3 Things Christians Do That Non-Christians Despise

non-christians despise

Spend two minutes talking to almost anyone outside the Christian faith and you’re almost certain to hear a list of complaints they have about Christians.

The problem has been around awhile.  As Mahatma Gandhi famously (and sadly) said: “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

He’s not alone.

The problem with many non-Christians isn’t that they don’t know any Christians. The challenge is they do.

So what gives?

Many Christians would tell you we have an image problem: we’re treated unfairly, we’re being persecuted, or we’re just badly misunderstood.

I’m not so sure.

It’s not so much that Christians have an image problem. It’s far more likely that we have an integrity problem.

Do we get misunderstood on some issues? Of course. But that’s outside our control.

There are more than a few issues entirely within our control that give us a bad name with people outside Christianity.

Here are 3 things Christians do that non-Christians despise.

Maybe Christians don't have an image problem. Maybe we have an integrity problem. Click To Tweet

1. Judge

It doesn’t take long for non-Christians to tell you how much they hate the way Christians judge other people.

Another two minutes on social media will reveal Christians and preachers condemning unchurched people for their sexual habits and preferences, life-style choices and even political views. I doubt this is what Jesus had in mind when he gave his life in love for the world.

Disclosure: without the mercy and intervention of Christ, I’m very judgmental. And years ago, I realized how devastating judgment and criticism can be to others. So I’m waging a life-long battle against it. Confessing it, repenting of it almost daily.

I realized years ago that very few people get judged into life change. Far more get loved into it.

Very few people get judged into life change. Far more get loved into it. Click To Tweet

It also occurred to me that the presence of judgment almost always guarantees an absence of love.

Think about it through the lens of your marriage, a friendship or even someone you work with: it is virtually impossible to love someone and judge someone at the same time.

But wait, you ask: what if they’re making a mistake and I need to correct them?

First of all, look at your mistakes and the depth of your sin, and deal with your issues first. In the process, you’ll encounter a loving God who forgives you despite your rather egregious sin.

And having been loved, you can love others.

I try to remember this rule: If I’m judging someone, I’m not loving them. You can’t judge someone and love them at the same time.

What would happen if Christians stopped judging the world (isn’t that God’s job?) and started loving it instead?

I believe that’s what Jesus did.

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2. Be Hypocritical

There’s a word for Christian who say one thing and do another. The word is hypocrite.

It’s far easier to call someone else a hypocrite than it is to admit you’re one.

It's far easier to call someone else a hypocrite than it is to admit you're one. Click To Tweet

The truth is that as much as I hate it, I’m a hypocrite. My walk doesn’t always match my talk. That’s why I don’t have a fish on my car. When I’m in a hurry and my natural impatience surfaces, the last thing some person God loves needs to see is a Christian cut him off.

Of course, it’s worse than that. I’m not always a loving husband, kind father, steadfast son, patient boss, or even compassionate friend. Like you, I’m a mixture of good and not-really-that good evil.

What did Paul say? Nothing good lives in me. Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord (Romans 7:18). That could be a life-verse for me. Well, actually, it kind of is.

Sanctification is a process that never ends.

I am not who I want to be (yet). I am not who God wants me to be.  But I’m different. I’m changing. And Christ is at work in me.

I believe that’s the reality for every person who calls Jesus Savior.

So what do imperfect Christians do? I mean just deciding you’re not going to make mistakes never keeps you from making mistakes.

I think the answer is simple: you watch what you say.

Don’t pretend to be something or someone you’re not.

I find the more humility I add to my words, the smaller the gap is between who I am and who I say I am.

When you admit your shortcomings, you build a bridge between you and others. Owning your sin is different than living in it; confession is never an excuse for complacency.

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So what do you do if you live in the tension between what you usually say or want to say and what you do?

I think you change both.

You change how you live through the power of Christ day by day (getting better), and at the same time, you change how you talk about your faith, yourself and how you live (adding more honestly and humility to your words). I wrote about things modern Pharisees say today in this post (the Pharisees were an ultra-religious group Jesus strong criticized).

Want a quick fix for hypocrisy?

Accelerate your walk. Humble your talk.

Nothing closes the gap between word and action faster than that.

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3. Stink at Friendship

Friendship is hard.

We all have ideas of finding the perfect friends with whom we’ll never disagree, share 1000 common interests and ride off into the sunset with.

Well, very few human relationships ever work that way. Even in marriage, the best marriages are almost always ones in which people have overcome deep and real obstacles to find a powerful love that’s far deeper than emotion.

Perhaps the first obstacle between non-Christians and Christians is that relatively few Christians actively pursue meaningful friendships with people who don’t share their faith. Between churches that offer programs 5 nights a week (leaving little time for Christians to make friends outside the church) and Christians who are afraid of the world, many Christians don’t pursue authentic relationships with non-Christians.

Which means much of the interaction non-Christians have is situational and observational rather than truly relational. They observe Christians in life and at work, notices traces of judgment and hypocrisy and draw all kinds of conclusions. I get that.

But Jesus went so much deeper than that. Jesus pursued friendships with people who were different than him. Whose lifestyles were far different than anything God had in mind for them (or for people in relationship with him).

Yet Jesus was their friend. He went to their house for dinner. They traveled together. They shared moments and meals and life.

It scandalized the religious leaders of Jesus day, and sadly, when it’s practiced authentically, it still scandalizes most of us today.

Think about it. When was the last time you hung out with a sex-worker?

When was the last time you had someone who’s not your skin color, not your political persuasion and doesn’t share your value system over for dinner, or when was the last time you broke bread with an addict (who’s not in recovery)?

Often when Christians do pursue ‘friendships’ with people far from God, it’s more of a project than it is a friendship.

But people aren’t projects; people are people. People can smell it a mile away if you see them as a project, not a person.

Even as you think about expanding the ministry of your church, if you see people as a means to an end, that’s a problem.

People can smell it a mile away if you see them as a project, not a person. Click To Tweet

Which leads us to another tension in our friendships with those outside the Christian faith.

Some Christians do have a relationship with unchurched people. So: how exactly do you talk about faith?

Great question!

Most of us swing to one extreme or the other: either we always talk about faith, or we never talk about. Both are mistakes.

Always talk about faith, and you’re turning the relationship into a project. Never talk about, and you miss the most important thing in life.

Real friendships always drill down on real issues, and few things are more significant than the meaning of life.

How do you talk about? Naturally, organically, in the context of your story is a great place to start.

Real friendships are like that.

Want a simpler place than that to begin? Try this. Just like the person. As much friend Reggie Joiner says, people will never believe you love them if they feel you don’t like them.

Boom.

People will never believe you love them if they feel you don’t like them. @ReggieJoiner Click To Tweet

What Do You Think?

Anything you see that people who are not Christians despise about Christians?

If you’re a Christian, what helps you overcome these issues, and what other issues do you struggle with?

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3 Things Christians Do That Non-Christians Despise

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  1. kristin on September 15, 2021 at 11:12 am

    First of all, I hate when people say, “Scroll down and leave a comment” – and then never respond to my comments (like you haven’t in ten other of your posts) because you genuinely do not care about what people have to say and just use our attention for your own popularity. It’s very one-sided behavior.

    Secondly, you do all of the above and I’m sick of your posts coming up whenever I google anything. That doesn’t mean success. Popularity isn’t success. There’s a ton of toxic things on the internet and you’re one of them. So is this post. Hateful as always. All you do is write hateful things.

    I’d rather worship God alone than with someone like you. And I don’t always want to be alone but your company contaminates the internet and you’d be doing everyone a good service if you just shut down your website.

    Please cancel this guy. I’m so sick of him.

    • david on September 18, 2021 at 10:13 pm

      Nice comment Kristin,
      Except the Cancel comment we need to have free speech even if we dont agree, thats the problem with the world today blocking free speech anyway the rest is spot on. Yahweh Bless you.
      A good analogy of whats its like to be a Christian is this:
      A Minister had a good flock of parishioners they had one member that always was negative and questioned the word and gossiped and tried to divide the members, the minister new this and prayed for the person, then tried to talk to the person.
      The answer back was “I dont care you have except me no matter what your a Minister” The Minister replied with this:
      “I have to love you, but i dont have to like you”
      To the Author “I have to love you, but i dont have to like you” thats what a true christian is.
      Yeshua came as Lamb but is coming back as Lion take this to heed, look at the world around you wake up or the lion is going to devour this time.
      I mean you no harm but i have a feeling you will have some prophetic dreams very soon.
      I bet you will have a dream about a lion in the next few weeks, if it devours you repent and read the book that will save you.

    • sherry on September 18, 2021 at 11:29 pm

      Yes,i’m tired of reading his posts

    • Bubba on September 25, 2021 at 12:15 pm

      If you were this hostile in the other posts why would he respond? This post was about careful consideration of how we act and behave to make us more effective. It doesn’t makes sense to attack someone, then demand that they respond.

  2. Stanley Hershey on September 9, 2021 at 3:21 pm

    What about 2 Timothy 4:2 ? Jesus very much did judge people but he did not condemn them, just as he told the Samaritan woman that she had 5 husbands, He forgave her but he also told he to get her life right and stop sinning. The modern leaning to always show complete mercy without any reproof or rebuke has created an atmosphere that in many Christian circles the church members feel, think they have an open invitation to sin, that they are covered by grace. Also read John Chapter 8, verses 14 – 18, where Jesus is ambiguous about judgement since He states He does not judge by human standards but if He does judge, it is because He does so with the witness of another, the Father through whom all good things come. For example, too many Christians that I know are on Tinder, Grinder, and other dating apps devoted to sexual immorality, and when I point the passages above out to them, they often say, ” go away old man, give me a break, I’m trying to live my life fully…etc., etc., etc.” Is this not hypocrisy to ignore this sinful behavior? One is not judging, simply reminding. Amen Maranatha!

    • Courtney on September 20, 2021 at 9:54 am

      Amen

      • Stanley Hersahey on September 20, 2021 at 5:50 pm

        Am happy that at least one person understood what I felt had often been neglected in this entire comments thread and had to be mentioned. Also, people who think Jesus is all lovey dovey and a pushover, obviously haven’t read nor studied the books of Daniel and The Revelation of Jesus Christ. His tongue is a doulble edged sword, his eyes a blinding, blazing light so powerful, enemies are decimated with a single glance. Better to be intent on the meek, humble lifestyle of a true servant of God that to risk one’s soul for fleeting and momentary yet often life and spirit depleting pleasures of the flesh and vanity laden daredevil physical feats. True courage in walking the path of the Lord is to be willing to help others even when you are afraid to or unsure how. Keep one’s heart, mind and soul on God and Jesus, and the Great Comforter, the Hoply Spirit will lead youthrough any temptation.

  3. Jebus on September 1, 2021 at 11:06 am

    Here, this should help. Top Ten Signs You’re a Fundamentalist Christian
    10 – You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
    9 – You feel insulted and “dehumanized” when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
    8 – You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
    7 – Your face turns purple when you hear of the “atrocities” attributed to Allah, but you don’t even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in “Exodus” and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in “Joshua” including women, children, and trees!
    6 – You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
    5 – You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
    4 – You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs — though excluding those in all rival sects – will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most “tolerant” and “loving.”
    3 – While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in “tongues” may be all the evidence you need to “prove” Christianity.
    2 – You define 0.01% as a “high success rate” when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
    1 – You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history – but still call yourself a Christian.
    Coming from a former Lutheran, one of my greatest achievements was escaping the sick cult that is Christianity. It causes major mental illness, using fear and guilt to control weak minded people who seek strength in numbers to feel good about themselves. But it IS possible to break these chains and see this, IF, and only if you are truly honest and keep searching. Remember, it’s like a bad relationship; it’s very hard to see when you’re in it but feels so good when your not.

    • Matt Stilwell on September 1, 2021 at 12:16 pm

      “10 – You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.”
      Except that there’s only evidence of ONE god.

      “9 – You feel insulted and “dehumanized” when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.”
      We were CREATED. Big difference from “we just happened” Only worthless cowards believe that.

      “8 – You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.”
      There’s only one god.

      “7 – Your face turns purple when you hear of the “atrocities” attributed to Allah, but you don’t even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in “Exodus” and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in “Joshua” including women, children, and trees!”
      It wasn’t GOD that slaughtered the babies of egypt. It was the pharoah. Because it’s HIS fault that the first born of egypt died.

      “6 – You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.”
      Nothing you just said is correct.

      “5 – You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.”
      And as we all know, science never changes and that the decay rate of carbon has always been the same.

      “4 – You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs — though excluding those in all rival sects – will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most “tolerant” and “loving.””
      no to an eternity of hell…since it’s not a real place. But yes, most tolerant. The only one with free choice, you worthless bigot.

      “3 – While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in “tongues” may be all the evidence you need to “prove” Christianity.”
      Yet again, you’re incorrect. christians don’t believe in that.

      “2 – You define 0.01% as a “high success rate” when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.”
      Nope.

      “1 – You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history – but still call yourself a Christian.”
      prove it, coward.

      • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 3:55 am

        So you dont believe in a father a son and a holy spirit? Triune, not one God

      • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 4:17 am

        Oh I get it you think that only your brand is the correct christianity, par for the course every denomination thinks they’re the only one who got it right. Your religion is based on Judaic traditions yet you speak of triune God, and worship a man. Then have audacity to say Merry Christmas, not happy holidays, because jesus is the reason for the season, Chanukah is older. Jesus may have celebrated Chanuka you appropriate others tradition and assume everyone believes your story the way you do.

      • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 4:20 am

        There is No evidence of any God anywhere.

        • kristin on September 15, 2021 at 11:15 am

          then get off this page – it’s for christians. it’s sad you’re so miserable. go on a page you do like and say positive things there. you have no right to be here. you’re hateful and ignorant and you force people to despise you. try not to shoot someone in a mall this weekend.

          • Lego Bugati on September 23, 2021 at 1:09 am

            Dont misunderstand, the fact that there is no empirical evidence of God is why we call it faith. And when I say I’m sick of Christians its because so many goats are passing themselves off as sheep. How will we evangelize to the world if we are full of so much venom?



      • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 4:28 am

        How very adversarial. Which part of no 6 are saying isn’t true? That Mary had a baby with Holy Spirit, or Jesus wasn’t tried and executed, or the part where he ascends into heaven? Which part is false so we can revise the Bible again.

        • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 6:14 am

          Or is the part where Jesus is equally man and God?

      • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 5:53 am

        You call people coward a lot. You seem very angry condescending, self righteous, adversarial. You are not a very good spokesperson for your faith. You affirm what so many see as the problem with Christians to those outside of your religion. You seem to know so much tell me, is it a sin to turn people away from Christ?

        • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 6:27 am

          Or am I another “worthless bigot” for daring to question your beliefs? Christianity is not the only religion with free choice. Israel is full of non religious people. I am friends with Moslem family who have a young man who decided to follow Buddha. His family is very accepting of his decision and very friendly towards Jew and Christian alike.

          • Matt Stilwell on September 3, 2021 at 9:56 am

            “Christianity is not the only religion with free choice.”
            Yes it is.

            “Israel is full of non religious people.”
            Israel is a country, not a religion.

            “I am friends with Moslem family who have a young man who decided to follow Buddha. His family is very accepting of his decision and very friendly towards Jew and Christian alike.”
            First…MUSLIM. Second, if they’re okay with leaving islam and friendly towards jews and christians…they’re not muslim, since their holy toilet paper commands them to murder christians and jews.



          • Lego Bugati on September 4, 2021 at 1:49 pm

            You are right Muslim is correct. I meant no offense.



          • Lego Bugati on September 4, 2021 at 3:30 pm

            Again free choice



    • vince on September 2, 2021 at 1:17 am

      10..Thousands of Gods??God tells us in the Bible there is only one God several times clearly.
      9…The Bible says each creature was created in it’s own kind.
      8…Yes, the Bible also says God is triune.
      7…God has judged harshly with men when he deemed it necessary.
      6…God came to Earth through divine conception so there would be no doubt it was miraculuos. Yes, Jesus died,and was raised to life, and ascended to heaven says the Bible once again.
      5…Old Earth young Earth theories exist.
      4…God gives us all a choice for or against him and religion has little to do with that. Jesus was not a fan of religion but a big fan of faith and belief in him.
      3…You cannot prove the existence of God scientifically but science, biology, and geology support the existence of God.
      2…God answers all prayers in his time and the answers may not always be what we wanted to hear or see but it will be the best for us.
      1…Most Christians read the Bible…some more than others like anything else studied. God calls no one to create fear and guilt toward other people. God wants the best for us all and we all need him badly as is evidenced in this messed up World we live in. There are no perfect people on this Earth but the God of the Bible is. We need to follow him as he has asked us. Belief can be difficult for many but he calls us all to himself. He is the God of miracles as evidenced in the thousands and thousands of lives changed.

      • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 3:58 am

        The whole point is some dont believe your bible is truth.

        • vince on September 3, 2021 at 11:26 am

          Yes, that is the whole point. Most believe Jesus was here on Earth, even atheists and historians. Jesus claimed to be God and we ALL have that to deal with if we choose to do so. The Bible is either truth or it is not, up to us to decide. The Bible is unique in many ways compared to all other writings of history. It contains many prophecies of which many have been fullfilled in this one man Jesus. That is miraculuos in and of itself. You can choose to deny it or accept it…your choice. Jesus says he is the only way to God. None of the other religious “figures” claim that. Jesus talked much about belief and faith, not so much knowledge. You can never intellectually become a Christian or follower of Jesus/God according to what Jesus has said. It takes some faith and belief in WHO HE IS. We all have the same choice to ignore it, or believe it. It is far far from a blind faith. It is well worth the time to seriously consider these questions. Life is short, then eternity……

      • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 6:18 am

        Correction the CHRISTIAN bible calls God triune, not the Tanach, not the original Jewish scripture which the Christian bible is based on

        • Matt Stilwell on September 3, 2021 at 10:01 am

          Um…it DOES speak of GOD as trune. It’s literally the same book.

          • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 2:46 pm

            Quote to me where the old testament as you call it calls God Triune



          • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 3:26 pm

            How little you know of Holy Scripture. The old testament is pretty close, almost the same, similarities end there



        • Matt Stilwell on September 3, 2021 at 2:50 pm

          Genesis 1:26

          • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 3:28 pm

            You wanna double check that?



          • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 3:32 pm

            I can extrapolate many different explanations simply based on the word us. That proves nothing.



        • Matt Stilwell on September 3, 2021 at 3:30 pm

          Genesis 1:26

          Which part of it are you too stupid to understand ? Who do you think GOD was talking to ?

          • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 3:49 pm

            Do you claim to know God’s innermost thoughts?



          • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 5:55 pm

            Doesn’t say any thing about a trinity



          • Joshua James on September 5, 2021 at 5:35 pm

            I think you should read the article. You’re doing the things…



        • Matt Stilwell on September 3, 2021 at 6:06 pm

          “Doesn’t say any thing about a trinity”
          Except that it does. But I can see how someone as mentally substandard as you might not see it. I don’t know what else “let US make man in OUR image” could mean…

          • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 6:33 pm

            Lots of things nothing is specified



          • Jules on September 16, 2021 at 10:18 am

            Haha. You are funny – in a very sad way- and judgmental and would definitely turn me away from your church. I wouldn’t want anything to do with a congregation that accepts someone like you who is so egotistical and self absorbed. Your words sound like they are coming from a very bitter hearted person.



        • Matt Stilwell on September 3, 2021 at 6:07 pm

          If you want people to take you seriously, you might want to stop the netspeak. It only shows low intellgence.

      • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 2:51 pm

        The way bigoted, hateful insulting christians are not really Christians you’re not bringing anybody to Christ.

        • Matt Stilwell on September 3, 2021 at 3:31 pm

          please learn english, because you’re not making any sense.

          • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 3:40 pm

            But I get the impression you’re not too concerned with bringing people to Christ. Insults and combativeness are not doing the trick. If you are the future of evangelism the church is in trouble.



          • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 5:56 pm

            LoL😄



        • Matt Stilwell on September 3, 2021 at 3:36 pm

          “I can extrapolate many different explanations simply based on the word us. That proves nothing.”
          Only worthless idiots would say something so stupid. This is the problem with the world. People constantly putting their own meaning into things instead of just taking the bible at it’s word.

          YOU haven’t proved anything. You haven’t even tried to prove anything. You just say people are wrong and refuse to back up your claims.

          • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 3:45 pm

            Only worthless idiots. Bringing them to the cross



        • Matt Stilwell on September 3, 2021 at 3:50 pm

          again, not my job.

          • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 6:00 pm

            Ask your youth pastor



        • Matt Stilwell on September 3, 2021 at 3:51 pm

          “Only worthless idiots. Bringing them to the cross”
          Huh ?

          • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 6:16 pm

            The great commission



        • Matt Stilwell on September 3, 2021 at 3:52 pm

          blueletterbible dot org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_330.cfm

        • Matt Stilwell on September 3, 2021 at 3:53 pm

          “Genesis 1:26 Which part of it are you too stupid to understand ? Who do you think GOD was talking to ?

          Do you claim to know God’s innermost thoughts?”
          What do GOD’s thoughts have to do with anything we’re talking about ?

        • Matt Stilwell on September 3, 2021 at 6:07 pm

          “Ask your youth pastor”
          Why would I have a youth pastor ?

        • Matt Stilwell on September 3, 2021 at 6:29 pm

          “The great commission”
          I will sit here and wait for you to both make sense and to make a comment that has to do with what we’re talking about.

          • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 6:36 pm

            Are you not familiar with the great commission?



        • Matt Stilwell on September 3, 2021 at 6:37 pm

          “Lots of things nothing is specified”

          PLEASE don’t bother replying to me any more. You barely speak english. Nothing you say makes sense. And you’re a worthless, uneducated bigot. I REALLY wish there was a block function.

          Please go….and leave the conversation to the adults.

          • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 10:08 pm

            Do you not know what the great commission is?



    • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 3:46 am

      Couldn’t have said it better myself

      • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 3:50 am

        Tha past few years have shown me how full of it christians are. Through with church and chrstians

  4. Bob on August 18, 2021 at 8:16 am

    If you’ve ever looked at websites intended for high ed fundraisers (aka development officers) you’ll see that “cultivating” donor prospects is very like “friendship evangelism”: cynical manipulation with an ulterior motive.

    • Joyce on August 31, 2021 at 4:57 pm

      The most judgmental people are non-Christians who don’t like what the Bible says. Of course we are to walk in the love of God and be sensitive to other people’s needs. That doesn’t mean watering down the Bible so as not to offend. Personally I hate the evil ways of this world. The only hope is the Gospel of the Kingdom of God whether people acknowledge that or not.

      • mark on September 2, 2021 at 8:23 pm

        And this is exactly why I’m an atheist. the Bible has been edited, retranslated and basically nothing like the original Aramaic. there is no god so it’s time to wake up and smell the coffee.

        • Matt Stilwell on September 2, 2021 at 8:30 pm

          the bible wasn’t written in aramaic. It was written in greek and hebrew. And if you think there are translation problems, you should compare the bible as it is now, with the original version which we DO have.

        • vince on September 3, 2021 at 11:32 am

          You need to study the history of the Bible and how each letter was transcribed over time. They tried to destroy it….it survived. The central theme by over 40 different authors over 1000 years is the same. No other book can claim that. Take a close look and you will see. You may not believe, and not all will, but your eyes will be opened to this book of miracles and truth…God is real

      • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 4:01 am

        You are aware the bible was revised, when the catholic church broke from orthodoxy and then when Calvin wrote reformation bible. Books were cut out and deemed unnecessary. What gives anyone the right to do that?

      • Lego Bugati on September 4, 2021 at 1:34 am

        I love what the bible says, I wish more Christians did

  5. Mathia on August 16, 2021 at 11:11 am

    Thank you 😊 I have always been hating myself for being a hypocrite…Yes I found Christ’s grace but was like a new born who doesn’t know how to live.

  6. Hendog on August 14, 2021 at 4:50 pm

    I’m agnostic, however, reading all these comments has convinced me to convert to Pastafarianism. Thank you for showing me the light.

    • Lynda on August 27, 2021 at 3:53 am

      Im afraid to talk to chuch members because they criticise me about doing things i like and they dont I always thought they weren’t supposed to judge( I don’t judge them)

      • vince on August 27, 2021 at 10:06 am

        Sadly there is no perfect church….because there are people in them. I hope you can rise above those who would judge you and realize they are doing what they accuse you of. People can be very complex and miss the true message of what Jesus was saying. We are all works in progress and we can help each other. It is far from a perfect world we live in but we have a perfect God to go to for answers in this life….

        • ryan a simpson on August 30, 2021 at 8:06 pm

          Ive never met a Christian that wasn’t flawless. And I’ve never met an honest christian willing to admit it. I’ve never met a Christian that impressed upon me that they were any better than criminals. Finally, I’ve never met a Christian that represents the teachings of Christ.

          • Matt Stilwell on August 30, 2021 at 8:31 pm

            You haven’t been speaking to christians, then. Just people that CALL themselves christians. Like catholics, for example. In no way are catholics christian…but they sure say they do.

            From MY experience, christians don’t go out of the way to tell people they’re christian. They let their actions in the world say it for them. If you go around shoving your “beliefs” in peoples’ faces, you’re not very likely to get them on your side…..wether that side is religion or not….just in general.



        • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 4:33 am

          Just remember that the next time you want to mix religion and politics.

  7. Ken on August 9, 2021 at 1:00 am

    This “church leader” is also dishonest and insecure. He deletes comments and I look at all the hateful things some people have said on here and my comment had absolutely no hatred in it. It just showed him for what he is. Don’t get your translations and Biblical opinions from this guy. Discernment.

    • Carey Nieuwhof on August 9, 2021 at 1:17 pm

      Hi Ken, I’m Sarah from Carey’s team. You’re right, we do remove some comments from the comment section from time to time. The comments section is a virtual living room of sorts and we want to facilitate a safe space for varying opinions about leadership, ministry, personal growth, the church, and so much more. If someone walks in taking aggressive swings at others, we remove them just as we would in a real living room.

      • Matt Stilwell on August 9, 2021 at 1:20 pm

        “a safe space for varying opinions about leadership, ministry, personal growth, the church, and so much more.”
        You want varying opinions…yet get rid of all the opinions that differ ? What else can I expect from a place that refuses to help me with the fact that I can’t reply to any of the comments that are directed to me ?

        • Carey Nieuwhof on August 9, 2021 at 1:40 pm

          Hi Matt, I’m Sarah 🙂 We don’t remove opinions that differ. Just comments that hurt others, including profanity. What post are you trying to reply to?

          • Matt Stilwell on August 9, 2021 at 2:04 pm

            I’m trying to reply to ALL posts. I’ll get a notice that someone made a comment to me, but when I hit reply and the site opens, there’s no reply button on the post….so I can’t reply.

            Also, why don’t you believe in free speech ?



        • Joyce on September 1, 2021 at 2:12 pm

          If you care to take a look, your post is now attracting a lot of flies.

      • John kui-Min Ak Kulu on August 9, 2021 at 4:46 pm

        Agreed.

    • Renae on August 14, 2021 at 7:26 am

      Wow! Satan’s got us all worked out, hasn’t he, got us all snarling at each other! Shame on him. How sad to see Christians bickering…. looking forward to the day when this is all over… hopefully see you all up there in our perfected state when all unloving will cease. Be kind to each other…. vaguely remember someone saying that sometime..wink wink….

      • Wynjoe on August 14, 2021 at 8:12 pm

        When we meet “up yonder”,our questions will be answered,if not,it doesn’t matter. While here dont worry, God will,and “is” supposed to guide us. It will all work out. Peace to you.

    • Annie on August 31, 2021 at 7:13 pm

      Christian struggle like anyone else does. Because you are a Christian it doesn’t mean that you walk around with your hands folded head bow in a pious manner or think that you are any better than anybody else. Everyone has feet of clay including Christians Jews non-believers whomever. By the way you can’t get through this life without estimating and judging. That includes summing up those people that you work with that you live by who you date etc etc. So stop with the BS judging arguments. This is a BS article And it really shows how the writer knows nothing about Christianity. Is just a divisive opinion by someone who’s probably Anti-christian.

      • Carl Decker on September 1, 2021 at 11:21 pm

        It sounds like you simply asserted that judging is inevitable, and then used it as a basis to judge this whole thing. I love Jesus, but I fear for His church on earth seeing Christian communities full of scorn, mistrust, and judgment of others on the same journey. We don’t know each other’s hearts, and even if we did, it’s not our place to judge them – we’re called to love each other instead. You wouldn’t know that by reading all these comments, which I think prove the point of this whole post.

  8. JR on July 17, 2021 at 4:27 pm

    Hi,

    This author is judging and giving his opinion. Jesus often judged right from wrong. There is nothing wrong with judging others. Imagine your child or anyone else’s child is running across the street will you not judge them and guide the in doing the right thing?

    Hypocrites exist in all religions/races and your comments on this subject is stereotyping Christians …

    Stink at Friendship: again you are stereotyping Christians.. all ethnicities/races/religions fall under this category… Jesus has told us to walk away from family and friends that are unbelievers… as the devils prowls to make Gods children sin through his agents…

    Remember it’s our duty to spread the good news about God… Jesus died for our sins as we are not perfect and only Jesus was perfect and not a sinner… all we can do is do our best and prayer and help others ..

    Jesus and God wants us to search and spread good over evil..

    Proverbs 25:2
    It is the glory of God to conceal a matter;
    to search out a matter is the glory of kings.

    John 17:22: “And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:”

    • PM Haus on July 20, 2021 at 12:40 pm

      I think you may be missing some key points, here. I think the author is suggesting that we look a little harder at ourselves — our words, our thoughts — our actions. I think he is saying that Jesus was more about including others (yes, that means *other people,* not just those who are already in the club) than dismissing and rejecting such folks. They called him “Rabi,” which means *teacher.* And incidentally, you can’t teach anything to someone who already knows everything, right? 🙂 Jesus wanted to save the world, meaning *humans,* by bringing them into the world of God. You can’t do that by shutting out people who don’t think just like you. Might you bring someone into the fold who will slip and make mistakes? Yes. That’s what sin is. It means, “to miss,” or “to be without.” That’s what it is to be a human. We miss. We make mistakes. God loves us anyway.

      • Azazel on July 28, 2021 at 10:21 pm

        Even though you got a point, Jesus is very clear about not aling yourself with sinners. That diminish your holiness, but to teach them the error of their ways.Not by judging but by teach them what is wrong or right.For example you tell a person that same sex relationship is wrong and you re right but you re in a non married relationship, you re wrong too therefore you re a hypocrite.Jesus warned of hypocrisy.To teach someone that something is wrong you have to be an example of righteousness.Thats why being a real Christian is hard. Judgement is legal when you have the moral standing to do so. So no one can judge anyone, but teach them what is wrong from right not by judging but by supporting each other. That’s what congregation is for not to judge but to support each other and learn what is wrong and do what is right. Sin means disobedience, and that’s why God judge us, because we don’t obey His laws.Jesus was clear to his apostles, he said i didn’t come to change the law but to enforce it.So he was an everyday living example of holiness.So he could judge but he didn’t, he teached what was wrong and what was right. Example the law of God say do not desire the woman of your neighbor but Jesus said: but i say anyone who look at a woman with desire is a sinner so Jesus was very precise in his teachings and even more stronger than the law itself. Cause he was living by the law. To answer your saving the world meaning yes you have to accept people as they’re but you have to teach each other what is wrong from right is not judging is teaching . Same sex relationship is wrong but you have to teach them it is wrong but from the point of view of the person you’re judging even though you’re teaching.Jesus say this if you tell someone that is wrong and he\she dont listen bring a witness with you. If he\she still dont listen bring two witness with you. If he\she still don’t listen take him\her as disengaged, clean the dust from your sandals and leave him\her be. So if he\she dont want to change you can’t force it but you don’t have to accept him\her as one of you, and you’re not at fault. So inclusiveness is just an excuse to keep doing wrong things is not what Jesus taught.I apologize in advance my main language is Spanish so i just wrote all this from memory without translation ,so if at any point something dont make sense grammatically you’re free to correct me. By the way i ain’t Christian .

        • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 4:38 am

          But what if I think you’re wrong?

    • JOELJOHN on July 28, 2021 at 9:42 pm

      Im Christian and I completely agree with the article. Also you’re doing exactly what the author mentions that which Christians do to piss off their atheist friends.jesus had the love to hang out with Whore’s taxcollectors junkies etc. He also said it’s not the healthy that needs a doctor … it’s the sick that needs a doctor

      • June on July 29, 2021 at 7:12 am

        I agree with what you’ve said Joel. I know I have been guilty of all these 3 things that we should not do as Christians . Not to be making excuses here but we forget that we are all human, each one learns and grows at their own pace and even when we fail Jesus doesn’t not come down hard on us instead He lovingly helps us get up dust off and start over. I know for myself I am often too hard on myself and in doing so I leave no room for vulnerability. Aside from making it harder for myself I’m really not doing my spiritual walk with Jesus any favours. Believers or not we all fail and fall and we need to look at people as people loving each one no matter what they have done and no matter where they have come from.
        The article we all have read if not just a good read but an eye opener I feel and we can all decide to take this message to heart and work on our own attitudes and character flaws. As Christians do we judge unfairly , yes we do at times , and we do criticise when we know we shouldn’t, the 3 point is debatable because I know I have a whole family of unbelievers and yes I do have friends who don’t have a faith. I just love them with all the love Jesus’s pours into me. I don’t see eye to eye with them in their choices but that’s ok with me . They are still God’s precious creation and God loves them just a shame they’d rep , no matter what. God is love He cannot not love. That’s our cue.
        The 2nd thing Christians should not do is be hypocritical. This is a very important in the life span of a Christian to grow in maturity and as we grown and I can speak about myself in this case I went from being and feeling humiliated to being humble when I fancied and then false humility creeps in before you know it. It took me a few years to wisen up and identify these as God started teaching me humility that please send Him.
        So to sum it all , yes we a small grist Ian Somerhalder need to be aware of these point S brought out in the article and work on it with God’s Grace we can be overcomers . As we do so let’s us be encouragers and as we practice what we learn without preaching our lives can be an example to friends and family. For those who are offended by some of the comments mentioned I would like to apologise on behalf of my Christian brothers and sisters in Christ. And for those of us who want to be nasty , let’s remind ourselves that the world is fullness of hate, hurt, the virus, poverty, joblessness , loss of businesses, sadness facing deaths, difficult jobs situations , murder, family violence, hurtful racist issues , depressions, mental health and suicidal fello mates and a lot Lo this more. … so let us decide to stand united despite our differences and let’s stop pointing fingers. Together we can achieve so much more and help heal our lands. Be kind to those around you and on social media.
        Lots of love to all
        God bless
        J 💕

        • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 4:48 am

          So look you all admit your not perfect, we are all flawed, we are all wrong at times. What makes you think it’s okay to force your views, your way of life on everyone? Because a devout Jew or Moslem has no interest in being “saved” by a man(idol because Jesus’ divinity is NOT a given ) and no atheist or anybody for that matter is interested in what you think is a proper sexual relation. This is no land of the free if we all have to succumb to your will, that is subservience.

    • Karen Talken on July 29, 2021 at 10:09 am

      I get what he is saying. I work with under 30 people. Im 62. I often keep quiet and observe their judging comments against anyone who looks like a Strong big white man with crosses around his neck as being a christion white supremist, or old people made fun of after church and being full of Jesus by mistaking their kindness as judging them. Its crazy. I try to live by the fruit of the spirit. Patience and love being key. It shuts the door to trust all the fruits of the spirit by shaming, correcting or treating them like germs. My name is Karen and often I get told I’m so not a Karen. I believe Im so not an unloving Christian too. So much more to be said.

    • Taylor on August 3, 2021 at 12:06 am

      So glad I don’t know you!

    • Bill J on August 5, 2021 at 8:09 am

      He has a point though.

      DOING SOMETHING ON EARTH CURRENTLY.

      like, going for a walk, bike riding, eating, brushing your teeth, showering, sitting in a chair to watch some TV.

      VS

      saying a lot of sweet nothings like you and,

      DOING NOTHING.

      He isn’t stereotyping. he is giving an earth experience of facts that actually happen and stay. every day. vs fake cgi drawings of scribbled images from a changing imagination that can make dreams.

      what if ‘God’ really is nothing more than that?

      And most importantly,

      WORDS OF NOTHING

      Until your God shows up in his ‘perfect timing’ (what a big famous excuse that is) under the people of earths conditions with no excuses. And does what the jungle of words and no action (AKA: the Bible) says and does it when you read the word Now! he isn’t real. Nore is he coming. If he’s coming, he better come, NOW!

      he still didn’t come btw.

      Don’t tell me he doesn’t work that way (that’s another excuse btw) Or I am being unfair. this is perfectly fair and requires something done as of Thu Aug 5th 2021. 7:55 AM

      I hope you consider the possibility that words are nothing compared to action.

      I have 0 respect for bullcrap. but I have 100% respect for action.

      A Living human being typed this. Not a suicidal dead (Jesus) sweet talking non threatening fake do nothing er. (God)

      • vince on August 5, 2021 at 11:38 pm

        We are all faced with the same decision in life. Is God real, or not…or do we even care. If what the Bible says is true those who believe in Jesus and accept him as savior of the World will live forever in heaven. That is what it says in a way that can easily be understood for those who actually seek the truth. People tried to destroy the Bible but yet it survives. There are impossible prophecies fulfilled, miracles that were witnessed, lives that were and are today completely changed. Yes, the Bible demands action…..demands a response. You can do nothing, or do something….your choice…

      • Eggmann on August 6, 2021 at 12:19 pm

        Yawn

        • vince on August 14, 2021 at 5:27 pm

          As I said….your choice

          • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 5:05 am

            Yes and if there is Heaven I hope you all go there. But respect my right to not want to go there because I dont think it’s real. And the actions I have personally witnessed lately show me a kind of people I am not interested in spending an eternity with.



    • Ken on August 7, 2021 at 11:43 am

      Well said, JR. The author must not understand that we’re all sinners and Christians work to try to become better people. I search the Internet to find different translations of Biblical things and this is always the kind of condemnation I find. I’m so tired of all the deception by those who claim to be Christian, but He told us this would happen.

    • Elisabeth A Tiberio on August 11, 2021 at 8:57 am

      Christ’s actual words are the red letter words in some Bibles. If I’m using those words as a foundation, I believe that Christ did not choose to use his words to judge. I believe that Christ, instead, used His actions to judge. And in so doing, He set himself apart from the hypocracy that has settled into so many of us Christian’s. (myself included)

  9. Diane on June 26, 2021 at 5:04 pm

    I’m found this website because I’m trying to understand my sister. I’m the oldest of three. The youngest sister, who claims to love Jesus and talks about him far too much (ad nauseum), hates our middle sister. The youngest is a real charmer, super sweet like a little girl (at 64 yrs old) — yet, she defames the middle sister to her coworkers, shames her in front of people, lies about her, tries to make her appear small, and much more. I remind her that Jesus was all about LOVE and that he loves Val (middle sister), so how can she hate Val? I said that a real Christian loves — and that people who demonize person are projecting their own darkness onto that person because they fear and can’t accept those dark parts of themselves. It’s basic psychology. You can’t change what you don’t own about yourself. So, you blame others instead. Loving people love — period. Do to others as you would have them do to you. I quit Christianity because of the hypocrisy and the hive-mind mentality, yet I believe I am MORE Christ-like that most Christians are. I believe in, and accept as true, the fundamental teachings of Christ. My youngest sister seemingly wants something more akin to an “imaginary” friend who will love her no matter what she does to others. It’s frustrating. Pray for my deluded sister. For her and the one she harms. Many blessings.

    • ELENA LOPEZ on July 9, 2021 at 7:17 pm

      Yes! God Is Love! As a matter of fact, a lot of Christians of today are hypocrite! Because, they are trying to do God’s Job, which is Judging others. When all the while, we should be doing God’s work and will. For example, bringing him lots and lots of souls. ((Matthew 13:23)) says…But the seed falling on good soil refers to someone who hears the word and understands it. This is the one who produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”

      ((Luke 6:37)) says…
      “Do not judge [others self-righteously], and you will not be judged; do not condemn [others when you are guilty and unrepentant], and you will not be condemned
      Your sister is doing thing her own way and not God way. In Fact, In Proverbs it says…
      “Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths”. It does say trust in yourself and lean on your own understanding. With that being said,
      ((Matthew 7:5))…says…Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye. The God of Peace & Grace be with you all. Yes! I will “PRAY” for your sister!!!

    • David Mathews III on July 12, 2021 at 7:38 am

      The most hilarious notion that people feel and do pray with acute intention is weakened when they are sucrose dripping from the end of a flower bloom sounding and out in the parking lot more like the super of a parking garage construction job. Listen, no matter what or who you are it cannot be disputed that your true heart is not put into your prayers or otherwise. The thing is if you shout and cuss and use foul language people will steer clear of your prayers, but on a hunch I would strongly suggests the Lord “not Lard hahahaha accents” does not give a rats ass what you scream and if you want to dance the “not Crisco” wont let you burn your collard greens or take your first born. Reality, sound as we hear it, um well, I do not prefer to stiffle or decieve probably isnt heard but…….felt, yes the message we recieve is felt or ingested if you will , not heard with the ear. Jesus if I had to guess would look at you and mouth words unreadable to the lip reader, yet fully understood in the heart.
      Science, Occams Razor, due process ect, has much influence on the belief being proven invalid, however, science measures from a narrow rule as our mere benchmarks are earthbound, as are our concepts of understanding vast infinity.
      Look beyond, look opposite, think above what you hold as standard or stagnate.

    • June D'Silva on July 16, 2021 at 6:58 pm

      Praying for you and your lovely sisters.

      But for everyone commenting or responding …
      I’ve been reading some of the thousand comments and it’s heart wrenching to see some of our reactions.
      I think that most of us are on our own faith journey and I feel really only God knows where we are at.
      None of us are in a position to judge another person – because we don’t really know much apart from what we hear or see. Also I believe that only God has that authority – to judge because He can see every aspect and minute detail of our lives. I feel if we are followers of Christ then we know that God has a plan to prosper us. We would also know that we are made in “His Image.” Every single person created by God is made in His Image – Therefore we should be loving every single person unconditionally – no matter what.
      I’d like to say a lot to so many of the hurtful comments … I do feel it’s not our role to correct people ( I feel God who has a good plan for each one of us is more than capable of imparting what He wants a person to know – I guess He’s looking for that seeking heart – I imagine the picture of Jesus knocking at the door of our hearts)
      The article by Carey rings so true for us and I for one have taken a few pointers from it for myself. The one command Jesus left us with was “love” … And I believe that whatever we do or say we need to be motivated by love.
      My response is not directed to any particular person.
      I’d say let’s learn to love people as people irrespective of their faith, belief system or lack of faith, skin colour, ethnicity, race, looks, intelligence … … …
      Despite our differences – let’s attempt to genuinely love people just the way they are. I think everyone of us longs to be loved and accepted.
      Let’s us decide to:
      * Not judge (discernment is different from passing judgement) – But love more instead
      * Not be hypocritical ( let’s not say one thing and do another – my kids have called me out on this one when they were little)
      * Let’s build strong solid relationships ( this one was hard since I come from a family of 6 – I learnt over time how to use God’s GRACE = a resource that was freely available)

      If you seek God with all your ♥ He will reveal Himself to you.

      I pray my comments have not offended anyone.
      God bless you all
      J 💕
      God bless

    • Rider on the storm on July 23, 2021 at 11:07 pm

      Wow, Diane. Your family situation is very similar to mine. I’m from a mixed marriage multi-divorce train wreck of a sort of middle class family, who, funnily enough are mostly Pentecostal type Christians. One of my siblings has very been much hating on others in the family (with gas lighting, lies, gossip and slander, without ANY attempt at reconciliation). The hurt and isolation this causes to the targets of this long term hatred is immense!

      If the only god of these haters would somehow give them a tap on the shoulder and give them an insight (or better still, some personality repairs) on how horrible and damaging (not to mention profoundly disobedient???) this behavior is.

      I mean, these haters front up to church (and therefore god, it would seem) to get straightened out from the default human condition right? Yet it seems they are just left to be haters and wreckers. They are left to profoundly put others off from opening up to this particular world religious cult.

      Go figure!

      • vince on August 14, 2021 at 5:34 pm

        All believers in Jesus are called to love all people and it can be difficult as most realize. We may not like everyone, but we are to love everyone. There is a difference. The Bible clearly describes love, and it we would all follow this, there would be no conflict as we have today, but not all will follow, so here we are. ALL people are flawed and that is why we need a perfect God to help lead us down the path of life. No person is perfect so it takes work for unity….work. The Bible is the guide book for life….a good life….not perfect, but good…..we are all a work in progress

  10. Deliberatus on June 19, 2021 at 10:38 am

    Actually, the complete quote is:
    “Do as thoushalt be the whole of the law;
    Law under love,
    love under will.”

    • Azazel on August 6, 2021 at 1:15 pm

      😂 that’s Aleister Crowley, not God. Aleister was a Known satanist and cultist of Thelema. In which mentioned cult Aleister practiced sex magic. So that expression is not from the Bible but from Alister Crowley beliefs. I ain’t no Christian but I don’t allow people to get cheated and lied upon. Truth is truth, lies are lies Black and white there are no gray in the law of God.

  11. Victor on June 12, 2021 at 10:36 am

    Meh. I’m kinda impressed you guys are STILL trying to have this conversation about how to salvage your failing, hateful bigot club. As a gay man and someone NOT welcome in your idiot’s game, what I hate is how you try to insist everyone has to play your idiot’s game. Here’s a news flash: You may sin, but I don’t and you don’t get to tell me I do or call me a “sinner.” You can save that shit for yourselves and the people who want to buy into the immoral shit show of the slave god.

    As a gay man, I rejected your god long ago and accepted the one law: DO WHAT THOU WILT

    • Steve on June 13, 2021 at 6:27 pm

      Not sure how this response is going to “win” Victor to Christ. I would disagree that he is a coward – he spoke his belief and did so unconcerned with any backlash he received. Sounds like the opposite of a coward. Much more important than that is the adjective used: “worthless”. Anyone who knows, believes and follows Jesus understands no aspect of Creation is ‘worthless’. All of mankind is made in the image of God and therefore valued above all other parts of Creation. Victor was beautifully made…and God allows hi, to choose his path.

      • Matt Stilwell on June 13, 2021 at 6:46 pm

        “Not sure how this response is going to “win” Victor to Christ.”
        Not my job.

        Attacking people you don’t know makes you a coward. Attacking people you DO know makes you a coward. And now, I add YOU to the list.

        • Terry on June 13, 2021 at 7:43 pm

          If winning people to Christ isn’t your job…what is?

          And if “attacking people you don’t know makes you a coward”, should we assume that you know all these people whom you are attacking?

        • Steve on June 13, 2021 at 9:17 pm

          Matt, my intent wasn’t to “attack” you. It is obvious you are not a follower of Christ as anyone who knows the commandment to make disciples of all nations is what I meant by “winning” someone to Christ.
          I am sorry there is so much hatred and anger in your life…it is very apparent.

        • Fred on June 23, 2021 at 9:49 pm

          Matt are you a follower of Christ? If so that is what Jesus calls us to do is share the gospel.

        • William on July 14, 2021 at 10:15 pm

          Mock no church but the church of the devil! I’m a Christian and I have witnessed miracles. Because people aren’t experiencing the same life it’s hard but I swear I’m a believer in faith. You have to trust in god and know . And when the richious dont speak out against evil doers their just as guilty. Idcare how many thugs players ballers in it i could take them all to guiness ( book of world records) one day all this I’m going threw will be over I’ll be trained up and disciplined. I have a tape recorder, my physical body pain, and a confession from the shooter. If I’m right that could be why god saved my life when i was hurt confused stressed 23, I’m still believing in our love we shared, there’s life after death it’s not the end. I’m fighting an ex who’s doing black magic on me,,, seriously…will all you Christian’s pray that i get back and I’m save from the wrong people. Prairies come true in the name of Jesus christ amen. I love you all and I’m going to be so happy and changed!!

        • Cy Finch on July 28, 2021 at 3:24 am

          What astounds me is that such a mean-spirited, passionately judgmental believer in the scientifically illiterate ramblings of Middle Eastern tribal desert dwellers of the Iron Age appears to also be a Doctor Who fan. That is a Dalek in your screen name pic, right?

          If you actually listened to the Doctor over their thirteen plus one lifetimes, Christianity is simply another myth on yet another planet. Furthermore, the Twelfth and, in my opinion, best Doctor approached his regeneration with one simple imperative to take into his next incarnation: “BE KIND”. But I guess you missed “Twice Upon A Time”.

          So-called fans like that blow my mind, just like racist militaristic Star Trek fans who seem to have missed the classic Trek episode “Let That Be Your Last Battlefield”.

      • Matt Stilwell on June 13, 2021 at 11:07 pm

        Where do you get hatred from, asshole ? YOU attacked ME. I’m just defending myself, coward. I can call you anything I want and do anything I want and there’s nothing you can do about it. If you hadn’t acted liked a child, and treated me like garbage, I wouldn’t have done the same to you like you deserved.

        Please tell me you’re not catholic. You sound pretty worthless like one. Go whine to your mother and don’t even bother trying to reply, asshat.

        • Noah Edelson on July 3, 2021 at 3:27 am

          Just .. chill, dude. Smoke a bowl or something, I don’t know. When you are a little less upset, please give the Sermon on the Mount another read. I myself have similar anger issues, and have no kind of moral authority over any person. I will say though that the advice that Jesus gave us regarding “judge not”, and also “he who is without sin” is invaluable to us of faith. As is “love your enemy” and “turn the other cheek.” The OP seems to have that figured out pretty well- so does Pope Francis. I’m not a Catholic- but I have to say Pope Francis is among the most virtuous humans alive now, by my estimation.

          Most of you wouldn’t even consider me a Christian, so I guess take what I say with a grain of salt. I have a similar understanding of Christianity as Thomas Jefferson did; and use his “Bible” exclusively. It is similar to your Bibles, except it has most of the “superstitious mumbo jumbo” (his words) removed.

          This was Thomas Jefferson’s perspective on Christianity:

          “And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away all this artificial scaffolding…

          {Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823}”

    • Steve on June 13, 2021 at 6:37 pm

      Sadly Victor, you are incorrect to state so boldly that you are “NOT welcome in y(our) idiot’s game”. There is a distinction between the foolish judgment of Men and the righteous judgment of God. There is, indeed, a ‘game’ that Man plays and your are correct to believe there is judgment against homosexuals suggesting they are unfit to be included in Gods Kingdom. But that is Man’s game. God’s ‘game’ is infinitely more spectacular, magical, redemptive, unpredictable and glorious. A perfect plan, perfectively revealed to an imperfect world.

      Your journey is yours. We are all sinners, Believers and those like yourself who openly reject God. All the same. The “christians” on the street corner who hold up signs condemning homosexuals to Hell are not true Christians…they are misguided. Find yourself a true Believer who understands the Gospel of Grace…you might be surprised.

      • Darlene Hartsfield on June 15, 2021 at 2:09 pm

        My brother, that’s why I Luvvvvvvv John 3:16. It needs no defense. Whosoever, yall!!! PEACE!!! And let’s not forget to show love for one another, for by this all men may know that you are his disciples…john 13:34-35.

        • Lynda Cosette on June 16, 2021 at 1:22 pm

          John 16:4 is one of my favorites.
          “I AM The Way The Truth and The Life No one is accepted by my Father unless they accept Me”, Jesus said.

          I do NOT understand why we are arguing moral issues with people who are not Born-Again. Will their works save them or attempting to follow the law? NO

          Why are we so hard on people who are just doing what comes natural to them, and that is SIN. Apart from Jesus The Christ NO human will ever gain peace with God and inherit eternity in Heaven.

          I sin, but I HATE my sin more than I hate anything in existence even the devil. I have enough sin in me without any help from satan to sink a ship.

          That’s the difference, I HATE my SIN and pray on and off all the day long for mercy and forgiveness, to become more like Jesus. I Daily PRAY AGAINST my own desires and will if they are NOT The Lord’s will. I’m filled with The HOLY SPIRIT who convicts me of every wrong thought and motive.

          Only through my relationship with Yeshua can I know I’m sinning. Let US preach SALVATION and STOP focusing on peoples’s SINFUL BEHAVIOURS, when the fact is that no matter how good they behave without JESUS they are Hell Bound. WE MUST WITNESS TO SINNERS with NO FOCUS ON THEIR BEHAVIOR.

          Because when JESUS gets ahold of THEIR HEARTS, HE WILL CHANGE THEIR MINDS and they WILL know a better way.

          Jesus bless all on this blog in The Love of Christ Jesus I leave you to pray.

      • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 5:15 am

        Tell that to your religious cohorts far more Christian’s are bigoted than not

    • Ed on June 22, 2021 at 1:43 pm

      Typical born again Christian response. Every day I become more convinced that Jesus wants his followers (by design, not by accident) to be nothing more than bigoted, sexist, racist, mean spirited, non-thinking cult members while all the churches rake in the dough tax free.

      Your religion isn’t failing fast enough.

      • Matt Stilwell on June 23, 2021 at 9:21 am

        One, I’m not born again. Two, I don’t have a religion. Religion is what man says is the right way to do things. I don’t listen to man. Jesus never said anything bigoted, sexist, racist or mean spirited. But I would love to hear any proof that you have to the contrary, bigot.

    • Ed on June 22, 2021 at 2:20 pm

      Victor for the WIN! Thanks for keeping it real. Maybe one day humanity will evolve past these outdated religions.

      • vince on August 14, 2021 at 5:47 pm

        Jesus talked down religion. There are many religions, but only one God Jesus said. We all have the same choice to believe or not to believe in him and what he has said and left us in his words. Jesus made it clear when he said”I am the way, the truth, and the life…no one comes to the Father (God) but through me” He is clearly saying there is but one God and one path to him. People may not like his statements and many did not because they did not want to change. It is the same today. All people should look to Jesus to see what he said and if you believe it. Jesus was here and most prominent thinkers in history agree. What he said, what he did, and what he wants us to do is make an informed decision, not blind decision. He loves all people….all

    • Diane on June 26, 2021 at 4:59 pm

      My deceased brother was gay. So much pain. So much judgment. Needless shame. Christians must not condemn gays. They crap on themselves when they do, and cut themselves off from God. DUH! I hear how angry you are. It is justified.

      • Matt Stilwell on June 26, 2021 at 5:50 pm

        Christians don’t condemn gays. It’s GOD that condemns gays because of their sin. Jesus said TO judge…

        • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 5:24 am

          Then quit trying to pass laws against gay people’s basic civil rights. Let God do the judging in heaven.

      • June on July 20, 2021 at 5:25 pm

        Hi Diane,
        Sorry to hear about your loss.
        You remember the story in the Bible where the prostitute is sitting at Jesus’ feet and they are surrounded by a crowd from the village all awaiting to see how Jesus would deal with this lady. As you know he asked the crowd to hurl the first stone I felt they had never sinned and how they gradually all dispersed. Jesus gently lifted this young girl and gave her heavenly honour sending her on her way with loving words of encouragement and wisdom – go and sin no more …
        Yes the bible does talk about homosexuality, divorce , and all kinds of everyday lives situations of today but Jesus never condemn us. He is inclusive, no matter what we are going through, there’s is nothing Jesus Christ cant help us get through if we call out to Him and ask Him for help.
        We are all made in God’s image and no matter what, we are called to love people just the way Jesus did.
        God bless you
        J💕

        • June on July 20, 2021 at 5:28 pm

          * if they had never sinned
          (Correction)

    • Diane on June 26, 2021 at 5:12 pm

      Stop the judgment, Matt. You miss the point of Christianity. Gays are angry and hurt because they have been persecuted by hateful, self-righteous Christians. Look at the facts of history.

      • Matt Stilwell on June 26, 2021 at 5:49 pm

        I can’t stop the judgement. Jesus told me to do it. Miss that part of the bible ? I couldn’t care less about gay people…or anyone else for that matter. I treat everyone equally. Christians have persecuted no one. You’re thinking of catholics and other non christians. YOU look at the facts of history. Christians took in gay people to protect them.

        • Zach Warsek on June 28, 2021 at 12:39 pm

          Do you read what you type over again before you send it? You literally sound completely unhinged. Christians like you are the reason I left the church and will never come back because your hate only seems to multiply. This was one of the best articles I have ever read on the matter, finally someone who actually preaches to love everyone above all else. Going up to homosexual couples in public and informing them that they are living in sin is NOT love, it is judgement. I deal with my entire family hating on homosexuality constantly as if they are perfect people. The world would be better off without religion, more people have been killed and raped in the name of God than for any other reason in all of history.

        • Saintco on June 30, 2021 at 10:22 am

          Jesus told you judge, Matt? So were you just leaving out parts of the bible such as; “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”
          You appear to be a very hateful man, one that the article was writing about perhaps.

    • Antonio Gonzalez Jr. on June 28, 2021 at 3:42 am

      Agreed as a guy man it’s obvious you have rejected facts over personal emotional needs, your gayness. Yet, you do believe in God.. it’s just that your God.. is the God if Dirt. You believe the matter self created, self existed, that it protects you and will ultimately save you. I believe My God transformed himself into a man, Jesus The Messiah (Christ) to save those who live in their emotions and hate righteousness. Victor, just because as a Christian I expose your sin, does mean I hate you. That’s the corner you go to in order to justify your behavior. I absolutely don’t believe that you accept your behavior as “The right thing to do for me” it is a sin nature people are turned over to when rejecting God… When you are close to the end of your life… Who will you trust in. Your God of Dirt… or the God of Abraham, Jacob and Isaac. I pray you choose the latter. Being a janitor in Heaven (Euphemism, no janitors in heaven). One day whether you like it or not your knee will bow to the lord Jesus Christ…

      Romans 14:11 NKJV
      [11] For it is written: “As I live, says the LORD, Every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall confess to God.”

      Victor you can comfort yourself by believing that when I disagree with your lifestyle choice that I am a bigot, yet you disagree with my lifestyle choice, don’t you? This would mean you are a bigot if I follow your definition. Buddy.. live as you will Christianity does hate you…. It hates the sin that besets you….

    • Amanda Lovell on July 4, 2021 at 4:53 pm

      I’m sorry.

    • Bill on July 11, 2021 at 9:06 pm

      Thanks for exactly the response I expect from “Christians” Matt. What would Jesus do? Threaten to kill someone if they don’t agree with him I guess eh Matt? People like you are why I have put the Christianity I was raised with behind me….An evil bunch of people spreading hate and evil in the world. Love thy neighbor?….unless he/she’s gay? Black? Muslim? Atheist? Democrat? Pro-choice? An evil pro-human “libtard” who doesn’t worship corporations?

      Do you torture your children if they disappoint you? If your children are disobedient would you douse them in lighter fluid and set them on fire? Probably not, because most people would consider that to be an act of evil….Yet, you want to worship a “perfect” God that will torture you with fire for all of eternity if you don’t dance to his tune?…..If this was science fiction your God would be the evil God that the protagonists need to save the world from.

      However, I choose to believe that there is some kinder, more loving God that created the universe and that *Christians* are the disturbed ones. That God has nothing to do with “Christians” though. When I refer to “God” below, do not assume I’m referring to the hateful, judgemental dark god you worship.

      Here are what I think the bible got right:. God created us in his image. Do unto others as you’d have done to you. God is all knowing and all powerful. However, God doesn’t watch over us. He’s not monitoring the system. He’s not the judge. He is every everything and everyone down to the smallest particle. We exist because God is at play. He is pretending to be Bill, and Matt Stillwell, and Victor above….He is also my parents, my siblings, the people I love and the people I hate. He is the air that I breathe, the water I drink, the food I eat, and the earth that modern society is destroying. Do unto others as you’d have done to you…*because* others are you. When you die, I don’t believe in hell… however I do think you’ll see all the pain and joy you’ve caused to others. A mass shooter who kills a bunch of people will feel the heartbreak of the people who’s loved one’s he killed….the fear and pain of those he killed. Then that consciousness will merge back into God….If on the whole, you spread love and happiness, maybe there is still a heaven if the real God says….”I like this one, he/she lead a good life”…not sure it really matters, but there’s no point to punish the murderer with “hell” (beyond seeing what pain they caused)….. because being violent and destructive is also an aspect of God.

      I still believe in an almighty God… However, my God and my beliefs connects me to everyone and everything around me instead of encouraging me to judge everyone. I have no, or at least very little FOMO (fear of missing out) because if I’m curious about what something is like, some greater part of me has already experienced an uncountable number of times in a uncountable number of lives and universes.

      If I’m wrong when I die I’ll either cease to exist (no conscious loss to me) or maybe the universe is run by an evil God who will torture me for all eternity for trying to be kind to others, but not falling all the rules of Christians.

      • Bill on July 11, 2021 at 9:22 pm

        Err, “but not *following* all the rules of Christians.

        Also, Victor is right and you are wrong… there is no more evidence of your Christian God than the Zeus of the Greeks, the Great Raven of native Americans, etc….If you think those people were foolish savages….well look in the mirror…..So if he doesn’t believe in your God, he is not sinning….Also, if he is not violating the golden rule too much, he is not sinning against other people either.

        Denying gay marriage is dishonoring the concept of marriage in the first place….two people committing to love each other for the rest of their lives. Also…. if you want YOUR religious beliefs to be respected by the law, then you have to respect other people’s beliefs….This is another reason I lost respect for Christians…… trying to force your beliefs down the throats of everyone else and trying to bend the law to match your beliefs. I don’t believe Jesus deputized any of you into forcing others to follow Him….mind your own damning business.

        • Matt Stilwell on July 12, 2021 at 2:16 pm

          There IS more evidence for the real GOD…you just don’t want to accept it. And I don’t appreciate you calling my people savages, you worthless racist.

          “So if he doesn’t believe in your God, he is not sinning”
          Sin is sin. it doesn’t matter if you believe in GOD or not.

          “Denying gay marriage is dishonoring the concept of marriage in the first place….two people committing to love each other for the rest of their lives.”
          GOD and Jesus deny it. Since they’re in charge, I kind of have to go along with what they say on the subject.

          ” Also…. if you want YOUR religious beliefs to be respected by the law”
          I don’t. GOD’s view is the only one that matters.

          “trying to force your beliefs down the throats of everyone else and trying to bend the law to match your beliefs.”
          That’s not what christians do. It sounds like the activities of the devil worshipping catholics.

          “I don’t believe Jesus deputized any of you into forcing others to follow Him”
          Nor do I. Nor does any christian. Deputize us to spread his message ? Absolutely. Forcing people to follow him ? Incorrect. Again, that’s something the catholics do and have done.

      • Matt Stilwell on July 12, 2021 at 2:12 pm

        “Thanks for exactly the response I expect from “Christians” Matt. What would Jesus do? Threaten to kill someone if they don’t agree with him I guess eh Matt?”

        Where do you get that from ?

        “People like you are why I have put the Christianity I was raised with behind me”

        If you lose your faith because of people, your faith was in people…not GOD.

        “Love thy neighbor?….unless he/she’s gay? Black? Muslim? Atheist? Democrat? Pro-choice? An evil pro-human “libtard” who doesn’t worship corporations?”
        Thank you for the wonderful lies. Have any more ?

        “Yet, you want to worship a “perfect” God that will torture you with fire for all of eternity if you don’t dance to his tune?”
        GOD doesn’t torture people with fire for all eternity. PEOPLE torture themselves with fire for all eternity. Getting mad at god because you’re in hell, or going to hell, makes about as much sense as getting mad at your mother after burning your hand….even though your mom said not to touch the hot stove.

        “Here are what I think the bible got right”
        ALL of the bible is right. It’s either all right, or all wrong.

        “However, God doesn’t watch over us. He’s not monitoring the system. He’s not the judge.”
        You are severely retarded if you think this. GOD IS the great judge….unless you’re calling GOD a liar.

        “He is pretending to be Bill, and Matt Stillwell, and Victor above….He is also my parents, my siblings, the people I love and the people I hate. He is the air that I breathe, the water I drink, the food I eat, and the earth that modern society is destroying. Do unto others as you’d have done to you…*because* others are you.”
        Did you wake up this morning WANTING to follow the devil ? You’re certainly talking like the devil does.

        “When you die, I don’t believe in hell…”
        Except that GOD and Jesus said it IS real…

        “Then that consciousness will merge back into God”
        Not how it works, you anti GOD loon…

        “some greater part of me has already experienced an uncountable number of times in a uncountable number of lives and universes.”
        Except that there’s only one life and one universe….which is what GOD said. Why are you lying and doing something that GOD said not to do ? You’re trying to change his word. You can’t do that.

      • Neisha on July 29, 2021 at 1:55 am

        Bill, I do not KNOW anything. But what you just said is what I feel, too. I was raised SDA and I have never met a bunch of people looking over their glasses at who is wearing earrings, make up, has a skirt too short, a top too low, or made a purchase on a Saturday. My oldest brother is still that way. He pities me, but I pity him just as much.

        Thanks for sharing. 😊

    • Linda on July 14, 2021 at 7:49 pm

      Victor I’m so sorry you feel this way. We all sin but God loves us anyway. That’s why He sent Jesus to take on all our sins. No one has the right to judge you. It makes me very sad when a gay person assumes God will reject them. Not true. Accept Jesus into your heart and he will never let you go. I know it must feel like you are rejected by all Christians but that isn’t so. Praying for you.

    • Nick on July 16, 2021 at 12:24 pm

      Victor,
      What an epic response! As a Christian myself, I apologize for the way that people who call themselves Christians act. You’re absolutely right…it’s pretty pathetic tbh. They act like they’re gods and shove their religion down other people’s throats; they’re hateful, exclusive, and above all, hypocritical. You have the freedom to reject god and live however you’d like, but as a fellow human, I’d like to just tell you that there’s a different way that, from my experience, leads to more peace and power in this life. The God who created the universe is not only real, but he is in complete control of everything that happens, and nothing happens apart from him. Yes, that means that he allows murders, rapes, genocides, and the like. You might be thinking: “how stupid could these people be, calling this God good and loving while he lets this happen!” But, if God is who he says he is, then that means that he is the center of the universe, and we are not. Whether we like it or not, we simply don’t understand everything. We think that we could do it better, but because we don’t see the purpose of humanity, we don’t see the purpose of suffering and pain in this supposedly good God’s world. If he is who we says he is, then we exist to worship him through relationship with him (not possibly selfish, because he is entirely self and has no room for being more of himself, while selfishness is acting in such a way that makes you seem like you are more self than you are. In other words, you can’t be selfish by seeming more important than you are if you are, by definition, entirely important). And if our only purpose of existing is centered around him, then we can say whatever we want (even literally spend your entire life saying things), but that may not really do anything or mean anything. For this reason, “do what thou wilt” is definitely a way to live, but not the best way, because
      1. We see in nature and science a way that is ordered, when “do what thou wilt” has no order. All you have to do to see God is look. The things that He created speak, in a way, about him.
      2. “Do what thou wilt” says nothing about what we SHOULD do. I have a feeling from your response that you do believe that people should or should not do certain things.
      3. We know from experience that doing “what thou wilt” generally leads to a place that we do not wilt. If I did what I viewed as “my true path,” I’d sleep in until noon and wear my sweats everyday. But, because I’ve learned from people wiser than myself, and my own experience, and I can see a better goal even if the way to the goal is hard, I set my alarm and trudge to work in my button-down.

      Rather, if God is who he says he is, then to live by what he says and by that reality will produce some great things. We would not have to wonder about our purpose and meaning, because we have the source. We would not have to be controlled by hatred, because we have the God who claims to be love. We would do hard things, because we could see the end. We would not fear death, because we would live forever and never really die. And most of all, we would know the God from whom we define “good.” This is not in line with how many “Christians” act, as you brought up, but that just either means 1. That God is not who he says he is, or that 2. They aren’t. Idk about you, but I’m leaning towards 2 considering the obvious contradictions

      In the end, everything I’ve said hinges on God being who he says he is…maybe he is, maybe not, but perhaps you’ve already tried living with a view of God as said by other people or yourself or a particular church, and you now know the fruit of that belief…why not try living like he is who HE says he is?

      FYI I have mass respect for all y’all commenting here…I really don’t know a lot about this stuff and I don’t mean to offend any of you but we’re all just sharing about our view on the world 🙂 if you want to talk to me alone more about anything I’ve said, I’ll riskily share my email haha: zannisni@gmail.com

    • Neisha on July 29, 2021 at 1:38 am

      Spoken just like a “christian”.

    • Neisha on July 29, 2021 at 1:59 am

      Victor, I can feel your anger. And I understand. But please do not let someone else’s opinions effect your soul. Let that go. 😘

  12. T on May 28, 2021 at 9:03 am

    Such beautiful message. Thank you.
    Some people in the comments are confused about meaning of “judgement” and think it has a “positive” version, while missing the consequences of the mind that judges being a closed mind, is a mind that can’t love and can’t truly see. While I am not a Christian, I enjoy relationships with people of any faith and first of all value honesty and humility. Wether one belongs to a church or not – makes no difference when a person is acting from their heart.
    Much love <3

  13. Justin on May 26, 2021 at 11:54 am

    what a terrible article. We ARE to judge actions. Not people. But we are wise to stay away from people who commit certain actions. If people who commit sin feel judged, then that’s on them. Jesus judged actions constantly. Please stop with these ridiculous articles

    • Chris on May 27, 2021 at 8:19 pm

      No Justin. Only the one who is without sin is allowed to judge, and that isn’t you.

      • Terry on May 28, 2021 at 2:43 pm

        I think we need to look at what it means to judge and this particular quote of Jesus’ that so many like to cite. Firstly, we HAVE to judge if we are to live in a civilized society. If judges and juries had to be perfect and sinless themselves in order to carry out their duties, our entire legal system would fall apart. The difference is that these people judge according to a pre-established set of rules – which they themselves must follow – rather than their own personal moral codes and prejudices. This second type of judging was what Jesus criticized – that the Pharisees held the people to a set of standards outside of Mosaic law which they themselves had made up.

        In the account of the adulterous woman from which Jesus’ famous quote is derived, He knew that this was a set-up on the part of the Pharisees, both for Himself and for the woman. If she had been caught in adultery (which she probably had), where was the man? It takes two to tango so why had they not brought him to be stoned as well? And the Pharisees’ intent was to trap Jesus in a no-win situation, as they expected Him to either abide by Mosaic law and show no compassion for the woman, or to give her a pass and break the law. The question was not whether she were guilty but what to do about it. Jesus wasn’t telling them not to judge her (as He told her to stop sinning), he was telling them not to kill her. In effect He was saying, “If she deserves to die, so do all of you,” because all of them had broken the law at some point. He was introducing a new way of thinking and living, based upon Grace rather than the Law, while still not excusing her or anyone’s sin. At a different point He told the Pharisees, to “judge with righteous judgment” – i.e., not to refrain from judging but to judge rightly and based upon true standards.

        This “righteous judgment” is what Christians are called to, if we judge at all – not arbitrary opinions like whether or not to drink alcohol, own a gun, watch R-rated movies or spend our money on this or that. If we discern between good and evil, the idea is to be salt and light in the world regardless of whether we make others feel guilty. We do not have the authority to “stone” people by condemning them to hell; we are to simply call out the lies of the world and point people to Christ.

        • Tooher on June 5, 2021 at 11:44 pm

          I really agree more with Carey on this point. That you cannot truly love someone while harboring any feelings of judgement – I think this is truly unconventional wisdom and lies in a deep reading of the Bible. It’s a thread woven throughout, especially, Job and most of the new testament. When you try to water this down with “common sense” you are in a way removing the potency of Jesus’ startling teachings.

          I’m still struggling with this myself of course. But maybe this requires us to see something another person has done, or ourself, and think “I understand why they did this, but I hope that if I were in a similar situations (again?) I would act differently.” Hold others (and yourself) in love, while recognizing certain acts as not representative of us as children of God. To separate those actions from another’s or our own God-given identity – that seems to me like it may be part of what is necessary to be Christian. But at the same time I really like how Carey describes responding to sin by witnessing/feeling the power of forgiveness. That response is more likely to result in reformation anyway.

          • Tiffani on June 19, 2021 at 6:15 pm

            This is completely accurate in my opinion. Christians are alienating everyone outside of their standards which is not allowing “Gods” people if you will, to reach out to others who are in need of him. I have decided I will not walk another foot in church again, even though I love God and want to walk with him. I will not ever be made to feel shamed, humiliated, and less than simply because my sin is different and we all sin. I pulled my daughter out of a Lutheran school because I was a friendly extrovert, who they have made it clear I was not a part of them nor wanted with my child. The looks, the stares were so intense I felt like I was stripped naked and all my garbage was out. It felt cultish and violating, although they didn’t see it that way whatsoever. So no, they didn’t reach me. You know why? They judged me. Made me feel worthless. Rejection brings out the worse in people. My behavior and my daughters behavior changed from rejection. Had we been embraced and accepted and loved I guarantee the outcome would have been way different. I am no cautious of anyone who says they are Christian and treats people like they are the enemy.



        • Matt Stilwell on June 13, 2021 at 8:20 pm

          I’m not attacking anyone. I’m just responding to worthless cowards that attacked me first.

          • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 5:30 am

            So adversarial



      • Matt Stilwell on June 7, 2021 at 6:57 pm

        Except that Jesus said TO judge. Miss that part ?

        • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 5:26 am

          That’s why IIthrew my bible away

      • Anna on June 8, 2021 at 8:03 am

        Well said, Chris.

        • Matt Stilwell on June 8, 2021 at 10:36 am

          Except that’s not what Jesus taught…

      • Bryan on June 9, 2021 at 11:12 am

        No sir, people who don’t judge damaging sin do not love as God says to love. I have been fornicating and several of my brothers in Christ said nothing. Now my sin is MY sin. But I would have felt much grace and STRENGTH in love if they would have came to me in a humble way and shown concern for my struggles. Praying with me and helping me stay focused on our Lord would have helped all of our faith in His Word. The Word is Christ, so holding me too His Word is showing me His love.
        This is a very delicate and very strong and important tooic that the church leaders have avoided. We shouldn’t avoid talking about sin anyway.
        I love you brother but I think you need more wisdom from His Word. Where two are three are gathered He is there. We are a body that loves, love is a comittment to action. The act of love is described in the bible, but all of the bible, not just 1 Corninthians 13.
        We are to chose wisely who we ran with because a little leaven leaven the whole lump. Well how do you chose who you run wirh?
        Judging in this sense has NOTHING to do with condemnation. Has to do with grace and restoration. God does not like sin even after we are saved by His Sons blood. We should honor Jesus by loving our brothers and sisters when its truly a test of love. Anybody well agree encouraging someone is so much easier than loving someone to help RESTORE them to a place of walking in the Spirit. Lots of praying and lots of love has to take place to been done by His will.
        Done in much humility!

        Have a great day

    • Tina on June 2, 2021 at 8:13 am

      I agree with you. Bad company corrupts good character. We are blessed if we do not hold a seat among the wicked.
      We are to love everyone and that love can be expressed in different ways. I don’t see examples of Jesus being tight close friends with sinners. I believe he was open to talking to anyone that was open to talking with him, but he wasn’t besties with working prostitutes. If someone was in sin and they were interested in talking with him, it was because he was a recognizably holy man and they were interested in what he was selling. They could see he offered more than what they had and we’re dissatisfied with. If we live that way, people interested in Jesus will be drawn to us. That is what we should focus on.
      And we don’t have to censor ourselves when it comes to talking about Jesus. If you are so into Jesus that it just flows out of you to talk about him always, then that is exactly where we should be. And anybody who wants to hear more about Jesus will stay, and anybody that does not will go.

      And just for the record, no, I do not think we should go around with picket signs telling people they’re going to hell.

    • Carolyn Morse on June 6, 2021 at 3:19 am

      Anyone who labels themselves as a Christian I run from…gossiping backstabbing, using, not accountable for their actions but they read their Bible. I tore one to shreds.

      • Anna on June 8, 2021 at 8:14 am

        I agree with you on that many do gossip, backstab, use people and especially that they are not accountable for their actions, and it is then when they decide to use “we are all sinners” to justify their bad behavior, but “it’s ok” because they have a relationship with the church. But God forbid a non-Christian sin because then we are definitely going to hell and we aren’t worthy of their friendship.

        • Matt Stilwell on June 8, 2021 at 10:35 am

          Those people, like catholics, are not christian.

        • Jennifer on June 10, 2021 at 11:41 am

          I am a very spiritual person, I believe in right and wrong, sin; but I’m not a Christian. They’re are too many denominations that all have their own beliefs. I believe that the Bible is a history book, but it was written by man. At certain parts of history there wasn’t a separation from Church and State. Most religions have a central theme that is consistent. I think it’s very hard to pass judgment on a person unless you’ve walked in their shoes. Judgment and Gossip can destroy someones life and creditablity. We all need to be personally accountable for our actions, and I don’t believe in a get out of jail for free card. I was born into an emotionally abusive home with a lot of anger. I hit 18, and I got the Hell out of dodge. I worked in the sex industry and it was a blessing to come home to a safe place without walking on eggshells. Through that industry, I met a lot of different people from a spectrum of cultures and backgrounds. I’m not defending my actions or the hurt that industry causes. But, I met a couple of different Christain ministers. I remember one in particular that judged me, but defended his actions because his wife had gone through breast cancer (not terminal). I understand that we all Sin, but passing judgment is a delicate subject. I have been on a journey to understand the meaning of life. I remember one past client, that was a very young child psychiatrist. He had a bright spirit and a promising career, but he committed suicide. He couldn’t shake the demons he carried from child abuse. My best friend of 20 years is a very strong Christian, and he can’t answer my questions. I’ve seen a very accurate psychic for the past 5 years. My personal conclusion is that human life is a learning experience. Mind, body, spirit; we come into this world as Awareness (Spirit). I believe that our Spirit has past Karma and we don’t come into this world with a completely clean slate. We’re here to grow and learn some hard lessons, not all the same. I do believe we come from Karma, Create it while we’re here, and have to answer for it. Just be Kind to people because you haven’t walked in their shoes.

          • DM Garrett Foster on June 10, 2021 at 12:26 pm

            Beautiful! ❤️💕❤️



          • N. Statler on June 24, 2021 at 11:28 pm

            Hi Jennifer,

            I believe you are a very advanced soul. I have been told I am an older soul. I am a senior or Elder and live in Southern California. I am also a Highly sensitive person and can easily cry about positive and negative things. I love animals, though not all. And I do suffer from PTSD from life’s traumas. And some mental health issues. I am from the Baby boomers generation. Many younger generations don’t like my generation. They blame us for all the problems political, climate changes, etc. I hope that whatever age in this lifetime you are, that you understand there is good and darkness in all of humans. I believe and have had many lessons myself at times. So, I am on the same wavelength that you are. I am not religious but came from a semi religious family. I have always been part of the Culture though. It is the Judaic faith. The same faith that Jesus was born into. And according to Judaism, we go back to Ha Shem as Jews. JEWS have been blamed for all the ills of this earth going way back. I believe JESUS brought in a New Consciousness.And his Mother Mary was from the Pleiades part of the Universe. There’s alot of mysticism in Judaism and other cultures and religions.
            There is a book I bought in a catholic bookstore over 20 years ago. It is called God’s Way of Life by Adele Gerard Tinning. It is very interesting and mystical. SHE IS A MEDIUM FOR JESUS. Of course the regular Bible will speak angst it. But The New Testament is especially damaging to the Jewish people. And Martin Luther was a very antisemitic guy. The Jewish Holocaust was brought about by some of his writings that were read in Germany. It was not only Jews that were murdered also many other different cultures, religions etc. And if any Evangelicals are reading my post, you all need to STop your Judgemental ways. There is KARMA on this Earth. And it always has been there. We all have to watch our backs. An example of Collective Karma was the Allied Forces that dealt with the 3rd Reich and with other nations aligned with it.

            All of us humans have Rights to live decent lives on earth. And if the Nazis were Not defeated I don’t desire to think about the Consequences we would have today here on EARTH. I would love to see any people who are writing on this post Walk A Mile in the shoes of their Grandparents during World War 2? Oh and by the way we in the USA are getting Karma presently for the Slavery we inflicted on The Black people’s that were brought here. THE WHITE EVANGELICAL COMMUNITY needs to take a look in the mirror.

            Jennifer, I honor your soul’s opinions.

            Bravo!



          • Neisha on July 29, 2021 at 2:12 am

            Jennifer, sounds like my childhood to a certain extent. I got out the same age you did. Don’t ever be ashamed for your past. You wouldn’t be here writing as you did if you hadn’t had the history you had. I want to be more like Jennifer.



          • vince on August 14, 2021 at 6:02 pm

            The Bible is unique among all books in that it was written by 40 or so authors over 1500 year period and the basic theme of the book is the same through out. Yes written by men….inspired by God. The prophecies fulfilled, the miracles, the unity in writing, and so much more tell us that this is a miraculous book in itself. So many people never look in to it for themselves and miss out on the most important message in life. Check out the many atheists who set out on a mission to disprove the Bible and became believers in the process. You should look at this closely and then believe it or not….your choice..the most important choice in life….



    • BJ Taylor on June 13, 2021 at 10:26 pm

      Amazingly concise, directly relevant comment, Justin! Mr. Nieuwhof should thank you for providing a stunningly on point example of what he is saying in just three and a half lines.

      Respectfully, sir, if you can read what you wrote with an open a mind, you may see why so many people, other Christians, as well as non-Christians, are being repelled and some churches are losing members while a lot of their youth have already wandered away in disappointment and despair of the loss of Christ in Christianity by their elders. Your short burst of righteous attachment to condemnation bristles with anger, negativity, hostility, arrogance, exclusion, blaming of the victim, judgment, and superiority, as do your two deliberately harsh, completely unwarranted insults of the Christian author.

      Sadly, no warmth. No love. No forgiveness. No mercy. No understanding. No humility. And certainly no welcome. The only hint of Christ in it is His name. That will not help you and your church bring others to Christ. Nobody wants to hang out with cold, hostile people, whose only point is a strident claim to the right to judge them continually.

      You are judging people, Justin, not just actions. And to use your word “ridiculous,” it’s ridiculous to say that if they feel judged, it’s on them. It is not. It’s on you. You are not the be all and end all in determing what is wrong, what right, what is sin, what is not. However good a man you are ,that’s far above your station. You misunderstand Christ’s meaning.

      Please think a bit less harshly and more of Christian love. It will help you, as well as those you impact and be more in line with what he taught us to do – and not to do.

    • Saintco on June 30, 2021 at 10:23 am

      Jesus told you judge, Justin? So were you just leaving out parts of the bible such as; “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”
      You appear to be a very hateful man, one that the article was writing about perhaps.

      • Matt Stilwell on June 30, 2021 at 11:08 am

        “Jesus told you judge, Matt? So were you just leaving out parts of the bible such as; “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”
        You appear to be a very hateful man, one that the article was writing about perhaps.”
        Yes, Jesus said to judge. He said to judge with righteous judgement. Meaning to judge that actions of people. The kind of judging you are mistakenly referring to means the judgement of what happens to someone after they die. Righteous judgement means to judge by the rules that GOD created.

        Think before you speak.

        • Lego Bugati on September 3, 2021 at 5:38 am

          So much anger

  14. Larry Lute on May 24, 2021 at 9:56 pm

    From Google university, the defintion of the verb “judge”:

    verb
    verb: judge; 3rd person present: judges; past tense: judged; past participle: judged; gerund or present participle: judging

    form an opinion or conclusion about.

    If you “don’t judge” anyone, it’s becuase you have somehow managed to live your entire life WITHOUT FORMING AN OPINION OR CONCLUSION ABOUT ANY HUMAN BEING.

    When we (mis)use this word – and we will, because we just can’t seem to help ourselves – we are actually talking about forming an opinion or conclusion about specifics:,

    another person’s spiritual destiny (expressly forbidden by Jesus, but we do it anyhow)
    someone’s choices
    someone’s character (ever voted?)

    Please… please… he pleaded into the uncaring void… to the author and any other Nonjudgians… stop framing the dialogue in this way. Humans with finctioning brain stems judge each other as a way of forming and maintaining (or ending) human relationships.

    As an alternative, one could offera conversationa about the specifics: the ones I mentioned or others, and whether and to what extent these speifics are part of follwing Jesus’ teaching.

    • Topher on June 6, 2021 at 12:02 am

      Words have spheres of meanings. I think in the context here, the term “judge” means something more specific than just forming an opinion. I think it means something more like “reacting to something that someone has done in a way that makes them less worthy, in one’s own esteem, of being a friend.” Or something like that anyway.

    • Bryan on June 9, 2021 at 11:26 am

      Hey brother that was good example of plain truth. Good job.

  15. Russel Mackie on May 19, 2021 at 7:53 am

    As a Christian I find that when I try to befriend a certain group of non-Christians they always try to turn me into on of them. EG: LGBTQ+ have tried getting me to turn gay, or atheists try to get me to renounce my faith.
    It’s gotten to the point where I can’t keep friends for more than a few months. As a Christian I try to live the bible as well as read it. There are a few personal things that I struggle with that I don’t feel comfortable saying. But as soon as I mention it they go “I am much holier than thou art” on me. For example when I mention I have a disability they start being judgy on me. “Oh you have a disability, we can’t be friends.”
    I try to not be like allot of other christians, (try is a bit of an understatement, I’m not like other Christians. But you get the idea.) and when I make one mistake like try telling my quote on quote non-Christian friends my doubts and bad habits they start saying, “aren’t you supposed to be a Christian?” It’s really hard being a Christian in my case, because allot of other Christian’s try to copy me when they should be trying to be their best version of themselves not mine. Anyways, sorry for the book.

    • Jennifer on June 10, 2021 at 5:23 pm

      We all have a consciousness that needs to take stock of our own actions. We are all sinners, that’s just a fact. My issue with a lot of people that I’ve know that are vocal Christians (always talking about their faith), don’t act Christ like.

      One example; a lady that I depend on from a business arrangement. She’s always telling me that she’s a Christian, but the problem lies in the fact that her actions rarely represent that. To her, she is superior by saying that she’s a Christian. It would be better, if she didn’t tout that and her actions represented what being a true Christian meant (trying to act Christ like).

      I feel like the term is thrown out there by a lot of people as a status symbol. Instead it becomes a good versus bad, I’m right/you’re wrong. It’s used in business as a symbol of honesty. I feel like there is shame if you don’t identify with Christianity. I don’t think moral and ethic behavior are soley dependent on Christianity. Christianity is a belief system.
      Actually, the different demoninations of Christianity vary greatly on their views of the afterlife.

      I personally believe we are all Spiritual beings and there is a UNIVERSAL ethical/moral code, not a cultural subtype of belief systems. Christianity is cultural, most religions that I have studied recognize Jesus. Some say Jesus and Buddha met. I feel like too many religions get caught up in having to be right about the details and loose tract of the basic fundamentals of being a kind loving person. It begins to feel like belonging to a certain sports team or political party.

      We are all guilty of judging, and it keeps us safe. We’re all on different paths, and we need to be respectful of diversity and learn from each other versus throwing stones.

      • vince on June 11, 2021 at 10:17 am

        True Jennifer….people can say anything but their actions speak volumes. Matthew 7:15-20 says “By their fruiys you will KNOW them”….in time with observation you will know people for who they are regardless of what they say. As Christians we need to be like Jesus…humble, kind, truthful,etc. Non Christians or believers will see us for who we really are also so we must always be aware of that. People will always hate us for who we are….just a fact, but we must rise above that and be good examples to the world……

  16. Ed on May 3, 2021 at 9:36 pm

    4. Christians think and act as they are better than everyone else at all times. They never take a critical look at who they are worshipping or what they allegedly believing in.

    Their religion is dead set in staying in the Dark Ages. Time to leave myth in the past.

    • Ken on May 9, 2021 at 7:55 am

      As Christian’s we definitely don’t think we are better than non-Christian’s, we just think we are better than we use to be.

      • Terry on May 27, 2021 at 1:59 pm

        Well said, Ken.

      • Amanda on July 4, 2021 at 5:01 pm

        YEEESSSS!!!!🏌️‍♂️

      • Renée on August 13, 2021 at 3:14 pm

        We are better than we used to be. Yes, Christians who reflect Christ’s nature are the ones who are humble and loving. Every other Christian that is deep set is religiousity and tradition, have a haughty spirit because they think they know everything. But they don’t, I don’t, no one does. That’s why it’s important to be open to grown and ascend in God. The journey is eternal.

    • Neil Campbell on May 16, 2021 at 12:07 am

      Who the hell are you to talk about Christianity, and then try and sell me a book? You had me believing, maybe things could be better, but then you tried to sell me a book!

    • Neil Campbell on May 16, 2021 at 12:28 am

      Who the hell are you to talk about Christianity, and then try and sell me a book? You had me believing, maybe things could be better, but then you tried to sell me a book!
      Did you know I have a demon inside of me? One that I swallowed willingly?
      I couldn’t allow him to keep harming my grandsons.
      Now I struggle everyday to deal w it But my grandsons r safe.
      My alcoholism has grown out of proportion! More then it ever has. I struggle to keep myself in control. I struggle to keep myself sain.
      I am possessed by a very strong demon!
      I refuse to allow it release!
      I will go to hell to release it, if that is what it takes.
      It has thrown me against walls. It has tried to make my heart burst.
      It has tried to make me suffacte.
      I will stand strong for my grandsons, but I lose faith in God.
      Why do I have to struggle w a real demon while I’m already struggling w alcohol?

      • Jean on May 25, 2021 at 2:14 pm

        Hello Neil,
        I hope you are doing well, are you still possessed with the demon? Please let me know so I can help you.

        • Blaze on May 25, 2021 at 2:31 pm

          And how would you go by doing that jean

        • Kathryn Jones on May 25, 2021 at 9:07 pm

          Good one, Jean. I was wondering what his hissy fit was all about.

    • Neil Campbell on May 16, 2021 at 12:50 am

      God loves everyone! I have heard those that rail against gay rights.
      I agree that those that live that lifestyle is there decision.
      However I don’t like the fact that they want it to be everyday lifestyle!
      A boy should be raised a man!
      If he decides later to change that is his choice.
      But I believe it is wrong to take away masculinity before it has a chance to mature.
      To show an unnatural world to a person b4 they experience the real world!

    • Payton on June 7, 2021 at 5:11 pm

      This!

  17. Cheryl on April 21, 2021 at 7:52 am

    Mother Mary was a virgin. It was prophesied. For Jesus to be the Saviour, He could not be born of the sinful nature of fallen Adam.

    If you believe in God who created the universe, is it a stretch to believe that He can incarnate within the womb of a virgin?

    • Alma Altar on April 21, 2021 at 2:05 pm

      I was born Christian – not any more. I have one prayer. Dear God, please save me from the complete idiots who believe in this crap. And, please save our planet from the nut cases who have a warped worldview and who believes in demons and angels fighting each other on behalf of the devil and “God”. Who refuses to understand evolution. How will they ever learn about man made climate change? if they think everything bad is by default of Devil’s evil… I got to stop because yes, I despise Christians for Guilt, Hypocrisy and darn evil at Friendship. But, also for having a destructive world view.

      • vince on April 21, 2021 at 3:47 pm

        We are all entitled to our opinions but we should not hate those who do not have our opinions. No one should try and force their beliefs on another regardless of what it is. We have freedom of religion and speech right now so we have to try and respect each other if we are EVER to unite in this Country and the World. There is enough hate in the World so we have to try and love each other best we can. The World can be a better place…

      • Yeti on April 21, 2021 at 6:41 pm

        You hit the nail on the head there.

      • Lola on April 22, 2021 at 2:16 pm

        Thank you Alma. I do not believe, but am involved with a man who does, we both are older, 60ties and 70ties. We love each other but even that love is tainted by the punitive god in whom he believes. Why would a god guilt an old man because the old man can and wants to have sex with an old woman?
        Isn’t love and life given to us by this god to live it to the fullest? (At least that would be my interpretation.)
        So again Alma, thank you for listening. Wish I could find a solution in that book he lives by….o well…

      • Cathy Wallace on May 3, 2021 at 11:41 pm

        Alma Altar,

        I am sorry that you have had that experience. I try to be authentic in my faith and try to treat others as Jesus did and would. I am far from perfect….. I wish you well

      • Neil Campbell on May 16, 2021 at 1:02 am

        God loves everyone! I have heard those that rail against gay rights.
        I agree that those that live that lifestyle is there decision.
        However I don’t like the fact that they want it to be everyday lifestyle!
        A boy should be raised a man!
        If he decides later to change that is his choice.
        But I believe it is wrong to take away masculinity before it has a chance to mature.
        To show an unnatural world to a person b4 they experience the real world!

    • Yeti on April 21, 2021 at 6:39 pm

      I don’t believe in fairytales. Nobody alive on this earth truly knows how the universe was created.

      • vince on May 4, 2021 at 1:55 am

        look closer….no myth….no fairytale….millions of people are not believing in a lie. Even atheist historians agree on the authenticity of the Bible….but….it is up to you to believe or not to believe…the eternal question…worth the time to check it out. If it is true, it is the biggest decision of your very short life…100 years vs eternity

      • Ken on May 9, 2021 at 7:27 am

        There really is only two alternatives to how the universe was “CREATED” Either an all-powerful, uncreated, eternally existing being created everything we see, or nothing created something. So basically, it would require a whole lot more faith to believe something came from nothing which is scientifically impossible.

        • Neil Campbell on May 16, 2021 at 12:54 am

          If something came from nothing you r challenging both God and Darwin.

    • Liz on April 29, 2021 at 10:18 pm

      Thank you so much for the self awareness! As an agnostic I’ve dealt with far too many Christians that preach, judge, hate, and are overall terrible human beings. Thank you for realizing that. I like Christianity but I’ve met more bad Christians than good.

      • Ken on May 9, 2021 at 7:32 am

        You refer to Christian’s who judge as being terrible human beings. In making such a comment are you not also doing the same by judging people?

        • Jo on May 30, 2021 at 6:16 pm

          In my 52 year of life experience, other Christians have been the most hateful, critical, aggressively judgmental, alienating people I have ever had the displeasure of meeting. I have known very few who were not consumed with self-righteousness, who did not base their existence on the abuse and oppression of others, who did not seek flaws in all they met. It is no wonder that people are driven from the faith, when Christians are so universally Un-Christlike and most make no effort to address this with themselves before attacking others. Witness all of the people who speak, vote, and act to hurt those with whom they differ in belief, lifestyle, and circumstance.

    • Ken on May 9, 2021 at 7:58 am

      If it’s true that God created the universe and everything in it, then is it really such a stretch or difficult task for the incarnation to have actually happened?

      • Neil Campbell on May 16, 2021 at 1:10 am

        Oh shit karma? I believe in real karma!
        Did you know that karma is not about this life? Karma is about previous lives.
        Your current life is about cleaning karma from previous lives so you can claim your life in salvation.
        Every single thing u have done in previous lives is judged. You have this life to make it right. Otherwise u r condemned to another life to try again.

    • Neil Campbell on May 16, 2021 at 12:20 am

      Who the hell are you to talk about Christianity, and then try and sell me a book? You had me believing, maybe things could be better, but then you tried to sell me a book!
      Did you know I have a demon inside of me? One that I swallowed willingly?
      I couldn’t allow him to keep harming my grandsons.
      Now I struggle everyday to deal w it But my grandsons r safe.
      My alcoholism has grown out of proportion! More then it ever has. I struggle to keep myself in control. I struggle to keep myself sain.
      I am possessed by a very strong demon!
      I refuse to allow it release!
      I will go to hell to release it, if that is what it takes.

  18. Alma Altar on April 20, 2021 at 4:12 am

    It’s conceited attitudes like yours that make christians suck at friendship. Christians like to hide behind a wall of bigotry. Silently distancing themselves from reality. If reality and personal imagination don’t match then the fantasy worldview wins.

    • Tristan Z. Haze on May 20, 2021 at 5:33 pm

      Amen Alma Altar, sister/brother/sibling. I can’t stand to see christianity used as an excuse to judge, condem, and exclude people. Some of the homophobic and islamophobic comments in this thread are prime examples. Blind adherence to dogma that’s 2000 years old, and no longer has anything to do with the current state of interpersonal relations.

      Let’s break it down.

      Homosexuality: at the time of the writing of the various parts of the bible, Jews and christians were an endangered people, enslaved by the Egyptians and later persecuted by the Romans. I think it’s safe to say that both groups might feel like anything that got in the way of having a lot of children (adoption by gay couples was probably not a thing then, nor was maternal surrogacy or in vitro fertilization) was probably viewed in a pretty dim light.

      Islam: Jews (and by extension their christian supporters) and Muslims have been fighting over the holy land for how long? Oppression of Jews by Muslims occurred during the middle ages for centuries — restrictive laws, violence and killings, then after the first and second world wars, the tables turned when Jews started moving back into Israel in droves to escape oppression and genocide in Europe. Israeli Jews currently fight with Palestinians over the West Bank and the Gaza strip, alternately bulldozing homes and firing rockets at each other, with the occasional suicide bombing. Christians persecuted Muslims all through the Crusades, in their drive to remove them from the holy land at any cost.

      My point is that religion & religious intolerance has caused more and bloodier wars than pretty much any other single factor throughout history.

      The only rational answer I see is to abandon religion altogether and just understand that we are all people, regardless of whatever is on the outside of our bodies, and inside our brains. We all want the same things: Clothing, shelter, water, food, love, respect, peace and freedom (and education, healthcare, and utilities, but that goes without saying). Didn’t Jesus tell you all to love everyone as yourself? I don’t recall any caveats regarding race, religion, or sexual orientation. Can we just understand that and leave the religious baggage behind??

  19. Micah Scott on April 17, 2021 at 4:51 pm

    In response to the first objection to Christians, have you as a fellow Christian I assume, ever read 1 John 2:15? It literally says DO NOT LOVE the world. So your saying we’re supposed to love the world as a Christian even though the Bible clearly tells us not to?

    • Terry on April 18, 2021 at 12:54 pm

      The idea is to love the people IN the world (as John himself wrote over and over) but not the things OF the world. Both hard things to do…

    • ed on May 3, 2021 at 9:13 pm

      If the Christian God detests the world so much, then why does the Christian God continually sends living beings here? It starts at the top.

      • vince on May 5, 2021 at 6:50 pm

        God does not hate the world….John 3:16 says he loves the World. God will never contradict himself or lie…

    • Asher on June 1, 2021 at 6:12 pm

      Do not love the world. Yes, that is correct, but the people in our world are NOT THE WORLD. God created all people, so we should love all people. Just because someone is in the world, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t love them.

  20. Joahkim on April 11, 2021 at 6:44 pm

    Beautiful article. I am a church leader and sympathize. 30K plus Christian denominations, yet 1 God. Quick to judge someone with “Sanctification” yet hearts are dirty. Brothers and sisters, I feel your dislike to Christian pseudos. Look to God and only God. Man will always fall short. Don’t care if there are dressed up in Sunday best….. all have sinned and have fall short to the glory of God.

  21. Ben on April 6, 2021 at 5:09 pm

    I’m a pagan who tends to shove other peoples religions in his own face because I like to read up drama.
    Thanks for all the read up material which I can’t really add to other than: – Most christians I know have neck-breathing issues where they are so focused on what other people might be doing wrong that they miss what their own issues are, I worked for a salvation army for 5 years (and survived without telling the heathen part) and this is what I mostly noticed judging sees status quo. also they refer to homosexuals as ”Van de vekeerde kant” which translates to from the wrong side. Basically a theyVus homophobic stance.

    • tim v on April 11, 2021 at 6:50 am

      Ben. Thank you. It’s sad, I had to disown my own brother because every time I hang up the phone I felt as though I was talking to a used car salesman. Why can’t Christians just be honest with themselves. I’ve known many Christians in my life where I realized they can’t be honest with themselves. As it says above in title above “preaching cheat sheet” says it all. If they spent all their energy in spreading love and understanding, they would stop propagating hate.
      Tim V.

    • Matt Stilwell on June 9, 2021 at 11:23 am

      homophobia isn’t a real thing.

      • Ed on June 22, 2021 at 2:09 pm

        Yes it is, Matt. And you are part of the proof.

        • Matt Stilwell on June 23, 2021 at 9:19 am

          There’s hate against gay people, sure, but if that’s what you’re going to be talking about, you shouldn’t use a word that has nothing to do with it. You, like a lot of other cowards, have confused the meaning of the word phobia. Transphobia, the fear of gay people, doesn’t exist…like I said.

        • Matt Stilwell on August 6, 2021 at 10:31 am

          As I said, coward, phobia means fear of, not hatred of. If you want to talk about hate towards gay people, then don’t use a term that doesn’t have anything to do with what you’re talking about.

  22. christianity - the grave of progress on March 28, 2021 at 6:11 pm

    Belief has nothing to do with anything. Half the world sees and experiences the transcendent everywhere. Abrahamic religion separates spirit from matter, and so the lesson is lost. We are not separate, but distinct. Belief is literally for two year olds. And older people who are ignorant, arrogant, belligerent, and deadened by literalism.

    • Bruce on April 2, 2021 at 2:16 am

      Few people seem to talk about “lay not your treasures up on earth where rot and (the fungus) rust doth corrupt and thieves break in and steal.” That sounds like we shouldn’t have a house and car full of things thieves will want to steal. If everyone had lived according to “lay not your treasures up on earth”, would we live as hunter gatherers and no greenhouse gas emissions and no global warming? Is the way to end global warming and limit global warming to 1.5 degrees is to be more like Jesus and lay down our lives for the sheep of Jesus who live according to “lay not your treasures up on earth”? That way there would be just hunter gathers on earth and no global warming. And no threat of nuclear war because (hopefully) we would have learned to “turn the other cheek” disable our nuclear weapons.

      • Terry on May 4, 2021 at 7:31 am

        Storing up treasures isn’t so much about what we have as what we want. Not having stuff won’t keep us from wanting it, and even having stuff doesn’t mean that this is our treasure. There were plenty of wealthy people in the Bible who were never told by God to give all of their stuff away. (The “rich young ruler” was told to by Jesus because He knew that money WAS his treasure.) And we can have treasures on earth that aren’t “stuff” – a promotion at work, a relationship, other people’s opinions, and even health and family; any of these things can be placed before God. But there’s no standard in the Bible for how much money or stuff we should have (or not have), just the call to use these things to benefit others and share the gospel.

        As for the environmental impact of “stuff”, there are practical reasons that we don’t live in hunter-gatherer societies anymore; but even if we did people groups would still be fighting over territory and resources because that’s just human nature. In my opinion investing in things of good quality that serve us well and last a long time (like a good car and a well-built house) is better stewardship of our money than buying cheap (e.g., plastic) things that break or fall apart after a few years (or months) and get tossed in a landfill. We may not need sports cars or the latest designer clothing, but it’s unfortunate that sermons on “storing up treasures” seem to guilt-trip Christians into going cheap on most of their material goods so as to contribute even more to all the waste and pollution in the world.

    • Kristen on April 2, 2021 at 9:37 pm

      What I find ironic is people especially in America only ever call out Christians they never call out other religions especially Islam when they’re more legalistic than Christians, and they’re currently killing infidels in the name of their religion right now! I suppose satan doesn’t care as long as people don’t find that truth, and that truth being Jesus came and died for the world to be saved, and unbelievers are convicted by the truth.

      • Margaret Cook on April 25, 2021 at 3:52 pm

        Please, Christians are not victims. One of the main actions that Christians are advised to undertake is sharing the message. Spreading the message. I’m sure if I lived in a Middle Eastern country I would have just as much opposition to the lack of respect for my beliefs by the group most insistent on their religion permeating public spaces, who rudely come to my doorstep insisting that I be cordial, who can not convene one public government meeting without praising their God, who believe they have the right to come between me and my doctor and me and my partner. I don’t call out Islam because Islam doesn’t have hundreds of churches in my area, which I think is 75-100K pop. But Christians do. I can’t take one step any direction without being confronted by some Christian representation. Can’t even sneeze in peace. So, stop already with the victimhood.

        • Ed on May 3, 2021 at 9:15 pm

          Thank you Margaret Cook! The professional victimhood of Christians need to be called out and it’s been far too long.

      • Terry on May 4, 2021 at 7:06 am

        It seems that Kristen’s point is the comparative intolerance of Islam (and other religions) vs. the supposed “intolerance” of Christianity. We may annoy people by telling them a message they don’t want to hear, but you don’t see Christians chopping people’s heads off for not believing (or even for homosexual attraction), or treating women like second-class citizens or forbidding little girls from receiving an education. I agree that Christians endure much less persecution in the U.S., or that it at least takes a different form here than elsewhere. But if Christianity were to go away something else would step in to fill that void (as other beliefs already are in a post-Christian society), and that “something” just might be Islam and its Sharia law.

        • Tristan Z. Haze on May 27, 2021 at 1:28 pm

          If you think christians haven’t killed and tortured people for not believing you know nothing of history. Heard of a little thing called the Spanish Inquisition? How about the Crusades? It’s no wonder there are Muslims who don’t like christians. They represent a small minority, I should add — roughly the same percentage as christians who view muslims as nothing but terrorists, or feel it’s ok to bomb abortion clinics or kill doctors that perform abortions. How about the fate of Joan of Arc? She was christian and christians burned her at the stake for saying she’d been spoken to by god! Jesus was persecuted by the Romans at the behest of the leaders of the Jewish community at the time. Muslim and Jewish laws have very similar roots, and in many cases directly influenced each other, and christian morals derive pretty directly from Jewish law. You’re not innocent.

          I should add though that even atheists — my chosen in-group — are not free of blame. I am not above all this either — I tend to view christians with contempt — but have managed not to kill anyone over it at least. I’m another flawed human being just like you.
          Communist atheism has been used to persecute and kill religious people, viewing them as a threat to authority. I’m not innocent.

          Humans collect themselves into insular “in-groups” and persecute “out-groups”. There are numerous historical examples: Whites kill non-whites. Whites killed native Americans and drove them off their land, put them in reservations to keep them in their place — they’re still there, still suffering the after-effects today. Whites enslaved Africans for hundred of years, killing who knows how many and still persecute them today (Police killings, lynchings). Spaniard christians killed native people all over central and south America and infected them with European diseases, pretty much wiping them out. Christians killed pagans and “witches” (liberated or educated women). Christians kill Muslims (Crusades, numerous actions in middle east and Afghanistan). Roman pagans killed christians for sport. German & Russian christians systematically persecuted and finally killed 6 million plus Jews (The Holocaust, WWI death marches). Turks slaughtered Armenians in the Armenian Genocide. Muslims kill christians (9/11, various terrorist attacks) and Jews (Palestine). Theravada Buddhists kill & persecute Rohingya Muslims (Myanmar). Chinese communists killed religious people of all types, and are still persecuting Uyghurs Muslims and putting them in forced “re-education” concentration & forced labor camps right now. This has been going on since the dawn of time. No one is innocent.

          You’re just using a veil of christianity to justify persecution of Muslims. This is called Islamophobia, and it is rampant amongst christians. Get off your high horse — you’re just as guilty as everyone else.

          This brings a popular (if old) song to mind:

          I don’t want to be hostile, I don’t want to be dismal
          And I don’t want to rot in an apathetic existence
          See, I want to believe you, and I wanted to trust you
          And I wanna have faith to put away the dagger but you lie cheat and steal!
          And I tolerate you
          You lie cheat and steal!
          I cannot tolerate

          Veil of virtue hung to hide your method
          While I smile and laugh and dance and
          Sing your praise and glory
          Shroud of virtue hung to mask your stigma
          As I smile and laugh and dance and sing your glory
          While you lie cheat and steal!
          How can I tolerate you?
          You lie cheat and steal!
          I cannot tolerate
          Our guilt, our blame I’ve been far too sympathetic
          Our blood our fault I’ve been far too sympathetic
          I am not innocent
          I am innocent
          You are not innocent
          No one is innocent

          How can I tolerate you?
          I will not tolerate you
          I will go down beside you
          I must go down beside you
          No one is innocent

          • Terry on May 28, 2021 at 2:37 pm

            Tristan, I don’t dismiss the atrocities committed by the Church in the past; but we’ve pretty much figured out since then that forced conversions don’t work and skirt the whole point. My intent above was to clarify Kristen’s comments, not out of fear but based upon observation, namely of multiple news reports in recent years. And while I myself have never beheaded anyone or bombed an abortion clinic, you are correct in that I am not innocent. None of us are – which is why we all need Christ.



          • Matt Stilwell on June 9, 2021 at 11:25 am

            “Heard of a little thing called the Spanish Inquisition? How about the Crusades? It’s no wonder there are Muslims who don’t like christians. They represent a small minority, I should add — roughly the same percentage as christians who view muslims as nothing but terrorists, or feel it’s ok to bomb abortion clinics or kill doctors that perform abortions. How about the fate of Joan of Arc? She was christian and christians burned her at the stake for saying she’d been spoken to by god!”
            One, the inquisition was the catholics, not christians. The crusades, as well, were the catholics. Nothing wrong with the crusades. They were a response to 100 years of cowardly islamic terrorism.

            All muslims aren’t terrorists ? Then why do they all follow a book that commands everyone that reads it to be a terrorist ? Joan of arc was catholic…NOT christian.



        • DM Garrett Foster on June 8, 2021 at 11:35 am

          Let’s not forget another hidden lesson in history: Native American children forcibly removed from their homes by Christian missionaries so they could beat and rape the Indian out of them. If I can find this info so can you.

          I was raised Baptist until our preacher had a falling out with my parents’ favoring John F. Kennedy. Fast forward to my father’s early death. We never really knew much about his family. I spent 12 years in Oklahoma researching his ancestry, boy what an eye opener! He was born in Wewoka, Indian Territory. My perception of Christianity went to hell from there (pun intended).

          The info is out!

          • Matt Stilwell on June 8, 2021 at 11:54 am

            “Native American children forcibly removed from their homes by Christian missionaries so they could beat and rape the Indian out of them.”
            CATHOLIC missionaries, not christian. big difference.



    • Prega on April 3, 2021 at 2:35 pm

      It’s good to talk to people about Jesus Christp and sometimes use words

    • John on April 5, 2021 at 2:54 am

      Yeah that’s right. This article! True fact.
      Guilt pushing and hypocrisy are given fact in the stereotype. As a non-christian (atheist) I can also confirm #3. Stink at Friendship. One could perhaps claim it to be a consequence of the first two.
      Long story short – I’m born Christian but will never again set my fot in a church or join any type of ceremony. I’ve let my kids know; “Never ever trust a christian”. Never. Ever. It’s not worth the huge risk.

      • Teri on April 22, 2021 at 1:06 am

        What does “born Christian” mean?
        Do you mean into a Christian tradition?
        No one is “born Christian”🤷🏼‍♀️

    • Ken on May 9, 2021 at 8:01 am

      Do you believe what you posted in your reply? Yes or No

    • Gabriella on May 27, 2021 at 4:22 am

      THANK YOU!
      I can’t add anything to your utterly perfect reply!

  23. Mark on March 20, 2021 at 11:28 pm

    Jesus didn’t tell us not to judge. He taught us how to judge.

    • Paola on April 2, 2021 at 6:27 pm

      You are exactly the problem the article is talking about.

    • tim v on April 11, 2021 at 6:54 am

      Ben. Thank you. It’s sad, I had to disown my own brother because every time I hang up the phone I felt as though I was talking to a used car salesman. Why can’t Christians just be honest with themselves. I’ve known many Christians in my life where I realized they can’t be honest with themselves. As it says above in title above “preaching cheat sheet” says it all. If they spent all their energy in spreading love and understanding, they would stop propagating hate.
      Tim V.

    • Nisha on April 17, 2021 at 3:20 am

      Jesus came not to bring peace but a sword. That’s a good sign if a teacher is unwilling to tickle ears.

      If people end up in hell they will wish others were preaching the gospel more aggressively to those who want to hear. Or to live Christ like in front of unbelievers and back sliders

    • Rhonda on April 21, 2021 at 4:49 pm

      I agree, Mark. And unfortunately this article appears guilty of stereotyping all Christians together for being guilty of what it itself is accusing the Christians. I believe it is very natural for Christians to not be perfect as Paul describes in Mmmm Romans chapter 7 , maybe. But it takes being a Christian and reading the Bible to make some sense of that. While I am certain there are numerous folks living under the title “Christian” while not actually being Christian at all creating a whole other side to the apparent hypocrisy, the Scriptures also explicitly describe a sanctification as being a process, we are not perfect until we get to heaven, yet working toward it and hopefully being transparent about the process including repentance when we fail. For a believer to write this article is ironic and is actually doing the very same thing his/her finger points (hypocritical (?)). Kinda funny, right? Good bit of irony here. It really does help to stay in the word when we encounter all these life’s ironies and obstacles. Something seem like riddles, don’t they?

      It is also 100 % valid that a non believer would be very critical of these things whether those they point at are authentic Christians or not…expectedly so as there is an inherent critical spirit of most anything that might challenge one’s own nature. When we are by nature sinners, and I can speak to this because by nature I am one, we reach immediately for criticizing those whose standard puts our own into question. Think of the sibling who is caught and confronted by the parents who tries to deflect attention and comes off with the announcement of what the little sister had done wrongly the previous day. Haha…
      We are all sinners in need of a Savior, something most if not all non believers will also hate to hear or agree with because it makes us see that we need to give up the sin that we love so much. Again, I can say this from personal experience. Both sides here are validly in err due to human nature, and both can be corrected and healed by Jesus.
      Yet the one thing, also likely hated by a nonbeliever, I must not neglect to point out here is this: No. None of you was “born a Christian” and your simply stating this really reveals that you did not come to a full understanding of the Christian faith before you walked away and began judging Christians. And that is alright too, as long as you don’t expect others to believe that you were “born a Christian” (unless you mean born AGAIN Christian) …but being born as infant into the world as a Christian simply does not happen and those who know the word know that. The great news about this point is that there really still is hope for those who’ve walked away claiming this falsehood of being born a Christian. ,If they indeed get humble (putting aside how much they might dislike Christians) and genuinely turn to God, Jesus, asking Him to reveal who He really is they will find out what this is really all about. Look to the one your faith needs to be in rather than the follower of Him.
      It’s hard. I know. Our human nature will try to rebel at all costs for our love of sin and pride and in so doing blame others, pretty much always until we are corrected by Jesus Himself. Call on Him and then you will begin to understand what is really going on here.

      • Lily on May 16, 2021 at 9:16 pm

        That fact that a believer wrote this article isn’t ironic at all; the believer focused first and foremost on their own shortcomings. I didn’t feel like there was any finger pointing being done. The truth is, maybe this article wasn’t for you, who appears to be a believer already. That’s the problem with Christians, we read all these Christian articles to try to get something out of them or something. Like we are the center of the universe. We aren’t. This article is important if it resonated with one person who has been relentlessly judged by a “Christian” when they should have been relentlessly loved and accepted. Period. It’s important for people to hear Christians say that we aren’t perfect and we’ve really missed the mark-more often than not. It’s way more important than you calling out “falsehoods”. I assume people mean they were born to an already Christian family, and raised in the Christian faith when they say “born Christian”, which makes sense. Just saying. Again, not important. I consider this article, if nothing else, a call to be a better Christian, even a better human in general. I’m not too proud for a good wake up call, and a reminder that my primary responsibility is to be like Jesus. I’m going to read this article again. Maybe this article is for you too, after all.

        • Payton on June 7, 2021 at 5:28 pm

          Lily,
          As an atheist, this world needs more Christians like you.

    • Lola on April 22, 2021 at 2:21 pm

      Good one!!!

    • Ken on May 9, 2021 at 8:03 am

      Did Jesus tell us not to judge? Jesus said: Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24

  24. Matt on March 14, 2021 at 7:34 pm

    I appreciated your interpretation of people’s problem with Christians and find myself recently asking very similar questions as I walk the path of a Spirit filled life.
    This is our next topic in my bible study group John 13:33-34. A new command I give you; Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.

    I leave you with a quote from Gregory Boyle’s book Barking to the Choir
    “The Choir is everyone who longs and aches to widen their “loving look” at what is right in front of them. What the Choir is searching for is authentic.
    In a recent New Yorker profile of American Baptist, the congregations leadership resigned itself to the fact that “secular culture” would always be “hostile” to Christianity. I don’t believe this is true. Our culture is hostile only to the inauthentic living of the gospel. It sniffs out hypocrisy everywhere and knows when Christians aren’t taking seriously, what Jesus took seriously. It is, by and large, hostile to the right things. It actually longs to embrace the gospel of inclusion and non-violence, of compassionate love and acceptance. Even atheists cherish such a prospect. “

    ❤️✝️

    • Lisa Mims on April 2, 2021 at 9:59 am

      I m in agreement with this opinion. God gave us a simple directive as believers: Love one another. Period.

    • Ken on May 9, 2021 at 8:08 am

      John 15:18 “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.

  25. Emmanuel on February 16, 2021 at 1:10 pm

    i think the best thing to do is to always say the truth whether you practice it or not, that does not make you a hypocrite it makes you human. Life is not all about your happiness, it’s about hope.

    • Ken Webster on March 13, 2021 at 3:49 am

      Looks like I can only reply to a specific comment. But I don’t want to do that, I just want a make some comments of my so please don’t assume this is aimed at anyone in particular, it isn’t.

      Firstly I just want to say that on the topic of evangelism, the new testaments describes that as a spiritual gift. As in Philip the evangelist. These are the people who should be going out as the spirit directs and evangelizing, but not everyone has every gift, so not everyone should be doing this. Fore the rest of us, scripture says we should be ready to defend our faith, ie if someone asks or accuses we need to be prepared beforehand to give a reason for our faith. Does the bible instruct us all to go out and accost random people as the go about their business? I think not, but if someone asks, it’s reasonable to give an account for what we believe.

      My 2nd point here is that we need to keep a perspective on the relative importance of things. There is a lot of reaction from the community on the subject of homosexuality. This is a sector that feels particularly singled out and targeted over the issue of sin. Well, what does the bible say is the most important?

      The Greatest Commandment from Matthew22
      34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

      37Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ c 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ d 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

      Homosexuality is not specifically mentioned, What is mentioned is our heart attitude toward God.
      Maybe it’s implied though so what about the law of Moses? The foundational commandments? Well, it’s not mentioned there either. So don’t get me wrong on this, same sex acts are prohibited elsewhere, but that are not mentioned in the foundational sins. So, I am suggesting that we just try to keep these things in perspective. How about adultery and fornication for example. Lots of people accept premarital sex or marriage after diverse while the 1st partner still lives. Why are we getting so fired up about a sin that isn’t mentioned in the key laws but accepting as normal sins that are key laws?

      Now I have made my point and I think it’s a fair one. I don’t care if you disagree, I won’t even bother reading the comments. But if you feel compelled to straighten out your churches, and cleanse them of this hypocrisy, you may then have earned a right to speak on that other topic but I sure hope you learn to speak with understanding & compassion towards people who believe they have no option but to sin.

      • Dj on March 15, 2021 at 6:52 pm

        What a doosh

        • Someone on March 31, 2021 at 4:20 am

          Its spelled “douch”. If you want to hate on someone, at least do it right. If you can’t just don’t hate. Seriously people.

          • Lily on May 16, 2021 at 9:24 pm

            It’s actually spelled “douche”. 😂 Ya’ll are killing me right now.



      • Aaron Siegrist on March 18, 2021 at 1:13 pm

        Romans 1:26-28 defines homosexuality and the consequences. You’re free to choose any life style you wish
        to live. But there are penalties and consequences that with choices here in this world and throughout eternity.
        You can change churches, but as for the truth it never changes.

        • Tristan Z. Haze on May 11, 2021 at 6:07 pm

          This is why people detest Christians. In that statement you use a biblical reference to both judge someone for a choice they were never given, then absolve yourself of guilt for the same judgement by referring to it as a “truth”, implying that you’re just repeating something that everyone knows or should know. In case you don’t know, homosexuality is something you are born with and is natural & beautiful, like white or brown skin, curly hair or straight hair, blue or brown eyes. Roughly 10% of the population has always been homosexual everywhere on earth, no matter their religion. Did you choose to be heterosexual? Was there a multiple choice form when you were in utero or when you were growing up, starting to notice girls? Do you actually believe that being homosexual is a harmful self-indulgent vice that you’ve just chosen not to do, like doing drugs, gambling or smoking? Do you have any idea how hurtful this is to someone trying to figure their sexuality out? Do you actually know anyone who is a member of the LGBTQ community, heard the story of how they figured out they were gay, then agonized about how to tell their family (especially if their family is devoutly christian)? Somehow, I doubt it because they wouldn’t put up with this self-righteous bullshit for 5 minutes.

          This is why I walked away from church when I was 13. A bunch of people smugly judging others for the way they were born and what they choose to believe, then using the bible as an excuse and basically saying “Don’t kill the messenger”. You disgust me. I’m sure there are good, loving christians out there somewhere out there but you’re not one of them.

          • Ed on June 22, 2021 at 2:13 pm

            Well said, Tristan.



      • Brian Schwerin on April 3, 2021 at 9:23 pm

        I like your opinions. As I have heard many Christians speak evil about such matters as these. But evil does not cure evil. As many cling to the old laws as if homosexuality is worthy of judgement and other things that pertain to the old laws. But this is wrong thinking. As since Jesus came much was changed. For the Pharisees were then and now the synogogue of Satan. They were in the days of Moses to be a nation of priests. But they failed and turned on God many times over. Why the Temple and word of God is now in our hearts not a building or book.
        Jesus came to set a new path for the Jews failed and were handed over to thier oppressors of who they still serve today. Rome. They never came back to God for they still deny Christ which is the truth the life and the way.
        Today thier are only Christians and lost people. Everyother religion is the synogogue of satan. Satans workings.
        But we should not judge anyone or race or religion for we were all lost once and even Paul was a murderer. Yet was forgiven.
        Everything is sin and everyone a sinner so how can we judge others as if perfect for only God is perfect. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
        Jesus changed the path setting those who believe in him and follow in his ways free of this world. For we now know this world is all sin. To no longer judge nor harm others to make a nation for say the way we want it. But to not fear for all must come to pass.
        We all have our own journey. Some only find the truth and God when they fall enough times. While some never do till the day comes when all will bow to Jesus for the evil of hell and wrath of God they see before them.
        I know a man calling himself Christian who is full of hate and blames God for everything in this world. He blamed God for the Vietnam war that he joined into. Yet if he was truly Christian he’d had known not to war as the world does. As if God was the one invading nations with guns. No that was man and the devil. He believes more bloodshed with the help of militiaswill save the USA from the nwo. But he already took the vaccine showing he has no faith in God. He is apart of this world now.
        Every nation in history that puts thier faith in man and or goverments and militaries to save them thinking God has no power to help them has been handed over to thier oppressors. That day has come and all will now serve the beast system. Though few of us will fall by the hands of men as did the apostles for we will stick with God till the end. I will never willingly take the mark nor mask.
        When a world turns its back on God what did they think was going to happen. Today majority have shown the will give up on faith to please this world. As masks have shown and many are willingly taking the mark as said would come to be. For its a strong delusion. But we were told to be in the world not apart of it. A mask is 100% apart of it. Fear over faith is whatit is. Many fear having to change as this world is dependant on goverments and big corporations to survive.
        Back to the topic. To preach to those who don’t want to hear it is wrong. As its only to make the preacher feel special to get noticed for his own pride. As said its better to pray in your closet than to do it for recognition. As when I was still lost I hated people praying at resturants around many that didn’t care for religion. It only pushed me further from Christ. As they make themselves arrogant like they’re better than you cause they pray in public. Which is rude more than holy. Paul preached to those with ears to hear and eyes to see. He didn’t just preach in places where people weren’t looking for or searching for answers. If someone is on the path they will search for the truth themselves. You can’t force feed faith. It is only learned when a heart is ready for it. Then and only then will a person hear. For if against God it will only make a non believer more hateful.
        We should show love to all. For this is the only way to set them free. If we set an example of love tgen others may learn from it seeing how good a true Christian is. Not to preach verses but to live by them and if asked an opinion then we can use scripture to prove how perfect Jesus was and how right he is. For his way is the only way. But to prove this isn’t done through words alone but through our actions. Unlike those who call themselves Christians yet only donate to thier church/preach. Not to the family around the corner about to lose thier home. As they drive around in a brand new $70000 truck head held high like look at me God loves me see my new truck! When they would do just fine in life with a $20000 for say truck and bought a poor family a home for $50000. Charity is the most righteous thing a person can do.
        I myself talk to and hangout with many lost souls. As I was once one of them. They see the change in me but I don’t boast or brag of it as if look at me I’m now better than you! But I show love and give hope. As in by showing my love rsther than preaching it. If in time one asks a question I will be ready to speak the truth of God as needed. But not lecture on for hours just to push them away. But to plant seeds bit by bit in hopes that God may rest on them to open thier hearts and eyes to the truth of this world. As I tried with that guy who blamed God for everything. I used verses n scripture to prove my points as he said he was a Christian. But he is totally backwards. I love him and prayed for him but he wanted to hit me. I said after much debating how to me it sounds like you hate God. For all ge did was hate on God. Then he stormed off. I was peacefully and living while he yelled calling names and pointing fingers the whole time. Was insanity truly. The beast has him twisted. A heart of stone.
        Though I’d never debate in such a way with a non believer. As again they are lost. He was blind. Only praying can help such a man. But love can help the lost find the path. Many calling themselves Christians are far from the path and if you try to show them thier wrongs. Not by judging but through examples of life and the word of God its like thier ears are closed. They don’t want the truth for thier pride is more important to them. A non believer isn’t standing on pride but confusion. For the world has lead them astray. As it has us all at one time or another. But those who think they know all as fake Christians do they don’t seem to want to change. They are like children who think they know all and won’t listen having closed minds. The luke warms. But we are to enter heaven as children for nobody knows all.
        A non believer is more a child willing to learn than a luke warm. Not saying I know all either. But discernment has been set on my heart. As once I woke to a few truth of the evils and lies of this world in my godless days. I found God to be true when I started searching for him. It was not preached to me but through facts of life did I want to see. For before this time I’d get mad at people that tried to preach to me. Even told a few off in my day.
        What brough me to God what made me search for answers was research into the Mason’s. Then I found how they were literally lucifarians. No secret and found true with minimal research. Then came NASA as I found them all to be Mason’s. No secret. Its in plain sight. At this point in no longer trusted in man as the whole world is controlled by Mason’s. Every goverment and all msm. I then found the earth to be flat. Which is 100% been proven. That which made us such a godless scifi world was globe earth. It made the Bible and God liars. Why there is a globe in every kindergarten class and why msm those that love to use the Lords name in vain in every movie makes so…many sci-fi globe earth “space” movies. To get the world under thier thumb. For when we don’t believe in God’s creation or truthswe turn away from God. As this is what in my youth turn from God for he never talks about little green aliens or other “planets”. Then I started talking good about Jesus online even when in my mind I still had doubts of God. But the truth of his works of creation being clearer set me on the path for it made Gods words true. Which made me look into Jesus and I found him as I said to others even if not really the messiah back then that he was a great man and he did no wrong. Real or not his ways were the best ways for all humanity to live. Then not ling after in Sept 2017 God gave me the sign I always wamted but was never worthy of in the heavens. That night in Sept 2017 on a Saturday I was watching movies. Out of the corner of my eye I seen movement. I seen lights coming over the horizon out my window. At first I thought nothing of it. Think oh…its just planes or a helicopter. Then minutes later I seen a bunch more lights coming my way over the tree tops. So I paused the movie and went to the window to investigate. As I watched out the window I seen bunches of stars coming towards my home. Think wtheck! Invasion from another nation? A military operation? Maybe. But I then realised they were all stopping just above me. Then I was really worried. So I went outside to take a look at what was going on. As I looked up I seen every star from every horizon coming directly above my home stopping at one brighter star in the center. So I ran inside in shock. Thinking again. Wtheck is going on here. But I feared for my dog as he was outside and for myself. So figured I’d run out and get him so we could fight together if something landed. As I went out to get my dog off the chain I looked up again to see if it was really what I saw last time. Looking up in fear. Almost didn’t want too. Lol but I looked up and there were hundreds of stars all around me in a tight area around the brightest center star. As I watched I seen them all start to move around tge center star which started to spiral and with medium bright stars in the mix of hundreds of less bright stars the medium bright stars formed a cross with the brightest center star in the middle still spiralling. At that moment my heart of stone was literally turned to flesh. My whole life changed since that day. I live for God now for I am his creation. I owe him everything. I have been a sober minded person since. No coffee not strong drink and so on. My love after that night for all humanity is beyond words. I hate the world but love every soul. As never before have I felt such love. I fear only God. As I was in shock for months. God changed everything about me. But only did this happen when I searchedd for truth. In all my years of anger and partying never did God show himself or powers to me when I asked for signs till he felt I was ready that day. Though in much more writing I could explain how God was always there but to keep it short I was just to blind to see it. Till I truly looked in my heart for God did he finally show me.
        Now in 2021 this January God revealed to me in a dream what was to come to those marked when Jesus returns. The first day in the dream Jesus was in a parking lot healing people with green faces. I believe removing thier mark of the beast vaccines. So I went up to talk to him. We talked and he kept healing people. Then held my hand laying me down to sleep in the dream. In the same drwam the second day I was telling people about Jesus and where he was. But when we got there he was nowhere to be found. Then in a building window nearby I seen him shouting in a room through a window with lightening everywhere in the room. So I scaled the building trying to break the window to get in to help him. Then once broken he disappeared and the lightening in the room spread through the entire sky as I watched people turning to dust with lightening bolts. Many ran indoors where then the beasst of the pit were unleashed. I seen little monsters with stingers like vampire hairless gremlins eating people as many ran around looking for weapons to fight them with. Bit of time after they were gone and then I seen what looked to be hell hounds. They looked similiar to the beast in the movie mimic but red and meaner. Watched again as many fell to these beasts as again many looked for weapins to fight them off. That wasthe end of the dream. More vivid than any dream I ever had in my 40years of life.
        The next night I had another dream of hell itself. It was also very detailed but how to explain it in words is beyond me. All I can say is it was the most horrifying thing I ever seen. Was a plave with many doors. Each room was a different horror and I couldn’t find a door that lead out of it. I woke in the middle of the night sweating and trembling. I prayed and clinged to my Bible. I never wake in the middle of the nights. Never in all my life. Am a heavy sleeper. But I tell you now. Repent repent repent! Fear God’s wrath. Btw have been fine since. No more dreams of such. As usual I now wake up after a long night sleep without much if any memory of what I dream of. Why I know this is a warning from God.
        In short don’t take the mark! Better to fall at the hands of men than be here for what awaits those marked. Though a few will be cured by Jesus but not all till they learn the hard way.
        K thanks for reading God bless you all. 🙂

        • Nisha on April 17, 2021 at 3:29 am

          4. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

          ‘Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God’
          1 Corinthians 6:9-10

      • Jewel Dombroff on April 9, 2021 at 4:29 am

        OK this is great but since everyone is on a roll lets be honest and give up the in jesus name calling, because to really get the clearer message out you will have to. That being said by any means or medium if it gets same great results for the greater good .

    • Nisha on April 17, 2021 at 3:25 am

      young and old, who were at the door of the house, so they gave up trying to get inside.
      Leviticus 18:22
      “Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin.” (NLT)
      Leviticus 20:13
      “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a

  26. had more than enough on January 31, 2021 at 9:53 am

    Oh, no, it’s super easy, saying what the biggest problem is. It’s that you evangelize and don’t know how to share the world with non-Christians. All you want to share is *your* world — and if people don’t want it, then you try to impose it. It’s incredibly selfish and aggressive, and not infrequently violent. Most recently a few weeks ago.

    Unfortunately, you’ve baked an evangelism mandate into your religion, so the best the rest of us can do is avoid you the minute you start in, and keep using the Constitution to scrape off the theocracy your more pernicious leaders keep trying to install.

    • Kathy Laws on February 4, 2021 at 10:04 am

      This is a good start on an important topic, but it skirts around the core source of why Christians are despised: the faith versus deeds dilemma. In the real world, many Christians think and act as if this gives them license to commit as many bad deeds as they want, without any spiritual ramification.

      • had more than enough on February 7, 2021 at 9:31 am

        No, not at all. Every religion and none has massive hypocrites. That’s just humanity. But Christians, in the West, are uniquely aggressive, relentless, and destructive about recruiting. I’ve never been approached by a Muslim wanting to convert me, or a Hindi. Jews don’t even want you to come near them, they’re fine on their own. None of them are in your face trying to get you to come to their church. They don’t show up on your doorstep with literature or tell you’re going to their hell if you don’t believe. They don’t upend your politics if the entire world doesn’t suit their personal beliefs. Only Christians do that *while insisting they’re the persecuted ones*, which is nuts.

        Be as hypocritical as you want, but leave other people alone while you do it, and you’ll be amazed at how fast the world’s opinion of you will improve.

        • ImTooTiredToCare on February 14, 2021 at 2:10 pm

          Because in Christianity you have to try to convert them or that’s their blood on your hands. Ezekiel 3:18 ESV /

          If I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, in order to save his life, that wicked person shall die for his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand.

          • Terry on February 14, 2021 at 6:23 pm

            ImTooTired…I don’t know if this is your understanding of Christian belief as a non-Christian, or your own personal belief (and you may not care :)), but no, not really…It is certainly our responsibility to tell the gospel to others, but we are not responsible for their acceptance or rejection of it. The next verse reads, “Yet if you have warned the wicked, and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered yourself.” There is a similar passage in Chapter 33.

            As to whether it is our fault that people go to hell, most believe that these words were given specifically to Ezekiel, during the time that Israel was under the law. We are under Grace now, and neither Jesus nor the apostles stated or implied that anyone’s neglect in sharing the gospel would directly result in a person’s going to hell or that it is any one person’s fault that another is in hell. God is bigger than our shortcomings and failures, and while we are urged to obey the Great Commission each person has the witness of the earth itself that God exists, if not the message of the gospel itself. However God’s warning to Ezekiel serves as a reminder to us of our potential roles in saving others from hell, as Jude alludes to in his exhortation to “save others, snatching them out of the fire.”



          • had more than enough on February 17, 2021 at 8:21 pm

            That’s your problem. People have wanted no part of your “obligation” for 2000 years, and remarkably often you guys decide that force is best for making your message — which, I repeat, nobody else wants — stick.

            That’s why people don’t want you around.

            Maybe consider that someone in your religion got it wrong, and that bothering, harassing, bullying, theocraticizing, and killing people because you want them to embrace your religion is a terrible idea. It makes Christianity the murder hornet of religions when it could’ve been something perfectly nice and benign.



          • Terry on February 17, 2021 at 8:42 pm

            HadMoreThanEnough…then why not embrace the “perfectly nice and benign” and not worry about the hypocrites? You are not responsible for others’ misapplication of Christianity, nor will this be a valid excuse when we are all called to account. However I will point out that some – many, in fact – DO want it, as evidenced by the fact that “it” is still here. A faith with no followers is a dead faith.



          • had more than enough on February 21, 2021 at 4:43 am

            For Terry – thank you for demoing the problem s beautifully. Someone says omg stop, we don’t want it, go away, stop forcing yourselves on people, and all you can say is “have more of it and certainly you want it.”

            If you can’t see what you’re doing here, then please stay away from women, too.



          • Terry on February 21, 2021 at 7:11 pm

            HadMoreThanEnough, even being a woman myself I would hardly equate the sharing of the gospel (which is one of Christ’s commandments and not optional, btw) to a man’s unwanted advances. Otherwise I respect your right to reject the gospel (or any faith), and forcing belief on anyone is not my intent or message even if it were possible, but simply to make a point about taking what you acknowledge to be good and leaving the rest.



          • had more than enough on February 24, 2021 at 10:42 am

            Sorry, this is for Terry. Terry, you just can’t resist that least little opening for forcing your views on people, can you. I said there are things about Christianity that could be very nice if you stopped your aggressive behavior. There are all kinds of nice things in the world that are other people’s and that in fact I don’t want, though it’s nice that people have them. But you really can’t resist. Not only do you come out as a homophobe, you want to shove whatever bits of your religion that I’ve said could be nice on me. Let me clarify:

            STOP SHOVING YOUR RELIGION AT PEOPLE. It’s what makes them want to run away from you. If your religion, conveniently for your religion and no one else, says “go convert them”, that is *your* problem, not ours. If you can’t work out the conundrum and refrain from shoving your religion on people, but want to be a decent person and neighbor, seek psychiatric help for prying loose from the grip of a cult that’s got you behaving this way.



          • Terry on February 24, 2021 at 11:20 am

            For HadMore…actually I could resist, Dearest, but this would leave necessary things unsaid. If a forum like this is not the place for thinking people to have reasoned discussions…what is? Dialogue is not served by shutting it down. But by telling me to stop sharing (not shoving) what I believe, you are in effect claiming that you can express your beliefs (or your desire not to believe) while I and others here cannot. My intent is not to offend, but IF I am to offend people it may as well be over Truth rather than anything else. I realize that the message of Jesus coming to save sinners is offensive however humbly offered, and I accept this. But if you prefer not to engage in discussion on the merits (or lack thereof) of Christianity, I would ask why you are still here – ?



          • Paola on April 2, 2021 at 6:28 pm

            You are literally forcing religion on someone. Thanks for sugarcoating it.



        • Jeff on February 18, 2021 at 1:00 am

          Hello there, I just wanted to tell you a bit of what kind of hypocritic I was. I’ve been a back sliden Christian for about 4years. I’ve been a lying, cheating, cussing, drinking, smoking scum for about 4years or more. After my heart attack I kinda woke up, still had to Carry on with of my bad actions. My brother paid me a visits one day and asked if I’ve ever listened to Ravi Zacharias I said yes just to keep him from rambling on about Christian stuff. I did not want that to interfere with me getting hi so I walked out on him! Went to my truck and smoked a joint. Never dawned on me till a few days how I treated my brother who was only looking out for me. Still waiting for a call to go to work when my brother in law asked me to come help him for a bit on odd jobs out of province. I said sure. I’ve lost everything else so why not? I stayed with them not knowing that I wouldn’t be able to use my vises. It was different and uncomfortable but I abstained from my dope, drinking my language abuse and my pornography. Three weeks later I went home for four days. I learned how to fall on my knees and ask forgiveness for the fool I was. I spent three months there. We picked wild edible table mushrooms for $5/lbs.fixed horse fences, cut wood for winter heat. I even caught a ten pound Jack. The thing I want to say is I’ve been a fool. I’m so sorry for the people I hurt. I now have the Holy Spirit living inside me. I now know what it’s like to be real. I do visit my neighbor and the sick and give where I can make a difference. Anyway I wanted everyone to know that I remember where I’ve been, and now I cherish every moment of my life thanks to my King Jesus 😊 I’m not better than anyone and try to listen more and judge less . Thanks for showing my faults. I have learned something this moment and will share these views with other believers!

          • vince on February 18, 2021 at 11:28 am

            Yes, Jesus is only good not bad. People are bad…all of us, and need God to help us. That is why Jesus came to Earth among other reasons. If we let our foolish pride get in the way we are doomed. Jesus said he was the way, the truth, and the life and no man gets to the Father but by him. He was much more than a man, he was God in the flesh. Sounds crazy to people who refuse to believe it. Life is very very short so we should use our time here wisely…..



          • vince on February 25, 2021 at 10:34 am

            Jesus and the Bible will be offensive to many because it convicts people of their sin and they do not like that. Others realize their need for a savior and are drawn to Jesus. You have a choice in how you react to Christians, Jesus, and the Bible…we all have the same choice. Truth is truth regardless of your reaction. There are forces at work much much bigger than we are…supernatural. Life is very short…then eternal life or eternal death. None of this is forced but there for your evaluation. You choose to walk away, or choose to believe. The evidence is there…more than enough, for anyone to discover. I hope all people take this as a matter of life or death because that is what this is all about…….



          • Nikki on March 13, 2021 at 8:25 pm

            Thank you for sharing your testimony of Jesus! 🙌 The message of the cross is foolish to those who are perishing but to those who are being saved it is the power of God unto salvation . Amen!



          • vince on April 2, 2021 at 7:14 pm

            Christianity should never be forced on anyone and Jesus never said to force it. We are supposed to “share” the good news in our own way but never force it. Jesus never forced himself on anyone so we should not either. Jesus is who he is….you choose to believe or not to believe based on the evidence you have in front of you…..



          • angie braveheart on April 13, 2021 at 4:11 am

            thanx for your lovely testimony yes i was a drug addict and found Christ when i hit rock bottom. the thing im kinda bothered by tho within particularly in alot of believers is that they dont go the extra mile as Jesus did ie; dont call a christian in the middle of the night cos your having a panic attack or dont bend down and pray for the young teen on the sidewalk vomitting alcohol or dont welcome and realy treat one another as family to the person who lives alone etc etc and this is realy getting me down a fair bit. Jesus never turned anyone away tho He got little sleep Jesus wud always have concern for that drunk or drugged person and show care by a loving touch on the shoulder and help that person to clean himself up and not leave him laying there in his vommit as people walk by cringeing Jesus and the disciples were like family going from house to house eating and fellowshipping i find that that the church thing for me has been quite disillusioning. they sing about wanting Jesus to use them etc but still they stay in their little hubs cups of tea and cake and thats it. i myself struggle with mental illness and have been told that im not allowed to contact the pastor or leadership after 9pm. so in other words sorry church is shut then we need our precious sleep u are a bother if u need help phone the national mental health help line. funny thing is its made me a stronger christian as i know i can not rely on people i can only rely on my God to get me thru. blessings to u all from new zealand x



        • ACriticathinker on March 1, 2021 at 8:36 am

          In response to Terry and had more than enough discussion.

          Terry I think one of the points that had more than enough is trying to make is that sharing your faith is not wrong, but how you share your faith is were Christian have a hard time.
          Ways Christians share thier faith that’s that makes them especially hated

          Examples in online dating:

          A bio for a Christian on a dating site,
          I’m only interested in men/ women that a go to church regularly and Jesus is number one in there life. Don’t bother if you are want something else

          While this information is not judgmental, the way it is communicated is very judgmental. It can be terribley off putting to potential mates because now that person has to pass your judgment standard with out even getting to know them. ( many Christian will say, well I’m not looking for sinners/pegans but the fact you are starting out a possible relationship with this judgmentalism, people that are not exactly like you will stay far away)

          A better way of sharing the same information without being judgmental would be to say:

          My faith in Jesus is very important to me, I regularly attend church, so if you’re not into that you should probably look else where. Look forward to meeting you

          Both examples communicate the same information with second allow the option for dialogue with out judgmental, with second scaring away potential relationship (romantically and friendships)

          Another example:
          Expressing to some else that you disagree with something due to your faith:

          “Insert Scripture ” hey you man, you know continuing to have fowl language like you do will lead you down satans path. (Hell) “insert Scripture” I don’t know if we can continue being in relationship is your going to do that. “Insert Scripture ”

          This is extremely judgmental and is the kind of “sharing of your faith” that will get people posted/ annoyed, dismissive etc. When you talk like this you come across as insecure in your own belief system, so much so that it so fragile you can’t be on relationship with something who believe differently than you.

          A better way of sharing the same information without being judgmental.

          Hey man I notice you curse alot, did you grow up around cursing? Listen to the person story!!!!!!! > When the opertunity presents its self organically something like> I was raised and value my faith and religion. In my religion we believe in laws and proverbs given directly by God or through his priest/disciples/believers (as written in our Bible) we believe these scripture teach for example principles that console that harsh and vulgar language corrupt good manners, as well as in some case be considered sacrilegious.

          In this example you are sharing your faith without being judgemental, and are in fact having a conversation were you mutually learn about a person.

          For some reason, the majority of Christian all to often forget that you are supposed to be “sharing your faith”, not trying to convince someone that your belief systems better or that their beliefs are secreilgous. All to often Christian are overly aggressive, and to focused on changing people making them closed minded and difficult to be around let alone have a normal conversation. In conversation christian fall into talking points all to often as if what they are saying is not common knowledge (there’s a reason why people making fun of Christian can be so accurate), instead of letting relationship build organically. Most of the time Christian are to impatient because they want to change people or be skat of someone elese amazing testimony.
          It’s selfish and alot of times fueled by egotism and naracism.

          What makes it worst is these same people contradict themselves and disagree with eachother to the point that they’re literally hundreds of denomination that believe “they” have the best interpretation of the Bible.

          Add: in televangelist (many who grift their congregation, and live it up in multi million houses) and super church culture that’s more often than not is more about the social entertainment than anything Jesus teaches in the Bible.

          Add: Christianity Historical propensity for killing/raping/ and destroying other religions/culture in the name of evangelism. (native Americans ,lgbt, African slaves,etc)

          I’m ranting at this point, but the bottom line is clearly spelled out in the original article. Most people do not despises your God, in fact they may actually enjoy talking to you about God, judgmentalism is so ingrained in so many Christian that they are just not even fun to be around let alot have a healthy conversations about belief systens.

          • Terry on March 5, 2021 at 9:41 am

            Hello CriticalThinker…I agree that many Christians could use more grace and less arrogance when presenting their faith, either in person or online; and as with all topics in social media it’s much easier to be rude from behind the blanket of near-anonymity than in a face-to-face conversation. It’s also the rude comments that stick more in the memory than the friendly ones, unfortunately, even if the first kind is in the minority. I myself actually prefer to avoid confrontation and would rather have discussions on forums such as this one, where everyone can put some thought into his words before posting and “speak” without being interrupted. Still, it can be more difficult to convey empathy and compassion from opposite sides of the internet as inserting inflection and facial expressions is not possible (except for emojis which are still limited). In the case of my recent discussion with HadMoreThanEnough, I was hoping simply to inquire which parts of Christianity she(?) found to be beneficial, as it seemed that her dislike of Christians was more rooted in the people themselves than the actual theology – which as you point out is the whole focus of this article. It is unfortunate that supposed followers of Christ would themselves be a stumbling block to the gospel, and I would wish that the only offense we give is in the truth of the gospel itself and not in the way we present it or live it out (or not).

            From the Christian side of things it seems that for every person who is tired of having the gospel “pushed” on him/her, there is also someone who had never heard the message (despite having grown up in the U.S. and even going to church) and wonders why nobody had ever told him before. And in our own defense it seems ironic(?) that a major criticism of Christianity is that people are sent to hell who never even heard of Jesus in their part of the world – which seems unfair – yet we are also criticized for taking the message of the gospel to other nations, and especially to isolated people-groups. And despite the appearance of forced conversions in the context of crusades, inquisitions, conquest and the like, this has never been how it works and I believe that those who have presented Christ in this way have been and will be judged. But even with all the hypocrisy, division and misapplication over the past 2,000 years, I believe that each person will be held responsible for his own response to Christ, as the rest is just smoke and mirrors and this is the only question that will ultimately matter. Positive emojis!



          • C. R. on March 13, 2021 at 12:24 am

            They will know you by your works, and hate you by your loud public preaching on the street corner. Do the work inside yourself, and let others come to God through their own yearning. Lord knows, the job of opening to God within ourselves is a lifelong, extremely challenging and difficult process that is never completed. You cannot take on that work for someone else, but you sure can destroy or obscure their yearning for God that you must trust is inside them. To shove your beliefs and pathway to God onto someone else is to fail to have faith and trust in God that only God knows what is in the heart and soul of another.



        • Kate on March 8, 2021 at 4:14 pm

          Jesus last command before he ascended into Heaven was to share his story with others..that’s why because most of us care that others are heading to judgement without the forgiveness of Jesus

        • Nisha on April 17, 2021 at 3:33 am

          Not worried about what the world thinks. If the world loves me then I would not belong to God.

          Jesus says shake the dust off our feet and keep moving if a human being doesn’t want to learn of Gods Kingdom coming.

          It will be the biggest irreversible mistake of life. Hell is real and so is heaven

    • Vince on February 26, 2021 at 11:39 am

      You sound Atheist. So, who created all that is around us? Certainly not you or me. If you don’t want to worship a creator, then tell the creator so when your face to face with the creator. Save your self-righteous teacher mentality for your mirror.

      • Mari on March 11, 2021 at 6:34 pm

        Everything in the universe, including us, came about through completely natural, not metaphysical or mystical/supernatural, processes.
        The physical and chemical structures of all the elements, along with unchanging physical forces, interacted with each other in such a way that we ended up with things as they are.
        There is no “why” to how things ended up the way they are!
        They just did.
        Amazing, huh! 🤗

        • vince on March 12, 2021 at 3:07 am

          Scientists and mathematicians have gone over and over this and agree the odds that organized life could come by accident is impossible. The odds are 10 to the 1000 power against it. Study up…you can never scientifically prove God exists but the evidence is overwhelming he does…take a closer look..

        • Ken on May 9, 2021 at 7:50 am

          Since the universe as well as the elements would both necessarily need to have a beginning, then where did the elements come from since the laws of causation state that everything that exist has a cause for their existence?

        • Tristan Z. Haze on May 24, 2021 at 2:09 pm

          I agree 100%. To piggyback on your point:

          Another example of christian twisting of words to suit their ends:

          “One of Albert Einstein’s most famous quotes is, “God does not play dice with the universe.”

          But there are two huge errors in the way many people have interpreted this quote over the years. People have wrongly assumed Einstein was religious, believed in destiny, or that he completely rejected a core theory in physics.

          First, Einstein wasn’t referring to a personal god in the quote. He was using “God” as a metaphor.

          “Einstein of course believed in mathematical laws of nature, so his idea of a God was at best someone who formulated the laws and then left the universe alone to evolve according to these laws,” physicist Vasant Natarajan wrote in an essay.

          Einstein himself even cleared up the matter in a letter he wrote in 1954:

          I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.

          The second half of the quote — “does not play dice” — is often misunderstood, too. It’s not an affirmation of destiny.

          The phrase refers to one of the most important theories in modern physics: quantum mechanics. It describes the weird behavior of tiny subatomic particles. It’s also the guiding theory that led to critical technologies like nuclear power, MRI machines, and transistors in computer and phones.

          It’s true that Einstein never accepted quantum mechanics, but the reason was much more nuanced than a flat-out rejection of the theory. After all, Einstein won a Nobel Prize in 1921 for describing the photoelectric effect — a phenomenon that led to the development of quantum mechanics.

          The reason for the quote is to express how bizarre quantum mechanics is as a theory. While most of the universe is deterministic and measurable, quantum mechanics says there’s a world of tiny particles behind everything that’s governed by total randomness.

          For example, a major part of quantum theory, called the Heisenberg Uncertainly Principle, says it’s impossible to know both the speed and position of a single particle at the same time. So in quantum mechanics nothing can be certain, and we can only describe things in terms of probabilities.

          Einstein didn’t like this one bit. He believed there must be some underlying laws of nature that could define particles and make it possible to calculate both their speed and position.

          There’s no evidence of the law Einstein hoped for, and all experimental evidence suggests that quantum mechanics is real. So Einstein was probably wrong to reject the idea.

          However, when you try to join quantum mechanics to any other major theory in physics, like Einstein’s general theory of relativity, it doesn’t work. Quantum mechanics may be correct, but it’s a total mystery as to how it fits in with the rest of physics.”

          –Kelly Dickerson , Tech Insider Nov 19, 2015, 3:43 PM

          So I should believe in an absent parent who never calls, never writes, but has my best interests at heart and has a plan for my life — an insignificant life among the billions on this planet and who knows how many others across the cosmos. Does god have a plan for every alien life on all the other populated planets that most likely exist orbiting the millions of stars in our galaxy? The ones that surely have their own religions? Is it the christian mission to convert them too? Should we be building missionary ships to head out to convert them? There’s a huge irony there, in that any ship designed to travel the vast distances between stars would have to rely on the physics of an atheist in order to get there in any kind of a reasonable amount of time.

          Or are humans somehow special — the only ones worthy of saving? This seems awfully arrogant and “speciesist” Funny how exclusion always comes back into play.

          And as far as the probability of life arising on its own, yes it is extremely improbable, but since there are billions of planets in the universe, the only logical answer is that we got lucky, and happen to be on the planet where physics, chemistry and biology all lined up at the same moment in time for life to arise. Improbable, but if there are enough chances, it will eventually happen. Saying “it must have been god because it’s so unlikely” is far too simplistic and ignores reality.

          • Terry on May 24, 2021 at 2:59 pm

            Hi Tristan…you’ve certainly studied Einstein’s work! I can’t speak (write?) to any of your observations there, but I don’t doubt that he said or thought these things. To skip down to your last comments…I don’t think of “god” as an absent parent who never calls or writes (as you might guess) as we have the Bible – which begins at the start of human history – so we can know what He is like and what He expects from us. I don’t know if there are sentient beings on other planets; I personally don’t think so but God could certainly have made these, and if so I don’t think we’re responsible for their “salvation” if they’re even in need of saving. Who knows…Maybe they got things right where we didn’t. And we have more than enough to do and learn in this lifetime without worrying about missionary trips to other planets! But here on earth God didn’t set out to save just us humans. The story of Noah’s ark is more than a metaphor as it shows that God cares about all of His creation, but He had to start with us as we were the ones to screw things up for the rest of life on earth. Remove human evil and extinction, pollution, cruelty, even death itself – all go away.



      • A. Clausen on May 8, 2021 at 10:14 am

        Christianity, the religion of bullying, badgering and cheap threats

        • Tristan Z. Haze on May 24, 2021 at 5:16 pm

          Indeed. Doesn’t matter what christians say to athiests — in the end we’re all just as dead. None of us makes it out alive. None. The kingdom of heaven is a fantasy made up by people who can’t handle this simple truth.

          This is my choice, It’s to go it alone
          Say what you will but my life is my own
          Don’t cry for me don’t say any prayers
          Don’t judge or condemn because I just don’t care

          You live in your way and I’ll live in mine
          Equally un-smiled-on by absent divine
          Equally unjudged when we both meet our end
          The here and now is all we’ll ever have, my friend

          • Russel Mackie on May 24, 2021 at 8:24 pm

            Praying for you!



    • NeikaMcnight on March 12, 2021 at 11:21 pm

      Thank you.🤔👩‍⚕️

    • Samantha on March 29, 2021 at 3:39 pm

      This. I cannot speak with Christians about my own spirituality because they cannot get over the baked in idea that their path is the ONLY TRUE REAL path and mine is inferior. There is no discussion. Only their God’s bestness. Always holier than thou and condescending, suggesting that I’lll eventually get over my little false path and end up on their Jesus path. I fully respect your right to believe your religion. But Christians can’t ever seem to respect the same for others.
      It’s a closed system. I can’t simply have another path. No. I’m DE NYING THE BODY IF CHRIST.
      I can onky deny your belief system from inside of your belief system. From outside of it, I simply have one that is parallel but not the same. Christians will never acknowledge that as equal. Ever. Even though I don’t do the same to them. My beliefs have space for theirs. Theirs do not truly have space for mine.

      • vince on March 29, 2021 at 6:13 pm

        There is no condescention. The Bible says in John 14:6 that “I am the way, the truth , and the life. No one gets to the Father but by me” Jesus is speaking here. This is not from Christians, just what the Bible says and Christians believe the Bible was left for them to believe and live by. It survived thousands of years of persecution and was written by 40 different people with amazing continuity. No other book like it on Earth. So it may be the Bible you have a conflict with as many do. Spend some time researching the Bible and you will see it is far from a waste of time. The most important time you will ever spend.

    • Tristan Z. Haze on May 12, 2021 at 1:04 pm

      Amen, brother. My thoughts exactly.

      Has anyone trying to share the “truth” of god & Jesus ever stop and think:

      It’s incredibly arrogant to tell others that your way is the only way. To call everyone who doesn’t believe as you do “lost”. To call other religions works of evil — that’s just discriminatory, hateful, and definitely not what Jesus would do or teach. I’m sure there are non-christian religious persons who consider christianity the work of evil too. It’s a way to exclude those different than yourself, to make them the out-group to your in-group, the “other”. Every religion has it’s lunatic fringe — we have hard-right christians (domestic terrorists really – lets call it what it is) who blow up abortion clinics. Muslims have similar terrorists who blow up schools where they teach girls to read. There are Jews similarly bent on violently driving Palestinians out of their homes and off their land. There are Theravada buddhists who think that the Rohingya Muslims are like animals – subhuman – and worthy only of extermination. People have been killing each other over beliefs, land and resources since the dawn of humankind. The truly moral (or christ-like in christian terms) thing to do would be to accept other people’s beliefs, let them live in peace and believe what they want to believe, just as christians want to believe what they want. For example, my belief is that all religions are at worst mass delusion & brainwashing or at best fantasy & mythology. I do not, however, as a rule, go around telling people that their beliefs are wrong and that the only way to truly be enlightened is to shed all religion and trust only in verifiable, perceivable science. I know that saying this to religious persons is to insult them and their faith. I’m only saying it here because this is a philosophical discussion where everyone is sharing their ideas of what the truth is, some here judging those who disagree. I don’t make it a habit to try to convert other people to my way of thinking, or judge them vocally for believing something different. It is unwelcome, and probably futile. I am hardened in my philosophy and am not likely to change, as I assume most christians are as well and I accept that.

      Look at history. Every time christian missionaries went somewhere new, they immediately set about trying to convince those of other religions that they would not be saved unless they accepted the christian god and discarded their traditional belief. The bible has this mandate written clearly into it, in the first three of its most important set of rules:

      1. Thou shalt not have any other strange gods before me.
      2: You shall not make for yourself a carved image.
      3: You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.

      The subtext here is:

      1. All other religions are invalid (they are the “other”)
      2. Don’t worship any statues (anyone with statues of other gods is “other”)
      3 Don’t insult the your god (your god is the best god and anyone who insults it is “other”)

      These rules have been used countless times to justify persecution of non-christians, not unlike how the Romans persecuted the christians themselves for not believing in their pantheon of gods. Think of colonial missionaries in Asia, Africa, the Americas. Think of the Crusades. Christians even persecuted each other because they thought the “other” worshiped in the wrong way – think of protestants vs. catholics in Ireland/Northern Ireland. Think of the puritans and other groups who left europe for America because they were being persecuted due to their beliefs. A lot of them died in terrible conditions on ships and in the first colonies. It was bad enough that that was an acceptable alternative. Then what happened? They started trying to convert the native Americans All this pain, suffering and death caused by christians’ belief in their exceptionalism.

      In short, for the sake of peace & harmony I think (once again, only my opinion) it’s best to let people believe what they choose, and keep one’s religion to oneself. Christians call it a personal relationship with god. I call it my personal relationship with facts and science, the interconnectedness of all life on this planet. It ought to be kept personal.

  27. Richard on January 23, 2021 at 1:20 am

    (John 15:19)
    “If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you”
    This is the simple reality and it is this simple!
    There is a big difference between true Christians and those who think they are Christians or just religious. Just like worldly people, there is a big difference and much conflict and division in the world as well. Satan is busy in the church, just as he is busy in the world. So at the end of the day it is Satan and the worldly realm that sucks and not God. Don’t worry what man or the world says as they cannot change the truth of God. Make sure you are on Gods side and live in eternal life, love and peace. By reading many of the comments I see there is definitely no love and peace in this world, but just confusion, deception, anger and bitterness.

    • Letitia Pedersen on February 2, 2021 at 12:52 am

      Thank you 🤗!

    • vince on February 18, 2021 at 11:32 am

      YES….Jesus removes all confusion. Your eyes will be opened, and you will see very clearly when you believe in him. He loves us all and only works for our good though it may be hard to understand at times. Life is short…look to Jesus with an open mind and heart…..

    • Kary on February 21, 2021 at 12:20 am

      Yes Amen. Christian’s are not perfect . We battle the flesh. This is not an excuse, but reality. I messed up so much and needed Grace to move on as a Christian. God was faithful and the Holy Spirit confirmed that He is still with me as I felt so condemned for my sins.

      At the end of the day the world expects is to be perfect and let’s face it we under a microscope. We have a commission to preach the Gospel. It’s not about being liked or not. It’s about obeying God

    • vince on February 25, 2021 at 10:37 am

      Yes, we are in a spiritual battle while we are here. It is evident daily. With Jesus you can win this on going battle

  28. The Raven And The Wolf on January 21, 2021 at 1:52 pm

    Hmm where to even begin.. ok.
    First off, I consider myself to be agnostic/pagan today and I’m in my 50s. I attended christian school for 8 years and with every doubt or question, I was greeted with anger, even referred to as a “satanist” by some other kids, who I referred to as “sheep” (and I still do) First off, if you have the exact same belief system that was taught to you as a child, you are most likely a sheep. Why do I say that? Most muslim kids grow up to be muslim. Hebrew kids, same. Christians, same. Do you suppose it’s just coincidental that the majority end up being exactly as whatever belief system was forced on them as children? And if they grow up and go against those beliefs? Often times, parents will completely remove their own adult offspring from their lives, for DARING to defy the belief system. From my 52 years of experience in life, I now view the church as an evil entity. Why? Well, 1) for the mass murders, raping and pillaging, torturing, etc, they’ve committed over the years against millions of people. I think they should be charged for all those crimes, actually. 2) the church, as an entity is rich beyond belief. Worth Billions of dollars in assets. Tax free, too, how convenient for them.(A money making scheme, yes) 3) let’s not forget the priests who molest children and then are protected by the church as they pay out bribes to the kid’s families so they don’t press charges. By going to church, you support, those who protect child molesters. If your god wants to protect them, I would indeed rather worship the devil,(I don’t believe in a devil either, but the point is made)
    Most christians I’ve met in my years, HAVE NEVER EVEN READ THE BIBLE! LOL The biggest joke of it all. (I’ve read it, cover to cover) But who cares, let’s just head off to sunday church so we can feel all warm and fuzzy about life. lol No thanks.
    Let’s mention the “good book” shall we?
    “Deuteronomy 13: 6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death”
    Don’t tell me the bible is “open to interpretation” lol I love that one. You are referring to the LITERAL word of god. If you were a god, would you want a bunch of talking monkeys “interpreting” your exact words that you’ve told them? Go right ahead, interpret all you want. If anything, the bible was more likely written by your own “satan”, since he IS the lord of lies, and look, the bible has caused greater death(millions) and greater suffering than any other book ever written. Good job, Lucy! I guess he really fooled you, huh?
    Christians are ignorant of the most basic facts of history. One older man said to me as he looked upon easter decorations in disgust. “I dont know why all these people put out those stupid rabbits and eggs, it’s supposed to be about JESUS” And I said to him. “No, it isn’t. Easter is the celebration of the fertility goddess called ESHTAR(Ishtar) which was a sacred day long before your jesus was ever invented. Since rabbits and eggs are symbols of fertility, they are still used in the celebration of Easter” He just stared at me blankly. Another ignorant sheep. Let me guess? His mommy and daddy taught him everything he knows and he just accepted it, like most others? lol
    Do Christians know that the reason for Santa Claus was to appease the Norse pagans when they converted them to christians? Santa is the God of Thunder, Thor. Same red cloak and outfit, same beard and hair, comes down the chimney without being harmed(Thor is of the element of fire, his eyes are said to burn with fire) Thor had a chariot pulled by goats, Santa has a sled pulled by reindeer, they both live at the north pole, Sant has elves, Thor has dwarves. Even Santa’s reindeer, donner and blitzen? Those names MEAN thunder and lightning. In old German, before he was called Thor, his named was actually Donner. lol Hey christians, you knew all this already, right? The way the old gods and holidays were merged in, when your god was invented? How about the days of the week, christians? Where did they come from? Do you teach you that in sunday school? No? Of course not. Tuesday = Tyr’s Day, (Tyr, the Norse god of war) Wednesday = Wotan’s Day(Wotan = Norse god Odin) Thursday = Thor’s Day(Yes) Friday = Freya’s Day.(Freya = Norse goddess of love) Why did they name all these days after Norse gods? Because they given as concessions when the Norse converted to .. you guessed it. christianity. lol I could go on for hours, because, well, I know a lot on the subject. Am I a history teacher? no. Am I a liberal arts teacher? Hardly. I’m a Norse pagan/agnostic Libertarian who loves guns, fishing, offroad trucks, low taxation, freedom and I have an affinity for Corvids and Wolves. etc. Guess there’s not much of a “niche” for me to fit into. Oh well! At least I am my own man, and my beliefs are MINE, by MY own choice.
    p.s. The bible mentions that god is omnipotent AND humans have “free will to choose”. If you cannot comprehend that those two concepts are mutually exclusive, I’m not really sure what to tell you, but I will attempt to explain it in simple terms. “Omnipotent” literally means he knows EVERYTHING. At the instant the little sperm hit the egg and you began to grow, he would already know EVERY SINGLE detail of your entire life, before you were even born! He would know EXACTLY what choices you were about to make, BEFORE YOU EVER MADE THEM! How could he NOT know?? He’s omnipotent! Maybe most humans simply lack the capacity to comprehend the true meaning of omnipotent, the way they cannot truly comprehend the infinite? I don’t know, I’m not good with people. BUT if your god already knew EVERY tiny choice you would ever make in your tiny little mortal existence, a billion years before the entire earth was even here, how could you possibly have any say in what course your life takes?? HE ALREADY KNOWS! lol He knew whether you would end up in heaven with the angels or in hell hanging out with mister satan. In other words, god made you to be exactly the way you are. Unless you think he makes mistakes? That wouldn’t be very christian of you to think. He is, afterall, omnipotent. Lucifer was an error? God made him that way. He knew all along that his brightest star would fall into darkness. lol Unless god screwed that up, too? I know, I know, it’s all “open to interpretation” etc etc. I know, I’ve heard it all before. You have fun with that.
    -D

    • vince on January 21, 2021 at 3:13 pm

      WOW…It is really not too complicated so I will try to keep it simple in my small amount of intelligence. God if we believe him, is all powerful,all knowing, omnipotent as he has said he is in the inspired book the Holy Bible. He knows all things about all people before they were ever born yes, including who will believe in him. We, however do not know these things. Yes, we all have free will to choose to believe in whatever we want to. We are told in the Bible if we believe it to be true, that we are to seek God with all our heart as if seeking for treasure. God is good it says, and much much more. Will we understand the Bible in it’s entirety? No, we will not and that is not the intention. It is here for us all, smart, and not so smart and it has enough in it for our salvation. We do not have to understand it all. It comes down to simple …..very simple faith that Jesus was here and said many things, (“I am the way, the truth, and the life”) as most historian atheists agree he was here. Now even with this simple information you have the choice to believe or not to believe. It is entirely your choice…just you. We all have the same choice in this matter. No one is judging anyone, we all have the same choice no matter the circumstance. The God of the Bible is real or he is not based on what you read, hear, and see. No decision is a decision so hopefully we will all take this seriously as it is..life changing..take a very close look at this before you have no more time left to do so.

      • had more than enough on February 7, 2021 at 9:45 am

        Sure, I thought that was the point from the start. Reading getting you down? Those rabbis @ing you all the time with textual arguments? Try Jesus! No reading required.

        Pity Gutenberg went to all the trouble, though.

        • Rickie on February 17, 2021 at 11:12 am

          Judgmental and hypocritical..you covered those two in the title..how would you know what others despise..?? I despise nothing, although it is difficult at times…

      • C. R. on March 13, 2021 at 12:39 am

        God made everything. God made good and evil, except that I would argue that nothing is good or evil except that we perceive it to be so, because God made it all! It just is! A mosquito is a mosquito is a mosquito. A mosquito bites me and it hurts, it swells, it stings, it may pass a disease to me so I label the mosquito…bad. But is it? God made the mosquito. If you call the mosquito bad, how do you excuse God in the making of it? I don’t make excuses, the mosquito just is in God’s made existence. Now, what is this God that made everything? This God that made my every cell, my every atom, my every particle of matter and space between within, the question that is deeper than the Bible. There is only one authority higher/deeper than the Bible (for argument’s sake, because I would include all religious and spiritual writing that struggles to know God), and that is the voice of God. If God whispers to me something that is different than what is in the Bible, I intend to listen to God. And for those of you that say, unh unh, that’s Satan speaking, well, then, who made Satan? All that matters is God.

    • Cynthia on January 27, 2021 at 2:58 pm

      Wow, you had a lot to say. Listen, the bible seems to contradict, but really I see two ways of looking at His sovereignty and our free will as not mutually exclusive. God knows all things. I know what omnipotent means. Yes He knows my choices but still they are my choices, made through a series of events. Prayers of others prompted by the Holy Spirit,and God softening my heart and God’s foreknowledge all come into play. In this sense, He chose me first. I made the choice due to God’s love and His opening my mind to see truth. Lots of family prayed for me. That is also part of biblical truths, Paraphrased: The household being saved.I am not a robot, and therefore my mind is impacted by events and I cannot speak to why you feel as you do. Not all that say “Lord Lord ” are saved. The bible teaches that. Therefore your citing all the heinous things done in Christ’s name are not done by Christians. Yet some terrible things are done by Christians, but awful things are done by all people, and Christians SHOULD have repentant hearts daily. That is biblical. Maybe some professed Christians all are not saved as they think. God only knows and if they actually read their bibles, truth will be revealed and a softening of hearts for others will happen with Holy Spirit help. Also, I did become a Christian as a child but did not stay close to
      the faith because it was the faith of my parents which I always fully believed. The real test of my faith came when I went my own way, loving my sin and finally being in bondage from following my own worldly path. One day, when I ended up married to an abuser, I decided to go to a Christian counselor. My years of rebellion had caught up with me and I knew it. When I entered the counselor’s office I heard a voice, strong in my head. “Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you,” As you can recognize from your own bible reading, it is a bible passage, and a promise, given me at 1 pm. When I went home that day, my mother called me from 250 miles away. She told me, while praying for my situation, God gave her a passage for me at 1 pm. It was the same verse. He told her to tell me the time. I knew then, I had my own faith. God has shown up for me ever since. If a Christian is not representing Christ, they are not listening to Him. I pray they hear His voice and follow Him and repent daily. I am just a sinner saved by grace. I do not fully agree with the writer of this article that we are not to point out sin in the bible. I really don’t have a tendency to do this but if asked directly if sodomy is a sin, I would say the bible says so, same as abortion. Truly though, I just don’t tend to engage this way unless directly asked. I DO think love is the answer. I give kindness to any question and really am interested in everyone knowing love and truth. I have a sketchy past and I am grateful for all my lessons including the hard ones. I am not holy, God is. I am just a sensitive person trying to pray for nobody to experience eternity in Hell. I DO believe Hell is a tormenting place with no love and no peace. Since God IS love and peace according to the bible, it makes sense. Please check out “Imagine Heaven” and “The Case for Christ”. You seem very intelligent and well read and since you are still breathing, there is hope for you finding all the answers you may seek.I read the
      entire New Testament and it is my goal to finish the Old Testament. I love the Bible. I love God and I have many many miracles that cannot be explained by man. You should never come to faith because of others(only God saves), you need to ask God to reveal Himself and if you are sincere in that BIG ask of God, I believe He will. My question to you is, if He does, will you be willing to give your life to Him? I sure believe you would be a great asset to the faith and you can call people out for using His name for gain. Remember, we are just people. We did not make the universe and I believe with all my heart, the severe intelligence in creation cannot be denied. Peace and I pray you find answers that will satisfy your soul.

    • had more than enough on February 8, 2021 at 10:12 am

      You’re a white supremacist, is what you are. You’re reciting the whole WS catechism there. You aren’t a pure anything, your DNA is almost identical to a chimp’s, and you need to find different friends online.

    • Ray on February 21, 2021 at 6:00 am

      Hello Mr. Or Mrs. The Raven and the Wolf,
      How are you? I hope you are doing well.
      Say, thank you for sharing all of your interesting tidbits on the history of certain celebrations carried out by people. Thank you, it was interesting.

      With all of your knowledge about such things, does it help, improve, your life, make it more meaningful and enjoyable?

      Say, do you think there is an afterlife? What do you think happens when you die? Where are you going? Why are you going there? Do you know? What are your thoughts?

      Easter eggs, celebration, usually means food is involved, I’m in, I need food, something to eat. Easter eggs are ok to eat for me, yum.

      Take are and have a super fabulous, terrific, wonderful, day filled with good food, like pizza, cheese, pasta, cake, french fries, ketchup, mustard, costo polish sausages, relish, hamburgers, hotdogs, potato salad, ravioli, spaghetti type day!

    • Bob Li on March 1, 2021 at 12:04 am

      AMEN
      Daughter of a priest and I totally agree with you. I have seen my family rather go to a church service with hypocritical scum than take their own child to a doctor. There is nothing benevolent or good in a christian church or mindset. It is just a method of control. Often christians think that no spiritual belief equals no morality. This is skewed thinking. I am also still waiting for some non bilblical evidence of a Jesus actually ever existing. In the end they are no different than any other cult. I am happy that some people are able to find solace in the bible or allay their fear of death but I wish they would understand more of the actual history of their religion. Even the bible they all claim to be literally the “word of god”??? ( written 30 plus years after the fact?) has been amended, miscopied and tampered with. If it makes you happy, knock yourself out, but PLEASE stop assuming that people who is doesn’t make happy are evil or broken. I am happy to let you have your crap to believe in if you are kind enough to leave me and others the hell out of it. AMEN.

    • Tristan Z. Haze on May 25, 2021 at 1:43 pm

      Yo Raven & Wolf-

      Love the citations! Christians seem to run from historical citations because it starts to expose the lies and contradictions, the adaptations and concessions made to convert more people. I saw a stave church in Norway from 1100 AD which had a statue of the Mary and Jesus, and then a statue of a local pagan god right next to them, an obvious concession to secure conversion in this area some 900 years ago. They been in this game a long time, and it hasn’t changed much since then.

      Vince got all bent outta shape because you implied he had a tiny mind. He’s trying to be loving and forgive you for insulting him. There’s a subtext, however, of smugness which is hard to miss.

      Yeah Easter (Ishtar) is a lot older than Jesus. I dig the celebration of spring, fertility, cute lil’ bunnies and lambs, jelly beans and deviled eggs (Deviled…..hahahaha — Hail Satan! JK) and feasting on tasty food. I’m pretty sure what we now call Christmas predates Jesus as well. Yule? Roman solstice festival? Saturnalia? Coupla choices there.

      It seems that belief in christian myth blocks out a lot of rational thought — once you’ve chosen to believe something, any facts that contradicts your belief is discarded, doomed to be ignored because it doesn’t fit in with your chosen worldview. There is ample evidence of that happening on social media now, in the form of the QAnon conspiracy movement. Really funny how a lot of its adherents are also christian. Fits in with their chosen worldview AND gives them a seemingly legit reason to hate on non-christians and democrats at the SAME TIME. Satanic pedeophiles lol. Eating babies to attain eternal life. If it weren’t scary how many people believe this nonsense (example: Jan 6th *shudders*) it’d be absolutely hilarious that anyone could believe it at all.

      But hey, this is my chosen worldview and I’m probably discarding the christian one because it doesn’t fit mine. I could be just as guilty, but I am ok with admitting that I could be wrong. I doubt it, but I could be. If god is as loving and forgiving as he is purported to be, if he has a plan for my life, I’m sure this fits into it somehow. God, however relevant or not to me, works in mysterious ways.

      Fun stuff, man. You keep on going dude, you made me laugh. Cheers!

      • Blaze on May 25, 2021 at 1:49 pm

        Hi my friend, one question for you. Are you looking for what is true or what fits your agenda/situation?

  29. J- on January 16, 2021 at 1:04 am

    I was forced off the road by some christian scumbag in his car, had the Jesus fish and a wooden cross hanging from the mirror. After he nearly kills me, this slime wont even deign to look at me. I should have dragged him out of his car and sent him to his lousy, stinking god. I hate christians.

    • Katherine A Johnson on January 16, 2021 at 1:18 am

      Thanks sucks! I’m so sorry that happened to you.

    • B on January 17, 2021 at 9:54 am

      J

      Man sorry to hear that , Yeah Even as a believer in GOD I run into other Christians that don’t do things that I like. You know what I have learned is that sometime the person can just be having a bad day. Someone dying, bills have them stressed, marriage problems or just life man. I am guilty of not doing my best all the time but as a Christian I am convicted later on. Like man I should have done better than that, I should have apologized. Being a Christian does not mean you don’t do things you should not have done ( can’t be a habit either😂) but it does mean something deep inside of you let’s you know, Hey that was not ok and some people are new believers so it takes time to learn how to become a better person. Then you have those who are saying they are Christian but never act like it so if I say I’m good at math and flunk every test, maybe I’m not good at it. Some people claim to be but they are just not good at it yet but hopefully with some practice they will be. Have a great day and I apologize for that person that cut you off and wish you and your family the most Amazing year you have ever had.

    • Thaizü Ringa on January 20, 2021 at 12:22 am

      All Christians aren’t like that, so please don’t hate all Christians.

      • Thaizü Ringa on January 20, 2021 at 12:27 am

        Also, I’m so sorry that happened to you hope you’re living a good life 😊

      • Aly on February 2, 2021 at 8:50 am

        We can though. You’re just like the men who cry “not all men”

    • Becca on January 27, 2021 at 12:52 am

      I totally understand we are all hipocrites. Thats why the bible says we all fall short in this world no matter how hard we try. We can never be perfect. Thats why as a believer, we are not to rely on man to show us the truth. We always have to test the truth for ourselves. This is why we are to have our own relationship with the Lord and allow Him to show us. And thats when he fills us with the holy spirit and to give us a discerning spirit. We all need a savior, Jesus Christ to help us. that person is probably still growing in his faith. We are all accountable for our mistakes and we will be judged individually in the end.

  30. Barbara J Stephan on January 15, 2021 at 9:26 pm

    I can’t argue that Christians don’t always do Christianity perfectly-in fact we never do, and we are not capable of it. If we were we wouldn’t need a Redeemer in the first place. So I get really tired of Christian leaders -like the one who wrote this article-of blaming their fellow believers for the offense non believers take towards Christianity and the church. And then try to say that “it isn’t Christ they have a problem with, it’s the believers.”
    No-that is an excuse to keep Christ out of their life. Because there are plenty of good examples of Christians out there but for some reason, the bad apples get held up as an example of the average Christian. Pointing to a person on judgement day and saying well if it wasn’t for this hypocrite over here I would have gone to church” won’t wash. We will al be held accountable for our OWN sins. There is plenty of sin to go around on both sides. And by the way the Bible does not say never to judge. The second half of that verse is almost always ignored. It says to look at yourself first-THEN show your brother the speck in their eye. So for the non-believer-shouldn’t you worry more about where you stand with God first before pointing YOUR finger? And for the believer-nowhere in the Bible did Jesus ever blame believers for those who rejected Him. He said if [they hate you it’s because they hated Me first.]

    • Katherine A Johnson on January 15, 2021 at 10:36 pm

      That’s very convenient for you, that you’ve convinced yourself that you don’t have to worry about your witness at all since it doesn’t make any difference. If people are turned off to God because of your behavior, you can just say “they just hate Jesus”. You can disavow all responsibility for your behavior. Seems many think it’s okay for us to judge the unbelieving world, and please, don’t even try to claim that’s not happening with regularity, but we can’t even stand up to the slightest accountability with the even a modicum of humility and a teachable spirit? We are too defensive to listen and learn. Your post is actually an excellent example of exactly what this article was illustrating and why it’s needed. “The church” has hurt so many people and sent them running from God, not because they were following Christ, and those people just couldn’t hack it, but because they claim to be and then were blatantly not doing so. Though few are willing to acknowledge that and take any responsibility for their behavior or have any grief over the consequences of that behavior on others. Too bad so sad, is what you basically said, and how does that reflect Christ? When “the church” ends up being more of a tribal affiliation and self congratulatory social club than people showing the grace and love of Christ, then those that are mature, need to hold up the mirror. After all, the Bible calls us to hold each other accountable and not judge the world, but many are far more comfortable with the opposite of that. So much easier and more comfortable than having to be accountable for your own behavior. The spiritually mature do not resist correction, but embrace it, and try to improve their walk. Those that are too hardhearted to hear and aren’t teachable have no hope of improvement. They just continue with deflection and excuses. If you believe your witness doesn’t matter, then you’ll feel quite comfortable making excuses for a bad one and will do more to defile the gospel than advance it.

    • C. R. on March 13, 2021 at 12:51 am

      Sometimes christians intensely dislike what Christians do and how they act. Don’t make the assumption that big “C” Christians have the only word, and that only big “C” Christian rules and regulations are the entirety of the realm of christians who love God.

      Christians truly want to forget about Grace, and they want to limit Grace to themselves. Jesus simply loved, simply gave us God’s Grace. He never said that big “C” Christians were in charge of handing it out.

  31. Scott Matheson on January 15, 2021 at 3:34 pm

    Everything discussed here is less than ideal, but not the reason christianity is failing in america now (christians, being fallible humans, having always had these faults). No, christianity’s fall in america coincides with its marriage to a declining political tribe. To the extent that christianity becomes the tribe of trump (and whoever his successors will be), it will founder as that political tribe, stuck on the wrong side of history as it is, continues to lose popularity. If you are skeptical, bear in mind that most of the world’s population is whatever religion it is because of political/military battles won and lost before the birth of anybody alive today. Politics is, for the most part, religious destiny. So long as the franklin grahams are not corrected by their fellow christians generations of young americans will turn against christianity. So the available choice for christian conservatives is a clear one. If your political tribalism is too important for you to give up, more important than the future prospects of your religion, continue fusing your politics and religion, just be forewarned of the likely consequences.

    It’s probably worth noting in passing here that most of the behaviors that provoke hostility toward christians (their aggression, insularity, hypocrisy) are products of tribalism.

    • Katherine A Johnson on January 15, 2021 at 10:38 pm

      Amen!

  32. Sarahh on January 14, 2021 at 6:51 pm

    We all suck! Haha…

  33. vince on January 14, 2021 at 2:23 pm

    You may have serious anger issues….maybe go puch a pillow..something like that…

  34. Katherine A Johnson on January 13, 2021 at 4:09 pm

    I think any non-believer reading many of the comments here would definitely find much reinforcement for the idea that “Christians” are judgmental, hypocritical and utterly lacking in love or mercy. Some of these folks seem to forget they have no righteousness of their own, and that Jesus said that you will get the mercy you give. Just like the Pharisees in Jesus’ time, they are overly concerned with “the rules”, though of course more for other people than themselves. They’ll say, “I’m not perfect, just forgiven”, which sure sounds like “grace for me and law for everybody else” which is not only a fallacy, it is reprehensible. Is it any wonder why people see us the way they do?
    What if we used the same standard to judge our own behavior? Starting with showing our checkbooks, so we can see what our real priorities are? A Barna study showed that less than 14% of those claiming to be Christians actually tithe 10%, and mammon worship is as common in the church as it is out of it, particularly in the US. What about all those overweight folks, should we insist that they follow a diet program, and hold them accountable for what they are choosing to eat? How about divorced people who are remarried? Shouldn’t we be telling them that God does not recognize their current marriage and they must go back to their original spouse, be celibate or be put out of the church? While divorce is allowed for adultery, the bible never says that means remarriage is okay, in fact in the strictest interpretation of scripture, a case could easily be made that remarriage is not okay, ever, and divorced people must go back to their spouse or remain celibate. How about gun owners? Why do you need a gun, when you are commanded to turn the other cheek, and to not resist if someone wants to take your stuff? I could go on for days, but I think you get my point. You give no mercy; you get no mercy.
    The most notable lack, in these Pharisaical comments, other than love and mercy, is humility and fruit of the spirit, and because of that stark lack, it could easily be said that these people are not following Jesus, themselves, that their witness is polluted and does more to defile the name of God in the world than advance the gospel. Perhaps they are fooling themselves when it comes to their own salvation? Just like the Pharisees in Jesus’ time. And doesn’t that make them worse than unbelievers who don’t claim to follow Christ? (“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.)
    While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Which means we show mercy first. It’s certainly a shame that many wouldn’t walk across the street for an unbeliever, unless they thought they could get them on ‘team Jesus”. That’s not love, that’s actually just tribalism masquerading as faith.
    Perhaps why so many have no interest in God, is because many of the people who claim to be following God are such a horrible example of what they claim to believe. If we’re giving them no grace, why shouldn’t they judge us by the harshest possible standard? After all, they’d just be giving back what they got. And who can stand up to the harshest judgement?
    We all need grace.
    I thought this article was awesome. It showed humility and wisdom. We sure need more of that in the church today.

    • Katherine A Johnson on January 14, 2021 at 4:19 pm

      It sounds like you’ve been really hurt by the church, and I’m so sorry for that. You can hate me, but I do not hate you. I wish you peace.

    • Sarah on January 14, 2021 at 6:56 pm

      True However there are rules. There are consequences as well. But sometimes people are judge mental because they haven’t been in that position before and sometimes they are deeply concerned I won’t have anything to do with it because I’ve already been through something like that

    • Simplegirl on March 12, 2021 at 10:23 pm

      I totally agree with you.
      I am a Christian and there is so many contradictions…
      I mean Jesus is all about love, empathy and patience.
      He doesn’t come to you trying to force himself on you, telling how you are heading straight to hell if you keep doing this or that.
      He comes to you, see what problem you have, help you fix it if you want and let you go.
      All he did was to help people moving forward. Help people be happier. Yes he did talk about faith, but he always care about what emotional state/suffering you are in.
      The problem with a lot of christians is that they only remember the “Go tell them” part and forget the “Love others” part.
      We are so focused on converting people that we forget that we should help them first! I don’t understand how Christian can talk about and follow Christ, but still ignore people that are suffering, just because they have a bad life/are “shameful” to you.
      It’s like the Samaritain story. Those Christian would go to this man who is on the verge of dying and say “You need to accept Jesus or you’ll go to Hell” and sit next to the man and berate him on how much his life must be wrong and away from God, otherwise he wouldn’t be here dying. Like sorry but THE MAN NEED HELP! Save him before and afterward you will talk
      You can’t just completly disregard how people are suffering in general and come over with the Gospel, No that’s not How Jesus did it!
      Anyway…I tried to act like Jesus since I was young and yes,you get walked on but you also see so much!
      I mean so much people are suffering! Living hell on earth! I tried and still try to help those who come to me but there are so many of them…too much…I am actually emotionally exausted…If we were more christians actually helping people like Jesus did, the few that do so wouldn’t have to tired themselves to the bone trying to help.
      I am not perfect and I try my best not to be judgemental. I see people as people and try to be the best friend I can be. I do not befriend them to convert them. I just want to keep them company on their journey toward happyness, regardless of if they accept God or not. Yes I will talk about God to see xhat they think about it. But if they don’t want it I won’t berate them. I think that at the end of the day, God won’t hold us accomptable of who believed and who did not, but of how many people We DID NOT help, how many We ignored,snobed, judged badly, left in their suffering state.
      I hope that God won’t judge me too harshly.
      I am trying to heal myself right know, I will help people as much as I can afterward. I am not perfect nor all knowing. I just want to make people happy, like Jesus did.

  35. E on December 20, 2020 at 10:49 am

    Whenever I find out someone is Christian, I avoid them like the plague. They act absolutely nothing like Jesus who they claim to follow. Also Christians always seem to be the most morally bankrupt people out there. Cheating on their spouses, their priests praying on children etc. They think just because they believe in a certain thing, they’re automatically “pure”. It’s kind of pathetic.

    • Andrew on December 21, 2020 at 9:27 pm

      Perhaps the biggest problem we face is an”us against them” mentality; both for Christians and non-Christians alike. When we judge an entire demographic based on the experiences we have had with some, it is no better than the racist, the nazi or even satan himself. Look to the left and the right of you, all of these people are your brothers and sisters.

      Life is not easy and sometimes it is easier to pick the simple path when we feel undeserving or that we will be judged by others, but anything worthwhile is not easy. What is truly very simple is to reach out to Jesus and honestly, he is waiting and truly hoping that you will. Do not pay attention to those who try to act as God, but rather have your own personal relationship with Him. It does get harder after that, I won’t tell you otherwise as more is expected of you once you do accept Him and that He loves you so much that He was brutally tortured beyond what any mortal could have endured and still is broken-hearted at many of the things that go on today. But, it is worth it. It is worth it to have a Father who cares about you and wants you to belong to Him. I truly tell you that you will never die or suffer eternally. God keeps His promises and that is something you can always trust.

      Sometimes it is easier to throw the stone when you see others doing it themselves, but by doing this you become the thing you despise and everyone loses. Help God to win and untangle the knots in the hearts of your brothers and sisters. It starts by untangling the knots in your own and remembering we all fall short of God and we all get knocked down by the words and deeds of others, but the important thing is that we get back up. I believe you will, too my brother. Let Jesus help you do that. You don’t need a special prayer or incantation, just ask Him. He’d really like to hear from you.

      The peace of our Father be with you always and am so sorry others have hurt and dissuaded you. I’m in your corner and most importantly, so is God.

      • Terry on December 22, 2020 at 8:53 am

        Amen.

    • Meredith Rietz on December 23, 2020 at 10:23 am

      I came to Christ because it was the Holy Spirit that pricked my heart and I fell in love with Jesus… I wanted more and more of a relationship with him. When I started to see the Christian community however, I was heartbroken. I saw how unchrist like people were and it saddened me because I loved Jesus so much… I saw how believers were missing out on the true love of Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit in transforming their life if one would just spend real quality time with the Lord and give their lives over to him. I also experienced the challenges of being a Christian as my own walk continued. Pride, righteousness, anger, judgment… they would creep up in big ways, like big glaring headlights, and I would have to deal with them on my knees… confessing and repenting, asking God to change me and purify me. It was/is like constant heart surgery being done by God himself. Such is the life long path of sanctification I have learned. Needless to say I am so far from perfect but I can see where God is at work in my life… I am being transformed from glory to glory by a perfect God. I think there are far too many christians who are not really seeking God… they want all the perks of being a Christian without living the lifestyle of a Christ follower. This is why Christians are highly unattractive for the most part to many people (and they should be… it’s unchristlike). Jesus himself had a lot to say about being lukewarm or a person that is super religious in deed but rotten in their heart. Truthfully, if it weren’t Christ himself that wooed me into a relationship with him… whereby I experienced a soaking of his love and power which led me to surrender my life to him and stay surrendered… I would be highly disenchanted with Christianity at large as well. This is what I tell people though… don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. I pray for my brothers and sisters in Christ as well as myself. I try to look at myself before I look at others… “God change me” sort of thing. I can only pray to live as an example of Christ… that people will see his light within me and know his love because of my submission to him. I care about Christ being revealed in me the most that others will come to know him. I am deeply sorry for what you have seen in the Christians that truly aren’t Christ followers… I pray for the sake of the world and the sake of the kingdom that God will deal with each of us (Christians) in a way that brings glory to his name. Thank you for sharing your honesty.

      • Somebody on January 5, 2021 at 3:38 pm

        Why didn’t I feel or meet this who you call Jesus?

    • Jay on January 7, 2021 at 8:08 am

      I Absolutely agree with your comment..I’ve been screwed over by so many Christians I could write a book about it..you can’t trust them because they believe they can commit crimes and be forgiven by their so called God and a man named to”Jesus .

      • mikie on January 7, 2021 at 10:50 am

        exactly… just now i finished my religion class and i’m catholic.. my teacher was disrespecting my religion about popes and stuff like that. they judge all the time because of what others believe in, and what i’ve heard, that’s not how a christian should be acting. they should respect other religions because it’s only right. and they say that they’re great people, smh.

    • vince on February 2, 2021 at 11:06 am

      All people are a mess and need help. Keep your eyes of people and on Jesus who was perfect and came to save all of us if we believe in him. It is quite simple his message but very hard for many to give in to him. A spiritual battle rages within all of us and who wins it depends on you and what you do with Jesus. No person is too bad to be accepted by Jesus and we are all bad and need help. Jesus has changed many lives and even people who believe in him are working daily to overcome lifes issues. It is all about Jesus and who he is and what he has for us, not other believers. People will never be perfect here but Jesus is. Don’t pass up the chance to see who he is and what he can do for us all. He loves us as he said many many times over…..

    • Hello on March 15, 2021 at 7:25 am

      I live near the border and I’m Mexican, do you know how many Mexicans grow up and they claim to be religious ? But they don’t follow Jesus but may claim it. I’ts a family thing its big in Mexican culture to be religious. Many people don’t follow jesus but watch them claim it. If your looking at them as an example your missing the point about who jesus is. I’ts definitely not them. I’m a christian why would you avoid me ? I’m a regular person I go to work , buy used cars, grocery shop and cook, like cars , dirt bikes off reading and I want to serve jesus. I hate cheating lies and disloyalty and hate and gossip. Dont drink , don’t smoke , I’m guilty of alot of sins most definitely. I don’t judge people harshly like I was never in their shoes. Raping kids is wrong. If a christian rapes kids best belive they are a claimer who probably claims it because their grandma had crosses and religious candles all around the house.
      Know the difference , even if its hard to find the different ones. We don’t make the other ones right , they are wrong for doing wrong. Us being Christians doesn’t defend the people who use the religious tite to do wrong things to people.

    • Paola on April 2, 2021 at 6:34 pm

      PREACH SISTER

  36. Guest on December 18, 2020 at 5:33 pm

    Not sure there are many divorced Christians that boast proudly of their sins like the alphabet soup crowd.

    • E on December 20, 2020 at 10:46 am

      Nope. But they still act high and mighty, even though Christians are usually the most morally bankrupt people out there.

  37. rose budzyn on December 10, 2020 at 7:51 pm

    Andy Stanley. Boy if that doesn’t say it all.

    • Fu on December 11, 2020 at 12:12 am

      “When was the last time you hung out with a sex worker?”
      A typical Christian would answer: “the last time my wife was out of town” or “when I saw my mom.”

      • Call me Joey on March 15, 2021 at 7:08 am

        Yeah a typical christian claimed who goes to church wears crosses but doesn’t know the word. Those aren’t biblical Christians, just stuck in the world.

      • Call me Joey on March 15, 2021 at 7:11 am

        yeah christian claimers who wear cross necklaces and go to church but don’t know the Bible. Worldy Christians stuck in the world. Not biblical right Christians who may struggle , but eventually stop doing things like that. And change their life around.

    • Mike on December 12, 2020 at 1:52 pm

      Great! However, the problem I have with this article is that it is unbalanced and is only one half of Christ’s gospel message. So what as Christians are we supposed to do? Turn a blind eye towards sin? Yes, Jesus taught us not to judge (hypocritically) but He also taught is to judge (righteously). Are we now to have the attitude that accepts and even affirms a non-believer’s sin, such as LGBTQ? Transgenderism? And say to them, “That’s ok, I love you, God loves you, and no problem, carry-on, without speaking the truth? Jesus warned sinners, saying unless you repent you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. We are commanded to take a stand for righteousness, holiness, to take a stand against sin. We can do these things in love. In fact, if we don’t warn the lost about hell, about the penalty for their sin, we don’t truly love them. Jesus never sugar-coated His gospel like the writer of this article has. Let’s get back to Biblical Christianity, folks!

      • Ty on December 13, 2020 at 6:28 pm

        agreed 100%

      • D) on December 14, 2020 at 6:22 am

        I KNEW we were gonna have a homophobic piece of trash on here I just knew that some imbecile still believes this crap, sorry man got something to tell ya, you can’t pass off your hate of LGBTQ+ people on your main man Jesus because as a matter of fact sexual orientation was never ever mentioned in the Bible (the one normal non cult like Christians read anyway so if it was mentioned in yours then you’re reading the wrong one) I like Christians just as much as I like anyone else but people who hate people just because of who they love that doesn’t fly, I truly don’t t understand how some people don’t understand why people hate Christians, if only some of the people that ask that question could read the garbage you spewed. Well it’s about time to wrap this up so I’ll finish it off by asking a question, If I proved that the Bible said nothing about sexual orientation would you stop hating LGBTQ+ people? The answer is no but I just wanna see what idiotic excuse you give.

        • vince on December 14, 2020 at 12:20 pm

          God loves ALL people equally…ALL people. We are ALL sinners and need God the Bible says. God is love and he wants us to love each other…even our enemies he says. As difficult as this might be for some people, it is what God wants for us. We CAN do it in and with his help. In these strange times we live in we need God more than ever. I hope we can all reach out to God…..he is our ONLY hope……

          • Angela Bright on December 18, 2020 at 2:31 pm

            I agree with u so completly. U and this article. The other comments r a bit narrow minded. I suppose sometimes it’s hard to see the big picture. I read, I mean really read that article 5 times. I felt every word of it. It hit home big time.



        • Terry on December 14, 2020 at 12:39 pm

          Hi D)…I’ll let Mike speak for himself but I will make a few points in regard to what has already been posted here, as you seem new to this thread. 1)Your main point seems to be that Jesus never addressed sexual preference/orientation directly, which is correct to our knowledge (although He likely said many other things that weren’t written down). No “cult” version of the Bible here. But who was He addressing when He did speak, most of the time? The Jews. His own people. They already knew the OT law which declared many behaviors to be sinful. His main points were about hypocrisy and legalism – that sin was also a matter of the heart and not merely one of outward behavior. He didn’t address sexual issues beyond lust, fornication and adultery because He didn’t have to. You ask if Christians would stop “hating” LGBTQ+ people if you could prove the Bible did not address these topics; well, what if Jesus DID call out homosexual behavior (as it’s not just a matter of who people love) as sin – would that settle the question? Or would some still insist that “Jesus didn’t really say that…that wasn’t what He meant…you’re twisting His words,” etc. Jesus said a lot of controversial things that make people uncomfortable, but many want to sweep these under the rug and embrace only the comfortable things He said like loving people and doing-unto-others. My point is to suggest that the problem is perhaps our desire to put Jesus in a box and define what He was about to our own ends rather than take a serious look at our own sin. 2) Even though Jesus did not address this topic directly, it doesn’t mean that the Bible as a whole does not. Let’s just toss the entire Old Testament aside for a moment, to avoid the whole “Old Law/New Law” debate, and focus on Paul’s writings. No, Paul was not Jesus but Christians believe that he, like other men who penned the Bible, was hand-picked and directly inspired by God – and thus his words are just as legitimate as Jesus’. Paul’s audience was different however as he had been commissioned to take Jesus’ message to the Gentiles, whose cultures did include aberrant sexual behavior as part of everyday life. In his letter to the church in Corinth he did reference homosexual behavior as not only something unbecoming a follower of Christ but also what some of his readers “WERE” – i.e., that they had been rescued out of this sin like the fornicators, thieves and drunkards he also lists had been. His letter to the Romans makes similar comments. You are free to disagree with anything you read in scripture but you can’t claim that it doesn’t address this issue. 3) Disagreement or presentation of truth does not equate to hate. We’ve been told by the Surgeon General for decades now that smoking is hazardous to our health, but this does not mean that he has a personal vendetta against smokers. This is simply a warning that our choices have consequences, and while LGBTQ+ behavior (note that I describe the behavior, not the person) is NOT the worst of all sins or any different in God’s eyes from lying or drug addiction, it is nonetheless a sin; and sin separates us from God – but like all other sins it is forgivable if one repents and allows Christ to save him from it. 4) “Homophobia” is not a word, except perhaps by the literal definition – “fear of same things,” i.e., “homo”=same (as opposed to “hetero”=different) and “phobia”=fear. If anything this word references a fear of identical twins or matching socks, but fear of LGBTQ+ people (if people could be defined by their behavior) as if they were scary monsters lurking in dark alleys or under the bed…is not a thing.

        • brad on December 16, 2020 at 4:34 pm

          That’s not true. In 1 Corinthians, Paul writes: Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men. Also, just because many Christians disagree with homosexuality, does not mean they hate them, albeit that there may be some Christians that hate homosexuals. BUT, this is against what Jesus said, as we are told to love one another, and love our enemy, so they are bad examples to go by as Christians. I hope that clears some stuff up. Also, agreed, mike, vince and terry.

          • brad on December 16, 2020 at 4:35 pm

            BTW when i said that’s not true i was answering D), not terrry



        • Michelle on December 18, 2020 at 6:51 am

          I would ask what Bible are you reading actually? Because sexual orientation and trans are most definitely mentioned. And the Torah was extremely strict on this. But it was also strict on many things that the world struggle to hear and comply with. Which is exactly why the Torah’s laws were made in preparation for the Messiah. God knew very well that as a result of the curse of sin that our flesh struggled with his Laws. We cannot achieve perfection no matter how hard we work for it. Only God is perfect. And only perfection can have a relationship with him. Thus we can only have a spiritual connection with the Creator through Jesus who made the ultimate sacrifice to restore this relationship. Jesus can read our heartfelt spiritual desires over desires of the flesh when we seek to follow him. The Holy Spirit guides us when we pursue The Way (Gospel). So then when God sees us he is really seeing Jesus perfection. I tend to explain the Bible as a manual. It’s there to inform us of how of the manufacturer designed everything to work at peak performance. It also covers troubleshooting when the design doesn’t function as it should and why. So when we start going against the recommendations and doing things our own way problems will inevitable arise. And we become broken as a result. Jesus is our Warranty. We will never be perfect but to be able to grow spiritually is an eternal journey and blessing we recieve through the Blood of Christ. Now I am a sinner with a very shady past. I have broken all his commandments. So I am gratefully reminded that God forgave me for it all every single day. When I stopped doing it my way and started following His Way my thinking changed as well as my life began to turn around. God did for me what I could not do for myself. Does that mean I will not ever suffer? No. This world is broken so ofcourse not. But I have begun to see things more through God’s lense the more time I spend with him. Jesus came to save us from an eternal life without God. A life we choose ourselves because we often enjoy the quick fixes that the flesh can offer leaving us spiritually dead to God. He didn’t come to stop our suffering while we are here. Infact suffering (if understood through scripture) can facilitate our spiritual growth.

          • vince on December 18, 2020 at 11:41 am

            John 10:10……..abundant life….I too have a very messed up past as many do. My life was completely changed by God like thousands and thousands of others. So so thankful my life was changed and saved. A daily walk now……



        • AJ on December 18, 2020 at 12:29 pm

          Actually in the Bible in Leviticus it states that no man shall lie with man. Being gay is a sin, not anybody deserves to be hated because of it but it isn’t okay for schools to teach that it’s just okay to be gay, sure if you are then you are but clearly it’s a sin. That’s why Adam and Eve were made (just two genders) by the way. Not a million different ones that don’t even make sense. But have a blessed day.

          • Timothy on January 4, 2021 at 11:10 am

            Yeah Well not everybody is religious and not everyone has to be religious, it’s natural to be gay considering everything on this planet has a gay speicies. The world is becoming more open and that’s good you saying that it’s wrong is criticizing gods creation of humans and animals. Sthu and let people be who they are, your aren’t woke. Your just a judgmental peice of crap oh and your homophobic, nice. (I’m straight so it can’t be that hard to be kind to others)



          • Thinker on February 10, 2021 at 12:36 pm

            This is a very interesting conversation. I have always had questions regarding sexuality and Christianity and I don’t see them addressed here. Do you believe a person just decides to be heterosexual (or homosexual)? If a person doesn’t naturally (after going through adolescence/puberty) have feelings/desire toward a sexual relationship with the opposite sex, should they go ahead and do it any way — get married, have sex with their spouse regularly, in accordance with God’s will (as commonly interpreted in Christianity) — even though they don’t feel that desire (and may even really dislike it)? Or should they remain unmarried and celibate, and try to cope with the loneliness that can bring? Can a person somehow make him or herself desire a lifelong sexual relationship with an opposite sex spouse, if that is not there naturally? What other options does such a person have (in keeping with a Christian life)? Out of all the billions of people that have ever lived, was/is every single one naturally heterosexual — or if not, should they force themselves into a lifelong heterosexual marriage or just be single (and probably lonely)? I’m just really curious about these questions. What is someone like this supposed to do, really, from a Christian perspective?



        • Mitch Winters on December 21, 2020 at 1:07 am

          there are at least three passages that refer to homosexual activity: Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10. A fourth passage, Jude 1:7, is often interpreted as referring to homosexuality. King James Version (1611): “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind”

          The phrase “abusers of themselves with mankind” translates arsenokoitai also rendered “sodomites” (YLT), or “men who have sex with men” (NIV). Yes GOD Loves ALL, NOT YOUR SIN! Beware, lest ye end up in Hell. Repent, call upon the name of the Lord. Not hate, I love ALL people, NOT their SIN! PS> I have fornicated with both sex’s….. God wasnt pleased, Jesus Saved my life! God bless.

      • Gi on December 14, 2020 at 12:14 pm

        Why is it that we have to view the LGBTQ+ community as way worse of sinners than anybody else? I’m just curious, where in the bible does it say homosexuality is worse than any other sin? If you’re gonna convict them of their sins, then treat everybody the same. We’re all sinners and you can’t be the judge of which sins are okay and which ones aren’t. So if you find it necessary to send gays to conversion camps, do the same for liars, adulterers, and pretty much every sinner. Sorry if that doesn’t make sense.

        • Terry on December 14, 2020 at 1:03 pm

          Gi…again, not to speak for Mike but I imagine he was using this as an example of what judging means (or doesn’t mean) for followers of Christ. But you are correct in that no sin is “worse” than any other. However Christians are often forced to focus on particular issues because they are brought to the forefront by some who would wish them to be accepted as normal and healthy. People don’t generally defend lying or adultery (to use the examples you cite) except in isolated, extreme cases; thus there is little need for debate. But when a lie is presented as truth (and if a lie is told often enough and loudly enough, people start to believe it) the body of Christ must choose whether to go along with it or confront it, lovingly and head-on. And this counter-argument, that God doesn’t make mistakes in regard to gender and that all people are made in God’s image and can choose, not being animals controlled by instinct…is what might be interpreted as “hate”. But there is such a thing as a “camp” for sinners…it’s called church.

          • Gi on December 16, 2020 at 5:35 pm

            Okay, thank you for sharing your answer. I understand, God bless.



        • Guest on December 18, 2020 at 5:32 pm

          Not sure there are many divorced Christians that boast proudly of their sins like the alphabet soup crowd.

        • Doug williamson on December 19, 2020 at 12:05 pm

          Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

        • Mitch winters on December 21, 2020 at 1:18 am

          If you want a serious answer just youtube search ‘is sexual sin worse than normal sin’. We are in the apostasy. The great falling away from the Word of God. Also see my answer above. Simple answer is “all fall short of the Glory of God’ we have all sinned, the penalty is death, living in sin & denying the Savior Lord Jesus Christ is what will lead to the 2nd death. You Will meet God, and without the Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, you will not be blameless when you meet God & you will be punished. Hell is to be followed up by a place in the lake of fire for all eternity.

      • Brian Lennon on December 19, 2020 at 5:40 am

        You’re such a sick person. Justifying your natural prejudice in language from a book written by flawed human beings just like you and me. God is so much bigger than you can possibly imagine. In a book so broad you can pick and choose what to believe, ask yourself why you wouldn’t choose to accept others and love them as they are. Could it be because your’re terrified? Of literally everything that doesn’t resonate with you? I live in a country that’s largely athiestic and they don’t think LGBTQs are living the right way either. Except they just call it unnatural. They don’t have to use their “faith” as a pretext for “righteous judgment”.You are a foul excuse for a Christian, much less a Loving human. And make no mistake, you will have to answer for your sin when your spirit leaves this world. And you may not be headed where you think you are, Mike.

        • vince on December 21, 2020 at 10:49 am

          The important question is if God is who he says he is….real….un real. There is very much evidence he is real. Creation, the universe, science, chance, odds, the Bible, peoples lives COMPLETELY changed. Enough to warrant a look in to this whole issue yet many will never consider it or research it. Much of what is written here and in this article will make very little sense if you assume there is no God. One day we will all know the answer to that question. God says we are in a spiritual battle here and those who do not believe are in a state of confusion so to speak. God is not the Author of confusion the Bible says. We are all in this together and together we can help each other…God wants that for all of us…he cares and gives us free will…choice

      • Casey Smart on January 10, 2021 at 8:34 am

        I 100% agree

      • Katherine A Johnson on January 14, 2021 at 4:55 pm

        Maybe we need to “get the log out of our own eyes first”, and stop expecting an unbelieving world to conform to our morality because it makes it more comfortable for us to live here, and honestly that’s what our moral judgements look like most of the time. They seem to have very little to do with God and more about tribal affiliation and a way to determine who’s in and who’s out. It seems to me the reason so much emphasis is on gay marriage or abortion is because many of us can safely say that’s not us. Whereas we tend to give a lot of grace for things that we might actually be guilty of, like divorce, gluttony, gossip and greed. This is the very definition of hypocrisy. Of course actually everyone is a hypocrite, Christian or not. We all espouse values we then fail at following. It’s certainly not the exclusive domain of Christians. However we do seem to have a tendency to be more focused on “other people sin” than our own and with less grace than we hope to receive for ourselves, which is a very dangerous place to be, because Jesus did say “the mercy you give is the mercy you will receive”. So you’d think that we’d be very, very full of mercy then, but in general that does not seem to be the case. More grace and definitely much more humility is needed. We are not the moral police of the world, and when we take on that role, we almost always sacrifice the love of God in the process. Driving people away from God, instead of attracting them to God. Mother Teresa once said, “humiliated and defensive people never change”, and yet judgment and shaming is frequently the “go to” methodology in the toolbox of many claiming Christ today. Judgment and shaming is certainly not what lead me to Christ, it was the love and grace of God.

      • Paola on April 2, 2021 at 6:40 pm

        You homophobic piece of trash. All sinners are seen as equal in the eyes of your god. You out of all people should know that. You are as much of a sinner as those you hate.

    • Mike on December 12, 2020 at 2:09 pm

      Excellent, Nate! People, Christians as well as the unsaved, completely misunderstand the Bible passages where Jesus teaches about judging others. There are two types of judging, (hypocritical) judging, which is judging based on a person’s physical appearance, or we being guilty of the same sin we are judging others for, or in a self-righteous, condemning way, vs (righteously) judging others as Christ commands us as Christians to do. Identifying sin in a person’s or persons life, letting them know God’s view and remedy for those sins, and that their sins will keep them out of heaven, alienating them forever from God’s presence. This (righteous) judging, if done in a spirit of gentleness, humility, meekness and in love will plant the seeds of salvation, whereby the Holy Spirit will convict people of their sin and draw them to Jesus Christ with overwhelming love. This is how I got saved and came to the Lord nearly 45 years ago.

      • Tt on December 13, 2020 at 6:34 pm

        agreed 100%

      • Matthew on January 15, 2021 at 4:45 pm

        One Christian to another, here are some points I humbly submit for your consideration. I hope you’ll reflect on them in the light of prayer.

        Within the framework of our very religion we have been arguing with one another about righteous vs immoral interpretation of scripture, and about whether scripture is alone the most important reference point, or how it overlaps with tradition, with experience, etc. We have been arguing over whether it is even right to refer to the Bible as the “Word of God” given that this title for the book is not, itself, biblical (not as biblical as, say, that Jesus is the Word, which cannot be reduced to paper). Though I am not a Catholic, I’ll quote John Paul II (who himself, knowingly or not, is quoting German Lutheran theologian of the early seventeenth century, Rupertus Meldenius): “In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity.” We have been arguing, in the main, about what is essential vs non-essential, and forgetting in the process to be charitable.

        You write about “identifying sin”. In so far as we’re talking about the “sin” contested here by you and others (the alleged sin of homosexuality), let’s consider: “There are seven texts often cited by Christians to condemn homosexuality: Noah and Ham (Genesis 9:20–27), Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19:1–11), Levitical laws condemning same-sex relationships (Leviticus 18:22, 20:13), two words in two Second Testament vice lists (1 Corinthians 6:9–10; 1 Timothy 1:10), and Paul’s letter to the Romans (Romans 1:26–27). The author believes that these do not refer to homosexual relationships between two free, adult, and loving individuals. They describe rape or attempted rape (Genesis 9:20–27, 19:1–11), cultic prostitution (Leviticus 18:22, 20:13), male prostitution and pederasty (1 Corinthians 6:9–10; 1 Timothy 1:10), and the Isis cult in Rome (Romans 1:26–27).”

        The point is, there is no way for any one person to read the Bible objectively. We will each of us see from our own contexts. This is, of course, why we are best advised to do so under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Two points follow this, the first of which is that, in light of our inherently subjective views whilst reading the Book, we cannot simply transpose quotations from it into current contexts (even undisputed ones) and expect harmony to result, nor to expect to be met with, “Oh, yes, I see a Bible quote, now I know their statement is true.” The second point is that, if we are advised as Christians to read the Book in light of the Holy Spirit, how do we do this? We can of course begin by trusting the interpretations of those who’ve come before us whom we trust have been guided, but we cannot expect others to trust our tradition without their prior conversion (for those maybe reading this who are not Christian, conversion not under duress, but true conversion as the interior changing of the heart, which is God’s grace that no man can compel). But relying on tradition’s answers to provide for what is absent in our own experience is what leads any non-Christian to say, “Hypocrite.” If we can’t live it, we can’t say it, not even followed by the flaccid appeal to our sinfulness. The short of it is, the Book provides nothing without the Spirit; and while we can claim that Biblical inerrancy implies it is permeated with the Spirit, this claim cannot provide for others what they cannot see in our own lived behavior. I’m talking about the absence of “all in Charity.” the Bible’s status as inspired is not a bludgeon to be used on a non-Christian; it is riddle for the Christian who faces a confusing text within it (as the Fathers did, who recognized that every word in the Book has more than one meaning; which to prioritize? see Augustine’s notion of “caritas”, that interpretation which leads to love of one’s neighbor and of God).

        Certainty is not confidence, it is delusion. That is precisely the crux of faith, in the first place. When God walked Creation as Christ, “Hell” was not Hell, it was Gehenna, that rotting wasteland outside of Jerusalem where all the trash got dumped and there was nothing resembling care or beauty or love or dignity. And now we have Infernalism masquerading as Christianity. Certainty that I understand precisely what sin is, that I understand precisely what the Bible’s one and only implication of what action is a sin under which circumstances, this is delusion. If I practice what our Savior has said, if I pray as he taught, do as he taught, love as he taught, and I feel the grace of God in my life and see it in my relationships, I can trust my interpretation of some particular passage of scripture that lead me to praxis in the first place. But if I say, “Of this I am certain,” then I have, I attest, committed idolatry. Because we worship our certainties by the power we give them, and if we cannot even be certain of God as the empiricists would require us to be, but “merely” Faithful to God, we cannot by any measure be certain of a phrase from the Book in our understanding, or of the method we employ to convey that perspective to others.

        I do not mean to imply we do nothing. As you say, “if done in a spirit of gentleness, humility…” etc. and when I read those words I wondered to myself, “How would Mike actually DO that?”

        And this is how I believe it better done: that we include the maligned and misunderstood and abused phrase, “Maybe.” Maybe it’s like this, try it and see. Because whereas Christ spoke with Authority, we have not the authority to forget to be charitable, if even Christ did not forget to be charitable. And the charity that I believe would, like a holy fool, “win” more of the world for Christ, is the charity of uncertainty (not Doubt, which is cynicism, but Faith, which is trust), of saying, “I don’t know. I have faith.”

        The moment we claim to “know”, especially about the nature of another’s sin, especially in the act of allegedly righteous judgment, there is no room for God, because we’ve crowded the Spirit out by our rigidity.

        Ironically, this is my own attempt to “righteously judge” another, as it were! I may be wrong, may God have mercy. I don’t know. I simply submit that we can follow Christ without claiming “to know”–to require the “proof” of our certainty as Thomas of little faith wanted proof from Christ, in place of faith. If you want, Brother, try it and see.

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  39. chase on December 4, 2020 at 5:06 pm

    hi, im a teenager and growing up in a christian household ive learned some things but not all. I dont want to ever offend anyone so if im ever wrong on anything I say please please correct me, I do not know everything about the bible, I am a christian but i just felt like sharing after scrolling through the comments for awhile. I feel like theres a lot of hatred today, towards all regardless, as this is a cruel world. recently on apps ive seen a lot of hate towards christians and the faith itself and growing up with major anxiety this has really taken a toll on me the past few days, because im scared ill lose friends. i myself have no problem with someone who is homosexual, or believes in something else, i welcome it actually. i made a promise to myself to love all regardless of race, creed, sexual orientation, beliefs, etc. im sorry if anything ive said has offended anyone i just want to talk, i see a lot of christians being misunderstood but i also see a lot of people forcing some things onto others, i believe anyone has a right to believe in what they want to believe in. im completely fine with having friendship with those who believe in something else, are homosexual, that stuff. a common argument i see is the “you arent respecting us why would we respect you”. i feel like nowadays a minority is being viewed as a majority, if something has been experienced multiple times, it will be believed that all are like that, like the stereotypes some believe in. i just think some need to not view christianity as a whole as bad, yes i do fully agree there are a lot who come off as more arrogant or trying to condemn others for the way they live, and i just hope that one day there can be more of a love between believers and non-believers.

    once again im sorry if what ive said offended anyone, that was not by any means meant to offend anyone, i just wanted to get whats on my mind in a comment and see what anyone else has to say, i welcome any and all opinions, i hope everyone has an amazing day, thank you! 🙂

    • Susan Joy on December 5, 2020 at 4:23 pm

      Hi Chase, you’ve been brave to write the post – well done! You’ve raised some good points – we can all accept each other, even if we don’t agree with different lifestyle choices.

      Jesus told us people will know we are His followers by the way we love each other. Love is an action – it’s what we do. Imagine if we who call ourselves His followers, did that! Have a great day brave Chase and thanks for sharing some love. 🙌🙏

    • nate semlick on December 8, 2020 at 2:10 am

      Hey chase, my name is Nate and I also am a Christian who is 16. I too have noticed what you explain about the increased hate towards Christians online and also what you view as a judgmental view from Christians. If I understand you correctly you believe that there is a minority of judgmental Christians who are not representative of the larger body of Christians values. This minority proclaims judgment on homosexuals, sexually impure, Muslims, and others. This you believe to be not the true nature of Christianity which is to love others and not hate. I hope I can clear up some questions you might have. Firstly you rightly recognize that Christianity is a religion of love. We are too love others. The confusion comes in what love looks like. I can see that your definition of love is based on the modern definition which goes something along the lines of “Jonny loves to smoke weed all day, and play video games. And as long as his choice doesn’t hurt anyone, I , as a good friend must “love” him by supporting all his decisions.” This however is not Biblical definition of love. The kind of love we find in the Bible is one that wishes to improve others and hopes for their good. 1 Corinthians 4-5 says “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.” but it does not achieve the well being of others by encouraging their sins. Romans 12:9 says “Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good”. As Christians we must condemn sin in order to bring about the best for our friends. That is why Christians seem so “judgmental” because in a sense we are and that is nothing to be ashamed of. What you might notice is that those who claim to not be judgmental make judgments of those whom they think are judgmental. Being judgmental is not bad in itself. The truth in your claim comes from Christians who don’t condemn sin to help lead their neighbor to repentance and salvation but instead to boost their pride and ego. They think themselves so much better than homosexuals or Muslims, but in doing so form an even worse sin; that of pride. So I would hope that those Christians as you note are a minority and that most Christians wish for the good for their fellow being. Whether that is the case I do not know. I hope I cleared a little up for you. If you want to contact me my number is 3609896523. Have a wonderful week!

  40. JH-Mech on November 9, 2020 at 8:56 pm

    Deep thinking

  41. Kenneth Gray on October 30, 2020 at 1:43 pm

    I would like to answer the question of how to prove God exists.

    First, let’s think about this; according to scientific evidence there can’t be an explosion without at least 2 separate things interacting with each other.
    – matter + matter
    – matter + energy
    – energy + energy
    Even the most explosive materials need something else to cause them to explode.
    Taking the fact that you need 2 things for an explosion; How did the Big Bang occur? For this discussion we look at the Big Bang Therory. This is basically that there was nothing which then exploded into everything. Scientifically impossible.
    For this discussion we will say that the Big Bang did occur. First, what exploded? If there was nothing to begin with – nothing + nothing = nothing. Anything multiplied by 0 (nothing) = 0 (nothing)
    After this truth is embraced; Second – where did the ingredients that caused the Big Bang come from? Something or someone had to put the 2 ingredients there in the first place. Even if you don’t believe in God, you can’t argue that everything came from nothing. There had to be a being/force greater than us that caused the Big Bang to occur. That is God.
    I hope this helps someone to see the truth that there is most definitely a God. Thanks and may God Bless You, in Jesus name, Amen

    • William Starck on November 21, 2020 at 5:48 pm

      that dosnt prove he or she exsists

      • Rain on November 29, 2020 at 1:06 am

        Well someone would of had to start the reaction/make the universe. They would have to be a being that has always lived and is eternal (in imo)

    • Bobby G. on December 2, 2020 at 11:50 pm

      For the nonbelievers that think science without God is possible need to go listen to DrJamesTour on YouTube. He’s pretty much the lead Synthetic Organic Chemist in the nation. Not one scientist has came up with a fact that contradict the Bible, only theories. Peace and Love to you all

  42. Panda Mech on October 23, 2020 at 3:36 am

    You are all more confused that when you started. If their were an almighty diety (or 3) why would he make his(or their) existence so difficult to understand and why would he pit the 3 religions of the same roots that seek his (their) guidance and blessings against one another so they set out on centuries of destruction of one another and themselves? It seems no one takes the Commandments seriously. American christian’s that own guns will be the first to be rejected at the pearly gates. No one can own a gun without fantasizing about using it and we all know that thinking it is as bad as doing it.

    • Bobby G. on October 23, 2020 at 6:41 am

      Panda Mech
      The full understanding of who God is will not come until the end. What little understanding we do have of Him is only gracefully giving to us through the Truth that comes from the Holy Spirit. If there was a full understanding of who he was there would be no reason to seek him when we face hardships throughout our lives. We would already know what our future would hold, then there would be no true meaning to life cause we would be like God ourselves. God wants to be glorified for everything he does in our lives. If we were completely like Him we wouldn’t need to give Him the glory cause we would be full of pride and ignorance. There would be no need for God.

      The only reason there is so much division is due to human nature wanting things to be a certain way and the deceiver of course loves this division. It’s through the teachings of Christ as to how we’re to treat one another whether they believe or not. What moral standards people have today have been passed down through generations from the people that believed what Jesus taught. When people come to the truth of Jesus they won’t have religion they will find out that it’s a relationship. Jesus was one of the biggest rebels to religion in his day and it’s why he was hated by the religious leaders. He sat down and talked with sinners, had dinners with them, had compassion for them. Religious leaders despised him for it, yet he done it anyways cause everyone has a right to be forgiven. It’s when we see ourselves as sinner, then we see a need for a savior and it comes through Christ.

      • vince on October 23, 2020 at 8:55 am

        Yes, and God gave us his word as a guide (Bible) to learn more about him and what he wants for us. God is never against himself as is clear in his word. We can understand the basics of what he wants for us but not all. There has to be room for faith. Without faith there would be no Christians. So, we people are like Sheep gone astray in this world as the Bible tells us and we ALL need a shepherd to guide us through life. We will never be perfect here on Earth in this life, but will be perfect in heaven eternal as is stated in His word. Man and his pride is a great barrier to knowing God. We have to be humble like little children and have faith he loves us as he has said. It is not complex nor does it take high intelligence. It does take a little faith and it is NEVER a blind faith. He left his word that we would not be blind……….

    • Leif Erickson on October 29, 2020 at 6:46 pm

      Christianity is a lie. Christians are delusional.

      • Bobby G. on October 29, 2020 at 10:32 pm

        Leif Erickson,
        I use to believe the same. It’s not until God actually worked and moved for me in my life that I became a believer. Your view is a fair one if you haven’t attempted to believe for yourself. All I can say is don’t knock it till you try it. Jesus was murdered for loving you more than himself. May God Bless you with His presence by the power of Christ Jesus. Peace!

    • Michael on November 11, 2020 at 9:36 pm

      If you follow the history the Muslim faith has nothing to do with Christianity. And the Jewish faith now that exists is not the Jewish faith that existed 2000 years ago. It’s a completely new religion. Different beliefs different system. God didn’t put these religions against each other. Men did. In my faith orthodoxy. We Believe that God became man so that man can become god. Also there’s three different persons one essence. God the father is Spirit. The word the son became flesh. And the Holy Spirit existed in the holy persons. Three different persons one same accents. Very simple not hard to understand like most make it seem to be. God is complicated but at the purest form God is simple. We have three enemies ourselves, the devil,
      And the world. We are changed by all three of these or controlled by all three. We cannot be our purest self because of our passions and our sins and or desires. But everything that this man or female has written it’s true. But in thinking that one’s self can fix it that’s where they go wrong. I as orthodox Christian call on God to help me to know myself and to know him. And to ask him to help me to be better. Because without him I can do nothing. The ones that think they can are controlled by their egos. And there’s a limit to what they can do. But with God there is no limit. There might be limits in this life. But even then they’re mostly only limited By our belief.

  43. Anonymous on October 19, 2020 at 7:14 am

    God and Jesus both suck.

    • Bobby G. on October 29, 2020 at 10:35 pm

      What makes you believe that?

      • William Starck on November 21, 2020 at 5:53 pm

        apart from the holy wars and the homophobia, nah religion is great

    • Amanda on November 24, 2020 at 3:24 am

      If you’re brave enough to make that comment why have you hidden your name? My name is Amanda!!

    • Alida on December 11, 2020 at 9:31 pm

      Es obvio q no sabes lo q dices. Que Dios tenga misericordia de ti y aunque tu post sea anónimo, Cristo te llame por tu nombre y termines de rodillas sirviéndole.

      • brad on December 16, 2020 at 4:47 pm

        @Alida. Agreed. I copied and pasted into google translate, but if that is even half-right, then what you intended to say is so true.

  44. Chloe on October 6, 2020 at 7:51 am

    About the judging part. At church you hear the pastor talk about really important things. It is not judging it is letting them know how to change their life through Christ. Only a part of the sermon seems like they are judging you. But after that, they usually talk about the love of Christ and how He can free you from your sins. Yes, some people are lukewarm Christians, and that is where people sometimes get the wrong ideas. But I have been hypocritical before, I know that I have, but those were mistakes in the past. From now on I try to watch what I say or write. Just because you do not believe in God does not mean He is not real. You will see him when you die. He will either say “Well done my good and faithful servant.” and you will go to Heaven, or He will say “Depart from me, for I never knew you.” and you will be sent to hell to burn in the lake of fire. It is never too late to accept Jesus into your life. I am not saying this to judge you. I am saying this because I want to see you in Heaven.

    • vince on October 6, 2020 at 10:38 am

      Non believers may be feeling the judgement from God, not people even though they do not believe. Jesus was either who he said he was, or not. The Bible is either true or not…..it is up to each one of us to decide. God will never force himself on people. Just remember if God is real, and he is, it is the most important decision you will make in your life. You owe it to yourself to seriously answer this question for yourself. Eternity hangs in the balance…..

      • Bobby G. on October 8, 2020 at 10:33 am

        This is true, Vince. Since we have the Holy Spirit in our hearts, just our presence brings conviction. I have witnessed this, sometimes we don’t even have to say a word and non-believers get uncomfortable. It’s the conviction of the Holy Spirit moving and it’s the individuals responsibility to respond in a positive or negative way. Convictions suck in the beginning to say the least but it’s how we know God is transforming us into His likeness. One of the reasons I pray for His convictions to fall on me now. There’s a fine line non-believers walk so they don’t have to choose a side.

        • vince on October 23, 2020 at 9:07 am

          Yes B.G…….we must always be sensitive to the Holy Spirit leading. To ignore it is to miss out on the many blessings he gives us as we follow. Not always easy, but always the right thing. Christians are not perfect but we have a perfect God who loves us all equally. If we follow his guidance the best we can, we will be doing all humanly possible and we can be secure and at peace that he is with us through good and bad times. To not have God or peace in your life is a sad sad thing and all people should seek after God through Jesus. Peace of mind is a great thing to have.

    • Aaron Clausen on October 12, 2020 at 12:10 pm

      Kind of undermine that whole loving God thing.

      • vince on October 18, 2020 at 11:32 am

        God is love, and loves us all. Some of us have a problem with that but truth is truth. Love is not just a touchy feely thing, it is tough sometimes. God knows what we need and gives it to those who ask and trust him. He is the only one righteous and worthy to judge us. He has given us all life….

    • Aaron Clausen on October 18, 2020 at 8:46 am

      Yeah, your message of “hope” seems more like a threat. Not feeling the love.

      • Tamara on October 19, 2020 at 5:52 pm

        Aaron, The God of the Bible is not loud. He will not lie. He is Holy— sinless. He came in flesh and blood in the fullness of His time, to save His people from their sins. He has 4,000 years of history (His story) preserved for us. He invites us to learn from Him. He still insists on an exchange of lives— our life for His. It is up to each one of us if we will take Him in our heart. He will never take back His gift of free will— your life- your choices. He didn’t come to take our place, but to put us into the places He has for us. I’m sorry that the people who claim to love n know Him haven’t been great examples for you. You only need to look to Him. “For I know the plans I hv for u, declares The Lord, plans to prosper u n not to harm u, plans to give u hope n a future. Then U will call on Me n come n pray to Me, n I will listen to u. You will seek me and find me when u seek me with all your heart, I will b found by u, declares the Lord”. (Jeremiah 29: 11-14) …May His Life become real to u.

        • vince on October 20, 2020 at 12:12 am

          Yes…..Jesus came that we might have life, and have it abundantly. He loves us more than we will ever know and wants only the best for us. Life is hard, but much harder without him…..

        • Lilith White on November 19, 2020 at 12:46 pm

          No one can be sinless, ya know. That’s impossible. Just my OpInOn.

          • vince on November 19, 2020 at 2:03 pm

            Yes, no one can be sinless. The Bible says so also….it is why we need God….



    • Hello on October 20, 2020 at 6:17 pm

      Now those are some words that came straight out of Jesus’ mouth and through your mouth. You are very nice and seem like a lovely person.

    • Tristan Z. Haze on May 25, 2021 at 5:35 pm

      Where is the dividing line between one who goes to heaven and one who goes to hell?

      What if I lived my life and graciously and righteously as possible, as an christian hopes to, but don’t believe in god. Am I damned even if I was kind to everyone and generous selfless? It seems kind of a harsh punishment for someone who was like 99% good except that one little detail.

      What about all of us flawed human beings? We’re all good and bad I believe.

      Here’s my story:

      I was a victim of childhood sexual abuse, and had anger management issues most of my childhood. I’ve lied cheated, stolen, been an adulterer, fornicated, used drugs and alcohol, been in fights and said hurtful things to people. Said some racist things before I knew any people of color (I grew up in Portland, OR, one of the whitest places in the country, then moved to Washington, DC, which is like 50% white and 50% people from everywhere). Said some homophobic things before I knew anyone who was LGBTQ.

      I know I’ve done wrong and I regret all of it. I know I can’t take it back.

      I was raised christian but left the faith when I was 13 and never looked back. In the last 19 or so years, after meeting my wife, getting married and having children, I’ve tried my best to be a good person. I feel like I succeed maybe 50% of the time. I still get angry at people from time to time, have trouble forgiving, have lustful thoughts (but never act on them, as I regret adultery and wouldn’t do it again), get impatient, think violent thoughts (but don’t act on them). I feel like I’ve come a long way from where I was when I was young, when I was ……. lost. Mental health wasn’t good back then – untreated Bipolar III – but I take my meds now and am the most stable I’ve ever been. My marriage is stable & I love my wife. She is Bipolar also and we’ve had hard times during our ups and downs, but we’ve always found our way back to each other. I love my kids & try to teach them to be loving and good as best I can. I’ve held down a job steadily for the last 23 years, and I provide for my family. I pay my taxes. I recycle. I donate to charity. I love and honor my parents as best I can. I try to treat everyone kindly no matter who they are, where they are from or what they look like, who they love or what they believe.

      BUT………………I don’t go to church. It is because I do not believe. I can’t. It goes against my nature. I am logical and have a decent understanding of science, and as such I have a lot of trouble reconciling the bible with what I know of evolution, history, and the birth of the universe. Also, I have a great deal of trouble reconciling the teachings of the christian church with its historical record of behavior:

      More and bloodier wars than any other single factor.
      Molestation of children.
      Selling of plenary indulgences.
      Burning “witches” at the stake.
      The crusades.
      The Spanish Inquisition.
      Killing Joan of Arc, despite her being quite devout — what the hell?
      The policy of passivity to the Holocaust.
      Conversion therapy (Seen the suicide rates amongst these poor people? They can’t pray the gay away any more than you can pray the straight away. Conversion therapy only causes gay people to hate themselves. It’s just wrong.)
      Sanctioned homophobia. See above.
      Sanctioned transphobia.
      Biblical justification of slavery.
      The “Troubles” in Ireland/Northern Ireland.
      Forcing christianity on indigenous peoples all over the world.

      Many other examples which I don’t have time to list. You get the point.

      So, riddle me this: I’m not perfect. Neither is the church. Who needs saving? Who can be a savior? I certainly can’t, nor do I have any right to tell anyone how to live their life, or judge them for being unrighteous. It follows logically that neither can the church. If god cares so much righteousness, he ought to clean his own house. I believe the bible says something like “Judge not lest ye be judged yourself.” The old testament god had no reservations about striking down people who sinned. What changed? Jesus was the new covenant? Why did that not change anything about human behavior? Why have people used Jesus’ name to justify further sins? It’s just so hard to find any coherent thread through any of it. It defies logic and belief.

      I don’t think there is anything for me to gain by joining an organization which is just as flawed as me.

      All you folks proselytising here ought to take a long hard look at the organisation you’re backing, and maybe a long hard look at yourselves before you cast any stones at people who probably are no more or less flawed than you.

      Judge someone for being gay? How about you hating on a person for the way they were born. I’ve heard all the arguments about how it’s a “sinful lifestyle”, like being LGBTQ is some sort of sinful vice like smoking or gambling or using drugs or fornicating or whatever. If you were gay, you’d know it’s as natural as any other human bodily or mental trait, like being Bipolar or having blonde hair or brown skin. Easy to judge someone for something you weren’t born with. Could you choose not to be heterosexual? Also the biblical rules about homosexuality were written for a very different time, for a people in danger of being wiped out. They needed to be fruitful and multiply. Gay people at the time had no options for having kids other than adoption, which I’d guess never happened because they were all forced to be closeted for fear of persecution or violence. These rules have no meaning in a world where we number in the billions.

      Judge someone for not being “saved”? By not knowing christ? Tell us we’re going to burn in a lake of fire for not believing as you do? Maybe we don’t want any part of this flawed institution. Maybe christianity looks like mortal sin to us.

      I’m not perfect. Neither are you. Let it be and keep your judgement to yourself, unless you want to be judged in turn by us. Neither one of us REALLY knows what happens when you die. You say we’ll be judged when we meet god and he tells us we never knew him. I say that you waste your lives worrying about something that doesn’t exist and judging others for not believing that same nonexistent thing. No one knows the truth because no one has gone all the way past the pearly gates and come back to report about it. Yes there are NDE’s but they get halfway there and someone/something tells them it’s not their time yet. This is a very common theme amongst these experiences. It happened to my great uncle. A similar state can be achieved by the use of DMT (Dimethyltryptamine) or Ayahuasca (contains DMT), which can be very very real to the person having the experience. DMT is also a naturally occurring brain chemical. It seems logical that these experiences are part of a person’s subjective reality, a natural product of end-of-life brain chemistry which by definition have no relevance outside of that person’s head.

      I’d love heaven to be true. I’d love to sit on high and watch my family members lives far into the future, to see my dead relatives again, to see what becomes of the human race, and to see the vastness of the entire cosmos, aliens, the beginning and the end. That’d all be great.

      Maybe god will forgive me for having trouble believing. He is supposedly merciful and forgiving, and if I tried to live my life as best as I can, that’s got to count for something, especially if I did it because it was the right thing to do, rather than to ensure my place in heaven.

      Let us be atheists be, stop trying to convert us or put us down for our beliefs (or lack thereof) and understand that if people dislike christians it’s because of the judgement, the proselytising and the condescension.

      I personally have no problem with christians as long as they keep it to themselves and don’t try to convert me.

      • gabriela on May 27, 2021 at 4:18 am

        Alma, I agree 100% with what you have so powerfully said here. The smug arrogance most christians live in is damn unbearable, but the silliness of the stone-age fairy tale they’ve been brainwashed with is a CRIME AGAINST LOGIC AND REASON, and the gravest danger we face as a human species. We cannot solve today’s problems with stone-age fairy-tales!
        And now, after millennia in power, oppressing everyone everywhere, and enslaving, committing fiendish genocides and continental-scale theft and environmental destruction in the lands of “non-believers” these fools have the insane unmitigated arrogant nerve to imagine they THEY are “oppressed” just because we occasionally hurt their little feelings with things like logic and reason, and because we truly can’t stand them! Haha, it almost makes one laugh to keep from crying.

        I don’t think there is a problem between christians and non-christians….I think there is a dangerous struggle between the grownups who have a fact and logic-based worldview and the insane immature arrogant small-minded fools who can’t give up their reliance on a stone-age fairy tale that has been thoroughly discredited. We’ve go a bunch of overgrown brainwashed maniacal power hungry people with adolescent minds trying to tell everyone how to live, and what’s “normal” and not….sneaking around trying to hide all of their own “not normal” activities and oppressing the rest of us who aren’t shamefully hiding.
        Keep believing in ancient fairytales if you must….but leave us grownups alone, please!

  45. name on October 1, 2020 at 12:31 pm

    wow your so stoopid, you just said that when god judges us he doesn’t LOVE us wtf, get real fool. when we teach children what they just did that was wrong it is in judgement. go learn yourself before trying to help a lost person.

    • Mario Milla on October 9, 2020 at 3:10 pm

      IAM MARIO MILLA . I AGREE, AS TRULLY
      GOOD PARENTS WE LOVE OUR CHILDREN AND JUDGE
      THE ACTIONS OF OUR CHILDREN. NOT
      BECAUSE WE DO NOT LOVE THEM . WE DO SO TO DETERMINE A BETTER WAY THE CHILD CAN DEVELOPE INTO A MORE PRODUCTIVE, RESPECTFUL AND
      RESPECTING PERSON THROUGH OUR
      TEACHING AND OTHER MEANS .

      • brad on December 16, 2020 at 4:51 pm

        i think what it means by judging is not judging like in terms of parents, but more so judging constantly, in a non-loving manner, like someone judging a black person for being black, not a parent judging for doing someting wrong

  46. Bobby G. on September 16, 2020 at 3:42 am

    Doug, I agree with you on the gun comment. Christians should be Bible totters not packing pistols. Show’s a lack of faith. As for your comment about the outside world; we don’t view the world the same as people that are of the world. We as Christians don’t look to money, things or psychiatrist for our peace and happiness. Our ne