesn’t seem right or fair; but trusting Him despite circumstances is more important than the outcome of our prayers. I might be interested to know what your pastor’s thoughts and comments were on his own condition, as it may be that his flame burned all the more brightly in his passing than it did during his lifetime.

            I realize that this addresses only one aspect of your deconversion, that you’re asking for proof that God exists and that the Bible is true. I doubt that I’m enough of an apologist to offer these, but I will say that these are where faith comes in, and faith is not blind but is based upon experience – which in turn is personal like your own story, and mine. Praying for an end to cancer and war are noble and selfless (more so than my own prayers), but not seeing these things happen doesn’t mean the Bible’s promises aren’t true. Christ made an end to these things which we haven’t seen yet but will happen; and in the meantime He works toward peace and healing through flawed people. As for the Bible not lining up with reality, I might ask for examples but in a sense you are correct in that it stands in contrast with the real world in the standards that it sets. On the other hand it is uncanny in its portrayal of human nature (e.g., Proverbs 1:10-19) which hasn’t changed since it was written. Otherwise I’m inclined to think that where scripture doesn’t align with our preconceptions, it’s the latter that needs to change. What you call “deconversion” is not a surprise to God, and He hasn’t given up on you. In time you may well add this portion of your life to your eternal story.



  21. Anonymous on March 31, 2020 at 6:07 pm

    I assume by life-style choices you mean being gay.

    • A Christian on April 6, 2020 at 11:35 am

      Haha that’s quite the assumption, but I see where it comes from. Lifestyle choices that people may feel judged by Christians from probably include, sex outside of marriage, so living together obviously, then there’s drinking, smoking, gambling, pornography, wearing clothes that reveal a figure, swearing… I think the list is endless. And that’s the problem. And its all ridiculous because if you’d love God and if Jesus isn’t done revealing to you how much more fulfilling His way of life is than what we’ve always done, and seen and been taught then why on earth would we live any differently…

      • vince on April 6, 2020 at 1:45 pm

        I think people feel convicted around Christians in general and confuse that with feeling judged by them. Some could care less but the ones who feel judged, feel something and that can be a good thing. Christians need to be careful not to sound and act judgemental for sure, but they are not responsible for anothers feelings regarding the judging necessarily. Feeling “convicted” of behavior should be different than feeling judged..

    • Captain Cassidy on June 16, 2020 at 6:10 pm

      Similarly, “sinful” always denotes something sexual.

      Think about this:

      “a sinful woman”

      Did you see her as being very sexual? Of committing victimless offenses involving sex? Probably!

      • Terri on June 17, 2020 at 4:15 am

        It’s odd that some people focus mainly on sexual sin. It’s not a presumption that should be made. I like that Jesus got most angry with religious people full of pride and self righteousness who enjoyed positions of power. I love that He cared about all the marginalised people of his day. That is who we follow. Follow more closely Church!

  22. Kristi on March 3, 2020 at 11:46 am

    Great article. Christians are sinners. I am a believer, a Christian, and I know I see hypocracy in others as well as myself at times. It’s hard. I think Christians are like other groups… the negative comes to the forefront. We also have a racist history to overcome. Churches as a group have to identify the past issues as well as current ones. It’s difficult. As an individual, I struggle with keeping the mindset that I know Christ wants me to have especially when that guy cuts me off in traffic… Lol. I see well meaning Christians (I’m guilty) say the wrong thing, come across the wrong way. I just try to think before I speak or act. Daily prayer and reading my Bible really help keep me mentally focused. It’s a daily struggle. I don’t want to win the battle and lose the war. My belief is that ultimately we will either spend eternity worshipping God in heaven or burning in hell. My desire is to just be a witness and leave the rest up to God.

    • Hannah Jones on April 12, 2020 at 3:51 pm

      and there’s my biggest problem with those who believe in an afterlife .. … .. why can’t you just accept the fact that when you die, you are dead forever? vince posted “Why anyone would not want eternal life ia a perfect heaven is hard to figure.” well, vince, i have no desire to live forever, in a perfect place or elsewhere .. .. .. my ego is at peace with the knowledge that someday i will no longer exist, it comes from being able to accept reality .. .. .. living in fear of eternal damnation is a huge waste of time and energy, for god’s sake, you’re just not that important

      • Mel on April 19, 2020 at 4:43 pm

        Oh but Hannah Jones you (we) are that important, God sent His only son to die for you, you’re that important and that loved.

        • Hannah Jones on April 19, 2020 at 8:17 pm

          mel, if you believe that, i’ve got some ocean-front property here in arizona i’ll sell you real cheap! LOL .. .. .. oh, btw, nobody can die for you or your sins, it’s your life and your sins, own them! it’s much healthier for you to learn from your mistakes, forgive yourself for them, and move on .. .. .. if you want to believe that there is more to it, then own that too! own your beliefs, own your faith, but please, don’t call it the truth, you are not qualified to say what will happen after you die, no human is or ever was qualified, no matter how elaborate the rumors to the contrary are!!!

          • Terry on April 20, 2020 at 6:26 am

            Hannah, the idea of someone else dying for us does seem incredible and may even violate our own sense of pride in being able to own our own mistakes and even “fix” ourselves. We are certainly free to own our own sins, but as ultimate justice demands death for anything less than perfection that would mean eternity separated from God – an eternal death. Because none of us is perfect God provided a way out through Jesus. Even if we were to own our own mistakes, we can’t erase them. That would be like trying to wash muddy hands with more mud. And if we can’t wash our own hands of our mistakes, we’re not qualified to forgive ourselves either. But because Jesus was already perfect and lived a perfect life here on earth, He is the only person qualified to pay the penalty for our sin. We know that He did and that God accepted this arrangement because Jesus rose again (and there is historical proof that this happened, btw). Christians don’t know much about what happens after death but if we believe in what Jesus did for us than we can trust that God will accept us after we die.



      • Terri on April 20, 2020 at 2:48 am

        Yep. I am a Christian now but Eternity was for me an abhorrent thought to begin with. This life is hard enough I thought, who would want more of it? Not existing seemed a lovely peaceful thought, an end to pain, troubles etc. I discovered that living through it with God, I grew, healed, became increasingly less selfish and able to help others more. Life is still hard but manageable & I can do more about making the world a little better now. As for the Afterlife well considering there are numerous experiences that suggest a spiritual existence is grounded in reality, including my own now, I thought it wiser then to consider the possibility that it could be real & if so then what would I do. Heaven isn’t clearly described in Christian doctrine. Perhaps because physical people struggle with getting their heads round spiritual life, what term of reference could we relate to? What is clear about it is that all the stuff in this life that makes it so difficult isn’t in that one. It’s also a life albeit eternal in the presence of real love not the often broken distorted kind of love we get here. Over the years praying & getting to know God/ Jesus I have to say an eternity with Him makes the concept of living forever a lot more palatable even if it is an idea I don’t naturally long for.

        • vince on April 26, 2020 at 11:04 am

          Remember there are two forces at work here. One to confuse you, and one to make things clear. The Bible talks of this many times and if you look at this book that has survived thousands of years written by 40 men inspired by God you will find truth. Truth is what we need, and as the book says,”will set you free”. Many people who were confused by life and headed down a terrible path have been changed by God. There are many of these testimonies. There IS hope, and there can be GREAT change in your life and it has happened for many. If only people would take the time to look with an open mind their lives can be changed forever…for the better. This should be the priority of all people yet many do not take the time to seriously look at who Jesus was and why he was here……

    • Captain Cassidy on June 16, 2020 at 6:16 pm

      If your roadmap worked, this wouldn’t be “a daily struggle.” It’s astonishing how many Christians accidentally reveal that their entire belief system DOES NOT DO what it promises. Ever. Non-Christians don’t “daily struggle” to be decent human beings, to avoid road rage, maintain mental focus, etc. It’s not because you’re especially sinful or we’re just naturally less sinful, believe me. It’s just we’re not using broken roadmaps to learn to manage our feelings. You are.

      Your hell-belief has created all manner of problems in your life, and you just revealed a bunch of them here without even realizing it. Your terror of the unknown and fear of death have been manipulated by hucksters. You’ve bought their bill of goods, all to imperfectly assuage your fears of eternal, limitless, unending, meaningless pain for noncompliance with ridiculous demands on your time and resources. And then (this is the brilliant part of Hell-based marketing) you’ve warped yourself six ways from Sunday to believe that the creator of that horrifically wicked cosmology is worth worshiping rather than fighting to your last breath, as any petulant, narcissistic tyrant threatening you with torture should be.

      But rest easy. It doesn’t exist, he doesn’t exist, it’s not actually a real thing you must work to avoid. Be not afraid. Without Hell to push you into accepting false beliefs, to keep you from having the mental energy to even consider the truth or falseness of the claims, I wonder what you’d be able to manage in terms of self-improvement? What roadmap would you find that actually works? I bet you’d find one. Maybe you will one day. I have hope for everyone.

  23. Jon on February 25, 2020 at 4:04 am

    As a Christian with autism, deep trauma, and complex PTSD, I do not have the ability to create friendships. You say that non-Christians hate this about me. There is not much I can do about this. I keep trying to interact with people. Friendships don’t seem to grow. I am in deep therapy with a Christian psychologist. I don’t know how not to drive people away from Christ with my constant failure at friendships however. I am so broken.

    • Carey Nieuwhof on February 25, 2020 at 3:03 pm

      Hey Jon,

      I am so sorry about the difficulties you are working through. You have a hard life, and I don’t want to pile on top of that.

      In the article, I say that the real problem isn’t Christians who have a hard time with friendships, but Christians who don’t pursue relationships at all. Here’s the exact quote: “relatively few Christians actively pursue meaningful friendships with people who don’t share their faith.”

      Jon, I want you to take care of you. Your situation is more than understandable and I don’t think anyone is angry with you about this.

      I’m cheering for you to have a brighter future ahead.

      Carey

      • Captain Cassidy on July 30, 2020 at 3:54 pm

        No offense intended, Carey, but your instructions about friendship won’t work anyway even for NTs. You advise people to make friends with the unwashed heathens around them so they can eventually pitch their product (membership in their group) to them. Your approach is just as bad as the ones evangelicals follow now with “friendship evangelism.” It’s still being done to sell product. And trust me, it will only hurt the people your followers target with their totally-for-realsies sincerity. We know. Many of us avoid fervent Christians as a matter of course just to avoid the pain of getting ghosted when we reject the inevitable sakes pitch. If we don’t, we’re always bracing for it.

        Look. Be friends with no aim to turn your friends into Christians. If you can’t accept them as they are, differing faith and all, don’t be friends. If they really want to know about your religion, they’ll ask. If they never ask, would you still be their friend? Because these days, that’s how it’s gonna go. Nobody thinks Christians are “I dunno, just different I guess.” Nor that they seem happier, better-put-together, or better-educated than we are. Their ideology offers nothing we need. So if this friendship begins with the Christian eventually expecting to create an opening for a sales pitch, it’s best not to enter it at all. (And your reframing of the sales pitch itself was really dishonest, by the way. It’s still a sales pitch no matter how you word it, and it’s still going to be unwelcome and hurtful to the recipient.)

        I wonder sometimes if Christian leaders do their best to sabotage mixed-faith relationships by saddling Christians with instructions guaranteed to destroy those relationships (or prevent them from happening). Nothing destroys immersion in their big pretendy game like close association with people who don’t want to play along. The very last thing those leaders should want is their followers getting too cozy with non-believers.

    • Kathy on February 26, 2020 at 1:30 am

      Hi Jon
      I am sorry you have such a deep struggle in your life and my heart goes out to you. Please realize that YOU are not driving people away from Christ. I believe the people Carey refers to are ‘Christians’ who keep themselves separated from the ‘broken’ people of this world, and unlike Christ, do not try to befriend others who may be ‘outside the Church family’. If you love Jesus Christ and are doing your best to follow his example, let me assure you He is right there beside you and certainly not blaming you for driving people away from Him.

      Please look after yourself and continue your therapy. And please don’t look at yourself as ‘broken’. You are someone who is ‘on the mend’, with the help of your friend, Jesus Christ, and His team of helpers. Wishing you the strength of hope in 2020.

      May “The Lord bless you and keep you; the Lord make his face shine on you and be gracious to you; the Lord turn his face toward you and give you peace.” Numbers 6:24-26

    • Samantha Love on March 2, 2020 at 10:03 am

      Aurora – She is a famous artist who has autism – for no reason except pure love and wanting to share a great artist and music with you – by the way you are not broken all we need is to find all the pieces and put you back together with love – I was a Catholic gone Christian, studied at the Christian Family Church and i saw a lot of darkness in the church and cried for months, i was only a project asd they called me and my “demons” – i call them guides anyway people will always fear what they do not understand and most will not understand you and that IS OKAY anyway – don’t see your autism, deep trauma, and complex PTSD, ability to create friendships as problems but use them to guide you on your life path – then i studied all religions and cultures and loved how connected we all were without even knowing and you are apart of the circle of Unconditional Love even with your challenges – they make your life far more important and your lessons, harder and your lessons will be rewarded but do not allow anyone to break you down for being beautiful and special – I am now a spiritualist and i unconditionally love – like the dog who has been kicked too many times but still would be there for my owner on his darkest of days – YOU HAVE THE ABILITY just this world DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO COMPREHEND your amazing spirit. Peace, Light and Love be to you Jon. – I do not know you but feel you. Be kind to yourself because the world is harsh enough on people who are not fitting into their “normal” society okay.

    • Terry on March 2, 2020 at 11:00 am

      Jon, I have a brother with Asperger’s Syndrome, who has never been able to support himself financially or form lasting friendships; but this does not make him a mistake. The people we perceive as having “disabilities” may in fact have a capacity to be closer to God than the rest of us can imagine. I would echo Carey’s and Kathy’s words and encourage you to press into Christ and continue becoming who He would have you to be, not what the world says you should be. When all is said and done we are all broken at some level, but acknowledging this is the first step toward becoming whole. As the apostle James wrote, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”

    • Margie Wright on March 20, 2020 at 8:20 am

      Hi Jon
      I understand autism having been a special Ed teacher for 30+years. We need to pray that God will place people in your life who ‘get you’. Yes Christians should love u conditionally but many are not so good at it. Also as u said it is difficult for you simply because of who you are. You are a unique wonderfully made man of God. Jesus is your best friend and I will pray He will be all you need Yet bless you will individuals who will become true friends in Christ Do not give up. We are to always hope for life’s challenges to improve. Certainly the Lord knows your need and He Will meet it. God bless and k ow others are praying for you!!

  24. Patricia Cowan on February 7, 2020 at 5:23 pm

    Be more like Jesus and don’t breed. Even better walk in the desert for 40 yrs. None will be missed.

    • Terri on April 8, 2020 at 3:27 am

      Patricia are you referring to the article in general because the posts immediately above yours are dealing with a vulnerable person with literal language issues? If you are offended by general Christianity or have been hurt by individual people who supposedly followed that faith, I’m so sorry that’s happened to you. Please remember that not everyone is identical however. Not every American is the same, or every white person, and the same goes for every large group of people who share something. The above article questions judgement. My non Christian upbringing was very judgemental. I found acceptance in this faith & started learning how to love. Now that’s a good thing whatever the setting isn’t it? Credit the good stuff, change the bad. That’s something everyone of any belief /philosophical persuasion can embrace to improve things. Many people feel like they are wandering the wilderness & are in pain. Many others expect people to conform to a narrow view of what they are comfortable with and hurt people. Words can build or destroy. Maybe we should all just be more responsible & think about the consequences of our words and actions…. what do you think?

      • Terry on April 8, 2020 at 5:18 am

        Terri, well-said.

  25. Brian Harrison on January 17, 2020 at 8:39 am

    Jesus was welcomed by a few. He had just 12 Disciples. One of which Judas Iscariot betrayed him with a kiss on the cheek for 30 pieces of silver. Matthew 26: 14-15 Filled with remorse he returned the money to the Temple. Shortly there after he went into a farm field and hung himself. Where the term “bought the farm” comes from. Acts 1:18. Even the Sadducee’s and Pharisees (Chief Priests) accused him of many things. Mark 15:3.
    Jesus knew that to follow his teachings and his way would not be acceptable to many. Matthew 16:24-26 Jesus said “take up your cross and follow me”.
    Jesus was just too tolerant for the rules of that day and time. They didn’t care for the people he associated with. Jesus said “I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
    Read the above scriptures closely. John 8:31-32 the truth will set you free.
    May Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior find what I have written here acceptable. Let me get out of the way. Amen

    • Nga on January 17, 2020 at 4:25 pm

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  26. Liz on January 4, 2020 at 6:36 pm

    I came across this post when I googled “How do I stop hating people as a Christian?” I didn’t have any single person or group of people in mind when I wrote that. It’s just a general feeling of dislike for people at large, especially in large groups. (I get very, very frustrated in traffic, as you can imagine.)

    I’m a Christian, but people in general get on my last nerve. They didn’t used to when I was younger, but the older I get, the more irksome and frustrating I find the human population. From constant bad news on the Internet, to having to deal with inexperienced or irate people at fast-food restaurants, to dealing with people who DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DRIVE OR WHERE THEY ARE GOING, I just feel a constant wave of dislike bordering and sometimes crossing over into actual hatred.

    Like I said, it’s not any specific group of people. Just a general sort of thing. I don’t like feeling like this, but it’s how things have been recently.

    What’s worse, part of me doesn’t want to change. :/ I know that’s terrible, and I know that attitude can send me to Hell if I keep it up. But I’m just so, so tired of people being….imperfect. (Yes, even myself. I get incredibly irritated with my own imperfections as well. I don’t mean sin, though that’s frustrating, too. I mean like accidentally spilling a little soda when I’m trying to pour it into a glass, or dropping something, or whatever. Little things.)

    Full disclosure, I haven’t frequented church in a while, and have had a very rough 2019. Loss of a parent, a major surgery, losing a job…it’s all kind of built up. So it could all have something to do with all of that.

    Anyroad, I feel like my candle burned itself out after I lit both ends and the middle a long time ago. How do I get a new candle? Where can I find it? Because I sure would like one..

    • vince on January 5, 2020 at 1:16 am

      That is a tough one. Know one knows how you are feeling better than you (except Jesus) so it is very hard for anyone to give advice/help. We are in a spiritual battle each day….God is love/goodness,…..Satan is bad, evil, and wants you to suffer. Sometimes we just have to lower the stress level, try to stop worrying, don’t sweat the small stuff, etc etc but even after trying all those things we sometimes feel terrible and do not always know exactly why. God is in charge of this messed up world and we should be thankful for each day and pray each day for peace in our lives. We cannot control everything but should have faith God has it under control….he has a plan….he is all knowing….

    • Kathy on January 18, 2020 at 11:56 pm

      Hi Liz. I am so sorry you have had such a tough year in 2019 and I can truly, personally, understand the way you have been feeling. However, the fact that you did your particular search and ended up here seems to indicate that part of you does want to change. I think that is part of the whole healing process after being through a very rough year of stressful things all piling on top of each other in your life. I am sure you can find a way to “get a new candle”. Speak kindly to yourself and nurture yourself before you try to deal with all those frustrating people around you. Just because you have not frequented church in while (I am in the same boat) does not mean that help from God is not available to you. You do not have to go to church to have a personal relationship with Him if you wish it. Seek out some grief counselling, because it sounds like you may need some to help you cope with the loss of your parent, as well as your major health issues – all these things can cause grief, anger and depression. Sometimes just having a chat with someone who understands can give you enormous support and help you to find peace. All the best for 2020. May you receive many blessings.

    • Doug williamson on January 20, 2020 at 9:48 am

      Have you ever tried meditation? I started many years ago in conjunction with yoga practice. Once you learn how to calm your mind and center yourself you will find your life falling into place, being at the right place at the right time. Eat healthy food and take time for yourself. Enjoy nature wherever you find it. Make a plan for your future, map out the steps and follow your path.

      • vince on January 20, 2020 at 10:19 am

        Yes meditation…necessary for peace. Maybe if we all have more peace and love we will all get along much better and make the world a better place. Enough hate out there….too much….we need peace for a happy life

      • Nzinga on January 27, 2020 at 12:03 pm

        Hello, Doug Williamson! I’m just trying to understand your advice. What did you mean by meditation?
        Are you talking about meditation on God’s Word?

        • Doug williamson on January 27, 2020 at 5:19 pm

          “God’s Word” is just what someone else wrote and trying to meditate through that lens will distort your experience. I am not a teacher but meditation is like ridig a bike, once you know how, you know how forever.

      • Ed on March 1, 2020 at 10:05 am

        Aliester Crowley wrote a book about yoga it is a pagan practice stop doing it and don’t follow new age christianity.. You’re being warned. God Bless you and your family..

        • doug williamson on March 1, 2020 at 10:50 am

          Well, I suppose if you add whatever “pagan practice” means to active and coordinated breathing and stretching exercises then you would be correct. I simply listen to quiet music of windchimes, rain and ocean sounds while going thru my routine. I am healthier, more active and my life is incredibly well balanced as a result. Of course I eat right, don’t drink alcohol to excess and avoid toxic people when I can. I feel sorry for the modern Christian (or Jew or Muslim or Hindu, etc.) that is searching their religion for answers. The answer is within you, but you have to ask the correct questions.
          If Christianity is so awesome, why are there so many Christian Apologists?
          Living without the burden of false faiths allows one to live in the moment and enjoy the pleasures and pains of the gift of life.

          • vince on March 1, 2020 at 11:55 am

            Christianity is so awesome because God is so awesome….no other reason. There are apologists only for those who do not believe in Jesus/God and need to hear why others believe. Belief in God is far far from a blind faith, it is faith in a person who is also God himself. The problem many have is they cannot accept the supernatural…..what God is and how he works. Yes, you must have faith to believe, but there is a person and much evidence to have reason to believe and we all have the same choice in life. If what Jesus said is true, we have eternal life with him. What will you do? What will you choose? The most important question in your life faces you……..



          • Hannah Jones on April 11, 2020 at 10:31 pm

            Jesus was a man. Some called him the son of god. He said we are all children of god. Jesus is dead. He is not now, nor ever was god. Those who worship dead guys are cultists. If you really believe in heaven and an afterlife with jesus, you would be standing in line to get the covid virus to help you on your merry, christian way.



          • Terry on April 13, 2020 at 8:35 am

            Actually Hanna, we’re no more eager to die than anyone else…not because we fear death but because we still have work to do (and people to love) here. If God killed us or we bumped ourselves off right after conversion, there would be nobody left to tell others about Jesus and what He did for us. And there would be far fewer people doing the work of helping others, so that the world would be a much darker, selfish and evil place. In fact the logical extreme of welcoming death would be to kill our babies so that they could just go straight to heaven and not have to deal with the evils of life. Of course that idea is ridiculous but it demonstrates that life is still precious even to those of us who believe in an afterlife.

            But Jesus never said that all people are God’s children…just those who choose to be.



      • Terri on April 8, 2020 at 2:21 pm

        Hi Doug
        I’ve been reading a lot of your posts with interest. You are absolutely right about needing to understand the Bible text and the way it reads can seem fantastical. One of the issues Western readers have is reading the text through 21 st Century eyes. While it can still inspire & help so many there’s a lot more sense to be found when it is studied with regard to context, original language, audience intended and writers intention of each separate book written. (As all writing should be read) A member of my family has noticed how revolutionary original Judaism was when viewed in the context of the belief systems of the times. One example being that thinking was largely cyclical like the Seasons. “In the beginning” suddenly becomes a mind blowing concept for the peoples of that time. Genesis was written for them not as an explanation of how the Earth came to be for us. For slaves with mixed up ideas coming out of slavery in Egypt. It’s too detailed & lengthy to go into here unfortunately but I’d like you to risk reading a book if you would because I don’t think you are a narrow close minded individual but possibly a man who wants intelligent well thought out responses from people who question things. ” In the beginning we misunderstood..” Johnny V Miller. Written by Christians I hasten to add.
        I also agree that Christian history is full of errors / awful things done in the name of Christ. I’m sorry that even now we fail ourselves, others and Jesus himself. Our aim is to become Christlike. That’s a huge ambition if you actually study His life and nature but in the trying/ along the way we improve which is surely a good thing. We vary as to how far off the mark we are when we start the journey depending on personality and background. The offer is after all open to all people. The history of all humanity is often, sad, enraging, disappointing. Whenever man puts self first the consequences are rarely positive. This is true of churches, particularly when led by the State, by ruthless self serving individuals taking over what is robbed by becoming institutionalised. It is sadly the basic nature of man to serve self. We are at our best when we learn to serve others.
        I am glad you find happiness in the day, in so many beautiful things that exist in life. Life should be viewed as a gift since we don’t know how much or little we have. I hope at the end of all your discourses you find that there is a place for reason and people who think and question within Christianity and still remain in it, not because they were brought up to it necessarily but because in the active pursuit of Christ they find a genuine relationship that mends the damaged person, strengthens the weak & provides a hope that enables them to get through some really awful times. That’s a pretty great thing to discover wherever in the world it is discovered. It would be interesting to compare American cultural influences to African on current Christianity for example & strip away those influences to get to the heart of it. I wish you well.

        • Doug williamson on April 9, 2020 at 9:28 am

          thank you. I hope you and yours stay safe through this pandemic.
          may you live long and prosper

          • Terri on April 9, 2020 at 11:55 am

            I hope you & yours stay safe too Doug
            I’m sure many people will come through this crisis wiser & hopefully things will change for the better.
            Peace and long life to you too.



        • vince on April 12, 2020 at 4:36 pm

          Jesus was dead yes, but no longer if you actually look in to it. The Bible is unique…more than any other book in history. It tells of miracles witnessed by hundreds, prophecies written by many authors over hundreds and hundreds of years then later fulfilled in Jesus life. The odds of even 8 of those prophecies being fulfilled in one person are 1 in 10 to the seventeenth power, (according to scientists),,and there were a few hundred prophecies fulfilled in Jesus. You can ignore it, or look in to it. It would seem wise that if this is all true you may want to at least be aware of it before making any kind of intelligent decision. Even atheist historians agree the tomb of Jesus was guarded by several Roman guards, sealed,corded off, and Jesus body was in the tomb…dead. Then the tomb was empty again witnessed by people. You have a right to your opinions…but hopefully they are informed opinions…

          • Hannah Jones on April 12, 2020 at 5:40 pm

            vince, i don’t know which version of the bible you are referring to here, there have been so many over the centuries .. .. .. in the 16th century when the stories of Jesus and the promise of an afterlife made their way to the English countryside, the impoverished, low class servants of King James thought their lives were going to finally change for the better, imagine it! heaven, the land of milk and honey, no problems, no work, no disease, and how do you get there? all you have to do is die!!! the suicide rate among his starving throngs got King James all freaked out! he ordered his scholars to put an amendment in the bible making suicide a sin .. .. .. you cannot get to heaven if you kill yourself, ha! and so ended the hopes and dreams of those wretched masses .. .. .. looks like many re-writes to the King James version have occurred in the latter part of the 20th century and this century as well, Jesus is now god himself and if you die a fully-bedazzled mormon, you not only get to go to heaven, you get to be a god in your own heaven! holy cow! what’s next?



    • gail on March 22, 2020 at 10:33 am

      Liz, it sounds to me like you may be dealing with depression. You have had a very rough year and it has probably taken a toll on your health. Be kind to yourself now, be patient with yourself you are walking through a lot and sound depleted. Perhaps seeing a doctor and taking some medication will help. Take on a healthy lifestyle like eating healthy, excise etc. Talk to God, tell Him how your feeling He loves and cares for you. Seek some help.

      • vince on April 13, 2020 at 12:12 pm

        H. Jones…The BIble was written over a 1500 year period by 40 authors with the central message being that God wants a relationship with us, wants us to know him,and we can have eternal life. The Bible was translated from the original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic languages not “other ” translations you mention. These source texts are based on thousands of ancient manuscripts. The accuracy of the Bible has been confirmed by the Dead Sea scrolls discovered in Israel in 1947. These scrolls were 1000 years older than any existing manuscripts at the time and matched 99.5% in accuracy. The .5% inaccuracy was sentence structure and spelling that did not change the meaning in any way. The New Testament has 5000 hand written copies. Far far more than any other book in history. I think 900 is the second place by Aristotle. The Bible was written by 40 authors over a thousand years and all authors say the same basic thing. Historians of all beliefs agree to it’s accuracy. If you want to be sure, the evidence is here for the looking. It is far far more than many people realize or take the time to really find out. It is there for all of us to see…..

    • Shelley on April 12, 2020 at 9:27 am

      Know that you are not alone. God is with you through every thought. Keep on the path Liz.

  27. Albert R Begin on January 3, 2020 at 9:29 am

    I can sum up the distinction between my faith and that of Christians. As a humanist I believe that we are inherently good and turned “evil” by circumstances, which can be mitigated via education. Christians believe that we are inherently evil and need salvation. I abandoned Christianity at age seven when I was informed about “original sin”.

    • Terry on January 3, 2020 at 10:25 am

      Albert…you are correct in your distinction, but I wonder what your definition of “original sin” is. For some reason many people assume this to be sex, which is not supported by scripture at all (Sex itself is, but not it being original sin). But if you mean that people are inherently evil, then your understanding is correct. There’s a reason we don’t have to teach children to lie, steal, use foul language, be disrespectful, etc., as they’re already inclined to do these things. Rather we have to show them why there are negative consequences even if there’s an initial payout. But even with education to mitigate the evil, any future “good” cannot rectify a spirit that is already contaminated by past evil. I don’t know to what extent small children are held accountable and I think it varies with the individual. But it took a perfect life – which only Jesus lived – to accomplish this “cleansing”. That is why we need salvation.

      • Doug williamson on January 4, 2020 at 10:24 pm

        Salvation is just something people made up so they can feel better about having done something wrong. All of those of you studying endlessly looking for answers you’ll never find should go have a latte and start enjoying this life while you can.

        • vince on January 4, 2020 at 11:23 pm

          I lived your life at one time…much much better now..and I am not the only one…God changes lives

        • r c jordan on May 10, 2020 at 9:04 pm

          For they reasoned unsoundly, saying to themselves,
          “Short and sorrowful is our life,
          and there is no remedy when a man comes to his end,
          and no one has been known to return from Hades.
          2 Because we were born by mere chance,
          and hereafter we shall be as though we had never been;
          because the breath in our nostrils is smoke,
          and reason is a spark kindled by the beating of our hearts.
          3 When it is extinguished, the body will turn to ashes,
          and the spirit will dissolve like empty air.
          4 Our name will be forgotten in time,
          and no one will remember our works;
          our life will pass away like the traces of a cloud,
          and be scattered like mist
          that is chased by the rays of the sun
          and overcome by its heat.
          5 For our allotted time is the passing of a shadow,
          and there is no return from our death,
          because it is sealed up and no one turns back.
          6 “Come, therefore, let us enjoy the good things that exist,
          and make use of the creation to the full as in youth.
          7 Let us take our fill of costly wine and perfumes,
          and let no flower of spring pass by us.
          8 Let us crown ourselves with rosebuds before they wither.
          9 Let none of us fail to share in our revelry,
          everywhere let us leave signs of enjoyment,
          because this is our portion, and this our lot.
          10 Let us oppress the righteous poor man;
          let us not spare the widow
          nor regard the gray hairs of the aged.
          11 But let our might be our law of right,
          for what is weak proves itself to be useless.
          12 “Let us lie in wait for the righteous man,
          because he is inconvenient to us and opposes our actions;
          he reproaches us for sins against the law,
          and accuses us of sins against our training.
          13 He professes to have knowledge of God,
          and calls himself a child[a] of the Lord.
          14 He became to us a reproof of our thoughts;
          15 the very sight of him is a burden to us,
          because his manner of life is unlike that of others,
          and his ways are strange.
          16 We are considered by him as something base,
          and he avoids our ways as unclean;
          he calls the last end of the righteous happy,
          and boasts that God is his father.
          17 Let us see if his words are true,
          and let us test what will happen at the end of his life;
          18 for if the righteous man is God’s son, he will help him,
          and will deliver him from the hand of his adversaries.
          19 Let us test him with insult and torture,
          that we may find out how gentle he is,
          and make trial of his forbearance.
          20 Let us condemn him to a shameful death,
          for, according to what he says, he will be protected.”
          Error of the Wicked
          21 Thus they reasoned, but they were led astray,
          for their wickedness blinded them,
          22 and they did not know the secret purposes of God,
          nor hope for the wages of holiness,
          nor discern the prize for blameless souls;
          23 for God created man for incorruption,
          and made him in the image of his own eternity,[b]
          24 but through the devil’s envy death entered the world,
          and those who belong to his party experience it.
          [Wisdom, ch. 2]

    • Kathy Konkle on January 15, 2020 at 12:59 pm

      My take on Christianity is that man doesn’t have a brain powerful enough to understand what God is or what God wants any more than you can teach physics to an Earthworm. Anyone who claims to know what God is or what God wants is a liar and a manipulator.

      I’m not an atheist but I refuse to belong to any organized religion because of all the harm they do with their “them vs us” mentality. “I’ll pray for you” means “I don’t approve of you and I use God as my weapon to try and intimidate you.” “Bless you” basically means “fuck you” if said to someone the “Christian” doesn’t agree with. Many of today’s so-called Christians are “ChristoFascists” and the Evangelicals are off their rockers. The rampant hypocrisy and pushiness of the “Christians” is appalling. “Christian” support for Trump and/or the GOP is unforgivable. One thing I’ve learned since the 2016 US election is that many “Christians” are racists.

      Believe whatever you want but leave me out of it, get out of my face and out of my government. It’s way past time to tax the churches. Supposedly they have tax-exempt status because they do charity but I see little evidence of that. The best thing Christians could do to remedy their bad reputation would be to just shut up and keep their beliefs to themselves and stop trying to push their religion on others. Live and let live and keep in mind that Jesus was NOT a Christian.

      • Terry on January 15, 2020 at 4:30 pm

        Wow…You had me with that first sentence, but it pretty much went downhill from there.

        “Man doesn’t have a brain powerful enough to understand what God is or what God wants any more than you can teach physics to an Earthworm”

        I SO agree…this is why we have so many conflicting religions claiming to know how to attain enlightenment, nirvana, moksha, etc…and this is why it’s such a good thing God came to us to teach us about Himself, and gave us a book with a tiny snippet of this knowledge which is enough to study for a lifetime.

        As for the rest…I don’t think you’ve actually met many real Christians if the second paragraph is your impression. Get out of your government? So, you’d rather have a government with no moral standards, akin to fascist Germany, the USSR, communist China, the Ayatollahs or the Taliban? You see little evidence of charitable work by Christians…um, how about the hundreds of inner-city homeless shelters and soup kitchens? Or the international organizations that provide disaster relief and food and clothing to children and poverty-stricken families, which are supported by churches and individual Christians – Samaritan’s Purse? Compassion International? Food for the Poor? We should shut up and stop trying to push our religion on others? How is trying to live our lives the best we can while sharing the best news ever, “pushing” anything?

        Your last sentence was the only other correct one, as obviously Jesus could not have followed Himself.

        • Doug williamson on January 16, 2020 at 7:24 am

          We don’t need religion to have a moral compass. The most corrupt governments are run by religious people. The judeo/christian idea of god is pretty warped. By your own admission one needs 100s or 1000s of hours of study to understand it. So the good news is there are no half wits or illiterates in the next life.
          Try to live a year without religion or hoping some supernatural being is going to solve your problems. It is liberating.

          • Terry on January 16, 2020 at 10:05 am

            I didn’t say one needs thousands of hours to understand the Bible, just that one could spend a lifetime studying it as there is always more to learn. What people need to understand is pretty much on the surface, but they complicate it by trying to twist and distort the passages that require lifestyle or attitude changes, or don’t fit their concept of what “God” should be like. And yes, we do need belief in a unchanging, supernatural being in order to have a moral compass. Otherwise, what would we base our morals on? History has proven that humans are too fickle and selfish to be trustworthy in this regard – ergo ethnic cleansing, institutionalized racism, slavery, and other atrocities that have been deemed at one point or another to be good, right and even “natural”. But even if I tried to live without God for a year, He would not allow it. I don’t expect Him to fix all my problems; I expect Him to fix ME.



          • vince on January 16, 2020 at 11:25 am

            The simple message of the Bible is believe in Jesus as Lord and saviour and you will have everlasting life. The rest of the “study” just gives more reason to believe and helps you grow in faith and knowledge. The Bible is the most unique book in history. The guide book of life and where our morals come from. As mentioned left to ourselves morality could have many meanings. God loves us all and wants the best for us and the Bible repeats that over and over. Called the “Good Book” for good reason….



          • Kathy Konkle on January 16, 2020 at 12:05 pm

            If you live in the USA you might benefit from studying about our founding fathers. The country was founded on freedom of religion and that also means freedom FROM religion. There are over 200 religions practiced in the US and the Christians hold no monopoly on God even though they would like everyone to think that. Christians think their religion is the only right religion. They have no place in government. NONE. You are really out of line even suggesting that Christians in government would create a more “moral” society when they have proven over and over to have exactly the opposite effect. Oppression and attack on everyone NOT Christian is all they will ever achieve and NO ONE will be converted to believe in the Bible just because you try and force it on us. Worship any way you please but leave me out of it and I mean it. I will fight to the death to keep our country from adopting a National Religion. How would you like it if I had the power to decide that the National Religion would be Muslim? or that we should all be Sufis or Buddhists? You don’t like that do you? Selfishness and self-involvement is a characteristic of Christianity and so much suffering has been caused by Christians pushing their religion on others. I never hated Christians until they supported the Trump monster. I learned a new word this year. “Christofascists” That’s what they are. Moral Majority indeed. Ha! That’s a laugh.



          • vince on March 22, 2020 at 11:27 am

            Religion has little to do with God. In the name of religion, many have been killed in history and has caused great confusion. Jesus of the Bible is unique and claims over and over he is God….the one and only….NO others. Jesus came that we may have life eternal, and he is love as he has said. Forces of evil will confuse man, God never will. So we are in a battle of good vs evil. If you believe in God, you can fight this evil and win. Without God you ultimately lose. We all have the same information before us to make a choice. God loves us all…..



        • Kathy Konkle on January 16, 2020 at 11:18 am

          If you live in the USA you might benefit from studying about our founding fathers. The country was founded on freedom of religion and that also means freedom FROM religion. There are over 200 religions practiced in the US and the Christians hold no monopoly on God even though they would like everyone to think that. Christians think their religion is the only right religion. They have no place in government. NONE. You are really out of line even suggesting that Christians in government would create a more “moral” society when they have proven over and over to have exactly the opposite effect. Oppression and attack on everyone NOT Christian is all they will ever achieve and NO ONE will be converted to believe the nonsense in the Bible just because you try and force it on us. Worship any way you please but leave me out of it and I mean it. I will fight to the death to keep our country from adopting a National Religion. How would you like it if I had the power to decide that the National Religion would be Muslim? or that we should all be Sufis or Buddhists? You don’t like that do you? Selfishness and self-involvement is a characteristic of Christianity and so much suffering has been caused by Christians pushing their religion on others. I never hated Christians until they supported the Trump monster. I learned a new word this year. “Chritofascists” That’s what they are. Moral Majority indeed. Ha! That’s a laugh.

          • vince on January 16, 2020 at 11:33 am

            It came down to a choice between 2 people. One pro abortion, one pro life. No people are perfect and neither are Christians. People left to their own judgement will see what THEY want to see, not what really is in many cases. Corruption comes when morality goes away. Our founding Fathers based this country on Christian values and we have been slowly turning away from those and you can see the results. Selfishness is not a Christian trait. Love is but again, people are not perfect…….God is



          • kathy konkle on January 16, 2020 at 12:11 pm

            It’s best for me to just avoid Christians altogether because they are so pompous and self-righteous it’s infuriating. It’s a fact that most Atheists know way more about Christianity and other religions because unlike most Christians they don’t just take it “on faith” they actually learn about other religions. have you read the Quran? I have. have you studied Buddhism? Hinduism? ANYTHING? Have you ever even read the “Sermon on the Mount”? Not very likely based on the behavior of the so-called Christians today.

            I already regret signing up for this page and I’m out of here. I don’t want to talk to such narrow-minded self-involved hateful people who still think that their religion is the only “good” one. Disgusting. Goodbye.
            And NO you are NOT going to install Christianity as a US state religion. Not as long as I’m alive to fight back.



          • Kathy Konkle on January 16, 2020 at 1:00 pm

            Vince writes: “Our founding Fathers based this country on Christian values” That’s completely untrue. They based our Consitution on the right to practice religion in any way you please. The biggest lie Christians enjoy telling is that this was founded as a “Christian” nation. It plain and simple WAS NOT. Please go back and learn something about the forming of this country.

            Please if you want to belong to the cult known as Christianity thankfully you are free to do so but stop pushing your religion on others. All you’ll get is push back and a good smackdown which you would deserve. And NO that’s not “persecution” that’s self-protection from unwanted assaults and advances form hateful people who think their religion is the only one or the best one. Saying “Happy Holidays” is not an insult to Christians. It’s being fair and inclusive of all the other religions that are practiced in the US that have holidays around the same time as the Christians do. If you actually knew anything about your own religion you would know that much of it is based on far older Pagan rituals. Since the GOP is pure evil and claiming Christians as their vile “base” I’ve gone from tolerating Christians to hating them. Is that what you want? That’s what you’re asking for so don’t whine if we hate you for your obnoxiousness.



          • Terry on January 17, 2020 at 5:37 am

            To Kathy Konkle…I actually wouldn’t want a “Christian” government, as this would create problems of its own. I’ve seen it in the former USSR, where the Russian Orthodox Church has taken over the Russian Parliament so that even other Christian denominations have to jump through hoops to do any charitable work. The idea of our Founding Fathers was that there should be no state-mandated religion like the Church of England, but that everyone should be free to practice as he chooses – or not at all as you say. At the same time, Separation of Church and State (which isn’t in our founding documents but was coined by Thomas Jefferson) doesn’t mean that religion should not influence government; it should and must in order for people to have moral societies. And I do maintain that countries with historically “Christian” societies and governments have more freedoms and higher moral standards overall. North America, Western Europe and Australia are where women have the greatest freedoms and equality with men, where governments take things like sex-trafficking seriously rather than sweep them under the rug, and where people are least likely to be persecuted for not following the “majority’s” religion (like Islam). The problem we’re running into more and more here in the US is that conflicting belief systems mean differing moral standards, so that what you may perceive as “forcing” or oppression is simply Christians having to push back just to maintain our right to practice as we believe – e.g., not being forced to participate in a gay wedding or acknowledge a biological male as a female. As for studying other religions, I have read sections of the Quran and been exposed to Hinduism and Buddhism in school. I even had a conversation with a Bahai classmate. As I mentioned above, most faiths are about man reaching God (or some godlike state) by being good enough or following a particular code, whereas Christianity is about God coming to us. The difference is that simple. From your comments it looks like you’ve signed off to go be angry and won’t be reading this, but for the rest here it seemed a response was called for.



          • wade on March 11, 2020 at 5:56 pm

            this Kathy Konkle lady is crazy. America was built on Christian values and Donald trump is one of the most successful presidents to ever be in office. also Christians don’t force people to change religion they just introduce it to them. we Christians acknowledge that every one is on a journey and no matter where they are in that journey or what lifestyle (I belive Christianity is more of a lifestyle and less of a religion) they have they are welcome in Christian churches. concerning islam, I would recommend the book seeking allah finding jesus as that is about a mans faith journey from islam to Christianity. Also can you tell me what is bad about trump other than his more than usual usage of twitter cos I really wanna know? there’s no way Biden or Bernie is gonna be president. I can see your good at writing but your lacking in the knowledge department.



      • James Costich on February 1, 2020 at 9:07 pm

        It would be so nice if we could just tell religious extremists to keep it all in a closet where the rest of us don’t have to look at it but that’s not safe, sane or practical. People who teach their children to hate or else their god will burn them for all are abusing children. Those who value all life, those who want their tax dollars to go toward protecting all citizens including children can’t allow this. It does humanity no good at all to turn a blind eye to atrocity just because it has a “religion” label on it. We do far too much of that in the USA. The result is that currently things passing as “religion” are getting away with sexual abuse, rape, pedophilia and a whole lot of sado-masochism while pointing a finger of hate at LGBT and intersex people. Things claiming “religion” are getting away with teaching people utter bullshit while making laughably outrageous statements about reality that go way over the line to delusional thinking, again with the threat of damnation as incentive. We have every form of violence perpetrated against innocents in ways that fly in the face of the teachings of Jesus claimed in the Gospels at the hands of those who claim to be wallowing in holy blood. We don’t have to treat that kind of behavior and “theology”, (what could be more obscene than prosperity “theology”?) as if it’s legit, or as if it deserves respect. It doesn’t. Religion can and should be held accountable for it’s morals and ethics.

        • vince on February 2, 2020 at 10:46 am

          Wow….first off God is love and never condones hate. Treat others as you would have them treat you he says. People are the problem not God. God has a plan for us if we can only see it and believe it. It is simple and is not forced on anyone. How anyone can take a message of love and turn it to hate is amazing. God says in his word we are in a spiritual battle here….good vs evil. It is very clear to those looking closely we are in exactly that. Hopefully we can find a way to live with our differences and not hate each other in this world. Peace is a rare thing these days. God is our only hope……..

          • SJ on July 20, 2020 at 6:17 am

            I think there are lotta verses in the Bible that would disagree with this notion.… I can list several if you’d like. I’ll just drop three for you to address immediately and send more down the line:
            Psalm 137:8-9 (Saying that in the war of Israel lights and Babylonians, the chosen people should be overjoyed to throw infants against rocks)
            Isaiah: 9-16 (A holy prophets stating that God is condoning him to go on a murderous, rapacious rampage because a certain people do not believe in the word of God, and therefore must be punished)
            Judges 18:1-29 (God allowing the Israelites to completely slaughter a village of innocent people in order to give the chosen people a place to live)



        • Doug williamson on February 3, 2020 at 7:39 am

          Well said.

        • Sheila on July 20, 2020 at 8:17 pm

          So someone that says he wants to grab them by the pussy is a great president to Christians??? What??? I really do not understand at all.

      • wade on March 11, 2020 at 6:04 pm

        we can tell your good at writing but you just need to do some actual research on the topics your covering. find some true evidence that supports your views and I’ll believe you

  28. Terry on December 30, 2019 at 8:43 pm

    Can I flag this post as inappropriate? Honestly, do people really expect to generate business with these sleazy tactics?

    • Jake Tisnik on April 10, 2020 at 5:06 pm

      Truth hurts… And this your pathetic comment is a proof that this post IS actually true.

      You Christians are judgemental hypocrites. Your favourite spending of time is to hate and judge everything and everyone what/who isn’t exactly how you wanna them be.
      You should LOVE everything and everyone. Not hate like you do. But I know that hating is easier.

      This article wasn’t written to “generate business with sleazy tactics”. It was written so you evil people who consider yourself better than others

      • Jake Tisnik on April 10, 2020 at 5:18 pm

        … thought about how they act and tried to change and be actually Christians. Not just jerks who call themselves Christians to boost their egos.

      • Terry on April 10, 2020 at 7:42 pm

        Jake…That comment was written under an obvious spam post, not in response to this article. My own comment should have been deleted as well as it is no longer needed.

    • Terry on April 10, 2020 at 7:44 pm

      I posted this below but I’d like to ask the moderator that my above comment in regard to the spam post (and this one) be removed as it no longer applies.

      • Jake Tisnik on April 11, 2020 at 9:47 am

        OK, then I’m sorry. 🙂

  29. Ntrinsic Protreptic on December 14, 2019 at 3:44 am

    Honestly, as someone who has around 400 to 500 scriptures memorized in three translations, I feel it is safe for me to say that there are several things not in alignment with sound doctrine. I think that’s dangerous. It is like raising one’s self above the authority of the apostles and prophets. There is an order, biblically speaking. I think too the fact that I’ve been a teacher in a church for over four years adds a little bit of credibility to my assertion.
    However, before I get into that, there are things that I agree with such as leading in love is better than judgement without mercy, which is or relates to James 2:13. I have found it’s good to put the scriptures because the majority of Christians don’t actually know the Bible in its entirety.
    As a straight A psych major going into the field of counseling and social work, I know how important it is to have a good understanding of human nature and behavior and how deep some issues go. One shouldn’t pretend to be a psychologist because that’s dangerous. I see that often from people and their lack of knowledge is very obvious. But people open up when they see that someone truly cares and so it must be real. Fear of judgment causes people to shrink back as does shame if they are not strong enough to accept criticism. Many are broken already. They do not believe they have value or are loved. But like I said, I agree with some things.
    My disagreement is on friendships. Paul said in second Corinthians 6 starting at verse 15 that light and darkness do not mix in speaking of human relationships. Again in 1 Corinthians 15 verse 33 Paul’s speaks about bad company corrupting good morality and to be sober minded and stop sinning for some have no knowledge of God and this was written to shame. This is truth and also social psychology. Even the elephants are wise enough to discern their surroundings and understand when something is off. As someone who was atheist until 30 and also a drug dealer and user, I can assure you that it’s not always good to have friendships with nonbelievers. I hurt people. People who wish to reach higher levels should have friends who are of the same mind. Now, I think it is good to associate with all people but only for a time or season in order to help, but there should be wisdom, prayer, and caution. God gives people a sound mind and wisdom. I also tempted many people into going further down into holes. I corrupted them. It often occurs slowly. You can see it when people began trying to fit in and if one does not curse when speaking I’ve seen them slowly begin to do that or mimic their behavior over time. I associate with the lowly as commanded by the apostle in Ronan’s twelve, and honor all people as commanded by the apostle in 1 Peter chapter 2 around 14 or 17, but I avoid doing what is not good and I exit before it goes down. The clever are always having to figure out ways to get out of problems, but the wise avoid them altogether. I have helped many by being a good example and not by lording over them as commanded by the apostle in 1 Peter chapter 5 by conducting myself in integrity. It is often to long-suffer which is written in Galatians 5 kjv or patience but long suffer puts depth to the process or how it goes. Many dwell in hedonistic pleasure, but as the apostle wrote in titus that those who live for pleasure are dead even though they live. Also Galatians 6 speaks on how one should rescue people out of their temptations and sin but in a spirit of gentleness and to be careful lest you fall into it also. People should be careful. Many do not know how deep darkness goes but ten years of meth addiction showed me a lot. Many are naïve. The result of being raised in church around relatively socially compliant people. I say that after recently writing a very large paper on organizational involvement and social deviancy. Also, Jesus helped people but told them a few times to go and sin no more lest something worse should occurs which is restated in other words in Galatians 6 about reaping what one sows. Also, John stated that he who is born of does not practice sinning any longer because Gods Spirit abides in him and that’s true but practice is the key word. I’ve read many books including the old mystics like John of the Cross and being a psych major I’ve read many books on that and philosophy. I agree with satisfaction being a life long process because flaws are constant, but I do not think they equal sin. Many do not even understand what sin even is. Anyway, I’ve already written too much lol, but enjoy writing. We need each other to edify and build each other up and that includes rebukes even sharp painful ones, as Dr. Carl Jung stated that nothing in the unconscious being brought into the conscious is without pain, but that causes growth and Paul said to rebuke the unruly and encourage the simple minded or faint hearted in Thessalonians 5. That also goes into Ephesians 5 around 14 about exposing peoples darkness so that it becomes light but going into Ephesians 4 the truth should be spoken in love and love going into 1 Corinthians 13; it has to be real and it’s even more powerful to lead the person there and let them become aware on their own because they can have ownership. That requires great skill. Anywho lol. Crazy I used to break windows out of churches and urinate on the doors and hated Christians and here I am taking about it haha, but God ya powerful and I feel that power saying it. They call it pneuma or the breath of God. Dynamis in acts 2:8 explosive and dynamic power. I learned much in one year which is a shame to many I meet who have been Christians for years. God honors time given in solitude to Him and that’s real and grants much inwardly. Peace.

    • Sundown on December 14, 2019 at 10:27 am

      Everything you said. I was also blessed because we have similar backgrounds and results in Christ. You Blessed me.

      • Ntrinsic Protreptic on December 14, 2019 at 12:56 pm

        That’s awesome! Always cool to meet people who come from a similar place. It strengthens the soul, I think, because it’s real and personal. It’s been my experience since June of 2015 that people who have come from the deepest darkness generally shine the brightest and are of a stronger faith and are more grateful, which goes into the parable of the two debtors from Luke 7 beginning at verse 35. I love that parable because a religious leader sees a woman who is unclean kissing Jesus’s feet and he thinks to himself that if Jesus was actually a prophet he’d know what type of woman was touching him, Christ knew what he was thinking and answered him with the parable. The one who had the largest debt would obviously love more and as He said he who is forgiven little will love little. Reminds me of the saying that the deepest valleys often produce the greatest fruits. Coming out of deep darkness often brings deep compassion for others in that darkness because it’s known or been known personally. I often find people who are broken gravitate to people like that. It’s a blessing but can become high pressured and develop into compassion fatigue or burnout, but there’s wisdom to learn from that. Good to stay balanced or know the seasons or when it’s time to rest and the time to work.

        I honestly didn’t even think anyone would read that. I was up reading while my son slept.

        So I’m going to assume, and I might be wrong, but we have somewhat similar personalities. I love reading deep things. I term the area psycho-spiritual. A year after my conversion a church hired me as a janitor though the evangelist said I was much more because immediately people began coming in off the street which was cool even though the leadership hated me for it out of jealousy. I was vacuuming one day in a back area and saw a book. I read one paragraph from the middle and immediately connect with the author. Up until that time I had felt so alone or different from others and it was refreshing to me to connect on the level where I was. I prayed to God to be able to read that book and put it down with a sadness in my heart and went back to work. Twenty minutes later I walked in the sanctuary and the evangelist stopped me. He said I have a book here I think you’d like and he gave me the book. It helped me so much and edified and built me up like discipleship. The book is called the best of fenelon. It’s on amazon. I give out copies sometimes so I know it’s there. Think you will love it.

        Also, all of A.W. Tozer’s books are awesome like the crucified life. There are not many left who preach like he did or write like he did. Also, John of the cross, Meister Eckhart, Thomas A Kempis, Thomas Aquinas are deep writes as well. They are catholic and I am not, but they were on a deeper level inwardly. All those books are pretty much on the inward life which is why I call it psycho-spiritual. The imitation of Christ is a good book along with the dark night of the soul. That one is about how a new convert is on fire and Godbus continually giving milk and maybe powerful signs are following, but eventually the milk is withdrawn in order to give strong meat and it appears to the individual as God withdrawing and as darkness. Interesting book which one who knows would understand and know that the knowledge has come from true experience and not religious tradition.

        Another book but one that’s not spiritual but that I like is mans search for meaning by Dr. Viktor Frankl, and the wisest person in the room by two social Psychologists from Harvard and Princeton. I love the science of individual and group behavior and that book is basically like a small view of that field from an academic perspective and is well written, but sometimes a little redundant, but it is interesting. Anyway, maybe someone will read this comment and find something useful to them or yourself, idk lol, but I hope you have a merry Christmas and a satisfying and favored life in what is and will be, and I don’t doubt that honestly, because it’s how it goes. Peace friend 🙂

        • Kathleen on December 16, 2019 at 10:52 pm

          Thank you! I love reading suggestions from others! Sometimes I find something that speaks to me… sometimes I find things that do not but even then I am enlightened as to where others are coming from. Sometimes I think that is even more valuable. You don’t have to agree to understand. When you understand you do not fear. When you do not fear you can love without hesitation. When you love without hesitation you are one step closer.

          • Ntrinsic Protreptic on December 16, 2019 at 11:13 pm

            Thanks Kathleen for that response. I really loved it. Had to read the bottom end a few times. I read all kinds of things too and don’t always agree with everything. I often find that in time I don’t always agree with myself lol. People are finicky by nature anyway. One day they lift you and the next day they drop you. Jeremiah said don’t trust in man, but have faith God (big paraphrase). That’s right above where he says blessed in the man who trust in the LORD whose trust is the LORD; he is like a tree planted by the stream and so on. In all your gaining; gain understanding. Understanding is the foundation of wisdom. Wisdom is the application of knowledge. I love that stuff. It says in proverbs that wisdom shouts in the streets. It can be found everywhere to the ones who seek and pay attention. And I agree; people only fear what they don’t understand. It’s truth. The prophet said God is the God of truth; and in new, the Spirit of truth, which the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him, because He abides in you and with you. Better helper than people though it’s my experience that they are often used and sometimes don’t even realize it. Anyways, thanks for sharing; it was nice and made me think. Communication is so powerful and so enriching when it’s used that way. Hope you have a really great Christmas and a great life. Peace friend 🙂



          • Alexis on April 26, 2020 at 8:12 am

            Ntrinsic! Your a real inspiration. Bless you!! I’m very new to Christianity but have had some spiritual background. But due to my past being similar to yours. I’m in deep battles within regarding my faith regarding my mind, confusion seems to be the majority state I’m in. I’m keeping the commandments. And reading like a woman obsessed. But struggling to understand what is going on inside. Im getting baptised once i can. I’d love to hear your difficulties and how you over came them at the beginning! Peace and love be with you!!



    • Randall on January 20, 2020 at 12:52 pm

      Sounds like you had your Saul to Paul moment. 🙂

    • Michael on January 28, 2020 at 4:20 am

      It’s those that have walked with the ones who others judged as condemned sinners, are the ons’s who God has granted access wisdom to so called “Christians” no nothing about. Jesus dwelled in their presence, with understanding and love but sin no more was his message. An example of our fathers plan. The “secret” is it’s an energy positive and negative. The “gift” free will is we have the choice to pick which one we want. Evil is an upstream battle and if u feel remorse or empathy your not true Evil. Evil is getting pleasure from the destruction of what is loved by God and positive energy. I’ve been to many churches, “invited” and go,but do not have one specific building I go to.I’ve been asked what am I looking for then? My reply is nothing! I’ve found it! and where I am and where I speak of my faith IS CHURCH!

      • Doug williamson on January 28, 2020 at 7:48 am

        It sounds as if you are very centered and secure in your belief. What would Jesus have said about Ying and Yang? Your first line bothers me though. Who is doing all this judging and determining who is a condemned sinner and who is not?
        Judge not, etc.

  30. Kathleen on December 7, 2019 at 1:39 pm

    I loved the article, thank you. Unfortunately, the time I spent reading the comments pretty much proved the whole point. I yearn to return to my Christian roots and find a place for my soul to heal and grow but, dear Lord, I am terrified by the Christians.

    I will buy the book… perhaps I will find a little sane direction within.

    Peace.

  31. Spanky on November 27, 2019 at 7:42 pm

    Judgemental
    Hypocritical
    Friends

    The Bible says to judge rightly. Hmm. Who does that?

    So you’re telling me all “non-christians” get a pass on hypocrisy? Ha ha. Opps.

    The is no greater love (friend) than one lay don heir life for another. Who did that?

    You do not know what love is. Nor do you understand each single word has numerous definitions. The dishonest pick their words to distract you from the truth. This is evils way. Our real enemy and crew is not of flesh and blood; just enslaving many flesh and blood. The legion of in-congruent lies. A half-truth is a whole lie and many things posted here are just that.

    The first thing is to stop and be true to yourself. God know you better than you do yourself. And this is all our problem. You don’t define GOD accurately or truthfully. No matter what you think, GOD has 3 attributes. He is everywhere present, AKA eternal so in and out of time as well. That’s not now us. #2 GOD is all knowing and that’s is seeing. Including all our hearts. #3 GOD is indeed all powerful. Which mean GOD has no brothers, or makers. He never began. GOD is the beginning and the end (philosophers take note and stop chocking on your own limits).

    Because what most are missing is… you have an issue with GOD USING evil and turning evil ultimately into good. You call GOD evil or at least partly and this is your flaw. Accepted or not that fails the very definition of a perfectly good (AKA Holy) GOD. [Caps are just a text way to show we’re taking about The God and not your boss at work. And a king could be called a God, but not GOD. It’s just language/words/text standards.] So the thing is… You haven’t proved GOD is a myth by your limited misunderstandings about Him USING evil. BECAUSE pure logic actually required GOD to use evil, for ultimate GOOD! That’s the whole point. That’s not the same as DOING evil; which God never does. And this is not THAT hard people. Stop mixing spit! You(and me before Jesus) just want to do bad things and The Bible says so. that our MO!

    So can you handle the TRUTH? No not most. But I’m loving this out for you the remnant . The weak and not the strong, in your own ignorant pride. you either got to give it up or you will STAY a slave to your wickedness. And you (and GOD) know which.

    So if there a hypocrisy battle (and we ALL are) then those against Christians win that game. Why? Don’t you see yourself? Here is the problem. No, your (our) good deeds CAN NOT cancel our bad ones AND we all got bad ones!!!!!! So I must be all about measuring up (anther pretender) to the unattainable and that way we’re all going to burn right?! No; but only because of what Jesus did AND NOT US! Now here’s the kicker….. Even our GOOD works, being always imperfect do in fact qualify us for toast, forever more BECAUSE GOD is that HOLY and our best (without Jesus) is not. This is why I am a undeserving (by my work) Christian. Who are you?

    And also, Hell is no scare tactic alone. Why. Do you want me to prove that. No prob. BECAUSE that kind of fear(a WORD), meaning the sorrow unto death WILL NOT SAVE YOU. Sure what fool invites death? But fear of evil, is evil and you’d only be giving real evil place, power or YOUR permission. Whatever you wish to call it. Did you have any idea YOUR choice was that critical. Do I mean you are responsible. HELL YES! There’s hope for you yet.

    You see the other major deal is no; GOD is not responsible for you. At least not with out your responsibility. Now I’m about to clear up a whole mess!….. So stop reaching for your denial button,\; cause this is a text forum people. You’d only be fibbing to your own self. Major thing here is (while I can think it, as inspired by guess who) GOD is not your excuse for your being irresponsible. …

    LOGIC (AKA Truth, so Jesus) dictates He(GOD) is autonomous. We through out(up) that fancy word about mankind; but mankind does NOT have full autonomy. And one thing we can prove about mankind and our-self is we do have CHOICE. Now wait a minute and listen. If you will (see what I did there). i did not say you have the choices of GOD. Nor all choice; because I already siad GOD has full autonomy. So here the kindergarten brain storm: We have some choices and not others. God grant us the surinity to know the difference. BECAUSE all our lives we are getting that bass-akwards (many places) and this is mankinds biggest problem. Why biggest? Because our biggest issue is death. And I don’t just mean the great sleep AKA passing. I mean forever death. AKA not being saved by what Christ did for us on the cross.

    Most people don’t really GOD we OWE GOD. We didn’t start the party because I want to be REAL clear GOD is also CREATOR. You don’t have to agree (with that choice); but I’m talking about the creator science is SCREAMING is before time/space (so eternal AKA Spirit) and even GOOD. Why because good science (the one with GOOD evidence not WHITEWASHED, beyond mans argumentative numerous perspectives/limits). So deeper deer true seekers. And yes CONFESS so you can see around ourselves. Because I tell you right now, if your salvation depends on my perfect we ALL going to HELL! LOL. it’s not about me or you! It’s ALL about Jesus.

    LOOK! The boy (GOD/Man) said He was GOD the creator. YOU have to deal with that. Some things are BOTH and not everything is fundamental(to us; I’ll explain next); but this is not one of them. You serve one of two master and if you are not sure who Jesus is you are a unknowing pawn. Why? Because you have you our patent beliefs and therefore only you can be the “god” of that. Just ANOTHER false man-made religion. Now “religion” is a word. It used to more mean a true system. now it/’s usually taken as false manmade attempts to work your way to GOD or your highest ideal/PURPOSE.

    I ask you. What is Any of this without absolute TRUTH? The point? How did you come about and where are you going. Because if your today gets that wrong then we”re going down hill in a hurry. See? Where is the LOVE without real truth? Because you know I am not taking about erotic (expression of His love is Holy marriage) nor am I just talking about good sibling type brotherly love with family and friends. Christian or not. indeed but hey, Christian or not?! Because division lives there and that we should understand. It is NOT by your family blood you can be saved. Only The family of Jesus blood shed for us and His body broken so you can STOP playing the blame game, trying in vain to prove you have no flaw. Yes you CAN be MORE brother or sister, or (mankind)father or mother with your sibling in Christ than family blood. AND THAT”S THEIR OWN CHOICE.

    But Jesus love in us looks different to the lost and they call Jesus and us evil. You must stay with the world(system/lost) or pick Jesus. And He say we are not His slaves and Jesus does not call us His servant; but FRIENDS BECAUSE He has already told us (all we need to see it enough; from our limts) basically WHAT He is PERFECTLY doing.

    GOD is NEVER early and HE is NEVER LATE! Time is the factor we often forget. Everything has to WIND UP perfect or you’d be right about GOD WAITING. But you are not right to say GOD is imperfect and your so called proof GOD is not perfect or some evil is FLAWED at the core, AKA presupposition.

    Get off you soap box with your false assumptions about GOD and even His children. You may mean well; but you’re actually killing children. Why because you are elimination hope and all hope. But of course that’s a lie. It can be a lie and you didn’t know what you were saying, you know? Thing is…HOPE is JESUS and real. Meaning no one can reasonably deny good ans evil EXISTS here! We see them everyday in the mix. What you need to think out is EVIL is the limit and GOD/HOPE/JESUS has no LIMIT.

    See because perfect is no limit of goodness. And then the head philosopher ask if GOD could make a rock so big he could not lift it. HAVE you ever considered you’ve not caught anyone but your self is your own lack of ability to ask that well. instead of blindness. God is The Rock. While there are kinda no bad questions, it’s actually OFFENSIVE to GOD. BUT have you noticed we’re not all dead for it????? Because we really should be; accept that would be leaving iout the fact GOD is with us, in Christ Jesus who suffered bloody beatings for that, just so you can APPROACHED GOD without being vaporized. And by what, His goodness. Don’t misunderstand me, I said anyone can approach Him BEFORE renewal. Because you don’t heal yourself and then go to the doctor. Get up, take up your mat and GO NOW. Because I have no idea if this is you last day, or not. I just had a cushion drop dead so this is no joke or scare tactic. And you likely already know you can REST ASSURED jESUS HAS YOUR BACK, if you will only face Him.

    Rise up! The way The Bible (GOD word is Him in same Spirit) says. Not the world bad rebellious way. Rebel against evil, not good! Because if a crazed, drugged out robber was in the process of beating down your door, then now matter your ability you WANT THE LAW to show up.

    And what is all this based on? not just just good human right; but it’s more about your LAST rights? Is GOD’s good laws on your side? Will Jesus say He never knew you, meaning you turned away and in goodness he LET you.

    Two more things. People are all a twist about GOD vs. man’s choice. Even many so called Christians about Calvin(and predecessors) vs. Methodist Armenians or WHATEVER. (I said I would explain.) You see that it is BOTH!!!!!!! What do I mean by that?….

    Hey! We agree to disagree as Christians (if rightly. God knows the heart, we’re just wise fruit observers) and this stuff is deep and a lot of life needs to happen, for folks to change their points of view (this is an old person fight); but the whole time; GOD and His word didn’t say it wrong! We READ HIM wrong! Getting this now? You get to read it yourself. I can tell you that you have been lied to about the Bible (FOR SURE). So why don’t you think figuring that out, with deep Bible study OF YOUR OWN matters to you? Distracted? What happens when we are distracted from all that is good? Who is doing that? Do you need to better select your friends. Because anything goes kills you. Just ask yourself what’s left over and you may make it home.

    So POINT: We all have different choices based on the deeds we do over our relatively short time here. The choice of salvation (from that death, our TOP and BIGGEST need, absolutely) first of all is from then on. meaning it’s not like you are stuff and regretting being enslaved. You get to choice again the next day. Did you mean it or was it just emotion? So look. What does that mean. It MEANS YOU ARE THEN FREE! And which are you now? I hope you see without Christ; nothing is left but slavery every day. See how backwards the world tells you that is? This is why cults (mentioned) a ARE cults. No choice. But be careful. freedom is NOT doing anything. You can certainly try and that choice is indeed freed; but remember! Is it right. Because (simply) if what you do is actually wrong, even if you didn’t know it, with TAKE AWAY MORE CHOICES. And guess what? This addition and subtraction of SOME choices is GOD’s rock solid UNCHANGING “reaction”(we think of it). How is that possible? Simple. Because you just found one of those pesky fundy things(NOT all are). GOD forgives the REPENTANT and has GOOD wrath for the deserving unrepentant. And don’t freak out over “repentance” it simply means to change your mind and ways. Stamping out the lies AKA half-truth the bind people LIKE chains. See. slavery. Jesus is free indeed.

    So I hope you heady dude got that. It is often MISTAKENLY thought of as fundamentally all GOD or all man and infered wen have to pick a side. Guess what. It’s kinda both. Now you Calvanist or Armenians in a bunch; do not assume what I am saying here. We did not start the party. GOD did. Jesus told us we did not “choose” Him; but He choose us. Look up the word “choose” in it’s original text. Jesus was telling His CHOSEN(mean massively adored remnant), and yes we get all upset Jesus knows exactly who they are(and when), that Jesus started up the party and they could not. But look at you false assumptions! Christians and non alike. Jesus ALSO did not force each disciple to CHOOSE to follow Him. Now did He? You may be thinking who could deny Jesus “calling”? Yet another mistranslated ASSUMPTION, believe it or not. Yes Jesus calls people and (in a PARTLY weird to us eternal way) did things(does things, see eternal) even BEFORE we were born. Heck before this age was “born”. Yes there really is no happenstance or AKA chance {what we sometimes rightly call chance experienced is really God’s will). Be we forget we forget. And never never something yet! Get it now? We are called to increase in knowledge WITHOUT making it an idol over GOD and we need to see we are not supposed to know EVERYTHING. At least now. There is actual IMPORTANT value in us not knowing some things. So chill. AKA, it would be very bad. Let GOD be GOD. Some things are not our job. Some things are. Can you get that? Would you establish the foundation of a new Earth and explain all that? How about GOD’s created space/time altogether? And don’t forget the rest of reality, the spiritual. Are you going to tell me how to create angels? See? We will NEVER be over absolute equal the ONE GOD(by our language definition of the word GOD). We are called only to be His child. But oh! The association. That it your and my highest position and it’s about time we look at the pure logic of this. Who’s royal family are you a part of? What are we? Because when I say all our hearts lean evil(without Jesus) I did not say we’re not in the very image of GOD. Now whether we act like it is up to you.

    And that’s the thing. GOD will let you choose hell. GOD OWNS us and yet gifted up with SOME choices/freedom. Now if you had a child and so you are their guardian would you condone making slaves our of your children??? No of course not (but sadly does happen). Now if grabbed your babies hand just before it made it into a LIVE LIGHT SOCKET then wouldn’t you be steeping in and overriding your babies freewill? The pint is THAT’s not slavery. And when GOD steps in; He NEVER, EVER EVER enslaves, doing that. Remember what GOD does is let us learn the HARD way ACCEPT when it’s not His plan. If you think think about your life and times this far and honestly(the kicker right there) then you CAN learn to see just that.

    So, we we get scared and go our own stubborn way, BY NOT considering what’s right (and my point above was The BIBLE is THE ONLY GOOD standard OF LOVE laws (for us NOT against us) and you probably missed some accurate history lessons thereto) . And frankly being LIED to about history, getting exactly the OPPOSITE messages(that you can dig up yourself and see.)

    Oh yeah and we do see mans part choices and my assertion it’s GOD and us together BOTH (Him depending on repentance so not actually changing) doesn’t mean I’m HELPING GOD or anything like calvanist fear. Look the problem here (mans limits) is BOTH sides are NOT admitting what is not clear, or falsely assumed. by focusing on what CAN be known. Not just what’s beyond us. And my pint there is why do we expect to see the GOD side perfectly. We don’t exist in all times, He does. So duh. i understand my assertion we meet GOD and it’s both (good parts from the reformation and the good parts from Methodists/Armenians). Wise men from each camp will say “that’s not what we mean”. And that’s your clue. Stick to the Bible. Respects others may have studied and experienced parts unlike you have. Yes we need accuracy, GOD knows. And truth is NOT relative to man’s ideas! But only Jesus get’s it perfectly. And usually it’;s just various gaps along the path of each persons walk not yet passed.

    Take every single doubt your have and hunt it down like a dog; until your understand more. If you don’t then your actually know you misunderstand and are treaging through life just a miss. What cold POSSIBLY go wrong?

    Let me make it easy for you. You know all that stuff you’re sure is dead wrong. Stuff you see people do evil. Don’t do it yourself! You actually are very special; but NOT that way!

    But you see there are MANY things thought evil the Bible says are OK. Plus many things very much thought OK; that are evil. And please understand, and no matter me, if you get that wrong you will keep it. that ultimate death is the ultimate no more choices and it is COMPLETE insanity, forever. Always blaming our perfect God. That’s what pure evil does.

    Please forgive my mistakes. I pray Jesus comes through my weaknesses. I’m just sick and tired and being sick and tirerd of the BS. Just trying to be plain. And taht’s what clear and real.

    And it’s love; whether you thought so or not. Best wishes dear time traveler(only forward, hopefully up)!

    • Doug williamson on November 28, 2019 at 8:15 am

      Wow! What a ride! Where do I sign up for the LoveTrain?
      I read this in the voice of the Black Israel guy on the train. I hope you and he get the help you need to overcome your delusions.

    • Aquaria on December 11, 2019 at 1:00 pm

      So much stupidity, hate and bigotry.

      So little time.

      • vince on December 11, 2019 at 1:15 pm

        You are right….so little time. God loves everyone…no exceptions. It is a tough world we live in and it is not easy at times, but God cares and loves us through it all and we all need him. He is the only hope for the world we live in….

    • Jake Tisnik on April 10, 2020 at 5:15 pm

      If you think that you’re better than others, you should actually ACT like a better person.
      So no, atheists can be and are hypocrites too. But you Christians basically have no right to be. Or just have your faight and don’t preach, annoy and judge everyone else.

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  33. James Strong-Oak on November 21, 2019 at 2:40 am

    4. Be responsible for the death of 50 million Native Americans in North America alone and then act like your faith is morally superior to all other religions on Earth. Stop complaining about Muslims. They will NEVER reach your body count.

    • Terry on November 21, 2019 at 11:42 am

      Are you referring to the introduction of smallpox and other European diseases to the Americas? One did not have to be a Christian missionary to carry these as viruses are equal-opportunity infectors. Fur trappers, explorers and fortune-seekers were as much to blame for carrying them into the interior of the continents as anyone. The deaths of 95 percent of the humans that were here before us was an accident and a tragedy, but not genocide, by “Christians” or anyone else.

      • Doug williamson on November 28, 2019 at 8:21 am

        Why didn’t your G, the Almighty One, encourage his church leadership to study and embrace Science so Mankind could have learned about infectious diseases sooner and allllllll those people (you know, G’s creations) would not have suffered such horrible life ending diseases? In many cases it is as simple as washing your hands. Or is suffering good and G wants us to suffer pain and agony before death?

        • Terry on November 29, 2019 at 12:39 pm

          Good question…basically you’re asking why God does not give us all of the answers and stop all of the bad things that happen in life. You could also ask why He didn’t stop the Bubonic Plague from wiping out 1/3 of Europe’s population (or at least make people more aware of how to contain it), or why He doesn’t give us the cure to diseases like AIDS and cancer today (which in future generations may seem as simple as washing one’s hands). The wisdom literature books (Proverbs, Ecclesiastes et al.) in the Bible does encourage people to seek out knowledge (= science), and King Solomon who wrote much of these was one of the more learned people of his time. But the overarching reason for ignorance and suffering gets back to human evil. I personally believe that if man had not turned his back on God, we not only would have no diseases but we’d be colonizing other galaxies by now (which I think was the original idea) because our knowledge of science and the natural world would be so much greater. But because we told God back at the beginning that we didn’t need His help and we were going to do things our own way, we’ve been left to figure things out on our own – which we have to an extent but not in time to prevent a lot of suffering. It’s not fair that innocent people (if they exist) suffer but this is a consequence of our own choices. And rather than just snap His fingers and fix everything as we might like Him to, God sent Jesus to take our punishment for us so that this screwed-up world wouldn’t be the only reality we experience.

          • vince on December 7, 2019 at 2:32 am

            Yes,,,,God has far greater wisdom and knowledge than us humans and that is part of the reason we worship him. He created all things as he said he did. It is up to us to believe and follow, or do not believe and reject. The evidence is there for those who truly look….



          • Randall on January 20, 2020 at 1:16 pm

            Probably the best reply here and very true. Man has always tried to figures things out and what’s best based on our own knowledge and as we can plainly from the way things are in the world, it hasn’t worked and it never will. But we all have a chance through the blood of Jesus, even as we continue to be imperfect beings. Seven times or seventy times seven, God will not give up on us and is forgiving of us as long as we turn to Him. Daily.



        • vince on December 11, 2019 at 1:21 pm

          You are a bit confused….God gave us all a brain to use and science, doctors, etc etc but he also wants us to believe in him which will change us. We will see the world in a different light and have different values. God changes people and you can see examples of many who have been changed forever. Just look around if you are serious….

          • Doug williamson on December 13, 2019 at 8:16 am

            You only believe that because that is what you were taught by your parents and culture. Any “change” comes from within. The old joke: Q:How many psychologists does it take to change a light bulb? A: Just one, but the light bulb has to want to be changed, applies here. Any change you feel is just you doing you better.
            I do look around everyday and marvel at the world around us, the beautiful flowers in my garden, watching my cat stalk a lizard, the sound of my turbo revving, a woman’s smile, the slight taste of anise in my biscotti and I try to enjoy every minute as I know it is fleeting and it is up to me to experience life to the fullest without worrying about whether this brand of religion was right and mine was wrong, or I skipped a ritual and now I’m doomed.
            No, once you drop the yolk of religion and gods, the freedom and relief is wonderfully liberating.
            You will find that you still give to charity but now you feel better about it and you keep it to yourself. You will be happier because you will never feel guilty about feeling good and having fun. You will have more time and the friends that you develop will be genuine and long lasting.
            Good luck with your journey. I hope you find what you are looking for.



      • Ryan Harasymchuk on December 2, 2019 at 10:12 pm

        Actually back then the people who came to North America were pretty much all Christians, and they purposely gave the Indigenous “savages” blankets that were infected with the smallpox virus. They knew what they were doing.

        • Terry on December 3, 2019 at 12:11 pm

          Perhaps most or all were Christians by affiliation (as any European would claim to be Christian at that time) but again not all were missionaries. Having read Charles C. Mann’s “1491” I’ve gained a pretty good sense of how and why European diseases killed so many Native Americans; and despite what appears to be an extensive amount of research there is no mention of widespread, deliberate infection during the Age of Exploration. Otherwise I have come across references to smallpox-infected blankets being given to Native Americans (by ???) during the push west (perhaps in the 1800s) but displacement of native peoples was a controversial topic even in that time and certainly would not have been Church policy. How would this have made sense? Jesus died for all of mankind, and exterminating so-called “heathens” and sending them to hell would have defeated the whole point of the Great Commission. Every age has its racists, and the enlightened view of indigenous peoples as human beings is not a new concept.

        • vince on December 11, 2019 at 1:17 pm

          Not sure the Christians did that, but people did….sad but do not blame Christians……they would never do such a thing….

          • Doug williamson on December 13, 2019 at 8:18 am

            They wouldn’t molest kids, steal babies and sell them, or support dictators, but they did.



        • vince on December 13, 2019 at 11:08 am

          Wrong, I believe that because I believe Jesus is who he said he was, and did what people saw him do. It is not a blind faith, it is faith and belief in God the one and only. We all make decisions in life after we see the evidence for what it is regardless of how we were raised. You have to believe for yourself, no one else. Because you were raised a certain way does not make it right, you must decide. Never blindly follow anything…..Again, the evidence is there if you REALLY want to look. Many do not take the time…don’t care….they are missing out bigtime on what life could be for them…..

        • vince on January 28, 2020 at 12:03 pm

          When a person believes in God/Jesus he is then filled with the Holy Spirit of God, which changes him/her forever. Amazing miracle and God is a God of miracles. He is a supernatural God. We are just flesh and blood. God changes lives from the inside out if we will only let him…..

    • JillOz on November 24, 2019 at 3:47 am

      Actually Muslims have killed 270 million people since the beginning of Islam and they haven’t yet stopped.

      • Ryan Harasymchuk on December 2, 2019 at 10:09 pm

        I googled that because it seemed too outrageous to be true, and low and behold, it’s not true.

        • Maryellen Baker on December 6, 2019 at 8:36 pm

          The correct spelling of the term is “lo and behold” … not “low and behold” (lo, not low)

        • vince on December 13, 2019 at 11:00 am

          Remember there are posers in the Church and world who call themselves Christians or followers of Christ who have never really been born again…..have never asked Jesus to be their Lord and Savior. It is personal and public with God. Has to be real…..not just lip service or for show. This is the most important issue in life so you want to be sure of what you are doing….positive…will you be perfect after that absolutely not but God will be guiding you along this new life and that is a great comfort in this short life we have here. It does not make you better than anyone else but it does change your life forever in the best way possible..

          • Jon on February 25, 2020 at 4:13 am

            It’s worse than that. Christianity was taken over by Mithraism in the 4th century. Christianity is still trying to break free from that conquest. The Reformation was one major step. Separation of Church and State was another. We Christians who have partially broken free still suffer from significant corruption by Mithraism. Worship on Sunday for example.



          • vince on February 25, 2020 at 10:41 am

            We make judgements daily but to “judge” someone else is not for us to do….God will do that. The Bible itself talks to this often. Who are we to judge? We are not perfect or anything close to it, only God is, so he is fit to judge….



      • Anonymous on December 3, 2019 at 4:55 pm

        lying doesn’t help.

    • MIscellaneous Christian on December 3, 2019 at 4:51 pm

      that was so long ago. also, we understand our religion better now. let it go. we’re so much different from how we were back then. while that was a horrible thing to do, today’s Christians (or at least none that I’m aware of) would never do anything close to that. and even if any “Christians” would, they clearly aren’t true Christians.

  34. Lee on November 19, 2019 at 10:46 am

    Being “Judgemental” does not equal “not accepting”. Meaning, if a Christian does not accept homosexuality as a normal lifestyle, but still loves the homosexual as a human being, this is not being “judgemental”.

    • Terry on November 19, 2019 at 12:41 pm

      Thank you…it seems that few people understand that distinction.

  35. Russell Casement on November 4, 2019 at 10:50 am

    Christian or not, people live in fear of others, and without faith, that’s normal. (Violence on TV doesn’t help) Those who have never had God’s love, are living lives in darkness, and it’s my responsibility to walk in the light, or truth, and share the love of God with all, not just who I choose, and the modern church fails at this task. When in church service we see a much of people watching a show (On tv and radio weekly) by the preacher.
    But the little things that we don’t do, cost Jesus big time. We act like he’s not that important to us, and we our ashamed to associate with him, yet LGBT crowd is worshiped almost as much as sports idols. Our priorities are not correct, and that’s the preachers job, not lay believers. I tell you that many church leaders are failing Christ. Weak messages designed with emotions, and psychology, rather than faith based preaching

    • Toni on November 18, 2019 at 3:01 pm

      Read the whole string…it’s simple, ALL religions require one thing…blind faith. It matters not whether its is Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Tao…it just requires one believe in the Book without judgement. Each religion has it’s good points and it’s downfall. The problem results when one thinks it is right and the others are wrong…if people took off their blinders and read the Books of each other they might realize the message is the same, the culture and experiences of the men who wrote them is the difference…faith must be blind or it is not faith.

      • James Strong-Oak on November 21, 2019 at 2:42 am

        No they don’t. Some religions require no faith at all. You’re obviously not familiar with primitive religions.

  36. Chris on November 3, 2019 at 7:00 pm

    Hum, I have no doubt that Jesus the man did exist but Jesus, as described in the bible, did not why do I say this I base that on logic and critical thinking. Whats basically described in the bible are superpowers such as walking on waters and healing powers that are only performed by touching the sick, considering how modern medicine and science have evolved over the centuries and herbalists.

    As for Jesus is moral teaching…well most peoples were not ready for such deep philosopical discussions thus though its words were word of the god. Jesus might have even been influenced by earlier Greek philosophers

    • brenan Carter on November 13, 2019 at 9:11 pm

      No shade, but walking on waters might be a super power. But you have no proof that it didn’t happen. God is know to be perfect. Which He was sent down by our father. if you where a true believer you wold understand that not only did God walk on water, he died for our sins, and resurrected the third day. read the bible because it is proven that God is still alive.

    • JillOz on November 24, 2019 at 3:48 am

      Jesus was Jewish. His conduct and preaching came from the Laws of Judaism.

    • vince on December 13, 2019 at 11:14 am

      Jesus made it simple…did miracles with many witnesses, said follow me,spoke in parables, and made it clear why he was here. You have to decide if he was God in the flesh as he said he was. If you believe you will have eternal life he says. He will not force anyone to believe, just offers himself to all for the choice and we all have the same choice. If he is true it is the biggest decision any of us will ever make in this short life……

    • Liz on January 4, 2020 at 6:51 pm

      IMO, this is where the faith part comes in. As far as I know (and I could be wrong), there’s no worldly evidence for or against the miracles of Christ. It’s something you have to accept as true if you accept that Christ was really the Son of God, and that He truly died for our sins and was resurrected on the third day. (The accuracy is proven with documentation and such, but it is a very, very deep dive that’s far too complex for an article reply section.) Hebrews 11:1 – “Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.”

      There are some things every human has to simply take on faith, that we simply trust is true. That’s why Christ said we must come to Him as a little child. (Matthew 18:3)

      I disagree about people not being ready for “deep philosophical discussions” when there were deep discussions going on in Israel and in the surrounding countries and communities constantly. The Greeks, the Romans, the Hebrew leaders…there were discussions on top of discussions! And honestly, humanity isn’t much smarter now than we were back then; everything we think of as “smart” was built off of other things that other humans made before us. At our core, we haven’t changed.

      (I know this comment is a little old, but I wanted to throw in my own $.02. 🙂 )

  37. carl on October 5, 2019 at 8:09 am

    aluminium heatsink

    • Melissa on October 13, 2019 at 3:21 pm

      I googled what does the Bible say about association of Christian’s with non believers……All the verses are against it…True Jesus did that but he was in no danger of changing with the vAssociation.

      • Doug williamson on October 14, 2019 at 5:54 pm

        That sounds like a paradox: Love everybody except…
        Jesus is attributed with many good philosophical tenents of a peaceful amd harmonious lifestyle but the religion that followed the mesiah/nonmessiah is/was a disaster. We are better off without it .

        • vince on January 5, 2020 at 1:40 am

          Love everyone….NO exceptions….but….we don’t have to like them or get along with them. Love is far far different than like. disaster you say???? far far from it…

      • Patricia Flynn on December 7, 2019 at 3:32 pm

        Jesus did know people of questionable backgrounds, this us true, but because of Him, they did not stay that way! There were people who rejected Him, but the people who were closest to Him did not continue to be tax collectors, thieves, killers etc………People today confuse love with accepting questionable behavior. This is not the case. We love ALL people, BUT hate the sin that plagues us. None of us are without sin, but society today has normalized sin. Think abortion, homosexuality, living together, petty theft i.e. Office supplies, white lies, disrespect etc, that the mere mention of sin is considered judgemental. Using good judgement in life is not being judgemental but rather doing all on can to follow Gods rules, and not the worlds. Do we fall? Of course we do…..every day

    • Jonathan Larios on October 24, 2019 at 4:06 am

      This whole post is telling me to act in a way that you please the world not God. I see a lot of “I believe” but I’m telling you that are wrong because no matter how much you feel you have to softly talk to people in order to not hurt their feelings they’ll despise you the moment you tell them you believe in Jesus for that sole reason and that sole reason alone. Don’t be a friend to the world by trying to please everybody please God do what God tells us to do in the bible tell them the good news, the truth and plant the seed as it Jesus says and then let it be if they want to talk more then you’ll know.

      • Aaron Clausen on April 11, 2020 at 7:39 am

        It’s okay. I didn’t want to be your friend anyways. Anyone who views me as a project, wants to be my friend solely for the purposes of converting me isn’t the kind of a person I’d ever let into my life.

  38. david scott on October 4, 2019 at 8:01 am

    The majority of people who claim they are part of a religion, do so for public posturing, or do make money, create business, community networking and such .. and HEY, that is ok, kind of.

    You aren’t a christian if you don’t follow the example of jesus christ – charity, faith and hope. Putting everyone before yourself, even your enemies. Not casting a stone at sinners, or judging others (because obviously we are all sinners).

    There are some horrible ‘christians’ and ‘muslims’ all around the world – but here is the thing, they are using religion for social posturing and protection – its disgusting!!!

    Mormons are the best christians I have ever met, and the upsetting thing is’ that many so-called christians groups don’t class mormons as christians! … they call them a cult. Yes a cult of over 15 million members worldwide! You can’t spell culture without cult! With Mormons, its all in the name, The Church of Jesus Christ Of Latter-Day Saints (LDS or Mormons).

    Mormons are kind, gentle, caring, quiet and full of good spirit … they are true chrisitans, and I say that as an agnostic person with no connection to religion other than from my interactions in daily life.

    I have met some HORRIFICLY horrible mean spirited catholic women, SERIOUSLY what is with cathoilc women!? They are always shouting or arguing with their boyfriends and husbands. They are mean, and I have had many a horrible encounter with catholics. Catholics are catholics only in name, because there is nothing universal about their religion.

    Every catholic I have spoken with, did not even know how the catholic church originated and was formed from the ashed of the Roman Empire, as a means to control and subdue the upcoming retribution and punishment that was coming from their conquered territories! …. it was a smart move! The crumbling Roman Empire, adopted the popular Christian religion, and called it ‘Universal – Catholic’ and thus The Holy Roman Empire was created.

    Its disturbing that most don’t know the history of their own religion.

    Mormons are the only tru christians in the world … if you want to learn how to be a good christian, follow their examples.

    • Terry on October 4, 2019 at 8:43 am

      I will just offer that the reason most evangelical Christians reject Mormonism as a legitimate Christian denomination is that they ultimately reject Christ as the Son of God and believe He was a created being – “Our Big Brother” – rather than equal to God the Father. It follows that they don’t believe in salvation by faith in Christ, which is a central tenet of Christian doctrine. I will admit that I don’t know everything about Mormonism (apart from women being eternally pregnant), but one doesn’t learn the truth by studying the counterfeits. I also won’t argue that Mormons are generally “good” people, but there are a lot of people in this world who do good and aren’t Christians. You don’t get to call yourself “Christian” just because you do good (or believe in God), just as one doesn’t claim membership to a given society without being an actual member, poor as that analogy is. One cannot simply claim to be Christian while skipping over the whole repentance/forgiveness part (which is what makes us capable of truly good works) and trying to emulate Christlike behavior in the absence of the Holy Spirit. Yet some wish to redefine what Jesus actually taught and then judge Christians by those redefined standards.

      Well that’s more than I’d planned to say but I hope this answers your overall question. I’ll probably take some flak for being “judgmental” (although I’m really not), but I’m simply drawing out the differences between Mormonism and Christian doctrine. Sorry you’ve had some bad run-ins with Catholics; not being Catholic myself I can’t speak for them but I do think some (not all) are true Christians and are nice people.

      • vince on January 20, 2020 at 1:45 pm

        Many feel “judged” simply by the mention of God/Jesus name. They may be convicted that they need a savior in their lives but do not want to have to face it. If you represent and believe in God/Jesus it can make people feel judged when you have done nothing of the sort. It is a spritual battle on this Earth and you must choose sides. Not choosing is saying you do not believe. Sad truth is non believers label believers as judgemental people who think they are better than anyone else. They are not better. We are all equal in the sight of God.

      • vince on April 26, 2020 at 11:24 am

        There is only one Holy Bible, but there are other books. The book of Mormon is one. Christians believe the Holy Bible is the one and only book of Gods word. It says over and over in that book we need to repent and believe and receive Jesus to become a Christian. Jesus said “I am the way and the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but by me”. The Bible is direct and hard for some of us to take with our preconceived ideas regarding life and spirituality. Truth is truth, and the sooner we find it the better our lives will be. “Seek truth like hidden treasure”..and you will find it……

    • Doug williamson on October 6, 2019 at 6:50 am

      You had me until Mormons. You are correct about the lack of religious knowledge for many cathlicks. They were told early on that since they are illiterate and stupid that they must listen to the priest and not read the good book or think too much. Thinking shows lack of faith. And Mormons might be good people on the face but their prophet was tripping balls when he looked into the magic hat and read the golden plates! Scratch the surface a little and you will find the M’s have a dark side too.

    • Megan Davis on October 26, 2019 at 4:59 pm

      I have encounterd many Mormons like you have Catholics, who have been very critical of other religions, extremely dominating over there wives and spend more time at there meetings than they do with there families. Therefore I feel that your statement in regards to Mormons being kind, gentle and full of good spirit is highly over exaggerated. This is exactly how they wish to be perceived and I speak from knowing many Mormons personally.

    • Guy on December 4, 2019 at 11:42 pm

      Interesting that you say that about Mormans.

      I have found Mormans to be very nice people. Very humble, and caring.

      Those are traits found in Christians. Our Christian Minister calls them a cult as well, and throws the Catholics under the bus too. So on and on it goes….

  39. Fidencio Rodriguez on September 29, 2019 at 11:35 pm

    I was simply trying to be a better follower of Christ, I have read most of the comments and I see my error but for the most part I did find out that I’m not alone in my desire to understand. I actually found the comments to be more helpful than the book .I want to say thanks to the many insightful and inspirational biblical reviews and thoughts, I will continue my journey with much improved understanding. God Bless you…In the name of Jesus Christ….if any comments are sent to me or added, its okay I won’t be offended…

    • Doug williamson on October 4, 2019 at 7:17 am

      What bothers the most about religion, and I’ll zero in on Christian, as I was raised such, is two things: Lack of historical knowledge (start in Nicean Council where the religion was codified), and the ability to twist anything to fit their metric.
      For christianity to be valid, Judaism must be valid. The OT reads like Harry Potter or the Hobbit, or more like other ancient religions. People live for 100’s of years. People travel from land of the dead to land of living and supernatural beings (angels, cherubs, demons, etc) help and thwart the humans. Gods even mated with humans and made a race of superpeople (that left no record of themselves). The people of the True God must fight the people of fake gods, kill them (violating the 1st commandment), but for some reason their G does not defend them and they are murdered and enslaved, but they get away when the new leader (foretold by prophets) leads on a mysterios journey (that no one has a record of) that takes decades to go 100 kilometers to the promised land of milk and honey where they live happily ever after. Along they way they made sacrifices to G so their wishes would come true.
      Let’s not forget Abrhm. He was going to kill his son because the voice in his head (G) told him to and then not to. And from that we have a religion that requires weekly meet ups and little sacrifices (tithes) cause the priest needs to eat too.
      And then we have the messiah who wasn’t even though 100s of prophets foretold these events. By hook or by fake census J is going to be from house of D (prophets, remember). Sadly, there is a lot of good advise and healthy psychological philosophy to be found attributed to J that his followers are not good at following. Forgiving your offenders 7x7x7x7 is a good one. As is minding your own business, live within the law, pay your taxes, invest wisely, share, bathe often, don’t be a prick, are a few that come to mind.
      But if going to church and singing songs and fake prayer & handshake rituals are your thing then go for it. The next time you start drifting off during the sermon answer these qustions for me: why is G making us fight? Who felled and milled the lumber for a giant ship? Did human sacrifices really work to make G happy? Have ever lived without the yoke of religion? The sense of freedom and joy knowing that this day is a one of a kind, it will never happen again so it is up to me to make it be the best day I can have.

      • Terry on October 4, 2019 at 8:20 am

        Wow…First off I will offer kudos in that you’ve probably read more of the Bible than a lot of Christians have. I would also agree with your first three statements about lack of historical knowledge, the use of proof-texting and the continuity of Christianity from Judaism. As for the rest, well…it seems if anything you need to read it again, and again…If you do you might see that rather than this being a collection of (contradictory) short stories about good and evil, it is one long, consistent telling of God’s interaction with man that continues into the New Testament. I don’t know if you have an actual point to make or if you simply found a place to rant, but there has been more and more archaeological evidence that the OT stories happened (unearthing of cities, etc.) and that modern translations of the Bible are consistent with ancient texts (which were for the most part written by eyewitnesses, close to the time events happened). And your taking some of Jesus’ statements at face value while questioning the more controversial ones (e.g., being the son of God, being the only way to God) is not unusual. I could respond to other false accusations you’ve made but it doesn’t seem that these are the point. As for the “yoke” of religion, we are all slaves to something or someone, be it a benevolent God, our own delusions or yes, the religion of doing good; and the “light burden” that Christ promised is the one I choose.

        • Doug williamson on October 6, 2019 at 6:58 am

          How about: There is no God, prove me wrong. Belief in an afterlife has been the worst thing for mankind. This is the only life you have. Provide for your family and community and help keep it going for future generations. That’s it. Nothing more.

          • Terry on October 7, 2019 at 6:53 am

            You might find some of the works of C.S. Lewis (e.g., “Mere Christianity) interesting as he was an atheist before choosing to follow Christ. Also I’m told that “How to be an Atheist” by Mitch Stokes is a worthwhile read as explains why atheism is not intellectually self-consistent and what atheists must also believe if there is no God.



          • Douglas Williamson on October 9, 2019 at 8:02 am

            I think CSL was a tool. The great thing about not having religion or its fake restrictions and rules is I don’t have to worry about missing a meeting, thinking the wrong thing (you are the only one that can hear the voice in your head), or any other nonsense.



          • Bon K on October 19, 2019 at 1:04 pm

            Yup!



          • vince on December 3, 2019 at 3:42 am

            We all have the decision to make as to the existence of God and who he is. You can study all the religions of this world but there is only one who’s leader claimed to BE GOD…Jesus Christ. You can poo poo it away as fantasy, or study to truly find the truth. All religions are NOT the same . If you really want to find God you will…if you really don’t care you will not. Heaven….eternal life in a perfect place is appealing to most people and if it is true, they would want to go there after their short lives here. I think most people would not want to leave this up to chance….too much at stake….eternal life, or eternal death…



    • Tim on November 11, 2019 at 9:32 am

      Decent and to the point. Thanks.

      • Doug williamson on December 4, 2019 at 8:33 am

        If “We all have the decision to make as to the existence of God and who he is.” So, if I decide that God is not real, then God does not exist? What if God is just a Neutral force whose energy created all the life on Earth and we are just a product of the evolutionary process and we had to make up stories to explain the stuff we didn’t understand and our cultures just can’t let go of the myth of the Supernatural Being that is going to save us?
        By your own logic, God and all Gods are made up by people. If walking around dreaming of Heaven and what ever that means to you helps you in some way, please let me know.
        I think we, as a society, would be better off if we would stop lying to ourselves. When I was a child, my parents lied to me about many things: Where the dog went, Easter Bunny, Santa, Jesus, What happened to Gram, etc. They should have told the truth: the dog died, we celebrate Spring and Fertility, we celebrate the Winter Solstice and the Return of the Sun, Gram died. Simple as that.
        I wish they had said:
        Just like the flowers and plants that come alive in the spring and thrive though the summer and fall and finally die in winter, Gram and the Dog had a life, it lasts as long as it lasts so you have to make the most of it. Some of us get one season and some of us get 100 seasons, it’s not fair and it is OK to be sad when someone dies, but don’t let that stop you from planting seeds and harvesting your crops and remembering your loved ones with fondness and hope that you are worthy of being remembered when your time is over.
        Instead, if you are good Santa will bring you presents, he is watching you all the time, and so are G and J ’cause they’re everywhere all the time and can hear your thoughts so don’t think bad things or you won’t go to heaven and you’ll never see Gram again. And other such nonsense.

        • vince on December 4, 2019 at 5:50 pm

          What you believe will not determine the existence of God..he either does or does not exist. He left enough evidence for us to decide for ourselves…..simple. He was either who he said he was, or was not but again, there is enough evidence if you want it. If you do not want it, so be it….your choice. You can study study study until you are satisfied, or you can study just a little.Or… ignore it all because it does not fit your human plan for life. God is supernatural and if he is really God, created everything as he said he did. Your choice to believe or not. He promises eternal life in a perfect heaven after death which is just a short time away. I think it would be good to know for sure if this message is indeed true like so many in the world believe. You can throw it all away if you like….there is more than enough there if you look.

    • Aaron Harvey on December 20, 2019 at 7:36 pm

      Meh, I know Jesus is the son of God I know He came down to save us, I am probably going to hell I have repented over and over again but I had just stopped trying.

      And now I have to repeat my college class for a third time because I am Lazy.

      Someone pray for me my urges to do nothing are too great to a point where it threatens my future.

      Also one thing I don’t understand why do you not believe in Jesus? Don’t you want to go to heaven? Jesus is the only way to heaven

      From what I heard the other religion already has your destiny written to Hell when you die.

      You know because you sin too much?

      I am not an atheist because I don’t want to be decomposed nonexistent) It creeps me out I’d rather go to hell than to do that.

      I want to inspire people to become chirp ahem rewording it followers of Christ. But I am too lazy.

      I am depressed now because I see everyone passing me by on the road of life. Succeeding

      It sucks!
      And I think I hate myself
      All the same mistakes has led to this.
      Pray for me will ya?I’ll appreciate it

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  41. Stephen on August 30, 2019 at 8:33 pm

    I stopped reading after the first sentence: “Spend two minutes talking to almost anyone outside the Christian faith and you’re almost certain to hear a list of complaints they have about Christians.” No offense, but this is ridiculous, hyperbolic nonsense.

    • Steve on August 30, 2019 at 9:25 pm

      The same can EASILY be said about every other religion on the planet. Pathetic. It is not CHRISTIANS.

    • Anthony on September 1, 2019 at 9:45 am

      Actually you would be the last person to know. This is so much more common than you can imagine.

      These complaints are very common where I work and they’re always shared behind someone’s back. The most common one is “she’s really nice when she’s not a happy clapping zealot”.

      No one wants to hang with a zealot but that didn’t mean we’re not nice to her. We just keep her at arms length because she had an agenda.

      Christianity has an image problem. In the eye of the secular (and not so secular) public, the Church is little more than a boy’s club filled with pedos or the mystery had been so striped from it that a congregation and a rock concert look like the same thing.

      There’s a lot of work to do, and rightly so.

      • Charissa on September 17, 2019 at 5:34 pm

        Christianity has always had an image problem, His name is Jesus. “If the world hates you, it is because they hated me first”, Jesus the Christ!
        While, I believe I understand you are trying to bring loving correction and self reflection within the body of Christ, I believe it would have better served the Body of Christ if you used the Word of God as the standard. We are not to counsel with the wicked. We are called to be in the world not of the world. We are not to please mankind nor are we called to fellowship with darkness. The Lord makes this very clear, bad company corrupts good morals. I don’t believe it is a fair assessment to state many non-believers hate true Born again Christian’s because of their judgement, hypocrisy, and inability to maintain godly friendships. While, I would be lying if I said we never judge unrighteously, walk in hypocrisy, or are bad friends, I dont believe your article was an accurate assessment according to the Word of God. After all, we are accountable for our decisions each one of us, and scripture states men hated the light and would not come to the light lest their deeds be reproved. Any non believer judging a true follower of Jesus Christ is the definition of hypocrisy. The Body of Christ is being transformed by Christ! Christ in us, the hope of Glory. Christ paid a heavy price for His Bride, and He adores His people. He also desires the lost that they would be translated from darkness to the glorious light. But the very comment about judgement is dangerous! We are called to judge all things. When we bring the truth of Gods word, in love, Gods very Word judges them! This is righteous judgement. Warning someone of impending judgement is exactly what our purpose here is. To preach the gospel! To live as Christ lived. People hated Him and He is the very Person of Love.

        • Charissa on September 17, 2019 at 5:45 pm

          Christianity has always had an image problem, His name is Jesus. “If the world hates you, it is because they hated me first”, Jesus the Christ!
          While, I believe I understand you are trying to bring loving correction and self reflection within the body of Christ, I believe it would have better served the Body of Christ if you used the Word of God as the standard. We are not to counsel with the wicked. We are called to be in the world not of the world. We are not to please mankind nor are we called to fellowship with darkness. The Lord makes this very clear, bad company corrupts good morals. I don’t believe it is a fair assessment to state many non-believers hate true Born again Christian’s because of their judgement, hypocrisy, and inability to maintain godly friendships. While, I would be lying if I said we never judge unrighteously, walk in hypocrisy, or are bad friends, I dont believe your article was an accurate assessment according to the Word of God. After all, we are accountable for our decisions each one of us, and scripture states men hated the light and would not come to the light lest their deeds be reproved. Any non believer judging a true follower of Jesus Christ is the definition of hypocrisy. Any one following Jesus, He said come out from among them. Expose the unfruitful works of darkness, not partake in them. Not one place I’ll n scripture ever states to be friends with someone who rejects the gospel. As a matter of fact Jesus said contrary. We are to love people and even love our enemies, but we are never called to be in any relationship with someone who rejects Christ, ever. That is completely unbiblical. We can serve then and love them, but not fellowship with them. The Body of Christ is being transformed by Christ! Christ in us, the hope of Glory. Christ paid a heavy price for His Bride, and He adores His people. He also desires the lost that they would be translated from darkness to the glorious light. But the very comment about judgement is dangerous! We are called to judge all things. When we bring the truth of Gods word, in love, Gods very Word judges them! This is righteous judgement. Warning someone of impending judgement is exactly what our purpose here is. To preach the gospel! To live as Christ lived. People hated Him and He is the very Person of Love.

          • IHateYourGodAndYourReligion on September 23, 2019 at 6:46 pm

            Christians spend so much time bickering and arguing over the existence of their God that they have absolutely no time to address the very real issues that plague the human race. They are so self absorbed in building that stairway to heaven for themselves that they ignore the suffering around them. It’s like they don’t even care about the future generations that are to inherit this world as long as they secure for themselves that ticket for that train ride to their little fairytale heaven. They are despicable in the regards that they have nothing positive at all to offer the human race in terms of reality. They act like it’s pointless to face the issues which are destroying the human race because some great wizard in the sky is going to come down eventually and make everything better. Religion is destructive to the human being’s motivation to ensure that our planet and societies are left in better shape for future inhabitants.



          • Terry on September 30, 2019 at 5:15 am

            IHateGodandYourReligion…Perhaps you’re not aware of the plethora of Christian charities that work all over the world to relieve suffering, both in the wake of natural disasters and in the face of everyday poverty. Followers of Christ were the ones to lead the charge to end institutionalized slavery in England and the U.S., and the numerous secular charities, for all the good they do, are mere copycats of ministries initiated by the Body of Christ. Obviously there is still a lot of work to do, and maybe you’re frustrated that there is still so much suffering in the world. But things like slavery and poverty exist because the world is evil, not because the Church has failed or doesn’t care. However Jesus did say that the poor would always be among us, and ultimately the Church’s mission is to share the truth of Christ with the world. We work to relieve suffering out of obedience to God and to pass on the hope that Christ gives, but food and shelter without the message of the gospel would be an empty gift.



          • -response- on December 3, 2019 at 5:18 pm

            IHateYourGodAndYourReligion that is literally the most feeble argument I have ever heard. CHRISTIANS believe in God. That is the base of Chrisianity, yet you say they argue over His existence?
            “that they have absolutely no time to address the very real issues that plague the human race. They are so self absorbed in building that stairway to heaven for themselves that they ignore the suffering around them.” Samaritan’s Purse. Compassion International. Operation Blessing International. We believe that we are not living for ourselves. Also, do you expect us to donate hundreds of millions of dollars to research efforts? Is that a valid reason for hating us? HOW do we “build that stairway to heaven?” By helping… ourselves? That goes against Christianity yet again. We build our “stairway” by helping others and just generally doing good. Us “not caring about future generations” is very, very stupid. Are you implying that we don’t take care of our children so that they may take care of their children, etc.? Well, agree to disagree, I suppose.

            Unrelated, but I agree that Christians can be annoying sometimes, and I’m a Christian. Believing in Christianity and being a follower of Christ are different. Ideally, we (Christians) would all be good followers of Christ, but, sadly, most are NOT.



          • K Hedrick on December 5, 2019 at 2:31 pm

            You are the very definition of what this writer is writing about…God LOVES ALL PEOPLE!!! The second that you suggest that Christ only paid a price for His church or His Bride, as you say, you miss the point. Christ died for all of humanity. Their are those who will accept that Jesus is the son of God sent to die to atone for humanities sin and accept that GIFT through FAITH, by GRACE. It is not of works, least any man should boast!
            It is NOT about you! I will say that 3 times so maybe you get it. It is NOT about you! It is NOT about you! It is not about you! Salvation in Jesus Christ is a GIFT…having nothing to do with your works or anyone else’s. Jesus himself was often in the company of what was considered the WORST of society. He ate with and was seen in the home of hated tax collectors who were viewed as corrupt and “on the take,” by their own people. He was seen with prostitutes and associated with liars. Some of His most well known servants were once murderers, drunks, liars, and hypocrites. If you know the Bible then you know of whom I speak. (Saul turned Paul, Noah, Abraham, and Peter) Not only does God expect that His people will reach out to the WORST of humanity…He tells us as a prophesy in Isaiah 61 that Jesus would be sent to save those who are lost, to bind up the broken and set the captives free, and again Jesus himself says in Luke 4:18 that He came to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for all the prisoners. If we are to be Christ-like or a Christian then that is the example we are to follow. Being Christ-like to those who are lost and broken may be the only Jesus that some ever see or experience. He does say, the world will hate you as they hated me…but the hatred comes from misconception and people flying a banner for Christ who do not represent Christ and that misrepresentation has festered hate. The only two commands Jesus gave was to love the Lord your God and love your neighbor as yourself. No where in that is their a command to set yourself apart from all others who could potentially corrupt you. Instead we are instructed to be salt and light that mix with the world to show the world what being Christ-like looks like. The world doesn’t change us…we change the world by showing and sharing the GIFT of Jesus Christ by Faith through GRACE. Amen.



        • CW Miller on September 30, 2019 at 3:12 pm

          Exactly what I was just thinking!

        • Wanita on October 11, 2019 at 6:08 am

          You absolutely hit the nail on the head! Amen and thank you for speaking BIBLICAL TRUTHS!

        • Cathryn on October 13, 2019 at 3:34 pm

          People hated Him and He is the very Person of LOVE ~~~~

          • vince on December 3, 2019 at 6:50 pm

            Yes Cathryn…people hated the very person who loved them the most. Satan is alive and will work in this world…just look around today and since the beginning of time. Easy to see we are in a messed up world in which we all need a savior to be truly happy and content. We will all face trials in this life and some of us will have comfort through the trials, and some will get through on their own power alone. Very sad mess this world is in……we all need a savior….



      • Nevets giarc God's messenger on October 25, 2019 at 2:23 am

        Extraterresterrails placed humans on this planet . Jesus was an extraterresterial and from afar advanced civilization than ours from afar off distant Galaxy and from another dimension which is why he was able to do all those miracles.wake earthlings don’t be niave and stupid.religious people just like killing other people from other religions.watch ancient aliens on television and you will learn the real truth.religion is for controlling people period.that doesn’t mean there isn’t an all powerful good who created everything because there is an all powerful good who is love and is the creator of the universe and everything that exists.wake up earthlings and smell the roses you simple minded fools and idiots.we are all extraterresterials .extraterresterials we’re here on this planet before humans were.they brought us here and Jesus was an extraterresterial.!it’s the God given truth !only the truly enlightenen ones will understand this.uou don’t have to be any religion to realize that God is love!love rules all!love is god!God is love!it’s just that simple.!nothing is more powerful than love!wake up world!the sooner you earthlings realize this it will change everything!I am God’s messenger!I’m giving you the real truth!listen to me and you will change forever and prosper forever !it’s just that that simple.!love is the most powerful thing there is!God is love!S.H.

    • Tôca Fortin on September 23, 2019 at 7:45 pm

      People who are not acquainted with the Spirit will not understand its work in people who
      living by the Spirit. You can’t try to form an outward show.

      Christ was incensed by evil. Advisements also changed along even the disciples’ way. To
      me every day is a somewhat different challenge and the Spirit leads.

      I don’t see it as effective to tell anyone anything until they are living the life, now. I hope
      I never deny God to people, but I refuse to give much to nonbelievers if they are inclined
      to pretend they know anything about this life and if they criticize from the outside.

      If you don’t know how to drink from a cup, telling you anything more than some do and you could
      is useless.

      Tôca

    • anatheist on September 27, 2019 at 3:04 am

      1 christians drove this poor girl leelah alcorn to suicide because she was trans
      2 you believe a stupid book is more important than actually living your life

    • Eli on September 29, 2019 at 5:54 pm

      He’s probaly a pussywhipped Canadian husband profitting from one of America”s loop holes;/

    • Doug williamson on October 4, 2019 at 7:20 am

      It’s just click bait to get people to read another revision of the great Jesus, savior or the poor and brain dead. Send money.

  42. John on August 28, 2019 at 11:43 pm

    So sad but true…even as a Christian/Catholic, I despise some “die hard” blind Christians/Catholics. Some ten to quote the Bible and take it literally and use it to justify their own intentions.

    This has made me struggle with my faith. I believe in God. I believe in Jesus Christ. The Bible is a good guide book. What is written in it may be as accurate as can be. But, correct me if I’m wrong, it was put into writing a long time after these events occurred, right? So accuracy as to what was exactly said may not be accurate. And humans wrote the Bible, chose what was to be included and what was not, some were even destroyed. Did one ever think why it could not account for 20 years of such an important persons life too?

    This is not at all a put down of the Bible nor the faith…I am trying to search for answers so that I can understand and deepen my faith further.

    I am not saying too that I do not judge people. Heck, I’m not perfect…I am only human. Which is why I despise those who are human but act as if they are gods…self righteous holier than thou’s…

    I throw them my thoughts and concepts, and the reply i get is – that’s blasphemous. Uh okay…whatever you say. But that doesn’t answer my questions.

    I live in a country that where people blindly follow their faith because that’s how they grew up…they never really learn and explore…possibly because they don’t dare? fear of being punished or even excommunicated?

    how blind are they? Thou shalt not kill for example. I say if that’s the case, why did God ask Abraham to kill his son? The reply i get – you are so stupid. don’t you read the Bible? read on…uh okay…so if i were in Abraham’s place, at that point in time…do i say wait God…I know how this plays out…I know it’s against your law to do what you are asking me to do…BUT these Catholics/Christians are telling me that I can READ ahead about something that has not happened…and know how it will play out…really? Let’s not forget those who died in the Red Sea…God created all right?

    Oh well…unfortunately, it is difficult to talk to people who do not want to keep an open mind…but how i deal with it is try to the plant a seed in their minds…that in order to deepen your faith, you have to question…

    • Terry on August 29, 2019 at 9:09 am

      John…yep, God’s definitely big enough to handle our questions. I know I’ve had my share – e.g., how could God be watching Himself grow up on earth and yet Jesus didn’t know He was God until He was a young man of 12? It boggles the mind. But I don’t think asking questions is blasphemous. Some of the greatest apologeticists were once atheists or agnostics who kept asking questions until they were convinced. A lot of Christians have become too “comfortable” in their faith, never having had it tested or challenged even though they need to be able to explain why they believe what they believe.

      My understanding of when the Bible was written is that the New Testament was penned within the lifetimes of Paul and Jesus’ disciples; so by around 60-70 A.D. There is a 20-year gap in the account of Jesus’ life as you mentioned, so apparently it wasn’t important for us to know the things He said or did during that time – only that “He grew in favor with God and men” and that He never sinned. The Old Testament was written over a period of several centuries, and of course the creation story was written a long time afterward, along with the account of Abraham and the other patriarchs, by Moses it is believed. How he knew all this stuff was probably a combination of oral tradition and direct revelation from God; but as I’ve commented elsewhere if men wanted to pick and choose what to include they would have made the people in the Bible (including Moses) look flawless rather than portray them with all their faults and mistakes. The rest of the OT was written by people who were alive at the time the events occurred – Job (presumably, although we don’t know exactly when he lived), Joshua, King David and the various prophets. Overall the writings that are now believed to be divinely inspired are consistent in theme and theology, although others (outside the canon) are useful as historical references. The ancient texts that have been unearthed by archaeologists have confirmed that the writings have been for the most part unaltered between the time they were written and today, with the exception of minor changes in spelling and grammar.

      As for the specific accounts you mentioned…God told Abraham to kill Isaac before the 10 Commandments were given centuries later in Exodus, although after the Flood He did give Noah a warning about men who killed other men. So apparently as God is God He can make exceptions depending on His purposes. God Himself is the standard, not rules and laws which are simply reflections of His character. And the law in the 10 Commandments says, “You shall not murder” – i.e., take personal revenge or take the law into your own hands. If Abraham had killed Isaac he would simply have been obeying God, not committing murder. Neither was killing the Egyptians in the Red Sea murder as they were trying to kill the Israelites, nor the inhabitants of Canaan as God was punishing them for sacrificing their babies and for other abominations. But as we see, the “sacrifice” of Isaac was a test of Abraham’s faith and a picture of the coming Christ as the ram in the bush became the substitute for Isaac on the altar. Of course Abraham didn’t know that, but it’s one of those situations in which the “what if” is moot because it didn’t happen, and we just have to trust that God is good. (It also begs the question, “Is there something I love more than God, that I wouldn’t be willing to give up?”)

      Good points overall and ones I hadn’t thought of…Don’t be discouraged by those who don’t like you asking questions. Find a group of people you can learn with and from, and keep reading and studying. As you’ve already found, asking questions is how we learn and grow; but the one caveat I would offer is to consider whether you’re asking the right questions. I’ve set out to find certain answers, only to find that I was asking the wrong question. And I’ve heard of people who get metaphysically hung up on the purpose of sawdust(?), but in the meantime they’re missing out on what’s really important. The things we need to know are the ones God wants us to understand; otherwise they’re either moot or beyond the scope of our comprehension. Best wishes!

      • Debra Kendall on September 14, 2019 at 3:26 pm

        Well spoken! Thank you!

    • Joanna on September 4, 2019 at 12:12 am

      As a Catholic-Christian, I try my best to Be Christlike and be more like Mother Mary. I fail and sin daily. Stop judging others who sin different than you. If you cannot help them (water, food, clothing), then do not hurt them–pray for them, keep it moving. My friends range the entire spectrum, from dedicated Catholics to agnostics, gays, drug-addicts, hookers. Who am I to judge anyone? They accepted me and never made fun of me nor rejected me for being a proud Catholic-Christian. Like Mother Teresa said, “If you judge people, you have no time to love them.”

      I did notice that some of my fellow Catholic-Christians that are judgmental end up making the rest of the majority look bad. Catholic-Christians are lovely, loving people who resemble Christ. We embrace our daily shortcomings, failures, tendency to sin, but we also have tools to combat and counter these vices. I do trust Catholic-Christians a bit more than a nonbeliever. I do not use church to shame others, I am not better than anyone. I admit, I need church to heal from my mistakes, an escape from this evil, cruel world, and to remind myself of my one, true purpose and mission in my Life. “Jesus came down to serve, not to be served.” ~Mark 10:45

      “He/She that is without sin among you, let him/her cast the first stone…” ~John 8:7

      Like the other famous quote from Mother Teresa, “…For you see, in the end, it was between you and God. It was never between you and them anyway.”

      • Terry on September 4, 2019 at 4:41 am

        The quote from the book of John seems to be a favorite of many, Christian and non-Christian alike. However the context of Jesus’ statement was His rescue of a prostitute (presumably) from being stoned to death. After her accusers left, He told her to “go and sin no more.” He didn’t judge her (or allow others to do so), but neither did He sugar-coat, excuse or enable her sin. It seems that this is the balance we must strike as Christians.

        But I love your last quote from Mother Teresa.

      • Craig on September 12, 2019 at 7:19 am

        Ugh….really trying to be more like Mother Mary? He/She
        Try reading the scriptures by putting your catholic lens in the drawer…..this is the deception you have heard so much about.

      • yes this statement you said os true on September 27, 2019 at 3:07 am

        how can you not “sin” at least pnce in your life everybody does it all the time

    • Doug williamson on October 4, 2019 at 7:22 am

      In the land of the Blind, the one-eyed man is King!

    • Nevets giarc God's messenger! on October 25, 2019 at 2:32 am

      Watch ancient aliens and learn the truth of mankind!

    • vince on December 1, 2019 at 5:49 pm

      If you are serious about the question of “is there a God, and if so who is he?” then you will have to do some homework. It is not a blind faith at all. We were left with eye witness accounts, a book written by many authors over a period of time who all say the same thing basically…far far from co incidence. All you have to do is look at the evidence and decide for yourself. God/Jesus will never force you, he has given all of us free will. He gave you a brain to use, make decisions for yourself. If you truly want the answer to this question, you will get the correct answer, but you must really sincerely want it. If you are not serious about it you will never get an answer but just be confused and uncertain or…..you just plain do not care. If this Jesus was real….and he is who he said he was in the only book left for us regarding him specifically, wouldn’t you want to know it? Jesus says he will give eternal life…and he has a place for us after death….a place of peace, love, happiness forever. I think most would like that to be true…and it is. The decision is before all of us equally…we are all equal in God’s eyes….all of us. He forgives us all of our wrong doing from the worst to the best of us…he sees no difference. His love for us is greater than any human can imagine..he is so good…..

      • Douglas Williamson on December 2, 2019 at 11:16 am

        Only J didn’t leave such a book and oddly not much was written about this man during his time. Does it matter that the Council of Nicea codified the religion and told the priests what to say and when to say it because it was a way to control and tax the population? One codified religion would be easier to tax and control than the dozens of religions in the domain. The Church actively used the fake Jesus to justify centuries of oppression, murder, war, rape, conquest and actively thwarted education and creativity.
        In order to accept J as the Messiah, one has to embrace the Hebrew Faith, he was supposed to be their messiah, all those prophesies predicted it. And let’s face it, most of the OT has been regarded as allegory as much as fairy tale. So, if the wandering goat herder’s myths are not true, how could their superman savior be true?
        Your simplistic argument could also prove Santa.

        • vince on December 2, 2019 at 8:08 pm

          The Bible is such a book. Look at prophecy..look at the eye witness accounts..there was much written in this book and others regarding the existence of Jesus. Most all students of history agree that Jesus was here. Now you have to decide who he was. The new testament talks much more about Jesus…study it closely and you will see. Most will not take the time as they assume it is not accurate or real. If you approach it with an open mind you will be able to see how old testament prophecy and new testament confirmations are moist impossible to simply create but actually came to pass. As I said, it takes much study of historical documents and the Bible to confirm. The problem many have is that Jesus although man, was also God and therfore supernatural in one sense, man in the other. Yes, this as you say is a simple argument but complex also. To connect all the old testament prophecy to new testament time takes study and research. Again…if you really want the answer to this is Jesus real….God real…you have to truly seek it. If you do seek it….you will find the correct answer….

          • Doug williamson on December 4, 2019 at 8:49 am

            You can study the Bible and all the Ancient Texts and Scrolls for the rest of your life,but please riddle me this, while the Big G was trapping people in fish for days on end, and turning women into salt, and raining plagues down on the wicked, and flooding the world, why oh why didn’t G gives us a hint about washing our hands? Or the tip of the penis for that matter. We got to cut the tip off???
            If you are telling me one has to study to nearly PhD levels, then I wonder if G only wants really smart and dedicated people in Heaven with Him. I mean, I’m dysllexic and my brother is a half-wit so we can’t possibly get there. Your God is not very nice.



  43. jaina on August 26, 2019 at 9:50 pm

    Thank you for sharing, helping me get along with Christian friends.

    • chac hu on September 23, 2019 at 11:07 am

      I hope you know this is nonsense. We are told to judge righteous judgement.

    • vince on December 4, 2019 at 5:32 pm

      No No NO….God is for all people…smart and not so smart. Smart /very intellegent people have a hard time with all this sometimes so they may be the ones who need to study hard to understand the simple plan of God and how he gives and gave us his message through his Son Jesus. It is quite simple….Jesus came here and told us the good news…we have the choice to believe it or not to believe. You choose not to, others believe and choose. Not all will believe but I believe you are missing the simple message. If it seems so complex to you and others like you, you may need to do some homework and get all the details you can before you can make a decision. In the end it will take faith, but faith based on what you see and hear. Many like you have done it….very intellegent people, atheists, and found the evidence for God/Jesus overwhelming and became believers as a result. We live in a world that is imperfect and messed up…we did that, not God. It was never his original plan….we the people, messed it all up and that is why Jesus came….you can read all about it…

  44. Jonathan on August 13, 2019 at 2:45 pm

    I am having trouble processing this response.

    I grew up in a Catholic household, and still hold a lot of those traditions dear to my heart, as it brings great comfort when I am feeling lost. Now going to the present, I am a rather conservation person, living a lifestyle that is sinful (I am gay with a monogamous partner.) I attend church and pray, etc. Here is my problem. I have a (Self Professed Christian) friend at work who is very close to me, who tells me much about her life. She is intensely negative and continually complains about all aspects of her life, her marriage, her children, her family, how she is always right and I’ve been seeing the darkness and hate that she holds in her heart. She basically makes herself a miserable person… I know she disapproves of my happiness because my lifestyle is a sin and it hurts to know she doesn’t show any sort of interest (it’s a way for me to turn our conversations into something positive, since my partner and I don’t have any issues or anything I can complain about) she tends to cut me off or just ignore it. So I wrote her a letter telling her how I feel about her not caring about me in addition to how the toxicity is becoming overwhelming that I only see darkness within. (I am distancing myself.)

    Her reply is what I am having trouble processing. “You are my dear friend and I do care very much. We are all sinners in need of a savior. Call on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and repent. He wants to save us all from his coming wrath. Nothing else in life is as important as this. Get right with him Jonathan, before it’s too late.”

    I don’t find this to be genuine at all, since in the 4.5 years knowing her, she has remained miserable. I see it as her being self righteous yet again. I don’t know how to respond.

    • Mitzi Linn on August 16, 2019 at 1:22 am

      I’m so sorry your friend hurt your feelings. I know in my heart that you’re God’s child and perfect. Being gay is your blessing. It was my one gay friend that had the empathy towards me when I needed help in the biggest way. I think him being gay gave him an insight and kindness at a young age. Many people don’t experience discrimination or hardships and maybe that can make it tough to understand what others struggle with. Not that I wish hardships on anyone or think only through suffering can one have great empathy. I don’t know a lot about too much but I am glad you found love in Christ and that he blessed you with love in your life. I’m sure you deserve it! I bet your friend will come around by just seeing an example of real love and commitment. Maybe she’s hurting and can’t be as happy for you as she would like to be.

    • Terry on August 16, 2019 at 4:36 am

      It is a shame that your co-worker professes to be a Christian yet drags you and everyone around her down with her negativity and complaining. From her response it appears that she “knows” what is right but has a hard time living it out in her attitude. It may well have been your letter that woke her up and made her realize the effect she is having on people. But I would contend (in disagreement with Mitzi Linn) that your original assessment of your lifestyle was correct – even though to say so is unpopular and considered unloving. Everyone has weaknesses to struggle with, and yours is no worse or better than mine. If you are already willing to acknowledge it as sin (as it appears you do) then remain open to the Holy Spirit and allow Him to complete His work in you as only He can. If you have received Christ you are God’s child, indeed sensitive and kind, but nobody is born perfect; we are only perfected in Christ. Read the scriptures, take every thought captive to Christ, seek counseling if you can – and maybe even encourage your partner to do so as well. As for how to respond to your friend, no response is needed unless perhaps she takes up the conversation again. But you are not responsible for any hypocrisy on her part or anyone else’s.

    • shut the fuck up on September 27, 2019 at 3:09 am

      being gay is a sin? stfu

    • Douglas Williamson on December 2, 2019 at 1:01 pm

      I find it Ironic that so many Christians are so angry and self-righteous. It seems they ignore the teachings of their savior about forgiveness, selflessness, generosity, wise investing and harvesting the goodness of their lives. So many it seems don’t hear the words of the prayers they like to recite, you know, “…forgive me my sins as I forgive those who have sinned against me…”.

  45. bannervantage on August 7, 2019 at 2:37 am

    Thank you for your share

    • Jonathan on August 13, 2019 at 2:38 pm

      I am having trouble processing this response.

      I grew up in a Catholic household, and still hold a lot of those traditions dear to my heart, as it brings great comfort when I am feeling lost. Now going to the present, I am a rather conservation person, living a lifestyle that is sinful (I am gay with a monogamous partner.) I attend church and pray, etc. Here is my problem. I have a (Self Professed Christian) friend at work who is very close to me, who tells me much about her life. She is intensely negative and continually complains about all aspects of her life, her marriage, her children, her family, how she is always right and I’ve been seeing the darkness and hate that she holds in her heart. She basically makes herself a miserable person… I know she disapproves of my happiness because my lifestyle is a sin and it hurts to know she doesn’t show any sort of interest (it’s a way for me to turn our conversations into something positive, since my partner and I don’t have any issues or anything I can complain about) she tends to cut me off or just ignore it. So I wrote her a letter telling her how I feel about her not caring about me in addition to how the toxicity is becoming overwhelming that I only see darkness within. (I am distancing myself.)

      Her reply is what I am having trouble processing. “You are my dear friend and I do care very much. We are all sinners in need of a savior. Call on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and repent. He wants to save us all from his coming wrath. Nothing else in life is as important as this. Get right with him Jonathan, before it’s too late.”

      I don’t find this to be genuine at all, since in the 4.5 years knowing her, she has remained miserable. I see it as her being self righteous yet again. I don’t know how to respond.

  46. Anita on July 29, 2019 at 1:43 pm

    Hello there. As a non-Christian who came across your article I want to say, thank you for writing it. It truly does address several of my own daily observations…particularly on social media these days.

    I try not to be judgmental of Christians or of anyone of any faith really (I stress the word try, I don’t always succeed), to each their own and whatever works for them in their life works for them and that’s great in my view.

    As for me, I tend to be very Pagan in my own beliefs. I walk my own path and have had some very productive conversations with Christians and Catholics. I have several friends with similar pagan beliefs as my own who constantly feel attacked, particularly by Christians (sorry to point you out guys)…but I have to say, in my observation it’s not always the fault of the Christian person in the conversation. I have watched some of my friends, they instantly become defensive when someone says “oh, you don’t believe in God?” It’s an innocent question….but they key to how the conversation goes often hinges on the response. If my friends respond defensively the conversation becomes defensive and unproductive and they have a bad experience. I realized I always had good luck speaking with people of the Christian/Catholic faiths because….I do not become defensive; therefore….I do not make them feel defensive in return.

    My view when it comes to having conversations with people of differing belief systems is…be respectful of others views. We all need to do this regardless of our faith (or lack thereof). This goes back to your observation about judging others. I do my best to be respectful of others beliefs when we get into discussions regarding dogma, theology, ancient history etc….and it is refreshing to me when someone is respectful to me in return. In fact one of my favorite conversations happened when I had dropped my son off for a Scout meeting at a Catholic church. It’s a beautiful church and I love architecture, so I was strolling the grounds and came across the grounds-keeper. I have a fascination with ancient history and art and that church just happens to have a treasure from the Italian Renaissance that most never get to see. The gentleman was kind enough to allow me a private viewing. As we strolled the interior of the church we naturally had a discussion about faith and the differences/similarities our differing beliefs have. No judgment from either side, no defensiveness at all. It was an hour well spent between total strangers.

    THAT is something I wish I saw happening more often.

    Now, having said all of that I would like to add one thing to your list that those of us who are not Christian find really off-putting….no, make that 2…but they work together and it’s something I’ve heard many non-Christian’s complain about.

    #1 Cherry Picking verses out of the Bible simply to suit your needs.

    Now, I do not pretend to know the Bible cover to cover, but I have read the majority of it during theological and historical studies. I cannot tell you how many times I have personally experienced a Christian quoting Bible verses to me….but twisting them to suit their purpose, and in fact….taking them totally out of context. This drives non-Christian’s batty (particularly those who ARE in fact familiar with your scripture.)

    #2 Quoting Bible verses to back up a Christian point of view in religious discussions with non-Christians.

    This is an exercise in futility if I ever saw one and I’ve experienced this myself. It never makes sense to me when a Christian quotes the Bible (a book a non-Christian does not believe in) to a non-Christian. Honestly, if you’re going to quote a book I’d rather hear Shakespeare. I’m not saying that to be disrespectful here either, but to make a point. It’s pointless to quote Bible verses to non-believers.

    I think that’s about it for now. If you have read my response, thanks for taking the time to read it…blessings.

    • Terry on July 29, 2019 at 2:36 pm

      Hi Anita…it is refreshing to be able to have a civil conversation with someone rather than an argument. I also agree with your first point that many Christians take verses out of context much more often than they should. (It might actually do them good to be called out on this so they can better hone their side of a discussion.) If I might offer one response to your second observation – speaking for myself at least – if I bring specific verses into a discussion it’s not so much to “prove” my point as of course we would need to have the common ground of basic belief in the Bible in order for a scripture-based argument to be valid, but to demonstrate why I believe what I believe and that I’m not simply making up my own theology as I go. There are some great apologists out there who can defend Christianity without quoting a single Bible verse, but I’m afraid I’m not one of them and still have learning to do in this regard. Thanks for your post…I’m not on social media at all and so don’t really see the ways in which other Christians present themselves and their faith in online debates – which may be just as well as it’s probably often embarrassing.

      • Debra Kendall on September 14, 2019 at 3:35 pm

        Believe me it is!!

    • Carey Nieuwhof on July 29, 2019 at 8:34 pm

      Hey Anita,

      Thank you for your response. I am glad to hear you have had a few productive conversations with those of faith.

      I really appreciate you sharing your perspective with your two points. My list is by-no-means exhaustive, so it is good to have more in the comments.

      My team is praying for you, and I hope you continue to have good conversations with Christians in the future.

      Carey

      • brenan Carter on November 13, 2019 at 9:13 pm

        No shade, but walking on waters might be a super power. But you have no proof that it didn’t happen. God is know to be perfect. Which He was sent down by our father. if you where a true believer you wold understand that not only did God walk on water, he died for our sins, and resurrected the third day. read the bible because it is proven that God is still alive.

        • doug williamson on November 14, 2019 at 9:19 am

          Walked on water, water into wine, a couple of fish and sashimi for all 1000’s, cured lepers, raised the dead, cured the lame, spoke in riddles and parables and yet only had a handful of followers and believers. I am a true believer in knowing you have all been hoodwinked to get in line, pay your taxes and tithes, give your gay son to the church, your strong son to the army, don’t ask questions, don’t think, just be really afraid of not doing everything right and being doomed for eternity (unless you get a Forgiven Card).

          All you believers would be so surprised at the feeling of lightness and happiness one has when they drop
          the pretend and hope the Big G is watching. There is no one keeping track of the good things you do or the bad thoughts you have. Only you.

          If the parables, lessons and speeches attributed to Jesus were really his, then at best he was a good philosopher. If he was really the Son of God his disciples would have recognized him when he returned (they didn’t) and he would hopefully appear to future generations in things other than toast and potato chips.

          • Jack on December 5, 2019 at 9:55 am

            Let people believe what they want to and stop being critical about a person because they want others to live a good life. Everyone makes mistakes, so just stop making fun of a person and maybe God wont send you to Hell for your wrongdoing. Just look out for him. Something bad happens to you you’ll know who did it. Not God, Satan. I shall pray for you tonight, for you need to be prayed for. Jesus and God are real, miracles are real, and so are you. You may have been born from your mom and dad, but the only true guardian you will have is watching you right now. Please forgive other people is they did anything wrong, stop hating Christians, and start thinking about who you are as a person. I wish you the best on your life and wish you get mercy.



          • vince on December 5, 2019 at 11:03 am

            God gives peace, removes our burdens, and much much more as many have experienced. Who would NOT want that? But not all will choose that or want it even if true….your choice……



    • Brandy on August 14, 2019 at 5:29 pm

      Jesus and the cross is foolishness to those who perish. But to those who believe it’s the word of God.
      People need to understand the Bible is not about what you or anyone else thinks or feels or believes or not. It’s about the Creator of the world telling is wayward children to come back to him or suffer his wrath when Jesus returns.
      That is going to happen.
      Jesus will return and his rewards are with him.
      That’s not being judgmental it’s stating a Truth.

      • Andrea M Shea on August 16, 2019 at 5:06 am

        Amen…yes…God is love but he’s also a judge and as christians we can judge ritcheously accord to what his word says…not according to our feelings..Praying for discernment for us christian s who have accepted Christ as their savior❤

      • Charissa on September 17, 2019 at 5:37 pm

        Amen!!!!

      • doug williamson on November 14, 2019 at 10:00 am

        Please explain How and When Jesus will return. Will there be another virgin birth and he’s a regular kid until one day he unleashes his supernatural powers and strikes dead forever the unbelievers? Or does He just appear one day as a human and take over? Or, does he appear as a 700 foot tall giant.
        It might sound like I am mocking you, and I am. But your mythology and superhero story sound like something Stan Lee and Marvel might have come up with and need further explanation.
        The belief that the world is ending soon by modern religions has been the cause of war, murder, and overall bad planning for generations.
        Remember: The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is today.
        Be Well, Live Long and Prosper…

        • Terry on November 15, 2019 at 12:49 pm

          Blaming war and murder on religion is like blaming death on guns. Of course people have misapplied the Bible and distorted it to their own ends, but this does not make the faith itself evil. If anything it has been the people of faith leading the fight against the Hitlers and sex traffickers. If God doesn’t exist then there are no consequences for evil and we have no reason to live selflessly or think beyond ourselves and our personal agendas.

          Otherwise, mockery does not become you as you’ve obviously read the Bible and must know that not even Jesus Himself knew when He would return (while He was on earth), and also the manner in which He will return when the day comes.

          • Doug williamson on November 16, 2019 at 9:23 pm

            We don’t need gods to make us behave in civilised manner. If you do, then you have problems and should get therapy. Your Jesus is not coming back, ever. Your religion and many other use the religion as a basis for war. Can you spell crusades? The very founder of Protestantism in England was a war mongering rapist and serial murderer. It is easy to correlate guns with gun deaths. The usa has highest rate of gun ownership and highest rate of gun deaths.



        • Jack on December 5, 2019 at 10:00 am

          Doug, nobody will know when he’ll come, but he will, and he will show no mercy to those who have wrongdoing against him. Locusts, earthquakes, the Antichrist, they all will come. You don’t want that to happen to you, do you? God loves you and wants the best for you, but you might burn in Hell for what you said. Hope he goes easy on you..

          • vince on December 5, 2019 at 10:09 pm

            If you believe in God, you must believe there is a Satan as Jesus spoke about many times. The battle here on Earth is spiritual. Satan for all things bad, God for all things good. This is why we have disorder and hate in this world and we all must live in it and find our way through it. God will help us fight our battles and cope in this world. Satan will give aid and encouragement to those who do not believe. Not all will believe, but those who do, will find peace and comfort through the chaos of this world. God loves us all……all…..everyone…..



          • Doug williamson on December 6, 2019 at 8:53 am

            So scared am I! Your wrathful G-d has such fragile ego. I will make sacrifice tonight to make amends and repent!
            Nah, I ain’t gonna do that. Going fishing after work. Wahoo are biting!



          • Terry on December 6, 2019 at 9:30 am

            Doug…You mock now, but a day is coming when you will wish you could take it all back. If God had such a fragile ego He would have destroyed us all a long time ago, but instead He is patient and is waiting for as many people as possible to repent. And no, you don’t have to make sacrifice because Jesus already did that for you so that you can just go fishing and not worry about God’s wrath – if you choose to accept His mercy, which is free. After all, Jesus is used to hanging out with fishermen :).



      • Doug williamson on December 6, 2019 at 8:49 am

        That’s all in your imagination.

        • vince on December 20, 2019 at 7:59 pm

          No, not in the imagination….real. It does appear that by your comments you are not serious about finding out if God is real. If you do get serious, you will find the answer. In the meantime your answer is no. Your choice……

    • Debra Kendall on September 14, 2019 at 3:52 pm

      Hi Anita! I loved your response – Thank you! As a Christian I agree with you 100%!!! I see this at church, I see it if I happen to be out with my fellow Christians, I see Christians being judgmental and being a hypocrite and each time I just cringe!! And you are right – this is exactly what turns Non-Christians off!!
      I have friends who are gay, are members of a biker gang, I have known ladies of the evening, drug addict and alcoholics – I like these people – I don’t like labels. Everyone has a story of where they have come from and where they are going. I am no different. We are all broken people living in a broken world.
      I believe in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit and I believe in Satan – he is very real.
      I recall one night sharing my story in bible study (I came from a very abusive childhood) and one of the other ladies said “I can’t relate to that”. I have never forgot that. From what I have read, Christians seem to forget that Jesus spend more time with the “broken” than He did with Christians.
      I think we all need to spend more time with the human beings that Jesus loved to spend time with and just maybe, one day we could all live as one. What a wonderful world that would be.
      Blessings to you Anita,
      Debra

    • vince on December 1, 2019 at 5:59 pm

      It is too bad when professing Christians mis use the Bible etc etc. Probably just insecure in them selves. Jesus would never do this if you read about him and what he did in his short three years of ministry. He went to Bars, streets, slums, palaces, everywhere and told people what they needed to hear because he cares for us more than anyone else can. People often mess things up….God never does. If you keep your eyes on Jesus and what he said and did, you will see the right way to respond to any situation. You may not do it every time as we are human and imperfect, but we must strive to live as Jesus did. If all of us in this world would do that the world would change dramatically. Jesus was the only perfect person and he loves us all equally…..no favorites…

  47. Taylor on July 28, 2019 at 8:27 pm

    I totally agree with your points, I have similar experience which made me believe in what you said.

    Thanks for your article, man.

    • Carey Nieuwhof on July 29, 2019 at 8:40 pm

      Thank you, Taylor!

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  49. bannervantage on July 24, 2019 at 10:03 am

    I think the answer is simple: you watch what you say.

  50. Jemima Mwafuga on July 19, 2019 at 5:44 am

    I have come to learn recently that Christians like many people have festering wounds (just as other non-believers do). Hurting people hurt people is something many people overlook whether religious, atheist or non religious or faith oriented. When someone acts in a manner that drives others away from them chances are that they have gone through something traumatic that leaves them confused, angry and unpleasant in general. Only a person who can discern that can approach a hurting person with genuine concern and find out why they behave or think a certain way. I live in a neighborhood where most people are church going but they never invite me to their churches or even ask how I am doing life wise. I guess I have come to accept that people don’t realize how they are…really. I am okay with not being everyone’s cup of tea. I find strength in loving me first then others is extra. Christians who generally have a caring heart will dare so to call, invite and even follow up on someone that is hurting. It took me a long time to get to a place of peace after overcoming adversity in my life. Things are looking up now and I am settled knowing that people don’t like being burdened by other people’s problems maybe because they have enough of their own or they are the way they are. I stopped looking to neighbors for help of any kind; I just started trusting God in my own way and He has been very providing through others outside my neighborhood. Neighbors of today can be as isolated as an igloo resident despite living in close proximity to each other. It’s a pity but that is what society has come to nowadays.

    • Bridgette on July 22, 2019 at 3:01 am

      I agree with you, it IS a pity though I feel the problem with society is a problem we have had as humans for a long time if not since after Adam and Eve were turned out of The Garden. It’s just manifested in different ways. Perhaps it’s selfishness- not sure how to “label” such an issue. However I personally have prided myself on being genuinely caring and interested in others’ troubles/stories…I was raised to be this way also…I even DID turn away from my faith as a Christian because I felt calling myself such meant nothing since all of the Christians I knew were selfish and callous. I have since turned back to my faith…I have never felt so committed to the word of the Bible (I used to be a pick-and-choose “preach-it-to-me type…) ! If you read the Bible (I was forced to read it as a child- but now on my own have- it’s not so much even about the typical stereotypes of needing to help others. However it’s a part of being a good person and good neighbor- not just a Christian. Sadly I feel when I have tried to reach out and help people and show my compassion for them- I get turned away and even treated as someone creepy. The world is headed for the end of times (says so in the Bible- wether sooner or later- feels sooner to me…) and people are so paranoid about people being selfish- like perhaps they are – they have trouble accepting help. It’s a world of “what’s in it for me” and always has been to most people but I feel as we get closer to the end times it will become worse. We must all take care of ourselves to be able to properly help others- but it’s depressing that kindness is not accepted by many people openly let alone fostered anymore.

      • Gina M. on July 31, 2019 at 3:34 am

        You said it Bridgette! End Times! We are The Last Generation and too many Lukewarm Christians out there does not want to talk about it. They are lazy Christians who find feel good Pastors to preach to them that it’s okay to living your best life. My goodness the day is near ! Just as in the days of Noah while people was carrying on marrying /drinking/partying as Noah warned the people about the flood but eh they had no care in the world until it started pouring and the door was shut closed.
        Noah warned them for 120 years but they grew out of patience and went to their merry ways. Remember there were only 8 people left after the flood . God is not interested in feel good Christians ! There is too many lost souls He needs leaders that are going to tell the Truth and obey His Loving Instructions! We must be examples and live according to His Loving Instructions for Our Lives. He left us His manual . Remember He sent His Only Begotten Son Because He Loved Us So Much so that he who believes in Him shall receive Everlasting life. Jesus Yahshua said Go out and preach to all the nation’s . And if that person doesn’t want to hear the Gospel just dust your feet off and go to the next.
        There is so much deception in the world right now with so much distractions between t.v and entertainment they want to take everyone’s time up to keep anyone from seeking The Truth! Be prepared and ready keep watch as we know not the hour or day of His return . But I’m excited and prepared don’t let anyone tell you not. Satan is the father of lies he wants to confuse and distract. he has his minions whispering in weak people ears . any non follower of Jesus that doesn’t want to hear the Truth is because they don’t want to give up their sin. And any christian that willfully sins after knowing Jesus then I suggest you repent and turn from your ways . As Jesus said to the lady at the well ..(I’m paraphrasing) ” Go and Sin No More!
        So just because we are saved by Grace doesnt give anyone a licence to sin. Take care sister Bridgette . see you in the shamayin.

  51. Melanie on July 15, 2019 at 12:18 pm

    I have a mean neighbor- you know the type. She ran the HOA for 30 years, all the while terrorizing every neighbor she could. She sneers if you try to wave. But to a few “chosen ones” she is polite and nice as long as it gets her something in return. Every lawn company knows her and calls her very bad names. The man that gives tennis lessons at the courts runs when he sees her coming. My dog barks like he channeling Kujo when she goes by the house.

    I have always wanted to invite her to church, thinking maybe she just doesn’t know that God loves everybody equally so we should treat everyone as brothers and sisters. I didn’t because I didn’t want to seem like I was one of THOSE Christians- the ones who are like, you are so full of sin you better get to church before God smites you! I was waiting for her to be sick or sad or something – I don’t know, it just seemed too pushy. The other day, I was getting my trashcan from the end of my driveway and a gentleman (from the HOA) out walking his dog was chatting with her. She said “OK, if I don’t see you there, I will see you at church”. I almost tripped over the trashcan!

    In the 12 years I have lived across the street from her, it never occurred to me that she was a Christian! I like to think I live my life as anti-hypocritical as I can. I am far from perfect but I am quick to apologize and try to stop myself from behaving is a completely non-Jesus way. I tithe. I treat the “least of these” deferentially. I even worked for free on three different occasions at three different times in my life serving marginalized people, even as I struggled to buy groceries. I am just giving you background to say this… I am not flamboyant. I quietly serve. It is easy for people to overlook me. I can tell you there are many of us that you would never even know were Christian, because we are assumed to just be “nice” people. Jesus doesn’t get the credit that he deserves because we are not loud in our calling and service and random acts of kindness are presumed to be human nature while judgmentalism (not a word?) is presumed to be Christian nature. Others, like the lady across the street (who probably hands out those little “Jesus is the door” pamphlets to teenagers acting silly in the mall) is known to everyone. When she acts the way she does, people can say “see, that’s why I hate Christians”. Our every day actions are an advertisement for God. What are you selling the World? I wonder if I should invite her to church?

    • Meghan on July 15, 2019 at 1:00 pm

      No. Not unless you are friendly all year long. She may justifiably take it the wrong way. Converse, get to know her, then ask if she attends a church and if not or if a religion you don’t fall or, only say we are inviting friends and neighbors to our such and such meetings and if you would like we could attend together since we so conveniently live so close to one another. If she thinks you have an ulterior motive which you do, be honest and tell her exactly why. You don’t know if she knows Jesus as Savior and His desire if none be lost so you care also. Then ask her point blank if she is a believer in God’s Gospel, The Way or Christ as Savior or born again. However you feel the Holy Spirit leading. Then if she is off put or negative, apologize that perhaps your not the best at approaching an idea and if she ever changes her mind great. Smile and go home. Pray for her and let God use the seed you put forth to take root and grow. He promises the Word will never go void.

    • Sean on July 21, 2019 at 6:00 am

      I think this gets to the point of “people as projects”. For me, if this scenario of connecting with a person is not something that would happen regularly, then I need to examine my self. I need to determine why I’m not connecting with people like this regularly. If I’m not living this way, then it’s a project.

      So, should you connect with this person? Sure! My only point is that it may require personal change. This may be that opportunity!

  52. Meghan on July 11, 2019 at 4:05 pm

    Even the ones judging us as bad Christians are bad too. Just live your faith and in your failings repent and go forward. God will help us all by taking the good and leaving the bad. If I’m putting God first best I can and still fall; I cannot waste my time concerned about the issue of being judged. Try to keep your eyes on Chris and not in your own strength. It will all sorts out on the end. Focus instead on God and Kingdom. Nobody even those seeing our mistakes are better. Refuse to see that stuff.

    • Brigette on July 22, 2019 at 3:04 am

      Makes sense!

  53. Devils Horseman on July 10, 2019 at 7:35 pm

    The Christian Church that got me is far worse than your list I agree with. Judgemental, HARDCORE hypocrites, and DEADLY friends. This church INSIST that I am “POSSESSED” by the DEVIL or I am the DEVIL a.k.a Lucifer. Totally wrecking my life. For years. They wrecked my last job attempt in Dallas, Texas trying to force me back to “EXORCISE” the DEVIL from me. Leaving me homeless on the street with medical issues and constantly craving suicide to evade them. Medical issues wemt out of control due to FORCED faith-healing just like Christian based “Jonestown” that left 918 people dead in 1978. I have found there is no help for a person like me. ONLY SUICIDE because I do not want their religion. I am a skilled professional and a very decent person. I helped a woman that had cancer for over six years. Only one date cancer free. I did not really know her, but she really needed my help. Called the Devil for it. Hence the name change.

    • CW on July 14, 2019 at 9:28 pm

      I’ve long since decided not to concern myself with the opinion of others whether they be evil, good, secular, or Christian. I have to please God first and foremost, then take care of myself so that I can care for others.
      Judgmental? it depends. what if someone is evil and hurtful to themselves and others? should we enable that instead? foster the dysfunction?
      Hypocritical? depends again, I do my level best not to initiate meaness and evil, and for the most part I do not! However, I react to such with passionate anger. golly-gee-willikers don’t do that, don’t be like that, etc..just doesn’t cut it!
      ad friend? I do my best to be there for someone. however, many of us are just spread that thin, and have prioritize so pardon me if your hang-nail and constant need for recognition and negative-attention isn’t all that important.

      • Brigette on July 22, 2019 at 3:14 am

        I feel the same/similar! This is just an opinionated article anyhow. For most my life I was raised “Christian/catholic” (not a thing btw! Lol ) and was taught that judging others is a big “no no” but in the Bible it actually says you shall judge others actions! If you look it up it mentions that you shouldn’t judge intention but action. If you never judge at all you’d go around making horrible decisions. We were given the ability to make decisions for a reason and it is important that we think of Christ and make as many of our decisions as we can with him in our hearts and minds…though God knows as humans we will not ALWAYS do this and can only do our best- he only knows what our best is (IMO), but we must put in the effort to follow his word. It’s natural for us to be hypocritical as people- I think that’s something very grey area and depends how introspective you are to catch yourself. I (agree…?) there’s a big difference between being hypocritical and simply reacting with negativity to a negative situation. Even Jesus and God have been unhappy with situations and have shown passion in those moments. It puts a bad taste in my mouth when people try to say Jesus and God are 100% hippie-dippy walking around as if everything is ok and “peace” all the time. It’s not accurate to the Bible anyhow.

  54. Mary on July 7, 2019 at 11:15 am

    But not all Christians are like that, I’m not not that way, and i really try not to be that way either.

    • vince on July 7, 2019 at 6:31 pm

      Christians are human like everyone else….imperfect like everyone else, so we have to learn to live together and help each other in life. Jesus was the living example of that. Study, read, learn of him in the Bible. Seek after him as for Silver and you WILL find him. Seek as your life depends on it….you will find him and the peace that comes with him. No, not a perfect life or easy life, but a life with him to help guide you through, and we ALL need that. No one has their life together…just look around….none of us. “He came that we might have life and have it abundantly”…..turn off social media for awhile and really study/search for yourself as it is the most important decision you will ever make in your life……….

      • Brigette on July 22, 2019 at 3:19 am

        I have found my faith again and have never had such a great relationship with Christ as I have since I cut out social media. (Besides actual phone calls texting..) . I was so caught up in people’s orchestrated lives on the inter webs and in trying to make friends with people that were not able to actually foster any kind of genuine relationships…Now I barely have any friends I keep in close contact with since they all prefer fab/ twitter/ etc…But I still feel better off and healthier. Social media is toxic, even as Christians trying to reach it to others it can be a tightrope walk.

        • Carey Nieuwhof on July 22, 2019 at 5:49 pm

          Wow,

          I am so glad you have found this better space. I talked about disconnection and social media quite a bit in my last book, Didn’t See It Coming. I think having a healthy separation with social media can be a really good thing.

          Glad you are enjoying it!

          Carey

  55. Lisa on July 6, 2019 at 11:35 am

    Well… I thought long on how I wanted to respond or maybe I shouldn’t respond to this post because I am sure I will get my head bit off however I respond by some very righteous person (s). Here it goes.

    I have only been back in the Kingdom of God for 23 months after being out for 17 years after I was asked to leave a 30,000 member Baptist Church because I was asking to many questions such as; If we believe the Holy Bible is the ardent Word of God, then why aren’t we using the gifts that the Holy Spirit gave us and why aren’t we making disciples like Jesus said to do. I only recently found out that people who attend Baptist seminary have to sign some sort of wavier that they will never speak on these subjects to their congregation. Wow! How sad for God.

    I am judging right now because a pastor should never stand up in front of a crowd of people and say, We Believe the Word of God to be true, and then leave out the part about using the gifts of the Holy Spirit and making of disciples, which is part of the New Testament and New Covenant, which is all about Jesus.

    The members of a church are under the umbrella of that Churches beliefs and therefore the members pick up that same belief system unknowingly and live their lives accordingly to their Pastors beliefs. Birds of the same feather do flock together.

    I am now a practicing Christian (I deeply love Jesus and the Holy Spirit and people) in the Charismatic and Evangelism movement and have seen and experienced some pretty amazing healing(s) and making of disciples that are happening within the Church. But even so, there are prejudices within that following- as well.

    The one thing the Lord spoke to me about when coming back into the Kingdom of God was that I never could ever speak about how someone else teaches because that Judgment was left to Him alone. This made me more sensitive or alert to what people spoke on and taught about the Word of God to and audience. (God never left me while I was out of the Church for those 17 years.)

    I was so surprised at how many pastors, speakers, and teachers who taught the Word of God ousted what others were saying and teaching on that was “wrong” and said so to their congregation or audience of thousands! This has made my heart hurt witnessing this within the Christian community. How confusing this is to Christians who are hearing it.

    I am sure I am judging right now! I really need to get this off my chest. I do apologize if I am offending anyone with my comments. The Holy Spirit will condemn me if I am wrong. He is really good at reprimanding me and I am truly grateful that He does, because my heart belongs to Jesus and I want to do well because of His Love at the cross for all people.

    I have been acutely aware of what pastors, Christian speakers and teachers, and especially Christians believe is the ‘Truth’ about God and His Word. What I have found is a group of really messed up and confused people who have a wide range of beliefs that are self limiting and hurtful to themselves and others all in the name of Jesus and all because they subscribe to a church that has taught them to believe the way they do, which creates separatism within the Christian community and non-Christian community. Like it or not, we will judge others and Christians do a bang up job doing just that.

    My suggestion to Christians is to; Stop attending church, Stop listening to TV evangelist, and Stop watching YouTube Christian videos, Stop reading well intended books written by Christians, and Stop going to Christian events for a minimum of 1 year, and allow the Holy Spirit to guide you, teach you, and reprimand you when you do wrong so that you can become more like Jesus.
    I know that you will be refreshed and come out with better knowledge of what you should be doing or acting more like the way Jesus did. It is not easy to stop all of these Christian ways of doing. You will learn a lot about who you are and the bad habits you picked up along your path back to God that are wrong. You will build a better relationship with God, a more loving relationship. Loving God means to be loyal and obedient to Him, not other Christians.

    You will have to deal with a lot of fear of not doing what you usually do for your Christian faith. The peace you will have in your heart once you get over yourself is greater and will last far longer than you have ever experienced at any other time in your Christian walk. You will start loving All people the same way, which is a blow to your ego, but you will get over that too.

    After being away from the Church for 17 years, I sense there is Something is very wrong in the Christian community. There are over 30,000 off shoots of Christianity for 1 God? I know some of you will say that you start off on milk and then work your way up to the meat, therefore, there will be different teachings. Really? There is only 1 Holy Spirit who is our teacher that was given to every Christian after Jesus died who will guide and strengthen you, and only 1 Holy Bible to learn about God wanting to have a relationship with people and how He did that. The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control, which are all hard to have without Him, and in which I see very little of it within and outside the Christian community.

    I hope you can be gentle with your responses to my comment. I am only observing how Christians are and what they say they believe and how they became to believe what they believe about Jesus.

    With Love, Lisa

    • Terry on July 6, 2019 at 1:30 pm

      I’ve been a fan of Beth Moore as I’ve been through many of her Bible studies, and one thing she said once that stuck with me was, “You don’t want to listen to just yourself.” The reason for this is that without the benefit of “iron sharpening iron”, we tend to go off on our own tangents, assuming that the way we interpret scripture is the “correct” way. Yes, people are fallible and can teach incorrect things, but we need a balance between personal study and input from other believers – especially those who have walked with Christ longer than we have. We weren’t meant to live the Christian life in isolation, which is why Paul wrote not to forsake gathering together with other believers. I myself have been pursuing my own private Bible study for some time but I still participate in group studies, in part so as not to delude myself that I’ve “arrived” and think I know everything. And yes, Christians who love Jesus can disagree on different points and still be Christians. There are certain tenets that are indispensable, but we won’t have all of the answers until we get to heaven. It does seem odd that all Christians worship the same God and have the same Holy Spirit to guide us, yet disagree on multiple points of interpretation. Maybe this is a product of God giving us brains instead of making us robots. The important thing is to have unity within the truth of the gospel despite our differences. Even Jesus’ 12 disciples were a diverse group – the outspoken Peter vs. the quiet John, Simon the Zealot vs. Matthew the tax-collector. Yet they all followed Christ and changed the world in His name.

      • Lisa on July 6, 2019 at 2:20 pm

        Terry, a Christian is never alone. They always have the Holy Spirit, Jesus, and God with them. I am only suggesting for you to stop everything that YOU are doing and spend some time with the Holy Spirit who will guide and teach you the right way of being. As I said in my comment, it is hard to get over oneself and be alone with the Holy Spirit who will love you into doing what is right and not what some well meaning teacher says is right.

        • Terry on July 6, 2019 at 2:47 pm

          I agree that time alone with the Spirit is important…maybe a weekend spent in solitude or even a week-long retreat (as one sister I know has done this), but a whole year without interacting with other believers seems excessive. And it’s not so much an either/or proposition, with either us teaching ourselves OR the Holy Spirit leading us; but “both-and” with us asking questions and studying the scriptures while the Spirit leads and directs. I’m not entirely clear on what you’re suggesting but it could be that we have different ways of describing the same thing. I suppose my red flag comes from thinking of all of the cults that began with “God told me…”

          • Jake on July 13, 2019 at 11:51 am

            Terry, you’re kidding, right? “God told me” is the authority of every book in the entire Bible. Abraham, Moses, all of the prophets, Paul on the Damascus Road, and even the Apostles themselves were told by the God-Man. If you don’t believe such stories from people you can see, how could you possibly believe them from people you have no sure knowledge even existed in the first place?

            Everything people say is a red flag, whether in the Bible or outside it, because people lie. You have to use your thinking organ to process it all, but that red flag is the beginning of the process, while you made it the end. You should be an atheist with such epistemology. So why do you believe the Bible? Because your parents told you to? If you’re like most, they also told you about tooth fairies and Santa Claus as well. Maybe even an egg-laying Easter Bunny.

            For me, if I want to know if God said something, I just ask Him. If it’s at all important, He’ll answer. What do you think Abraham and Moses would have done in the same situation? Read the Bible?



          • Terry on July 13, 2019 at 3:56 pm

            Jake…no, I’m not kidding but allow me to clarify. My comment was made within the context of people inventing their own belief systems outside of scripture. Not everyone who claims to have heard from God actually has, and Paul warned us that Satan can appear as an angel of light. When someone says “God told me…” and then follow with something that is contrary to the gospel and Biblical principles in general, that should be a red flag. For example I don’t believe God would tell someone to murder an abortion doctor because God doesn’t contradict Himself, and murder and taking the law into one’s own hands is clearly wrong according to scripture. God also wouldn’t reveal something secret to just one person (e.g., Mohammed, Joseph Smith) that He had kept hidden up until that point – which is part of why we have the Bible. If we didn’t, it would be so much easier for priests and pastors to rule by divine fiat, with a “new” message from God every day. Instead they are held accountable to a book that we can all read – or if not in cases of mass illiteracy they have judgment coming to them for misleading the people. So our standard of belief for “God told me” is whether something is consistent with scripture. I do think God still speaks to people today, in ways that are consistent with the gospel and His own character. He tells missionaries where they should serve, whether someone should accept that new job in a different city, if that man or woman is the person someone should marry. None of these things present “new” theology or contradict the principles He has already laid out in scripture, but show people how to apply it in specific situations.

            I also believe the Bible stories are true, and that God revealed Himself before scripture was written to Abraham, Moses, David and others in a way the He apparently does not today and has not since the canon of scripture was completed within the lifetimes of Paul and Jesus’ disciples. So of course the Patriarchs did not have the Bible to fall back on, and their understanding of the coming Messiah would have been limited. Still, they believed and obeyed God even though they weren’t perfect – which is one way we can know the scriptures are accurate as they don’t paint these “heroes” as flawless but as humans, warts and all. And the consistent theology over 6,000(?) years of Biblical history speaks to its reliability, as men using their own minds don’t agree on much. I was raised to believe the Bible (so yes, my parents told me to), but there’s also a depth of wisdom there that can’t be found anywhere else. And in the case of any book, it helps to know the Author.

            It would seem from your comments to me and others here that your experiences with Christians and the Church in general have made you angry, cynical and jaded. That makes me sad for you, and I would hope that you find a group of genuine, Bible-believing and Bible-teaching Christians who will love on you, encourage you and help you grow in your knowledge of the scriptures so you can understand the gospel of Christ for what it is.



        • chloe m connor on September 14, 2019 at 4:19 am

          I agree with you I heard God say a little while back that his real disciples will come out of the churches, because bad teaching that tickles people’s ears is rampant there are not many churches left teaching God’s word the only reason we have to study alone at the moment all the time is it’s hard to find people who truly are on the narrow path to study with us

    • Jake on July 13, 2019 at 11:38 am

      I would go yet further, Lisa, and leave the church altogether. They are the synagogues of the Pharisees. In His recorded mortal lifetime our Master never had a use for them.

      I Love you, my sister.

  56. Barbara on July 5, 2019 at 11:21 am

    Conclusion: there is basically one thing Christians do that non Christians despise:
    – Being a human, just like everyone else, imperfect and full of flaws.
    It seems to me like we have to be some sort of super hero, all virtuous, spotless and without a blemish. But guess what: we’re not, just like everyone else.

    • Terry on July 6, 2019 at 1:31 pm

      Exactly. We’re just forgiven.

      • Jake on July 13, 2019 at 12:03 pm

        Yes, you’re forgiven, but not them.

        Christianity as commonly practiced is toxic and narcissistic. And this is exhibit A.

        • Terry on July 13, 2019 at 4:03 pm

          The distinction of forgiveness is not intended to be elitist or merit-based, but a simple acknowledgment of our imperfection. Why would anyone need forgiveness if they were already perfect? Anyone can be forgiven if they would simply ask.

    • Pat on July 15, 2019 at 9:26 pm

      John 15:18-25, Jesus spoke about this:

      If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. Remember what I told you: “A servant is not greater than his master.” If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the one who sent me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin. Whoever hates me hates my Father as well. If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: “They hated me without reason.”

  57. Sarah on July 2, 2019 at 11:00 am

    This was an eye-opening article, but I had a lot of issues with it. First off, with the judging thing: there is a way to do this without it being a sin. The Bible calls us to let our brothers know when they are sinning. It says (forgive me, I can’t recall the reference) that the first person to notice a sin should go to the person alone and point it out. If they refuse to repent, it must be brought to the attention of the church elders, and they must talk about it with the person. If the person still refuses to repent, it must be brought to the entire church. And if they still won’t repent to the entire church, they must be cast out. Given, this takes place within the church, the Bible literally commands us to talk to people who are adamantly sinning. This leads me to believe that, if someone decides to become a Christian but they, say, are a homosexual, or a klepto, or have a significant other that they are intimate with outside of marriage, it needs to be brought to their attention that this is a sin. We cannot just ignore these things to allow corruption within the church. By judging these people, you ARE loving them, AND you’re loving the Lord. As for your comments on being a hypocrite, I thought that you were very accurate. We all sin, and we need to be much more willing to admit it than we are. However, I do feel that many Christians (at least where I live) are very humble! In my church, several people usually walk down the aisle every Sunday to confess their sins on their knees before the Lord. I’ll definitely give you that there are some Christians who think they are holier-than-thou, but maybe that is the biggest sin that they struggle with in their life! And as for the friendship part, it hit very close to home. Over the past year, I have tried very hard to create good relationships with some people at my school who pretty much hate God. They are atheists and homosexuals and people who have denounced their faith, and I realized in reading this that I have somewhat treated them like projects. I mentioned faith in most of our conversations. However, I did invest in other parts of the relationships. We would work on projects together, I’d compliment some of their artwork (a few in particular are incredible artists) and I genuinely thought we had a lot of fun together. The bad part to this is that someone saw me associating with these people and called my parents to tell me they thought that I was that way, too! My parents got mad at me and accused me of being emo, etc. They believed me when I said I was trying to witness to these people, but you were exactly right in here when you said that’s it’s looked down upon to befriend people the way that Jesus did. So overall, I thought your article was ok, and you definetly had some good points. But I hope that you yourself will try to draw closer to God and have a better relationship with Him before you go around writing Christian articles with almost no scripture references in them. And (a little roast before I go) you spent this whole article judging Christians. Just sayin.

    • E on July 17, 2019 at 12:13 pm

      One line in your comment should be number one on this list and represents a lack of empathy, perspective, and willingness to understand by the majority of individuals following the abrahamic religions. The assumption that non-believers in the god of abraham hate god. They do not. They see the god of abraham as a myth just like the multitudes of gods before and since, or as an all paths lead to the same place. That simple choice to demonize and dehumanize those who do not believe as you is the fundamental issue that creates a lot of the animosity. The sheer arrogance this unwillingness to understand another perspective turns a lot of people off, and is part of the “your my pet project” syndrome. While seeking to understand has never really been the strength of many dogmatic doctrines and is getting worse as the majority dwindles in america.

      • Terry on July 17, 2019 at 6:11 pm

        Well thus far nobody has come to my defense (perhaps to allow me to speak for myself) but I will post a few comments on Sarah’s (and all Christians’) behalf…In rejecting other religions, we are not “demonizing” or “dehumanizing” their followers. The reason for our seemingly exclusive (=arrogant) viewpoint is that Christianity is not just another moral code. Religion in most cases means man + good deeds = heaven, moksha, nirvana, etc. Christians understand that we cannot earn God’s favor by any amount of good works; rather we do good works as the result of our salvation by grace – which is God’s unmerited favor enacted by Jesus’ taking our punishment for us. What other religion can claim this? This is the message we have tried to share from the beginning, however imperfectly – a message that confirms human worth rather than devaluing it – but people still believe the lie that all paths lead to God. Perhaps we should have a deeper understanding of other faiths – and even atheism – for the sake of meaningful conversation, but our message will remain the same. To the world this appears as arrogance, lack of empathy and limited perspective, which the Bible terms “foolishness”; but we are fortunate that God made a way for us at all, and that anyone can choose it.

  58. Benjamin on June 30, 2019 at 7:18 am

    He said a lot, but he cited only one verse from scripture. This man loves his own voice, and his own opinions. He doesn’t even know God’s, if he isn’t consistently backing up what he says with scripture. Poor man, dragging many into hell with him.

    • Jake on July 13, 2019 at 12:05 pm

      Moses never backed up anything with scripture either. I guess the ten commandments are out the window then.

      • Pat on July 15, 2019 at 8:55 pm

        If the 10 commandments saved people then why the need for Christ’s crucifixion and resurrection?

        Jesus requires us to be born again. We need to recognize that we are sinners in need of the Savoir . The Father draws us to the Son through the Holy Spirit. Faith comes through hearing the Word. Without the Holy Spirit opening our spiritual understanding we remain unable to understand.

  59. Pat on June 28, 2019 at 11:00 pm

    In response to your comment, anyone can call themselves a Christian it doesn’t mean they are a follower of Christ. Perhaps you have heard of the “wolves in sheep’s clothing” , and warnings of False teachers and false prophets long ago? Evil doers parading as believers isn’t unanticipated to those familiar with the scriptures.
    The problem isn’t with Christianity it is with individuals.

    As far as God is concerned He can do as He sees fit because He is the all powerful Being . You are a finite being with a finite intellect so understanding the existence of an all powerful , all knowing being that always is in the present is beyond your current capability. A created being can not make sense of an infinite being without an intervention or drawing to Himself by His Spirit , though His Son . IE your sins must be for given and a measure of faith given through His word so you can understand. Without this it won’t make sense to you . I hope you do come to understand.

  60. Donald J Trump on June 4, 2019 at 2:14 pm

    Maybe that was a little too honest for you, eh Carey?

    • elena on June 13, 2019 at 6:53 am

      How does it feel to be denegrated as you just attacked an entire body of people because they follow the teachings of Christ (who is an excellent representation of the goals that all humans should work to attain).

      I truly believe that SOME non-christians (like you) feel the need to smear us in order to justify their own faith. Therein lies the real issue right? Because everyone has to have faith in something because there is no observable proof of creation/evolution/aliens/etc.

      Maybe your faith is in evolution or aliens or perhaps it just rage at God, because you feel He abandoned you. Whatever the reason, you certainly did not present a journalistic view. It was just a sarcastic ugly generalization of people that you have labelled under one umbrella. Oh wait. Isn’t that what you say we do? hmmm.

      • L on June 19, 2019 at 6:35 pm

        Yes, you see it clear!

      • Brooke on June 23, 2019 at 12:24 pm

        Elena stop being hateful. The author was simply trying to help christains become more christ like and non judgemental. The author did nothing wrong besides trying to help.

    • L on June 19, 2019 at 6:38 pm

      I agree and wow I could not have said this better Elena!

  61. Terry on May 31, 2019 at 12:52 am

    You are an inspiration to this non-Christian. As Thomas Merton pointed out, some of us cannot honestly force ourselves to believe what we cannot believe, but we may still seek the humility, authenticity, respect, and love that I suspect was was at the core of Jesus’ teachings. I find these qualities in some Christians, but also in people of other faiths, and they all inspire me to live the most meaningful and compassionate life I can. I am moved by the evident hunger to emulate these qualities of Jesus in this column.

    I am dismayed by the judgementalism I read in these comments, however, and, ironically, here this judgementalism is most frequently aimed by Christians at other Christians with whom they disagree on some finer point of doctrine, eschatology, or politics. I doubt that Jesus rejected anybody because of their beliefs and it is unsettling to see his followers reject each other – and everybody else – based on belief.

    The obvious correlate of love and humility has to include the acceptance that our opinions are sometimes inevitably wrong, and therefore to make love and respect the foundation of our interactions with others, rather than seeing them an enemy combatants on a battlefield of belief.

    • Terry on May 31, 2019 at 1:15 am

      p.s.: I’m not the same Terry as in other comments. I didn’t realize this person was in the comment section until after I wrote the above. So please don’t blame him for what I wrote above!

      • Terry on May 31, 2019 at 4:38 am

        Her, actually :).

    • One Sad Christian on June 3, 2019 at 12:29 am

      I do not agree one bit with this article, I’m sorry.. As a Christian I DO NOT judge anyone, I let God do the judging. I also have great relations with friends that don’t share the same beliefs and are agnostic etc and i do not judge them either, nor do i try to convert them or whatever you may think.. They have brains and can make up their own minds and opinions. i’m also not a hypocrite like the far left liberals that blame innocent people with crimes or what not but end up committing what they are accusing you of. Sorry about the politics but you can not have a discussion on religion and leave out politics. Also please don’t tell me “well then you are unique” or some other reasoning because i am definitely not the only Christian that thinks this way. If i did happen to agree with you, your 3 reasons are the most innocent that its a joke. What i mean by that is, are you really gonna despise Christianity over these 3 things you stated? How come i don’t see the same outcry over Islam? Yup, the same islam that will suicide bomb us Christians and non believers of Islam, shout “death to America” , blow up churches that are ignored by the media, throw any LGBT member off a roof, stone you to death, took down our buildings on 9-11, and i can go on and on.. instead you stay silent with them but yet hate on Christianity, try to ban Chic-fil-A from airports, and create hysteria over some Christians bakers that didnt wanna bake a cake for a gay couples wedding (Hypocrisy right there). I know the real reason why you despise Christianity and it stems from the old saying “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.” Lets face it the war on Christianity is definitely political. Hell , the left couldn’t even call us “Christians” when these cowards blew up the churches in Sri Lanka this last Easter.. What did they call us? Oh that’s right “Easter Worshippers”. Pretty sad if you ask me since Christ taught love and “love thy enemy” while Mohammed was quite the opposite, and probably cherished by you people that hate on Christians .. By the way, Terry this isn’t a reply to you, i just couldn’t find a way to start a new comment..

      • JK on June 11, 2019 at 10:52 am

        Sorry to leave a comment here about your reply. I am trying to be objective.

        So, first of all, you said, Christian don’t judge, but weren’t you judging Muslims and stereotyping their behavior that stems from political problem into what their religion teach them about. okay, wait, don’t get pissed. Just to tell from another perspective.

        Second, the author never mention HE despise Christian, but trying to convey how non- Christian think and react (innerly) towards Christian’s general behavior ( what I mean by general is, not applicable to EVERY CHRISTIAN).

        Yup, just my short reply as someone who happens to “passby” your comment.

        • A. on June 23, 2019 at 1:13 am

          I’m sorry but you have no idea what islam teaches about, JK. I think you should have read Quran, hadiths and Sira before posting your comment. The ignorance is very dangerous nowadays.

      • Roderick T on June 11, 2019 at 11:48 am

        I believe this article was a generalization of the average Christian and did not include all Christians but I say “if the shoe fits, wear it” , if not find one that does.
        Peace

    • Jake on July 13, 2019 at 12:16 pm

      Jesus said, in the presence of His own sainted disciples and the land of His own blessed virgin mother Mary, that a pagan Roman centurion had more faith than everyone in Israel. That’s how I know He was the real deal and why I find His claim to divinity credible: because He was as enlightened as a Supreme Creator would be. He didn’t care about religion any more than you do: His concerns were unconditional Love for everyone, from which flow non-judgmentalism, humility, and all those other values in your heart.

      You could be the truest of His disciples on this entire comment section. I certainly recognize you as a brother and fully expect to see you in the coming heaven, even just as you are now. He came to be a template, so that He would be “the first born among many brothers and sisters”. The falsehood of the churches is revealed in that they do not make their congregants better people, and they do not change the world.

  62. Christ-loved on May 25, 2019 at 5:54 pm

    Hmmm…. very interesting. Jenni with the good hair, you have a lot of comments on here. I think you’re still searching for something, that missing link, hopefully you’ll get it! People like you make the best apologists/ believers the Kingdom Of Heaven will offer. Just like Apostle Paul!
    The Bible— besides hearing from God frequently—that’s our one true operational manual. Now note, it’s not our God, it’s not what we believe in, it’s just our manual. Jesus (the son of God) is who we call savior, master, friend, brother, and Lord.
    All the controversy about the shortcomings of Christians, non-Christians and atheists is just that, CONTROVERSY. Believe it or not, everything that is proposed to happen in this world, will happen. There’s no stopping the prophecies in the Bible from unfolding. Let’s all remeber that. For those of us who are in the body of christ already: never depart from the Bible, I beg of you. I struggle to read it sometimes, I’ll admit but I know how important it is. It is indispensable! The Bible doesn’t exist of it’s own, it can be interpreted in many different ways and the negative effects of this can be seen all around us today—all the damn CONTROVERSIES. Although, there’s a good side, the Bible can be interpreted by the author—God. Before you read it, pray one simple prayer: Lord, as I read this, open my eyes of understanding, and open my heart of acceptance. Let me not be led astray. And for those of us not in Christ (yet) let me be the first one to tell you; THE FIGHT IS NOT AGAINST YOU, ITS AGAINST THE DEVIL. So don’t feel too threatened, if anything you should feel challenged, to take a new step (surely the best you’ll ever take), in life. Find out for yourself what this Jesus-people are always talking about, I assure you it’s more fun than they potray it as.
    Anyone who is not Christian, and who also understands the intricate workings of the powers of good and evil at play in the world and the place of the supernatural, will attest to this; things are so much bigger than what we see. It has always been that way, and it will always be that way.
    As far as controversies go… just like Christ intended Christianity will never be forced on anybody. Jesus offered a path, a solution, a promo offer (if you will), and a suggestion. He says they’re two paths in life; one of death and destruction that might look good and pleasing, and one of love, restoration, acceptance, growth and relationship which is also paved with a few jagged patches (life’s troubles and oh our sweet sweet confusing controversies). He says we can choose any, that in itslef is the POWER OF FREE WILL THAT GOD HAS GIVEN TO ALL MANKIND. But wait.. wiat, he strongly advises that we choose the path of life, love and restoration. After you’ve chosen the path, stick close to the sweet fellowship of the Holy Spirit, continue to run back to God and rant about all your worries. At that rate, all of the confusion that the devil has put in your way will melt one by one, all of the second guessing, the social media controversies, the tests of patience, the temptation to just ‘forget about it all’, and every other thing in between is no match for continuous fellowship with Jesus Christ.
    Remember this and remain blessed beloved.

    • vince on June 30, 2019 at 5:12 pm

      Yes, as believers in Christ we have an ultimate guide book….the Bible to giude us down this path in life and we should never stray from it very far. We are imperfect people who need a perfect Father to guide us in what is right and true. Often our emotions get in the way and we can get confused. God is not the author of confusion….Satan/ The Devil is. We are in a constant spiritual battle while we are here and it is not easy but if we ALLOW, God WILL direct us. It is a simple plan he has left for all of us to choose, or not to choose….up to us….free will. If this is all true…the Bible, God, Jesus, I would want to know it was either true or false as all eternity depends on it as far as I/you are concerned. To put this off for any reason is to make the most important decision of your life not possible for you. We spend so much time wasting away when we could just look into the Bible and teachings of Jesus and our lives can be changed forever…..here and hereafter. “Seek me as gold or Silver, and you will find me”…..

  63. William Davis on May 22, 2019 at 11:01 pm

    May I submit to you that if you honestly believe that you are a hypocrite that you need to be born again. It’s not that you have dispensed with the carnal or natural man. It’s still there as long as you live in this fleshly tabernacle. The trouble with that statement is that it disavows the new nature that you have been given. To put it frankly you have defiled or condemned yourself with your own words. You started out well when you rightly said that many of us judge people and condemn them ( I know that I have been guilty of the same ). However, what you have followed up with flies directly in the face of certain Scriptural truths 2 Cor 5:17, 21 we are new creations, we are the righteousness of God in Him. When you proclaim that you are a hypocrite you discredit everything that Christ did on the Cross for you. Please don’t get it twisted. Do we make mistakes? Of course we do. But perhaps the biggest mistake that we as Christians make is that we don’t learn to adopt the Pauline revelation of who we are. We are in Him. And we live by His Grace. If you have a Grace based mentality you will not want to condemn anyone else. If you have a Grace based mentality then old habits that initially seemed to die hard abate effortlessly. If you have a Grace based mentality you will ultimately experience greater sanctification. But if you hold on to a sin_conscious mentality then you inhibit the work of the Holy Spirit in your life. Many Christians are acquainted with the negative side of confession. Yet, the Bible has much more to say about the positive side of confession or the Word of Faith. Right thinking results in right believing which results in right living. And while I’m not so sure that you’re thinking is in the right place, I know that your heart is. Thank God for His Grace! May the Grace of the Lord Jesus be with you

  64. John Collignon on May 13, 2019 at 5:01 am

    When one side is labeled as incorrect in their ‘judgement’, then those accusers must be right. If this is correct, then the author of this piece believes she’s (or he) right. Explain this. Why are your judgements decidedly right and the Christian’s decidedly wrong ? I would suggest you dwell on this awhile.

    • Don Roberson on May 20, 2019 at 1:09 am

      The Bible tells us to not associate with unbelievers to the point we hang around them regularly because we could eventually become corrupted or led away from our faith…it’s true Jesus did eat and drink and visit with all kinds of people… but….he did not socialize with those people on a constant basis. His disciples he spent time with of course as they were HIS followers….we too must socialize with co-workers…and people we casually meet everyday…we should do our best to share the love of Jesus and what he does and can do for us all…
      Non-christians often feel judged by Christian’s because when the WORD of GOD is shared with them their consience can become convicted by what GODS WORD says… but they blame the Christian who shared it or when they read it or hear it at church…This is not Judging by any Christian…. but by GODs WORD… big difference….

      • Bane on May 20, 2019 at 1:33 am

        The only examples of not associating with non-believers that fall under the new covenant comes from Paul in 2 Corinthians 6:13-15 and 1 Corinthians 15:33. But these specifically applies to adhering to and strengthening one’s faith, not associating with people who are non-believers that do not stray you from your path.

        Your perspective of “you are either with us or against us” is a perfect example of exclusionism being talked about in this article, and creates prejudicial division with good people for no reason other than the fact that you read it from a book written and edited by men claiming it is the word of Godvfor the past several thousand years.

        People forget that God is, in fact, a God; so maybe he has people on the same path, just a different way of going about it. It’s sad that you justify pushing people away, regardlesss of their quality and the content of their character, simply because they don’t do exactly as you do.

        I have known many Christians who do good works, yet even more non-believers who did equally the same or more, and never once disregarded someone or refused to form a deeper emotional relationship with them for not sharing their beliefs. This is exactly why Gandhi said, “Oh, I don’t reject Christ. I love Christ. It’s just that so many of you Christians are so unlike Christ. If Christians would really live according to the teachings of Christ, as found in the Bible, all of India would be Christian today.”

        • Jake on July 13, 2019 at 12:31 pm

          Not only that, but if Paul contradicts Jesus, then Paul is wrong. Paul spoke his own opinion all the time anyway, even making explicit that He wasn’t speaking with God’s authority.

      • Amy on May 22, 2019 at 10:13 pm

        You are not bringing anyone to God. You embody the judgementalism that’s written about in this article. Your life should be a light & not a wall.

        • Jim T. on May 22, 2019 at 10:32 pm

          Amy,
          You raise a good point. Bring it a little deeper. light attracts but without any words or sound! One cannot be a light if their light is hidden behind a shroud of inner insecurity…such as one who is the least bit concerned about judgemental-ism. Peace!

      • Kristine on June 20, 2019 at 2:58 am

        Jesus message to the Outcasts of this depraved earthly paradigm was: Go and sin no more.

        • Jake on July 13, 2019 at 12:35 pm

          The entire law is wrapped up in the commands Love God with everything you’ve got and your neighbor as yourself. That is how you go and sin no more. No more, no less. The “law” is advice on how to do that. It was made for our benefit, not for our judgment.

  65. Jenni on May 12, 2019 at 8:18 am

    As an antithiest, there’s things I’d like to add to that list.

    1. Saying people misinterpreted the bible when they’re interpreting it literally. The bible being fully coded is like opening up the Never Ending Story and letting it take you on a personalized ride.

    2. Saying they only follow the teachings of Christ to ignore terrible sciptures.

    3. Thinking athiests are mad at their God, and that’s universally what made all of us athiests.

    4. Praying instead of taking action.

    5. Waiting for the apacolypse instead of actively trying to change things.

    6. Justifying away the power dynamic in the bible. God > man > woman > child > animal. Which reflects itself in abuse statistics.

    • Anetta on May 14, 2019 at 4:02 am

      Agreed. Even though I’m Christian. 🙂

    • Pat on June 28, 2019 at 10:04 pm

      Hi Jenny,

      I was an atheist who became a Christian so perhaps I can shed some personal perspective on your comments.
      Interpreting the Bible – there are lots of places where it’s not meant to be translated literally , Revelations for example contains a great deal of figurative language ,metaphor, symbolism and so fourth. But there is truth behind these. For example, the term Lamb of God as a reference to Christ . We know he wasn’t a literal lamb but there is truth to his lamb-like demeanor when He laid down His life and the fact that the Jews of the day offered sacrifices their sins.
      As far as “the story ” goes it definitely has a beginning and an end.

      2. ignoring terrible scriptures? I’m unclear as to what your comment means.

      3.atheists being mad at God . – I was separate from God as an atheist and in my sin was not a child of God . I argued against the existence of God every time I had a chance to do so and was full of anxiety and lacked any hope. Angry ? Yeah I think that is fair . I tried to place my hope in humanism and leaving my part of human potential behind on the world, so in some sense my life mattered in the face of an impending physical death. My thoughts at age 25.
      Life was to me a senseless ratrace of birth,schooling, career, mariage -possibly children and death. This did nothing for my sense of hopelessness and impending death and the apparent meaningless existence of humanity. I had little empathy for other people and was drowning in self -centered destruction and dislike for Christianity and Christians were to me simple and I disliked holy people. And then the search began….for truth. That and peace I wanted above all else.

      4. praying instead of action -We often pray before action or in a case where there is nothing to be done , we pray.
      “Faith without works is dead”.

      5. waiting for the apocalypse instead of changing things- – – -Real Christians are changing things ,they are spreading the Gospel, feeding the hungry, counseling those who lost loved ones, supplying clothing to the needy, helping during disasters , contributing money to the needy …..We all have gifts and talents and we use those to help others.

      6. Justifying away the power dynamic in the bible. God > man > woman > child > animal. Which reflects itself in abuse statistics. – – -So God has more power than man – -ok. Man has more power than woman. In many areas sure men have held more power in certain spheres. However , woman have also had power in certain spheres that men haven’t had. Instead of seeing imbalance we see completeness like 2 pieces of a puzzle both valued equally but serving different roles. Men aren’t permitted to abuse their wives in Christianity nor are wives permitted to abuse their husbands. They are to love – -“Husbands love your wives as Christ loves the church”. As far as abusing animals I don’t see anywhere in scripture where it says to abuse animals we are to take care of them. There was animal sacrifices where they were killed but I’m not aware of commands to torture or abuse animals. And Christ put an end to the animal sacrifices.

      So because of the “power structure” , abuse necessarily must follow? If it hasn’t always resulted in abuse then what is the dynamic like in the instances where abuse didn’t take place? I would argue its not the structure but rather the individuals that make the difference. Because for example child abuse has existed should we then have children raising, teaching and guiding their parents?

    • Jake on July 13, 2019 at 12:48 pm

      On #2, the teachings of Christ are the only part of the Bible I actually believe in, because they’re the only ones that make any sense. Why would I not ignore the rest of the Bible where it tells women to be silent and wear veils and provides for their sexual enslavement? Why would I follow the homophobic and pro-slavery bits? They are preposterous on their face.

      I was just hoping you could add some color to that one.

      As for the rest of the list, spot on. You seem like more of a Christian than anyone I ever met in a church. But then, I don’t think Jesus required you to believe anything to follow Him, just to value Love and Goodness as your core virtues, and to Love people and seek their good as much as you seek your own.

      • Pat on July 15, 2019 at 8:37 pm

        Jesus requires us to be born again. We need to recognize that we are sinners in need of the Savoir . The Father draws us to the Son through the Holy Spirit. Faith comes through hearing the Word. Without the Holy Spirit opening opening our spiritual understanding we remain unable to understand.

      • stop on September 21, 2020 at 6:12 pm

        Lol where in the Bible does it say women should wear veils to cover themselves. You’re a hypocrite and I’m not even going to even bother to expose your false faith. You’re just another agnostic who agrees with some of Jesus’s teachings. Some.

    • KhánhMinh Nguyễn on July 28, 2019 at 4:21 am

      Christians are sadistic sociopaths. I don’t have to be an atheist to see that. In fact, because I am not an atheist, I can see Christians for who they truly are.

      It is really frightening that these terrorist sympathizers have political power. Many people think Trump is a terrible president. Imagine Mike Pence becomes a president. Atheists, LGBTQ community, and religious minorities will suffer Christian theocracy.

      I hope that day will never come, but our country seems to slowly get to that direction.

      • Terry on July 28, 2019 at 6:19 pm

        It’s interesting that those holding opposing viewpoints each seem to consider themselves the underdog, as it were…for Christians, our forecast (and fear) is that we will lose what freedoms we have remaining to practice and share our faith if we remain silent and do not defend them. I can’t speak for all Christians but I myself would not want to see a Christian theocracy, just a republic in which everyone is free to speak and live out their beliefs without censorship, persecution or being asked to choose between following their faith or obeying the law. I believe this is what the Founding Fathers intended. But as this isn’t really a political thread I think we’d be getting off-topic to go beyond this irony…

      • Sandra Shepel on September 14, 2019 at 12:21 am

        Your comments are offensive and not really a response to this article, so I would appreciate you stop insulting the Christians and show respect to our President and Vice-President who never have spoken of any theocracy and are just trying to improve our lives. Your last name seems to be Vietnamese so you probably know about the “killing Fields” and how much Christians suffered when the Atheist Marxist Communist took over! You judge the Christians calling them all sociopaths & friends of terrorists, which is false. You should be happy to live in a Country where there is freedom of speech, which many take advantage because you are not in North Korea, or China or Iran, etc. or any other Country where you cannot say or do anything against the leaders or you end in prison, tortured and dead…if you are not happy here then you are free to leave, not like East Germany under Soviet control when they would not allow their people to escape! But if you stay, we hope you will open your heart to JESUSCHRIST because HE accepts you as you are and offers you what no dictator or politican can offer: peace, love, joy, eternal life in a place with no hate, no tears, no misunderstandings or divisions.

        • Sandra Shepel on September 14, 2019 at 12:24 am

          Sorry, the above comment is a reply to the comment of KhánhMinh Nguyễn

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  67. Patty on May 8, 2019 at 10:43 pm

    For anyone to assume that they know how ALL Christians are like or what and how they believe is hypocritical, judgemental, and just plain ignorant. NOT ONE SINGLE person on Earth has any right whatsoever to ever judge anyone or their religion, their beliefs or non-beliefs. There are bad, hypocritical and judgemental people in EVERY SINGLE religion, and to believe otherwise is absurd, foolish and very unrealistic. All you so-called “wonderful” people who don’t like Christians can believe whatever you wish, and keep your ugly noses in your own business and out of everyone else’s!! I’m sure, though, that most Christians couldn’t care less what non-Christians say or think, anyway, and non-Christians need to do the same.

    • Your abusive God on May 12, 2019 at 8:25 am

      1. Y’all can and will make christianity a part of your identity. So we can’t talk about our problems with an institution without offending you personally.

      2. When we do call out a terrible Christian, or an entire ministry, y’all will pretend like they’re some alien force that has nothing to do with the bible, its teachings, or christianity. So you may not be a bad person, but you certainly arent doing squat to figure out the problems within christianity, or your abusive God that you worship and serve, eh?

      • smitty on May 19, 2019 at 7:49 am

        Wow. OK. So for me I try to concentrate on myself and my own shortcomings. There are enough of those to keep me busy for the rest of my life. I leave the rest to God. I have no right to stand in judgment of others, that is not my purpose in life. I see my purpose as having a “personal” relationship with God. Not sure I ever considered it to be an “identity”. For me I just concentrate on my personal relationship with God and the best way for me personally to do that is not to spend time judging others. I don’t perceive the Bible to be “coded”. In my opinion we should spend less time with trying to figure out other peoples problems and more time on our own. How can I really love another person without loving myself first or have my own house in order. Every single human being is on their own journey. There is nothing I can do to change that. So “calling someone out” on what they are going through at a particular moment in time is not my job. Hopefully God can help them. There are bad people everywhere. Christians, Muslims, Atheists, etc. etc, I just takes me further and further away from my personal relationship with Christ to judge everyone else’s shortcomings. Hopefully I can become a better person every day. Your post has made me think about that. Thanks!

      • Son of God on June 30, 2019 at 3:56 pm

        I in no way am offended by anyone pointing out the short comings is any so called Christian institution. Many institution claim the name but have never followed the way. Many preach the way for profit or other motives. All in all the way is spoken and we can make our choice. But if we confuse the message with the messenger we will only see the short comings of the messenger, as Gandhi and the op did. They both start by judging all Christians. I hope one would study the way, truth and light then put it unto action, this I THINK is the only way to find out for ones self if his is THE WAY. Until then you can not really know what tour talking about

        • Jake on July 13, 2019 at 12:57 pm

          The bad fruit of the messenger is every reason to reject his message. Jesus said a good tree cannot produce rotten fruit. The world rejects the churches because they are false.

  68. LaRona Son on May 7, 2019 at 8:05 am

    What is this? Platitudes and opinions about human behavior and psychology? It is not about us. It’s about Jesus Christ and what he did on the Cross to redeem us. Comparing ourselves amongst ourselves we become fools. We are to preach the gospel. That those who are without Christ are dead in sin. That they are enemies of God, and that without repentance and faith toward Jesus Christ and what be did on the Cross they will face an eternity in hell. Period. Christian’s are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus, not because they ate sin free, but because of they are no longer looking to self, but to Christ. We died with him 6000 years ago and ate raised to newness of life in Him. If our faith remains in Him, the Holy Spirit continues to work in us to form us into the image of Christ. We need to continually preach don’t look at me, look at Him! Nor try to make ourselves into some sort of icon. Jesus didn’t die to make us spiritual supermen in and of ourselves. He died to that wr might die and he might live in us. He is our strength and him alone or we dont have any. Come back to the faith of the Son of God who lived us and gave himself for us!

    • Terry on May 7, 2019 at 9:08 am

      Two words, LaRona Son…Amen, and proofread! 🙂

    • Jenni doesn't think you're smart on May 12, 2019 at 8:27 am

      Nice superiority complex. Did your abusive God give that to you?

  69. Jeff N. on April 3, 2019 at 3:32 pm

    Very interesting read with some good points made. However, the comment of one cannot judge and love someone at the same time doesn’t make much sense to me, especially in terms of parenting.

    • Malcolm on April 25, 2019 at 10:53 am

      Except that you’re not my parent.

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  71. Bane on March 30, 2019 at 10:30 pm

    I dislike that the woman I love (and whom claims to love me as equally) likely won’t marry me because I will not accept Jesus as God.

    I have recently found God in my life, and come to love Jesus for the sacrifice he made to absolve me of my sin, and have changed my life to live in his example with regards to forgiveness and kindness. However, I personally have not been able to feel the grace of God with regards to accepting that Jesus is God incarnate. I’m also conflicted with works compiled by man, because we honestly don’t know if the words in books like the Bible have been altered over the centuries to fit the needs and justifications of men. I ask God about this every night, to guide me to an answer of the true path and if the current Christian model is truly his will, and yet these feelings of mistrust with regards to what other men say we should do continuously get stronger, and I constantly feel God has me on a different path with him, just as I was on a drastically different path to find him.

    I feel the conflict being generated by other Christians due to my similar but different beliefs are ruining my relationship, not because my significant other honestly believes the words and scriptures allegedly contradicting our union, but because others in her church are telling her it’s wrong, and that to be a good Christian woman, “God” and “the Bible” say you can’t marry a nonbeliever who doesn’t accept Jesus as God. Is it not enough that we both love God and Jesus? Is it not enough we agree on essentially everything religiously, with the acception that I don’t consider Jesus to be the exact same person as God? Furthermore, why would God put someone in my life that would help me find my way to his love, and to the woman I came to love, only for it to be a “surprise! You guys can’t love each other.”

    It breaks my heart that what I came to accept as a religion, or I should say specific followers of w religion, allegedly based on acceptance, love and forgiveness, would be so quick to judge and destroy this wonderful thing that I know God put in my life. It makes me very resentful and question Christianity even more than I did before, reaffirming by assumption that this religion is not the true word of God, and rather one manipulated and distorted to fit the needs of men. This is tribalism at it’s finest, and I know in my heart this is not the will of God, because God would not be this cruel.

    • Wizard Of X on April 11, 2019 at 5:45 pm

      You’re in a tough position. If you both share the same spirituality, then it shoudn’t matter what or who you call your God. The believe in the SPIRIT of Christ is what most would consider the important part of Christianity. Isn’t being Christ-like the ultimate expression of what the Christian God would expect, and judge you for? This is precisely the problem the author talks about. I’m an Atheist, although I believe I live my life more Christ-like than most Christians I know. I have a wonderful marriage of 12 years because my wife’s spiritual values are the same. If wouldn’t matter to me what RELIGION she was, as long as her values and mine worked together. Being a “Professional Christian” doesn’t make you Christ-like. Just practice as he preached. Good luck to you.

      • Terry on April 16, 2019 at 7:23 am

        And yet your sins are unforgiven because you haven’t repented and asked for Christ’s forgiveness. You may live the rest of your life without sin (if that is even possible), and there are many “good” people out there; but no amount of good deeds can make up for the evil that we do. That’s why Jesus had to die. Unless we receive him and allow HIS grace to change us and not our own efforts, we still die in our sins.

        • Melody on April 21, 2019 at 6:31 pm

          Sigh… This comment is a perfect example of the judgmentalism Carey is talking about. You have no right to presume someone’s spiritual state. You do not speak for God, and your interpretation of the Bible is not necessarily the same as someone else’s. Try a little humility.

          • Terry on April 22, 2019 at 8:13 am

            Hi Melody…It seems that what it means to “judge” is a point of disagreement between Christians and non-Christians. Judgment is evaluating someone against my own personal rules. If a passenger in my car points out that I’m breaking the speed limit, she’s not judging me; she’s just pointing out the law which she did not write. If I tell people what the Bible says (and most of it leaves little room for alternate interpretation) I’m not passing judgment in the sense of applying my own personal standards. Christians can be judgmental when it comes to alcohol, R-rated movies and other things the Bible doesn’t specifically address (and it does say NOT to judge in this way); but there is verse after verse that tells us how to be saved (which is good news, btw). I only glean information about Wizard of X’s “spiritual state” by his own comments, and if he is indeed an atheist then by definition he cannot have asked for God’s forgiveness. Note that I used the word “we” in my comments to him as I myself am included in those who need this. No true Christian can claim to have earned God’s favor by being good enough.



          • vince on April 26, 2019 at 10:46 pm

            Yes, we seldom have enough info to assume/presume someone’s spiritual state….”by their fruits you will know them”….and even then we are never really sure, so we must love all equally and hope to be an example/witness and treat everyone as we would like to be treated. God is responsible for their spirit, we must be the vessel….and be available…..



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        • Bane on April 27, 2019 at 12:37 am

          That’s your problem, Terry: you are speaking on behalf of God, justifying your beliefs worth your own interpretations of what you think is right. Who are you to speak on behalf of God and tell me what is right, and cast judgement on me for not believing exactly what you do? Responses like yours are why I turned my back in Christianity. You claim love and acceptance, yet only if we believe what you do.

          To everyone else: thank you for your kind responses. This wonderful woman in my life played a major role in me finding my way to God through the strength of her beliefs and the love and kindness of her heart that she always attributes to her faith. It’s just sad that other people in her life have so much influence over her decisions, with them telling her it’s wrong because I’m not apart of their religion.

          • Terry on April 29, 2019 at 7:08 am

            I’ve tried to present my comments in an explanatory light (which may or may not have come through), as I’d rather have a dialogue than an argument. I would reiterate my definition of “judgment” (see above), but I know that to many non-Christians our beliefs seem judgmental and unloving – and indeed the message of gospel in itself is offensive as it seems exclusive and people don’t like being called sinners. As for acceptance of non-believers, we ARE commanded to love Christian and non-Christian alike; but to non-Christians this love includes sharing the truth, however much it might sting. God does accept everyone as they are (as we couldn’t have a relationship with Him if He didn’t initiate it), but then He sets about fixing us as He loves us too much not to. Thus what may appear to be our lack of acceptance is actually acceptance of the person but not per se his/her beliefs (and who agrees 100% on everything anyway?) as we want others to have the relationship with God that we’ve been given. It’s not about agreeing with us per se; it’s about agreeing with God (and beyond the basics, even Christians disagree on several points – hence the multiple denominations).

            It is a difficult situation you’re in, and I hope the Christians in your lady-love’s life are not making it worse with rudeness (and I do commend you for wanting to officially commit to her). But apparently sharing the same beliefs and worldview in marriage, as the most significant human relationship in life, is very important. Even if you ultimately choose not to receive Christ, I hope you can at least understand the concerns of her friends and family.

            I’m not sure this would be the appropriate forum for an extended discussion, but if it seems that I am applying my own personal interpretation of the Bible I would invite others to read those passages on being “unequally yoked” and why good works are not enough for being “Christian”, in the context in which they were written, and comment on what they mean. Given that scripture often runs counter to our preconceptions (not to mention the unflattering portrayals of Bible characters), man’s manipulation of it to fit our own beliefs seems unlikely – in addition to there being a Bible at all as it would be much easier for priests to rule by divine fiat. I’ve met Christians on the other side of the globe, with a different history, who speak and read the Bible in a different language and yet share the same beliefs, even under persecution. I don’t imagine that we’d come to an agreement here, but I do hope you’ll continue to discuss these things with your lady and even her friends and family. It could very well be that God brought you together to bring you to Himself.



          • Terry on April 29, 2019 at 8:43 am

            Reading back over Bane’s comments on Jesus’ sacrifice to absolve us of sin, I would just add that if Jesus is not God, He was just a man and was therefore not qualified to make atonement for us. Perhaps I should have focused my comments on this as the controversies over marriage and good works are symptomatic of this fundamental disagreement. For this oversight I apologize. In any case, I would add this topic to my above invitation for discussion if this seems too narrow an interpretation.



        • I Hate Christians on May 4, 2019 at 5:37 pm

          Get fucked, Terry.

      • Lynn on May 21, 2019 at 9:41 pm

        This makes me sad too BUT, at the same time…praise God you are not willing to succumb to the opinions and interpretation of men. Keep seeking the one true living God…he said, seek me and you shall find me. Not, seek men’s wisdom and you shall find me. The bible is the most scientifically and historically authenticated book ever published. I am an analytical, rebellious type who mercifully God has loved, blessed and given me hope beyond measure. I truly, and wholly believe Jesus Christ is both fully man and God, I believe the Father, Son and Holy Spirit…but cannot fathom it. Thinking you can understand the God of the bible is like trying to fit the ocean inside your coffee mug. It will never happen and he says so over and over and over. My journey to faith in the blood of Jesus to reunite me back to God was over 15 years! Jesus shed his blood to satisfy the wrath and righteous judgement of God. He took his blood and applied it to the judgement seat in Heaven. So all who have faith in the blood, Jesus says, Father, he is mine…he’s been cleansed in the blood. The bible says without the shedding of blood there is no remission for sin. Passover was a foreshadowing of Jesus. The Hebrews were instructed to take the blood of their animal and spread it around the door posts. When the death angel came and saw the blood he was not allowed to enter and take the first born son of that household. You may not believe this but it is between you and a very loving, faithful, and long suffering God. Please do not allow imperfect, prideful, and judgmental people deter you from your journey. Please dont pass judgment on God based on bad behaving people who may or may not be followers of Jesus. Jesus also said, some will come disguised as light but really is like a roaring lion who comes to kill, steal and destroy! I will pray for you and this woman you love. I dont know what God has planned for you both but there are hundreds of promises from him to those who love him of goodness, blessings, far greater than what we could think or imagine. I am excited for you both and what God has for you if you follow Him not man. All my best!

        • Bane on May 21, 2019 at 9:47 pm

          Thank you for your kind words and prayers, Lynn. This woman was the catalyst for me getting closer to God and accepting Jesus into my life, which is why it hurts so much that The same members of her church want to rip her away. Like you talked about: I leave it up to God to decide what happens, but I will fight for her until his will is done.

    • lenny on April 26, 2019 at 8:49 pm

      I’m in the somewhat of the same position. The woman I love is staunch Christian and I’m a bit of a liberal type person. I think that living a good life and trying your best to help humanity in your own way is the way . I don’t believe I was created to worship a deity and certainly I was not created to blindly worship without questioning what is written.
      The one thing that I can’t stand is the fact that she’s taught that she cannot marry a non believer. She has told me according to her belief I’m destined for hell for not believing in jesus. She’s basically damned me to hell and then says she loves me. It’s almost like she was hoping I’d see the light of her god and this is what I can’t stand. Christians force their religion on everyone non Christian and look down on others as hellbound for not believing. They damn the entire non Christian community as no good sinners who will burn in hell.
      Love thy neighbor should be changed to ‘love thy Christian neighbor and try to convert all other neighbors by damming them to he’ll.
      It’s scary to think that for the billions of non Christians that even maybe the kindest of them who are decent human beings will be all be damned to hell by jesus for not believing in him. Me personally,I’d burn in hell with the rest of the good folk who’s major crime was not believing.
      Christians are too judgemental.

      • Bane on April 27, 2019 at 12:44 am

        I agree with everything you have said.

        The woman I love has been been judgemental or forcing me to convert; only those around her. She is also on a major predicament because she doesn’t know if she should follow her heart and be with me (which she feels is being guided by God and the Holy Spirit), or to listen to those around her and not. She’s in a very hard place because if she chooses me over listening to them, she’s afraid she will be exiled from her church, family, friends, etc.

        I love her dearly, but I also would not want her to sacrifice the other people in her life for me, only to feel shunned by the other people she cares about. Ultimately, it is her decision, but I can’t understand how individuals claiming to follow a religion of love and forgiveness can be like this.

        • Bane on April 27, 2019 at 12:46 am

          Correction: The woman I love has NOT been judgemental or forcing me to convert; only those around her

      • vina on May 19, 2019 at 3:05 pm

        Christians are in no position to judge anyone as to their spirituality…God is. The Bible has been preserved over time so we may reach our own conclusions based on it’s authority or lack of it. Most will never take the time to study and research it enough as if what is in it could lead to eternal life, but just as an old outdated book. We all have to come to a decision regarding it….

        • Jake on July 13, 2019 at 1:12 pm

          Too bad Abraham never had a Bible to read. I guess he’s in hell then lol.

    • Tiffany on May 3, 2019 at 10:08 am

      I’m sorry to hear what you’re going through. I think a lot of your answers as to the questions of God and Jesus and their relationship to one another are answered in the new testament. In regards to your reservations about the bible I encourage you to watch “A Case for Christ.” It’s a movie on Netflix right now about a husband and wife who were both atheist and the wife turns to christianity and he is a reporter and goes on a quest to prove to his wife how it cannot be true. He addresses the fact that the books of the bible written by man with experts and this may help to give you clarity. I feel like God gives us all the answers we need through his son Jesus Christ. Just recently I read the entire new testament and I understand things more clearly than I ever have before so I hope and pray that you find the answers and clarity that you are looking for.

    • Scott Barrow on May 3, 2019 at 2:58 pm

      Bane, there is an abyss of difference between Christendom and Christianity. Your letter is heartfelt, and I admire you as you walk the path to Truth. Divorce yourself from every aspect that is religious and binding, and you will find what you are looking for. Most so-called Christians are actually only members of the false version known as Christendom, a word coined by the great true Christian Kierkegaard. We can’t marry unbelievers? Hosea married a whore, and he was a man of God–a prophet. I will say that Jesus is the Logos, and the Logos is God, therefore Jesus is God. But you will need to come to that conclusion yourself. And you won’t find your conclusion in the Bible, which only mirrors what we are taught by God first.

      • Terry on May 3, 2019 at 4:06 pm

        Hosea did marry a whore, but only because he was commanded to; not because he loved her. God was making a point about Israel as God’s “bride”, whoring herself out to other nations and their false gods. Sometimes there are exceptions to the rule, but only God is allowed to decide when. Otherwise I agree with your distinction between Christendom and Christianity – Christendom is an institution; Christianity is a relationship. But if Jesus is the Logos, the Word of God, we can trust what it says about who God is.

    • Jake on July 13, 2019 at 1:09 pm

      Christianity is a religion which is why it is false. Religions are all systems of thought and often political control, used for power and profit.

      I do believe that Jesus is God, that He, the Son, created the multiverse by His own power. But I do not believe it is necessary for you to believe that to follow Him in truth. Jesus said that a pagan Roman centurion had more faith than everyone in Israel, and His disciples heard him say this, meaning the pagan had more faith than them. Why? Because the centurion Loved. If you value Love above all and Love your neighbor as much as yourself, then you are following Him. The disciple Thomas didn’t even believe in the resurrection of Jesus, he had to put his hands in Jesus’s side to believe it. If it’s necessary for you to believe in Jesus’s divinity, He will provide it for you in due course, otherwise, don’t worry about it. Love should cast out fear.

      I hope your love finds her way to enlightenment and that you both have an abundance of life.

  72. Charley Horse on March 30, 2019 at 12:09 pm

    I became good friends with a very kind man. I knew he was a Christian but didn’t think much of it. It didn’t take long for him however to start judging the whole state of Califorina, gays, ‘lazy’ welfare recipients and all those people who ‘want a handout.’ He began pressuring me and my daughter to go to his church, which neither of us want to do. I began to feel unconmfortable. Finally the last straw was finding out that he practically raises Trump to sainthood and loves the Republican Party. I don’t care if he loves Republicans, but Trump was is way too much. You cannot be a Christian in good conscience and love Trump unless you are pitiably brainwashed. Sadly I don’t think I can ever be friends with this or hang out with anymore. I suppose it’s not his fault, but these people are just too much!
    By the way, I’m a gnostic Christian and read the Bible. I believe Paul is a false apostle and destroyed the church like the greedy always do. That doesn’t make me a Christian by almost all standards, but my conscience tells me that I’m closer to the Lord Jesus than the Paulians are.

    • AtlIronMan on April 22, 2019 at 6:01 am

      …and who’s doing the judging here?

      • N. Kent on April 23, 2019 at 3:55 pm

        Since you came to this blog and felt triggered, he might be talking about Christians like you. You know, the judgmental ones.

        • stop on September 21, 2020 at 6:18 pm

          Since you didn’t understand what they said, lemme say it nice and slow for you. You can’t judge people for being judgemental or else you’re a hypocrite. They were just pointing out that that was what Charley Horse seemed to be doing. You’re also probably one of those people if I had to guess.

  73. Richard on February 20, 2019 at 3:15 pm

    I Had to come to terms one day that it was God who is doing the saving. I merely responded to His grace. for by Grace you have been saved through faith and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God not of works lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2: 8-9.
    The biggest problem in all of Christendom is that no one is preaching a true gospel. That and people are coming into the churches who are not even born again and are setting up shop. If there is a real reason why you will find fault with alleged Christians is that they are not the genuine article. There are a lot of people out there to be professing Christians but are going to hear the words one day depart from me workers of iniquity I never knew you. The only real advice i can give you is do not trust in todays unbiblical teachings. Many are going away from the bible which is our only true authority on all things Christian. Go to God directly in prayer asking for His truth and guidance and to protect you from falsehood. Read the Bible and often. Study its contents especially the New Testament and know the truth for yourself. Don’t be putting your trust in mirror people and don’t base your faith on flawed human interactions. Put your sole trust in Christ alone.

    • Jim on February 20, 2019 at 6:52 pm

      AAAAAaaaaaamen!!!!!

  74. mark on February 19, 2019 at 12:36 pm

    Your book is missing something that you don’t seem to understand or grasp? A pit and a trap when you try to explain in human terms meanings of love for Christians to follow(rules). The law of God is kept in our hearts and mind and not in our actions, so that no man can boast that he should be saved….. only by the grace of God that we are saved. You are trying to rewrite the letter of the law by stating conditions? Jesus said” I came to fulfill the law and not too get rid of it. Love does love but it also can not deny the truth? What is the truth ? That Jesus paid the price for sin so we should forgive others like Jesus did. Sin is horrible and we can’t act like God who can read the human heart and mind of others. You need to find out what love is? Let’s say that you comments are true than why did Jesus chased out the people from the temple and call them bad names? You can’t call evil good and good evil because this comes from the Devil himself. Moses lift up the tables and said” who is on the side of God… and you know the rest of the story of what happen to the other people. Let me ask you a very deep question and probably you will rewrite other book to make money….questions from a mystic wants to know? How can God grant mercy and at the same time punish those that are evil? We are the mirror of God and not God himself. Any attempt to place conditions into us making us into God comes from the evil one. No one is perfect but God. So the same conditions that you imposed on another will be imposed on you. Now, that’s a lot to swallow and understand. So you see that neither side is correct in their thinking! You are only human not God. You can say to yourself but wait aren’t Christians fake but you’re doing the same thing by pointing it out. Acting like God !

    • Pierce on April 3, 2019 at 4:26 pm

      I believe the word “Love” needs to be defined, because the world has twisted it’s meaning. Love is simply Jesus Christ himself, not an emotion. Love died for your sins, to bring repentance and obedience to the holy Bible. Christians are commanded to keep each other accountable for their actions, but it must be carried out with the attributes found in 1 Corinthians 13, and it must always bring the person back into obedience to the Bible. Love doesn’t accept any wrongdoing, ever.

      • Jake on July 13, 2019 at 1:16 pm

        Wow you just deleted love from God, by circularly defining it as God. Why even bother telling us that “God is love” then?

    • Melody on April 21, 2019 at 6:37 pm

      More judgmentalism. Look in the mirror. You’re more arrogant than you say Carey is.

    • Melody on April 21, 2019 at 6:39 pm

      You’re extremely judgmental. You are far more arrogant than you accuse Carey of being. Stop being such a closed-minded bigot.

  75. Michael David on February 16, 2019 at 2:37 am

    Hi, I wrote this article for Christian’s struggling with hearing evil voices and protecting their mind and safeguarding their faith in God and Jesus Christ.  Please read and if you feel it can help other Christian’s that visit your website then please feel free to post. You can make any minor changes or additions you feel will help.  God Bless You.   How Christian’s Protect Mind & Faith While Hearing evil Spirits Inside Their Head And Outside The Body. Hearing Voices That Torture The Mind This is written for Christian’s struggling with hearing evil spirits inside and outside the body, and hearing voices that torture the mind. How to break the cycle of responding to and communicating. evil will arrange their words, sentences, and manipulate syntax, to use all their speech to cast evil spells, vex, and curses. THIS contains the SECRET to protect losing your mind, guard your faith, and safeguard your belief in God and Jesus Christ. After reading this you will EASILY recognize and understand the child-like plan evil uses. YOU will be able to protect your mind, sanity, and relationship with God and Jesus Christ. There are people, living, that have the ability to make and control their spirit to leave their body and travel to and invade another body. HOW and WHY evil communicates This is how evil uses communication to completely Warp your mind, brainwash you, and destroy your faith in Christianity. evil will arrange their words, sentences, and manipulate syntax, to use all their speech to cast spells, vex, and curses. Psychopaths, sociopaths, sadists, narcissists, sums up types of evil people. Some chose to turn away from God and Jesus Christ and turn to darkness. They now are evil and will use evil power against you. REMEMBER, one of the things they want is negative attention, like a little child throwing a temper tantrum. They want to Start a dialogue with you that NEVER ENDS and repeats OVER AND OVER again John 10:10. Matthew 7:15 PURPOSE AND MOTIVATION of evil My chart EXPOSES the child-like game that is used. It is a abuse cycle that has 2 phases used OVER and OVER AGAIN. Meaning it starts at phase 1, moves to phase 2, then moves back to phase 1 and then phase 2. So it just repeats OVER and OVER AGAIN, like a broken record. evil likes to torture for purpose of fun, to feel emotional pleasure and satisfaction because it’s the only way they can derive pleasure. evil achieves these feelings by infliction of pain and suffering, and anguish. They feel the need to develop and maintain control over people and every situation. What they fear the most is 3 things. 1) Losing control over people and situations they are controlling or trying to control. 2) Being exposed and people discovering that they don’t feel regret, remorse, sympathy, happiness, attachment, intimacy, love. Nothing. They learn to almost expertly fake human emotions to blend in and to manipulate victims. 3) They fear being abused themselves. John 10:10 GOALS OF EVIL evil will seduce, manipulate, coerce, lie, decieve, distort, lead you in opposite direction, abuse, bluff you, Attempt to brainwash you and re-condition you evil will arrange their words, sentences, and manipulate syntax, to use all their speech to cast spells, vex, and curses. Also for mind programming. Attempt to break your mind, lose your sanity, and grip on reality Attempt to abuse you and exploit your emotions. Attempt to destroy your faith and move you away from God and Jesus Christ Attempt to get you to agree to accept evil power Attempt to make you agree to make a satanic deal to sell your soul, body, spirit, and any or all Powers you received from God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. Attempt to make you agree to join them, then they take control of you, train and employ you, and have you do the same to others. evil will attempt to get proof of your crimes and threaten you so you never will be able to leave. Attempt to trap you, make you a slave, then use you for any purpose (John 10:10) Attempt to convince you your God or Jesus Christ in the flesh so you no longer worship God. Exodus 20:3 Attempt to use the same temptation used in the garden of eden by the serpent to deceive you to think you can be like God. Genesis 3:5 Attempt to make you commit the same sin as Lucifer. Isaiah 14:12-15 Attempt to convince you that evil really means good and good really means evil Attempt to convince you to commit suicide, or convince you to commit murder, or some serious crime. Attempt to make you believe Jesus Christ is not the son of God and that Jesus Christ is really God. John 3:16 1 John 4:15 2 PHASE CHILD-LIKE ABUSE CYCLE Honeymoon PHASE – used only once There are only 2 Abuse cycles they repeat OVER and OVER 1) Abuse Phase – subtle and really obvious and serious abuse. 2) Rescuer Phase – abuse that is almost undetectable and covert abuse. Fake bonding. They smooth talk you to Gain compliance, cooperation, obedience, trust Matthew 12:34 1st PHASE – ABUSE This phase will use subtle abuse and escalate to serious abuse. Use MAKE-BELEIVE CHARACTERS of PERCIEVED authority to bluff you and create MAKE-BELEIVE SCENARIOS AND SITUATIONS. They alternate MAKE-BELIEVE CHARACTERS and the MAKE BELIEVE REALITIES to maximize abuse. Also using reverse Psychology to force you to choose the option they want when they can’t normally force you to do what they want. 2nd PHASE – RESCUER Stockholm syndrom/Fake bonding/Trauma bonding. Rescuer, Mentor, Cheerleader, Playing The Victim, They reduce tension, stress, anxiety and move to being supportive to play the helper, protector, cheerleader, counselor, to started the brainwash cycle of obtaining your trust, confidence, compliance. Then you subconsciously believe they have rescued you or helped you or helped you out of the situation they created in the in the 1st place. They also call this the hurt and rescue principle where they’re responsible for throwing you off the boat into dangerous waters and now they throw you a buoy. Simply switching from the abuser to the rescuer. This cycle of switching back-and-forth between abuser and rescuer will continue OVER and OVER AGAIN until they attempt to achieve their goal. They will sometimes stay in this phase for different periods of time, sometimes short, sometimes long, They want to create fake bonding. Typically this phase has very sneaky and overt abuse tactics, mind warping that sometimes goes undetectable. REMEBER, this phase is about subtle abuse that it is often not recognized and to paint the picture that someone has entered the picture that is now your protector, mentor, guardian, long lost friend, rescuer. Matthew 12:34 Isaiah 5:20 ***REMEMBER, There are only 2 Abuse cycles repeated OVER and OVER and Only 9 make-believe characters that alternate back and forth. The 9 MAKE-BELIEVE CHARACTERS OF PERCIEVED AUTHORITY TRUST GAINING (RESCUER PHASE) 1) The Cheerleader Compliments, flattery supporting statements, ego building kindness, acting amazed when you speak or do something unamazing. This is simply to start the trauma trauma and mind warp you into forming a fake, sick, emotional bond. They want to pretend their on your side like their championing you. TRUST GAINING (RESCUER PHASE) 2) The Protector, Defender, Rescuer Helper false made up concern and caring used in interactions to exploit trust They do this to subconsciously condition your belief system to trust them, their percieved authority. NOTE : Be on the lookout for a new character who suddenly arrives that portrays goodness and this character will ask you questions that you already answered but this is just another make-beleive character made up by evil to keep the conversation going on OVER AND OVER again. It is a pattern of a never ending dialogue Of answering questions and communicating With them to reinforce the pattern of Continuously responding to them when they talk. TRUST GAINING (RESCUER PHASE) 3) The Questioner, Interviewier Questioning can be used as as form of control in communication. It is also used for fake bonding. evil will attempt to catch you off guard by surprise questions, to bait you into a NEVER ENDING dialogue where your answering questions, many times to put you on the defensive as well as to distract you. As children we are taught to obey authority and answer questions when asked. evil exploits this principle. The other intentions evil has is to to profile your personality They want to keep you in a pattern of responding OVER and OVER AGAIN. TRUST GAINING (RESCUER PHASE) 4) The Victim/Helpless Faking The victim and sympathy, They must always feel in in control and dominant. They want you to feel pity for them, by suggesting and playing the role of someone being victimized when really it is you who is the victim. They are playing on your normal human emotion of wanting to help and comfort another person in need. they thrive on negative attention. evil will arrange their words, sentences, and manipulate syntax, to use all their speech to cast evil spells, vex, and curses MIND WARPING – COVERT ABUSE 5) Storyteller, Narrator Controlling your mind by painting a picture of your expected future behavior. Telling the way things are that you do not see or realize to create trust and blind dependence. Also they want to control and shape your reality by poisoning your mind and grasp on reality by telling you things are not real, the reality you see or live in is not real, and make you believe your in some other reality. Shape, mold, and control your behavior, thinking, and view of reality. MIND WARPING – COVERT ABUSE 6) The Counselor, Psychologist, Advisor, The Mentor, The Teacher, Expert Induce concious and subconscious internal conflict in your mind, make you doubt and have self doubt. Ask you if your okay or alright in ways that try to induce paranoia, fear, anxiety, stress, and cause mental disorder, and loss of coping skills. Projecting fear with their vocal tone, patterns of speech, and use brainwashing language such as N.L.P. Sometimes when you answer questions evil will make it seem like they do not believe your answers and put you through a fake verification process. PUNISHMENT, CONTROL (ABUSE PHASE) 7)The Control Freak, Micromanager, The Critic Telling you what to do,nit pick, humiliation, make up rigid rules both small an big for you to follow because they have to establish control over you and power. This is undercover abuse. Shape, mold, and control your behavior, thinking, view of reality, evil will arrange their words, sentences, and manipulate syntax, to use all their speech to cast evil spells, vex, and curses PUNISHMENT,CONTROL (ABUSE PHASE) 8) The Persecutor, Prosecutor, The Critic, The Bulley criticize, ridicule, belittle, destroy, self esteem, keep you on the defensive, accusing, slander, they label you, insult you, use curse and humilitian Setting rules to control and abuse abuse. Shape, mold, and control your behavior, thinking, view of reality, Setting rules to control and abuse. evil will arrange their words, sentences, and manipulate syntax, to use all their speech to cast evil spells, vex, and curses. PUNISHMENT,CONTROL (ABUSE PHASE) 9) The Punisher, Torturer, Tormentor Threaten to send someone to kill you, threaten to kill you, death threats of family, friends, and loved ones to make you feel fear, anxiety, panic, stress, and unsafe. Telling you there is poison in your food, in the water. Shape, mold, and control your behavior, thinking, view of reality. evil will arrange their words, sentences, and manipulate syntax to use all their speech to cast evil spells, vex, and curses. BASIC AND NATURAL HUMAN EMOTION ABUSE evil will provoke, use, exploit, manipulate, distort these BASIC and NATURAL human Emotions to produce abuse, trauma, mental breakdown and torture psychologically, spiritually, socially, emotionally Love, Care, Trust, Joy, Happy, Excited, Surprise, Anger, Sad, Pride, Fear, Rage, Shame, Neglect, Self Esteem, Ego, Safety and Security Then make evil offers, evil bargains, evil aggrements, evil negotiations, and satanic deals. Shape, mold, and control your behavior, thinking, view of reality, evil will arrange their words, sentences, and manipulate syntax, to use all their speech to cast evil spells, vex, and curses. PROTECT THE 4 REAL EMOTIONS evil IS AFTER There are 4 EMOTIONS evil really wants to attack is 1), to have you in a state of complete fear, 2), cause you to doubt yourself, your own thoughts, judgements, opinions, beliefs, 3), make you feel hopeless to the point that there’s no reason to go on, and 4), attempt to make you lose faith or belief in God and Jesus Christ. They want to destroy Christians and everything relating to Christianity. 1) Fear 2) Doubt 3) Loss of Hope 4) Faith/Belief SOLUTIONS Now you can RECOGNIZE and EASILY understand how the abuse is being done. Knowing this will give you the knowledge to guard and protect yourself. Next step is to STOP all communication with them. STOP answering questions and speaking in any way to them. That means in your thoughts or speaking outloud. NO RESPONDING, NOTHING. YOU are taking back control. 1) Pray to God and also talk to Jesus Christ asking for help. Pray to God asking for spiritual protection, wisdom, and knowledge. 1 Corinthians 12:8-11 Ephesians 6:10-18 2) Read the Holy Bible and find verses that comfort you when you become stressed. TRUST the Word of God. Hebrews 4:12 3) If you own any possessions that represent evil, witchcraft, or satanic items, you MUST throw them all away. 4) Speak with your Christian friends for support and comfort and talk freely with them because all of you have the same beliefs 5) Go to a Christian Church and talk to the Pastor and tell him what your going through, ask for his advice, and ask him to pray with you. 6) Do not have friends or hang out with people that are non-beleivers. Choose wisely the friends you keep and trust. 7) Make sure your going to Church every Sunday and if you have time, even the Wednesday night Bible Study as well. evil will continue to speak to you non stop. they will give you the impression without saying you should be happy I’m here to talk to you and I’m here so you might as well talk back to me. Make no mistake, this is evil your dealing with. it is not a game or something to be taken lightly. They will also play off any feelings of loneliness and communication needs you have that are not being met. Under no circumstances make jokes or laugh with remeber these people are not human and their predators looking for their next victim to abuse. Matthew 7:15

    • Boface Gividon on May 14, 2019 at 9:33 pm

      Needs a bit more clarity. Can you help by expanding your thoughts on abuse, characters, victims and the 3 T’s please?

  76. zeletra13 on February 6, 2019 at 10:50 am

    I see a problem that has been going on in the comments section. What started out as free opinion has become an attack. Arguments have formed instead of free discussion. We as Christians shouldn’t be arguing among each other and opposing one another. Whether we are evangelists, protestants, non-denomination, etc. we are all supposed to be one church under Christ, there should be no separate churches. What is happening here is one of the reasons why those who don’t believe in God dislike what we are preaching, because they see how we come against each other like this. Yes, while what some people are saying may not be true and may be a false representation of the doctrine, we still shouldn’t argue or fight with each other for it, but correct it with the Word of God. As when Peter said something wrong about how Jesus shouldn’t die, that he wouldn’t allow it, in this he believed he was right. However, he was wrong in his beliefs, but did Jesus attack him with His words and argued with Him? No, he instead rebuked the Devil. Remember, our enemies are not human, but are evil spirits that work against us. We allow demons to come into us and overthrow us when we attack one another, because that is just what Satan wants. This right here is an example of un-christ like behavior. We shouldn’t be showing this behavior when trying to preach the Word of God. Also, there is only one thing that I don’t agree with in this blog, and that is that we shouldn’t be preaching the Word of God all the time. When you look at the Bible, what did Jesus do? Even when He hanged out among sinners He was speaking about the Word. It was not only His mission but His way of life. If we want to be Christ-like we must always preach the Word. However, this is an almost impossible thing to do for someone to always be talking about the Word so I believe that the un-believers exaggerate when they say that Christians always preach the Word. They probably just don’t like that they talk about it a lot. I do agree with the fact that Christians shouldn’t be aggressive when preaching. It didn’t work for Paul and it certainly won’t work for us.

    • Kelle Lane on February 6, 2019 at 2:24 pm

      Thank you for writing what I needed to read…I will say God inspired you. In application, in time, I believe it will help me live truly more Christ like and not more Christian. As a wife, mother and grandmother, this read was like fresh air for my lungs, a new air stream for my wings, another knot to hold on to haha Many blessings for being so brave to write a bit of reality.

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