non-christians despise

Spend two minutes talking to almost anyone outside the Christian faith and you’re almost certain to hear a list of complaints they have about Christians.

The problem has been around awhile.  As Mahatma Gandhi famously (and sadly) said: “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

He’s not alone.

The problem with many non-Christians isn’t that they don’t know any Christians. The challenge is they do.

So what gives?

Many Christians would tell you we have an image problem: we’re treated unfairly, we’re being persecuted, or we’re just badly misunderstood.

I’m not so sure.

It’s not so much that Christians have an image problem. It’s far more likely that we have an integrity problem.

Do we get misunderstood on some issues? Of course. But that’s outside our control.

There are more than a few issues entirely within our control that give us a bad name with people outside Christianity.

Here are 3 things Christians do that non-Christians despise.

Maybe Christians don't have an image problem. Maybe we have an integrity problem. Click To Tweet

1. Judge

It doesn’t take long for non-Christians to tell you how much they hate the way Christians judge other people.

Another two minutes on social media will reveal Christians and preachers condemning unchurched people for their sexual habits and preferences, life-style choices and even political views. I doubt this is what Jesus had in mind when he gave his life in love for the world.

Disclosure: without the mercy and intervention of Christ, I’m very judgmental. And years ago, I realized how devastating judgment and criticism can be to others. So I’m waging a life-long battle against it. Confessing it, repenting of it almost daily.

I realized years ago that very few people get judged into life change. Far more get loved into it.

Very few people get judged into life change. Far more get loved into it. Click To Tweet

It also occurred to me that the presence of judgment almost always guarantees an absence of love.

Think about it through the lens of your marriage, a friendship or even someone you work with: it is virtually impossible to love someone and judge someone at the same time.

But wait, you ask: what if they’re making a mistake and I need to correct them?

First of all, look at your mistakes and the depth of your sin, and deal with your issues first. In the process, you’ll encounter a loving God who forgives you despite your rather egregious sin.

And having been loved, you can love others.

I try to remember this rule: If I’m judging someone, I’m not loving them. You can’t judge someone and love them at the same time.

What would happen if Christians stopped judging the world (isn’t that God’s job?) and started loving it instead?

I believe that’s what Jesus did.

You can’t judge someone and love them at the same time. Click To Tweet

2. Be Hypocritical

There’s a word for Christian who say one thing and do another. The word is hypocrite.

It’s far easier to call someone else a hypocrite than it is to admit you’re one.

It's far easier to call someone else a hypocrite than it is to admit you're one. Click To Tweet

The truth is that as much as I hate it, I’m a hypocrite. My walk doesn’t always match my talk. That’s why I don’t have a fish on my car. When I’m in a hurry and my natural impatience surfaces, the last thing some person God loves needs to see is a Christian cut him off.

Of course, it’s worse than that. I’m not always a loving husband, kind father, steadfast son, patient boss, or even compassionate friend. Like you, I’m a mixture of good and not-really-that good evil.

What did Paul say? Nothing good lives in me. Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord (Romans 7:18). That could be a life-verse for me. Well, actually, it kind of is.

Sanctification is a process that never ends.

I am not who I want to be (yet). I am not who God wants me to be.  But I’m different. I’m changing. And Christ is at work in me.

I believe that’s the reality for every person who calls Jesus Savior.

So what do imperfect Christians do? I mean just deciding you’re not going to make mistakes never keeps you from making mistakes.

I think the answer is simple: you watch what you say.

Don’t pretend to be something or someone you’re not.

I find the more humility I add to my words, the smaller the gap is between who I am and who I say I am.

When you admit your shortcomings, you build a bridge between you and others. Owning your sin is different than living in it; confession is never an excuse for complacency.

Owning your sin is different than living in it; confession is never an excuse for complacency. Click To Tweet

So what do you do if you live in the tension between what you usually say or want to say and what you do?

I think you change both.

You change how you live through the power of Christ day by day (getting better), and at the same time, you change how you talk about your faith, yourself and how you live (adding more honestly and humility to your words). I wrote about things modern Pharisees say today in this post (the Pharisees were an ultra-religious group Jesus strong criticized).

Want a quick fix for hypocrisy?

Accelerate your walk. Humble your talk.

Nothing closes the gap between word and action faster than that.

Want a quick fix for hypocrisy? Accelerate your walk. Humble your talk. Click To Tweet

3. Stink at Friendship

Friendship is hard.

We all have ideas of finding the perfect friends with whom we’ll never disagree, share 1000 common interests and ride off into the sunset with.

Well, very few human relationships ever work that way. Even in marriage, the best marriages are almost always ones in which people have overcome deep and real obstacles to find a powerful love that’s far deeper than emotion.

Perhaps the first obstacle between non-Christians and Christians is that relatively few Christians actively pursue meaningful friendships with people who don’t share their faith. Between churches that offer programs 5 nights a week (leaving little time for Christians to make friends outside the church) and Christians who are afraid of the world, many Christians don’t pursue authentic relationships with non-Christians.

Which means much of the interaction non-Christians have is situational and observational rather than truly relational. They observe Christians in life and at work, notices traces of judgment and hypocrisy and draw all kinds of conclusions. I get that.

But Jesus went so much deeper than that. Jesus pursued friendships with people who were different than him. Whose lifestyles were far different than anything God had in mind for them (or for people in relationship with him).

Yet Jesus was their friend. He went to their house for dinner. They traveled together. They shared moments and meals and life.

It scandalized the religious leaders of Jesus day, and sadly, when it’s practiced authentically, it still scandalizes most of us today.

Think about it. When was the last time you hung out with a sex-worker?

When was the last time you had someone who’s not your skin color, not your political persuasion and doesn’t share your value system over for dinner, or when was the last time you broke bread with an addict (who’s not in recovery)?

Often when Christians do pursue ‘friendships’ with people far from God, it’s more of a project than it is a friendship.

But people aren’t projects; people are people. People can smell it a mile away if you see them as a project, not a person.

Even as you think about expanding the ministry of your church, if you see people as a means to an end, that’s a problem.

People can smell it a mile away if you see them as a project, not a person. Click To Tweet

Which leads us to another tension in our friendships with those outside the Christian faith.

Some Christians do have a relationship with unchurched people. So: how exactly do you talk about faith?

Great question!

Most of us swing to one extreme or the other: either we always talk about faith, or we never talk about. Both are mistakes.

Always talk about faith, and you’re turning the relationship into a project. Never talk about, and you miss the most important thing in life.

Real friendships always drill down on real issues, and few things are more significant than the meaning of life.

How do you talk about? Naturally, organically, in the context of your story is a great place to start.

Real friendships are like that.

Want a simpler place than that to begin? Try this. Just like the person. As much friend Reggie Joiner says, people will never believe you love them if they feel you don’t like them.

Boom.

People will never believe you love them if they feel you don’t like them. @ReggieJoiner Click To Tweet

So Let’s Work On This Stuff

Of all the mysteries we try to crack in life, the mystery of becoming a better, more Christ-like, person is the most challenging.

That’s what my latest book,Didn’t See It Coming is about. It’s all about overcoming the 7 greatest challenges everyone experiences, and no one expects.

Take pride for example. One of the things that makes you jealous, judgmental and bad at friendship is, well, pride. And in most of us, pride doesn’t become an issue because of narcissism, but because of insecurity.

That’s exactly the kind of self-limiting behaviour people struggle with, along with cynicism, compromise, emptiness, irrelevance and more.

Jud Wilhite, Lead Pastor of Central Church, Las Vegas, calls Didn’t See It Coming “the most important book you’ll read all year.”

Brian Houston and Andy Stanley call it ‘powerful.’

Check it out for yourself and grab your copy here.

What Do You Think?

Anything you see that people who are not Christians despise about Christians?

If you’re a Christian, what helps you overcome these issues, and what other issues do you struggle with?

Scroll down and leave a comment!

3 Things Christians Do That Non-Christians Despise

1,149 Comments

  1. Emmanuel on February 16, 2021 at 1:10 pm

    i think the best thing to do is to always say the truth whether you practice it or not, that does not make you a hypocrite it makes you human. Life is not all about your happiness, it’s about hope.

  2. had more than enough on January 31, 2021 at 9:53 am

    Oh, no, it’s super easy, saying what the biggest problem is. It’s that you evangelize and don’t know how to share the world with non-Christians. All you want to share is *your* world — and if people don’t want it, then you try to impose it. It’s incredibly selfish and aggressive, and not infrequently violent. Most recently a few weeks ago.

    Unfortunately, you’ve baked an evangelism mandate into your religion, so the best the rest of us can do is avoid you the minute you start in, and keep using the Constitution to scrape off the theocracy your more pernicious leaders keep trying to install.

    • Kathy Laws on February 4, 2021 at 10:04 am

      This is a good start on an important topic, but it skirts around the core source of why Christians are despised: the faith versus deeds dilemma. In the real world, many Christians think and act as if this gives them license to commit as many bad deeds as they want, without any spiritual ramification.

      • had more than enough on February 7, 2021 at 9:31 am

        No, not at all. Every religion and none has massive hypocrites. That’s just humanity. But Christians, in the West, are uniquely aggressive, relentless, and destructive about recruiting. I’ve never been approached by a Muslim wanting to convert me, or a Hindi. Jews don’t even want you to come near them, they’re fine on their own. None of them are in your face trying to get you to come to their church. They don’t show up on your doorstep with literature or tell you’re going to their hell if you don’t believe. They don’t upend your politics if the entire world doesn’t suit their personal beliefs. Only Christians do that *while insisting they’re the persecuted ones*, which is nuts.

        Be as hypocritical as you want, but leave other people alone while you do it, and you’ll be amazed at how fast the world’s opinion of you will improve.

        • ImTooTiredToCare on February 14, 2021 at 2:10 pm

          Because in Christianity you have to try to convert them or that’s their blood on your hands. Ezekiel 3:18 ESV /

          If I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, in order to save his life, that wicked person shall die for his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand.

          • Terry on February 14, 2021 at 6:23 pm

            ImTooTired…I don’t know if this is your understanding of Christian belief as a non-Christian, or your own personal belief (and you may not care :)), but no, not really…It is certainly our responsibility to tell the gospel to others, but we are not responsible for their acceptance or rejection of it. The next verse reads, “Yet if you have warned the wicked, and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered yourself.” There is a similar passage in Chapter 33.

            As to whether it is our fault that people go to hell, most believe that these words were given specifically to Ezekiel, during the time that Israel was under the law. We are under Grace now, and neither Jesus nor the apostles stated or implied that anyone’s neglect in sharing the gospel would directly result in a person’s going to hell or that it is any one person’s fault that another is in hell. God is bigger than our shortcomings and failures, and while we are urged to obey the Great Commission each person has the witness of the earth itself that God exists, if not the message of the gospel itself. However God’s warning to Ezekiel serves as a reminder to us of our potential roles in saving others from hell, as Jude alludes to in his exhortation to “save others, snatching them out of the fire.”



          • had more than enough on February 17, 2021 at 8:21 pm

            That’s your problem. People have wanted no part of your “obligation” for 2000 years, and remarkably often you guys decide that force is best for making your message — which, I repeat, nobody else wants — stick.

            That’s why people don’t want you around.

            Maybe consider that someone in your religion got it wrong, and that bothering, harassing, bullying, theocraticizing, and killing people because you want them to embrace your religion is a terrible idea. It makes Christianity the murder hornet of religions when it could’ve been something perfectly nice and benign.



          • Terry on February 17, 2021 at 8:42 pm

            HadMoreThanEnough…then why not embrace the “perfectly nice and benign” and not worry about the hypocrites? You are not responsible for others’ misapplication of Christianity, nor will this be a valid excuse when we are all called to account. However I will point out that some – many, in fact – DO want it, as evidenced by the fact that “it” is still here. A faith with no followers is a dead faith.



          • had more than enough on February 21, 2021 at 4:43 am

            For Terry – thank you for demoing the problem s beautifully. Someone says omg stop, we don’t want it, go away, stop forcing yourselves on people, and all you can say is “have more of it and certainly you want it.”

            If you can’t see what you’re doing here, then please stay away from women, too.



          • Terry on February 21, 2021 at 7:11 pm

            HadMoreThanEnough, even being a woman myself I would hardly equate the sharing of the gospel (which is one of Christ’s commandments and not optional, btw) to a man’s unwanted advances. Otherwise I respect your right to reject the gospel (or any faith), and forcing belief on anyone is not my intent or message even if it were possible, but simply to make a point about taking what you acknowledge to be good and leaving the rest.



          • had more than enough on February 24, 2021 at 10:42 am

            Sorry, this is for Terry. Terry, you just can’t resist that least little opening for forcing your views on people, can you. I said there are things about Christianity that could be very nice if you stopped your aggressive behavior. There are all kinds of nice things in the world that are other people’s and that in fact I don’t want, though it’s nice that people have them. But you really can’t resist. Not only do you come out as a homophobe, you want to shove whatever bits of your religion that I’ve said could be nice on me. Let me clarify:

            STOP SHOVING YOUR RELIGION AT PEOPLE. It’s what makes them want to run away from you. If your religion, conveniently for your religion and no one else, says “go convert them”, that is *your* problem, not ours. If you can’t work out the conundrum and refrain from shoving your religion on people, but want to be a decent person and neighbor, seek psychiatric help for prying loose from the grip of a cult that’s got you behaving this way.



          • Terry on February 24, 2021 at 11:20 am

            For HadMore…actually I could resist, Dearest, but this would leave necessary things unsaid. If a forum like this is not the place for thinking people to have reasoned discussions…what is? Dialogue is not served by shutting it down. But by telling me to stop sharing (not shoving) what I believe, you are in effect claiming that you can express your beliefs (or your desire not to believe) while I and others here cannot. My intent is not to offend, but IF I am to offend people it may as well be over Truth rather than anything else. I realize that the message of Jesus coming to save sinners is offensive however humbly offered, and I accept this. But if you prefer not to engage in discussion on the merits (or lack thereof) of Christianity, I would ask why you are still here – ?



        • Jeff on February 18, 2021 at 1:00 am

          Hello there, I just wanted to tell you a bit of what kind of hypocritic I was. I’ve been a back sliden Christian for about 4years. I’ve been a lying, cheating, cussing, drinking, smoking scum for about 4years or more. After my heart attack I kinda woke up, still had to Carry on with of my bad actions. My brother paid me a visits one day and asked if I’ve ever listened to Ravi Zacharias I said yes just to keep him from rambling on about Christian stuff. I did not want that to interfere with me getting hi so I walked out on him! Went to my truck and smoked a joint. Never dawned on me till a few days how I treated my brother who was only looking out for me. Still waiting for a call to go to work when my brother in law asked me to come help him for a bit on odd jobs out of province. I said sure. I’ve lost everything else so why not? I stayed with them not knowing that I wouldn’t be able to use my vises. It was different and uncomfortable but I abstained from my dope, drinking my language abuse and my pornography. Three weeks later I went home for four days. I learned how to fall on my knees and ask forgiveness for the fool I was. I spent three months there. We picked wild edible table mushrooms for $5/lbs.fixed horse fences, cut wood for winter heat. I even caught a ten pound Jack. The thing I want to say is I’ve been a fool. I’m so sorry for the people I hurt. I now have the Holy Spirit living inside me. I now know what it’s like to be real. I do visit my neighbor and the sick and give where I can make a difference. Anyway I wanted everyone to know that I remember where I’ve been, and now I cherish every moment of my life thanks to my King Jesus 😊 I’m not better than anyone and try to listen more and judge less . Thanks for showing my faults. I have learned something this moment and will share these views with other believers!

          • vince on February 18, 2021 at 11:28 am

            Yes, Jesus is only good not bad. People are bad…all of us, and need God to help us. That is why Jesus came to Earth among other reasons. If we let our foolish pride get in the way we are doomed. Jesus said he was the way, the truth, and the life and no man gets to the Father but by him. He was much more than a man, he was God in the flesh. Sounds crazy to people who refuse to believe it. Life is very very short so we should use our time here wisely…..



          • vince on February 25, 2021 at 10:34 am

            Jesus and the Bible will be offensive to many because it convicts people of their sin and they do not like that. Others realize their need for a savior and are drawn to Jesus. You have a choice in how you react to Christians, Jesus, and the Bible…we all have the same choice. Truth is truth regardless of your reaction. There are forces at work much much bigger than we are…supernatural. Life is very short…then eternal life or eternal death. None of this is forced but there for your evaluation. You choose to walk away, or choose to believe. The evidence is there…more than enough, for anyone to discover. I hope all people take this as a matter of life or death because that is what this is all about…….



        • ACriticathinker on March 1, 2021 at 8:36 am

          In response to Terry and had more than enough discussion.

          Terry I think one of the points that had more than enough is trying to make is that sharing your faith is not wrong, but how you share your faith is were Christian have a hard time.
          Ways Christians share thier faith that’s that makes them especially hated

          Examples in online dating:

          A bio for a Christian on a dating site,
          I’m only interested in men/ women that a go to church regularly and Jesus is number one in there life. Don’t bother if you are want something else

          While this information is not judgmental, the way it is communicated is very judgmental. It can be terribley off putting to potential mates because now that person has to pass your judgment standard with out even getting to know them. ( many Christian will say, well I’m not looking for sinners/pegans but the fact you are starting out a possible relationship with this judgmentalism, people that are not exactly like you will stay far away)

          A better way of sharing the same information without being judgmental would be to say:

          My faith in Jesus is very important to me, I regularly attend church, so if you’re not into that you should probably look else where. Look forward to meeting you

          Both examples communicate the same information with second allow the option for dialogue with out judgmental, with second scaring away potential relationship (romantically and friendships)

          Another example:
          Expressing to some else that you disagree with something due to your faith:

          “Insert Scripture ” hey you man, you know continuing to have fowl language like you do will lead you down satans path. (Hell) “insert Scripture” I don’t know if we can continue being in relationship is your going to do that. “Insert Scripture ”

          This is extremely judgmental and is the kind of “sharing of your faith” that will get people posted/ annoyed, dismissive etc. When you talk like this you come across as insecure in your own belief system, so much so that it so fragile you can’t be on relationship with something who believe differently than you.

          A better way of sharing the same information without being judgmental.

          Hey man I notice you curse alot, did you grow up around cursing? Listen to the person story!!!!!!! > When the opertunity presents its self organically something like> I was raised and value my faith and religion. In my religion we believe in laws and proverbs given directly by God or through his priest/disciples/believers (as written in our Bible) we believe these scripture teach for example principles that console that harsh and vulgar language corrupt good manners, as well as in some case be considered sacrilegious.

          In this example you are sharing your faith without being judgemental, and are in fact having a conversation were you mutually learn about a person.

          For some reason, the majority of Christian all to often forget that you are supposed to be “sharing your faith”, not trying to convince someone that your belief systems better or that their beliefs are secreilgous. All to often Christian are overly aggressive, and to focused on changing people making them closed minded and difficult to be around let alone have a normal conversation. In conversation christian fall into talking points all to often as if what they are saying is not common knowledge (there’s a reason why people making fun of Christian can be so accurate), instead of letting relationship build organically. Most of the time Christian are to impatient because they want to change people or be skat of someone elese amazing testimony.
          It’s selfish and alot of times fueled by egotism and naracism.

          What makes it worst is these same people contradict themselves and disagree with eachother to the point that they’re literally hundreds of denomination that believe “they” have the best interpretation of the Bible.

          Add: in televangelist (many who grift their congregation, and live it up in multi million houses) and super church culture that’s more often than not is more about the social entertainment than anything Jesus teaches in the Bible.

          Add: Christianity Historical propensity for killing/raping/ and destroying other religions/culture in the name of evangelism. (native Americans ,lgbt, African slaves,etc)

          I’m ranting at this point, but the bottom line is clearly spelled out in the original article. Most people do not despises your God, in fact they may actually enjoy talking to you about God, judgmentalism is so ingrained in so many Christian that they are just not even fun to be around let alot have a healthy conversations about belief systens.

    • Vince on February 26, 2021 at 11:39 am

      You sound Atheist. So, who created all that is around us? Certainly not you or me. If you don’t want to worship a creator, then tell the creator so when your face to face with the creator. Save your self-righteous teacher mentality for your mirror.

  3. Richard on January 23, 2021 at 1:20 am

    (John 15:19)
    “If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you”
    This is the simple reality and it is this simple!
    There is a big difference between true Christians and those who think they are Christians or just religious. Just like worldly people, there is a big difference and much conflict and division in the world as well. Satan is busy in the church, just as he is busy in the world. So at the end of the day it is Satan and the worldly realm that sucks and not God. Don’t worry what man or the world says as they cannot change the truth of God. Make sure you are on Gods side and live in eternal life, love and peace. By reading many of the comments I see there is definitely no love and peace in this world, but just confusion, deception, anger and bitterness.

    • Letitia Pedersen on February 2, 2021 at 12:52 am

      Thank you 🤗!

    • vince on February 18, 2021 at 11:32 am

      YES….Jesus removes all confusion. Your eyes will be opened, and you will see very clearly when you believe in him. He loves us all and only works for our good though it may be hard to understand at times. Life is short…look to Jesus with an open mind and heart…..

    • Kary on February 21, 2021 at 12:20 am

      Yes Amen. Christian’s are not perfect . We battle the flesh. This is not an excuse, but reality. I messed up so much and needed Grace to move on as a Christian. God was faithful and the Holy Spirit confirmed that He is still with me as I felt so condemned for my sins.

      At the end of the day the world expects is to be perfect and let’s face it we under a microscope. We have a commission to preach the Gospel. It’s not about being liked or not. It’s about obeying God

    • vince on February 25, 2021 at 10:37 am

      Yes, we are in a spiritual battle while we are here. It is evident daily. With Jesus you can win this on going battle

  4. The Raven And The Wolf on January 21, 2021 at 1:52 pm

    Hmm where to even begin.. ok.
    First off, I consider myself to be agnostic/pagan today and I’m in my 50s. I attended christian school for 8 years and with every doubt or question, I was greeted with anger, even referred to as a “satanist” by some other kids, who I referred to as “sheep” (and I still do) First off, if you have the exact same belief system that was taught to you as a child, you are most likely a sheep. Why do I say that? Most muslim kids grow up to be muslim. Hebrew kids, same. Christians, same. Do you suppose it’s just coincidental that the majority end up being exactly as whatever belief system was forced on them as children? And if they grow up and go against those beliefs? Often times, parents will completely remove their own adult offspring from their lives, for DARING to defy the belief system. From my 52 years of experience in life, I now view the church as an evil entity. Why? Well, 1) for the mass murders, raping and pillaging, torturing, etc, they’ve committed over the years against millions of people. I think they should be charged for all those crimes, actually. 2) the church, as an entity is rich beyond belief. Worth Billions of dollars in assets. Tax free, too, how convenient for them.(A money making scheme, yes) 3) let’s not forget the priests who molest children and then are protected by the church as they pay out bribes to the kid’s families so they don’t press charges. By going to church, you support, those who protect child molesters. If your god wants to protect them, I would indeed rather worship the devil,(I don’t believe in a devil either, but the point is made)
    Most christians I’ve met in my years, HAVE NEVER EVEN READ THE BIBLE! LOL The biggest joke of it all. (I’ve read it, cover to cover) But who cares, let’s just head off to sunday church so we can feel all warm and fuzzy about life. lol No thanks.
    Let’s mention the “good book” shall we?
    “Deuteronomy 13: 6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death”
    Don’t tell me the bible is “open to interpretation” lol I love that one. You are referring to the LITERAL word of god. If you were a god, would you want a bunch of talking monkeys “interpreting” your exact words that you’ve told them? Go right ahead, interpret all you want. If anything, the bible was more likely written by your own “satan”, since he IS the lord of lies, and look, the bible has caused greater death(millions) and greater suffering than any other book ever written. Good job, Lucy! I guess he really fooled you, huh?
    Christians are ignorant of the most basic facts of history. One older man said to me as he looked upon easter decorations in disgust. “I dont know why all these people put out those stupid rabbits and eggs, it’s supposed to be about JESUS” And I said to him. “No, it isn’t. Easter is the celebration of the fertility goddess called ESHTAR(Ishtar) which was a sacred day long before your jesus was ever invented. Since rabbits and eggs are symbols of fertility, they are still used in the celebration of Easter” He just stared at me blankly. Another ignorant sheep. Let me guess? His mommy and daddy taught him everything he knows and he just accepted it, like most others? lol
    Do Christians know that the reason for Santa Claus was to appease the Norse pagans when they converted them to christians? Santa is the God of Thunder, Thor. Same red cloak and outfit, same beard and hair, comes down the chimney without being harmed(Thor is of the element of fire, his eyes are said to burn with fire) Thor had a chariot pulled by goats, Santa has a sled pulled by reindeer, they both live at the north pole, Sant has elves, Thor has dwarves. Even Santa’s reindeer, donner and blitzen? Those names MEAN thunder and lightning. In old German, before he was called Thor, his named was actually Donner. lol Hey christians, you knew all this already, right? The way the old gods and holidays were merged in, when your god was invented? How about the days of the week, christians? Where did they come from? Do you teach you that in sunday school? No? Of course not. Tuesday = Tyr’s Day, (Tyr, the Norse god of war) Wednesday = Wotan’s Day(Wotan = Norse god Odin) Thursday = Thor’s Day(Yes) Friday = Freya’s Day.(Freya = Norse goddess of love) Why did they name all these days after Norse gods? Because they given as concessions when the Norse converted to .. you guessed it. christianity. lol I could go on for hours, because, well, I know a lot on the subject. Am I a history teacher? no. Am I a liberal arts teacher? Hardly. I’m a Norse pagan/agnostic Libertarian who loves guns, fishing, offroad trucks, low taxation, freedom and I have an affinity for Corvids and Wolves. etc. Guess there’s not much of a “niche” for me to fit into. Oh well! At least I am my own man, and my beliefs are MINE, by MY own choice.
    p.s. The bible mentions that god is omnipotent AND humans have “free will to choose”. If you cannot comprehend that those two concepts are mutually exclusive, I’m not really sure what to tell you, but I will attempt to explain it in simple terms. “Omnipotent” literally means he knows EVERYTHING. At the instant the little sperm hit the egg and you began to grow, he would already know EVERY SINGLE detail of your entire life, before you were even born! He would know EXACTLY what choices you were about to make, BEFORE YOU EVER MADE THEM! How could he NOT know?? He’s omnipotent! Maybe most humans simply lack the capacity to comprehend the true meaning of omnipotent, the way they cannot truly comprehend the infinite? I don’t know, I’m not good with people. BUT if your god already knew EVERY tiny choice you would ever make in your tiny little mortal existence, a billion years before the entire earth was even here, how could you possibly have any say in what course your life takes?? HE ALREADY KNOWS! lol He knew whether you would end up in heaven with the angels or in hell hanging out with mister satan. In other words, god made you to be exactly the way you are. Unless you think he makes mistakes? That wouldn’t be very christian of you to think. He is, afterall, omnipotent. Lucifer was an error? God made him that way. He knew all along that his brightest star would fall into darkness. lol Unless god screwed that up, too? I know, I know, it’s all “open to interpretation” etc etc. I know, I’ve heard it all before. You have fun with that.
    -D

    • vince on January 21, 2021 at 3:13 pm

      WOW…It is really not too complicated so I will try to keep it simple in my small amount of intelligence. God if we believe him, is all powerful,all knowing, omnipotent as he has said he is in the inspired book the Holy Bible. He knows all things about all people before they were ever born yes, including who will believe in him. We, however do not know these things. Yes, we all have free will to choose to believe in whatever we want to. We are told in the Bible if we believe it to be true, that we are to seek God with all our heart as if seeking for treasure. God is good it says, and much much more. Will we understand the Bible in it’s entirety? No, we will not and that is not the intention. It is here for us all, smart, and not so smart and it has enough in it for our salvation. We do not have to understand it all. It comes down to simple …..very simple faith that Jesus was here and said many things, (“I am the way, the truth, and the life”) as most historian atheists agree he was here. Now even with this simple information you have the choice to believe or not to believe. It is entirely your choice…just you. We all have the same choice in this matter. No one is judging anyone, we all have the same choice no matter the circumstance. The God of the Bible is real or he is not based on what you read, hear, and see. No decision is a decision so hopefully we will all take this seriously as it is..life changing..take a very close look at this before you have no more time left to do so.

      • had more than enough on February 7, 2021 at 9:45 am

        Sure, I thought that was the point from the start. Reading getting you down? Those rabbis @ing you all the time with textual arguments? Try Jesus! No reading required.

        Pity Gutenberg went to all the trouble, though.

        • Rickie on February 17, 2021 at 11:12 am

          Judgmental and hypocritical..you covered those two in the title..how would you know what others despise..?? I despise nothing, although it is difficult at times…

    • Cynthia on January 27, 2021 at 2:58 pm

      Wow, you had a lot to say. Listen, the bible seems to contradict, but really I see two ways of looking at His sovereignty and our free will as not mutually exclusive. God knows all things. I know what omnipotent means. Yes He knows my choices but still they are my choices, made through a series of events. Prayers of others prompted by the Holy Spirit,and God softening my heart and God’s foreknowledge all come into play. In this sense, He chose me first. I made the choice due to God’s love and His opening my mind to see truth. Lots of family prayed for me. That is also part of biblical truths, Paraphrased: The household being saved.I am not a robot, and therefore my mind is impacted by events and I cannot speak to why you feel as you do. Not all that say “Lord Lord ” are saved. The bible teaches that. Therefore your citing all the heinous things done in Christ’s name are not done by Christians. Yet some terrible things are done by Christians, but awful things are done by all people, and Christians SHOULD have repentant hearts daily. That is biblical. Maybe some professed Christians all are not saved as they think. God only knows and if they actually read their bibles, truth will be revealed and a softening of hearts for others will happen with Holy Spirit help. Also, I did become a Christian as a child but did not stay close to
      the faith because it was the faith of my parents which I always fully believed. The real test of my faith came when I went my own way, loving my sin and finally being in bondage from following my own worldly path. One day, when I ended up married to an abuser, I decided to go to a Christian counselor. My years of rebellion had caught up with me and I knew it. When I entered the counselor’s office I heard a voice, strong in my head. “Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you,” As you can recognize from your own bible reading, it is a bible passage, and a promise, given me at 1 pm. When I went home that day, my mother called me from 250 miles away. She told me, while praying for my situation, God gave her a passage for me at 1 pm. It was the same verse. He told her to tell me the time. I knew then, I had my own faith. God has shown up for me ever since. If a Christian is not representing Christ, they are not listening to Him. I pray they hear His voice and follow Him and repent daily. I am just a sinner saved by grace. I do not fully agree with the writer of this article that we are not to point out sin in the bible. I really don’t have a tendency to do this but if asked directly if sodomy is a sin, I would say the bible says so, same as abortion. Truly though, I just don’t tend to engage this way unless directly asked. I DO think love is the answer. I give kindness to any question and really am interested in everyone knowing love and truth. I have a sketchy past and I am grateful for all my lessons including the hard ones. I am not holy, God is. I am just a sensitive person trying to pray for nobody to experience eternity in Hell. I DO believe Hell is a tormenting place with no love and no peace. Since God IS love and peace according to the bible, it makes sense. Please check out “Imagine Heaven” and “The Case for Christ”. You seem very intelligent and well read and since you are still breathing, there is hope for you finding all the answers you may seek.I read the
      entire New Testament and it is my goal to finish the Old Testament. I love the Bible. I love God and I have many many miracles that cannot be explained by man. You should never come to faith because of others(only God saves), you need to ask God to reveal Himself and if you are sincere in that BIG ask of God, I believe He will. My question to you is, if He does, will you be willing to give your life to Him? I sure believe you would be a great asset to the faith and you can call people out for using His name for gain. Remember, we are just people. We did not make the universe and I believe with all my heart, the severe intelligence in creation cannot be denied. Peace and I pray you find answers that will satisfy your soul.

    • had more than enough on February 8, 2021 at 10:12 am

      You’re a white supremacist, is what you are. You’re reciting the whole WS catechism there. You aren’t a pure anything, your DNA is almost identical to a chimp’s, and you need to find different friends online.

    • Ray on February 21, 2021 at 6:00 am

      Hello Mr. Or Mrs. The Raven and the Wolf,
      How are you? I hope you are doing well.
      Say, thank you for sharing all of your interesting tidbits on the history of certain celebrations carried out by people. Thank you, it was interesting.

      With all of your knowledge about such things, does it help, improve, your life, make it more meaningful and enjoyable?

      Say, do you think there is an afterlife? What do you think happens when you die? Where are you going? Why are you going there? Do you know? What are your thoughts?

      Easter eggs, celebration, usually means food is involved, I’m in, I need food, something to eat. Easter eggs are ok to eat for me, yum.

      Take are and have a super fabulous, terrific, wonderful, day filled with good food, like pizza, cheese, pasta, cake, french fries, ketchup, mustard, costo polish sausages, relish, hamburgers, hotdogs, potato salad, ravioli, spaghetti type day!

    • Bob Li on March 1, 2021 at 12:04 am

      AMEN
      Daughter of a priest and I totally agree with you. I have seen my family rather go to a church service with hypocritical scum than take their own child to a doctor. There is nothing benevolent or good in a christian church or mindset. It is just a method of control. Often christians think that no spiritual belief equals no morality. This is skewed thinking. I am also still waiting for some non bilblical evidence of a Jesus actually ever existing. In the end they are no different than any other cult. I am happy that some people are able to find solace in the bible or allay their fear of death but I wish they would understand more of the actual history of their religion. Even the bible they all claim to be literally the “word of god”??? ( written 30 plus years after the fact?) has been amended, miscopied and tampered with. If it makes you happy, knock yourself out, but PLEASE stop assuming that people who is doesn’t make happy are evil or broken. I am happy to let you have your crap to believe in if you are kind enough to leave me and others the hell out of it. AMEN.

  5. J- on January 16, 2021 at 1:04 am

    I was forced off the road by some christian scumbag in his car, had the Jesus fish and a wooden cross hanging from the mirror. After he nearly kills me, this slime wont even deign to look at me. I should have dragged him out of his car and sent him to his lousy, stinking god. I hate christians.

    • Katherine A Johnson on January 16, 2021 at 1:18 am

      Thanks sucks! I’m so sorry that happened to you.

    • B on January 17, 2021 at 9:54 am

      J

      Man sorry to hear that , Yeah Even as a believer in GOD I run into other Christians that don’t do things that I like. You know what I have learned is that sometime the person can just be having a bad day. Someone dying, bills have them stressed, marriage problems or just life man. I am guilty of not doing my best all the time but as a Christian I am convicted later on. Like man I should have done better than that, I should have apologized. Being a Christian does not mean you don’t do things you should not have done ( can’t be a habit either😂) but it does mean something deep inside of you let’s you know, Hey that was not ok and some people are new believers so it takes time to learn how to become a better person. Then you have those who are saying they are Christian but never act like it so if I say I’m good at math and flunk every test, maybe I’m not good at it. Some people claim to be but they are just not good at it yet but hopefully with some practice they will be. Have a great day and I apologize for that person that cut you off and wish you and your family the most Amazing year you have ever had.

    • Thaizü Ringa on January 20, 2021 at 12:22 am

      All Christians aren’t like that, so please don’t hate all Christians.

      • Thaizü Ringa on January 20, 2021 at 12:27 am

        Also, I’m so sorry that happened to you hope you’re living a good life 😊

      • Aly on February 2, 2021 at 8:50 am

        We can though. You’re just like the men who cry “not all men”

    • Becca on January 27, 2021 at 12:52 am

      I totally understand we are all hipocrites. Thats why the bible says we all fall short in this world no matter how hard we try. We can never be perfect. Thats why as a believer, we are not to rely on man to show us the truth. We always have to test the truth for ourselves. This is why we are to have our own relationship with the Lord and allow Him to show us. And thats when he fills us with the holy spirit and to give us a discerning spirit. We all need a savior, Jesus Christ to help us. that person is probably still growing in his faith. We are all accountable for our mistakes and we will be judged individually in the end.

  6. Barbara J Stephan on January 15, 2021 at 9:26 pm

    I can’t argue that Christians don’t always do Christianity perfectly-in fact we never do, and we are not capable of it. If we were we wouldn’t need a Redeemer in the first place. So I get really tired of Christian leaders -like the one who wrote this article-of blaming their fellow believers for the offense non believers take towards Christianity and the church. And then try to say that “it isn’t Christ they have a problem with, it’s the believers.”
    No-that is an excuse to keep Christ out of their life. Because there are plenty of good examples of Christians out there but for some reason, the bad apples get held up as an example of the average Christian. Pointing to a person on judgement day and saying well if it wasn’t for this hypocrite over here I would have gone to church” won’t wash. We will al be held accountable for our OWN sins. There is plenty of sin to go around on both sides. And by the way the Bible does not say never to judge. The second half of that verse is almost always ignored. It says to look at yourself first-THEN show your brother the speck in their eye. So for the non-believer-shouldn’t you worry more about where you stand with God first before pointing YOUR finger? And for the believer-nowhere in the Bible did Jesus ever blame believers for those who rejected Him. He said if [they hate you it’s because they hated Me first.]

    • Katherine A Johnson on January 15, 2021 at 10:36 pm

      That’s very convenient for you, that you’ve convinced yourself that you don’t have to worry about your witness at all since it doesn’t make any difference. If people are turned off to God because of your behavior, you can just say “they just hate Jesus”. You can disavow all responsibility for your behavior. Seems many think it’s okay for us to judge the unbelieving world, and please, don’t even try to claim that’s not happening with regularity, but we can’t even stand up to the slightest accountability with the even a modicum of humility and a teachable spirit? We are too defensive to listen and learn. Your post is actually an excellent example of exactly what this article was illustrating and why it’s needed. “The church” has hurt so many people and sent them running from God, not because they were following Christ, and those people just couldn’t hack it, but because they claim to be and then were blatantly not doing so. Though few are willing to acknowledge that and take any responsibility for their behavior or have any grief over the consequences of that behavior on others. Too bad so sad, is what you basically said, and how does that reflect Christ? When “the church” ends up being more of a tribal affiliation and self congratulatory social club than people showing the grace and love of Christ, then those that are mature, need to hold up the mirror. After all, the Bible calls us to hold each other accountable and not judge the world, but many are far more comfortable with the opposite of that. So much easier and more comfortable than having to be accountable for your own behavior. The spiritually mature do not resist correction, but embrace it, and try to improve their walk. Those that are too hardhearted to hear and aren’t teachable have no hope of improvement. They just continue with deflection and excuses. If you believe your witness doesn’t matter, then you’ll feel quite comfortable making excuses for a bad one and will do more to defile the gospel than advance it.

  7. Scott Matheson on January 15, 2021 at 3:34 pm

    Everything discussed here is less than ideal, but not the reason christianity is failing in america now (christians, being fallible humans, having always had these faults). No, christianity’s fall in america coincides with its marriage to a declining political tribe. To the extent that christianity becomes the tribe of trump (and whoever his successors will be), it will founder as that political tribe, stuck on the wrong side of history as it is, continues to lose popularity. If you are skeptical, bear in mind that most of the world’s population is whatever religion it is because of political/military battles won and lost before the birth of anybody alive today. Politics is, for the most part, religious destiny. So long as the franklin grahams are not corrected by their fellow christians generations of young americans will turn against christianity. So the available choice for christian conservatives is a clear one. If your political tribalism is too important for you to give up, more important than the future prospects of your religion, continue fusing your politics and religion, just be forewarned of the likely consequences.

    It’s probably worth noting in passing here that most of the behaviors that provoke hostility toward christians (their aggression, insularity, hypocrisy) are products of tribalism.

    • Katherine A Johnson on January 15, 2021 at 10:38 pm

      Amen!

  8. Sarahh on January 14, 2021 at 6:51 pm

    We all suck! Haha…

  9. vince on January 14, 2021 at 2:23 pm

    You may have serious anger issues….maybe go puch a pillow..something like that…

  10. Katherine A Johnson on January 13, 2021 at 4:09 pm

    I think any non-believer reading many of the comments here would definitely find much reinforcement for the idea that “Christians” are judgmental, hypocritical and utterly lacking in love or mercy. Some of these folks seem to forget they have no righteousness of their own, and that Jesus said that you will get the mercy you give. Just like the Pharisees in Jesus’ time, they are overly concerned with “the rules”, though of course more for other people than themselves. They’ll say, “I’m not perfect, just forgiven”, which sure sounds like “grace for me and law for everybody else” which is not only a fallacy, it is reprehensible. Is it any wonder why people see us the way they do?
    What if we used the same standard to judge our own behavior? Starting with showing our checkbooks, so we can see what our real priorities are? A Barna study showed that less than 14% of those claiming to be Christians actually tithe 10%, and mammon worship is as common in the church as it is out of it, particularly in the US. What about all those overweight folks, should we insist that they follow a diet program, and hold them accountable for what they are choosing to eat? How about divorced people who are remarried? Shouldn’t we be telling them that God does not recognize their current marriage and they must go back to their original spouse, be celibate or be put out of the church? While divorce is allowed for adultery, the bible never says that means remarriage is okay, in fact in the strictest interpretation of scripture, a case could easily be made that remarriage is not okay, ever, and divorced people must go back to their spouse or remain celibate. How about gun owners? Why do you need a gun, when you are commanded to turn the other cheek, and to not resist if someone wants to take your stuff? I could go on for days, but I think you get my point. You give no mercy; you get no mercy.
    The most notable lack, in these Pharisaical comments, other than love and mercy, is humility and fruit of the spirit, and because of that stark lack, it could easily be said that these people are not following Jesus, themselves, that their witness is polluted and does more to defile the name of God in the world than advance the gospel. Perhaps they are fooling themselves when it comes to their own salvation? Just like the Pharisees in Jesus’ time. And doesn’t that make them worse than unbelievers who don’t claim to follow Christ? (“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.)
    While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Which means we show mercy first. It’s certainly a shame that many wouldn’t walk across the street for an unbeliever, unless they thought they could get them on ‘team Jesus”. That’s not love, that’s actually just tribalism masquerading as faith.
    Perhaps why so many have no interest in God, is because many of the people who claim to be following God are such a horrible example of what they claim to believe. If we’re giving them no grace, why shouldn’t they judge us by the harshest possible standard? After all, they’d just be giving back what they got. And who can stand up to the harshest judgement?
    We all need grace.
    I thought this article was awesome. It showed humility and wisdom. We sure need more of that in the church today.

    • Katherine A Johnson on January 14, 2021 at 4:19 pm

      It sounds like you’ve been really hurt by the church, and I’m so sorry for that. You can hate me, but I do not hate you. I wish you peace.

    • Sarah on January 14, 2021 at 6:56 pm

      True However there are rules. There are consequences as well. But sometimes people are judge mental because they haven’t been in that position before and sometimes they are deeply concerned I won’t have anything to do with it because I’ve already been through something like that

  11. Nate on January 6, 2021 at 8:35 am

    So I have a person of logic and I love to point out irony. I’m not on either side of the fence regarding Faith and religion versus non-believers, but please allow me to point out you’re humorously obvious self unawareness… your first point regarding what Christians do wrong is “judging others”. The name of your article is literally called things that Christians do that non-Christians hate”The name of your article is literally called “3 things that Christians do that non-Christians hate”!! So your entire article is judging “the Christians and that’s the title of the article! Do you not see that? Of course Christians judge and soda you asshole. It’s human nature but there’s a chip on your shoulder and you are just as blind as the people that you’re pointing out because you’re doing the exact same thing. You are judging by definition of the title of your article and buy all the content in the article it’s hilarious how blind all of us are as humans because we always look at some thing from our point of view and point the finger at the “other
    people”. That has nothing to do with God it only has to do with humans and human nature.

    Your second point is hypocrisy. I can make this a pretty small paragraph… Look at the paragraph above. You’re a hypocrite because you’re doing exactly what you’re judging other people of doing. NUFF said.

    And To your third point About Christian stinking at friendship. Well absolutely I agree with you 100% a lot of people in the Christian Community don’t tend to reach out to other communities very often especially the older the person gets. I’m sure there are circumstances where certain Christians could be rude or even condescending to people that they come into contact with in their daily life but again they can just go for any humans that are assholes but I think the vast majority of Christians if you come into contact with them throughout the day are going to be friendly and courteous to the world around them but I would agree that folks active in the Christian community are going out to the bar or the casino on a Friday night to meet new friends there more than likely at a church event or a school event with their kids or staying at home. Agreed they don’t typically actively go outside of their community to look for folks outside of their community….. now I’ll challenge you with this question Because you are listing three things that non-Christians hate about Christians and the third thing you listed is basically saying they don’t outreach well enough they don’t make enough friends with people outside of their community so on and so forth and I have a greed… So you tell me how many non-Christians trying out reach with Christians… Dad say for example how many non-Christians visit their churches and go to their events to try and mingle? Exactly doesn’t happen very much so again you’re pointing out something you hate about another group when you do the exact same thing… And if you can’t see that then you’re a fucking idiot and you’re a presumptuous dumb fuck. If you’re smart enough you would read what I just wrote and you would say to yourself huhhh… that’s pretty much right and I am accusing some other group and I have a discontent for some other group and I do the exact same thing I’m accusing them of then you’ll listen to your own words that you actually wrote and conclude that our lives in this world will only be better if we better ourselves and spend less time being offended by everything else going on around us.

    • Sue Oaks on January 12, 2021 at 8:47 am

      I think i can be a lousy Christian in ways outlined here by some skeptica who have every right to call us out. I love the honesty here. It helps me. I am 70 years old. But have seen a lot so i listen. And i think. I pray for the non believers because i want them in Heaven with Jesus. But my heart is broken for the believers. We have a gob of unfinished business and we need to hear you to be healed. Love you so much! God bless and teach you if you are up to it.

      • Aly on February 2, 2021 at 8:52 am

        I- The thing you said about “i want them in heaven with jesus” rubbed me the wrong way. Which is why I dislike Christians because if God (who my belief says he doesn’t exist) was so powerful would it nor be that all he loves enters heaven?

        • vince on February 2, 2021 at 10:56 am

          People get rubbed the wrong way all the time, every day, but you must think about WHY? Your belief like many others beliefs must be looked at very very closely. If you believe Jesus was here on this Earth like many athiests believe, you have a very important question to ask. If he was here who was he? The Bible was left here all these years never destroyed to tell us about him. Many other books of history tell of him and his witnessed miracles. Not all he loves will enter heaven as it says and he said, you must believe in him and it is your free choice to do that or not….totally up to you and no one else. He came that you might have life, and have it more abundantly. He wants all to believe in him but says not all will. This is the most important issue in any person’s life because your eternity depends on your decision. It may all sound quite strange but the supernatural can appear strange to us. If you just let this go and do not give it close consideration you will miss the most amazing thing regarding the after life. Jesus came that we may have life everlasting if we believe, and nothing you have done or will do will keep him from accepting you…nothing. None of us deserve him, but he loves us all. Hope you will take this very seriously and see for yourself…life is so very short…

        • Lee on February 4, 2021 at 12:48 pm

          I hear this all the time, if God loves everyone, why isn’t everyone saved? Let me first pose this question. Would you willfully allow a murderer, sex offender, serial killer, thief, etc. into your home? God does love everyone, but heaven is not FOR everyone. God, in his infinite wisdom, created us with Free Will. By creating us like Him, he gave us the ability to make our own choices. However, He then gave us a set of rules that we are to live by in order to be close to Him. Those who choose to be close to Him by living as he wishes us to get to return to Him. Those who don’t, don’t. God’s Son and the Messiah, Jesus, said “I AM the Way, The Truth, and the Life, no one can come to the Father, except through Me.” He corrected mans flawed laws and he forgives those who seek him so that all can then have the opportunity to be with the Father, and not just the limited caste of people, the elect, of Judaism. Not only that, but He extended this to EVERYONE who seeks the Father (God) with a Selfless love for His Ways. This parable from the Book of Matthew illustrates this, and this is especially a warning for Christians as well.

          “1And Jesus answered and spoke to them again by parables and said: 2“The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son, 3and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come. 4Again, he sent out other servants, saying, ‘Tell those who are invited, “See, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and fatted cattle are killed, and all things are ready. Come to the wedding.” ’ 5But they made light of it and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his business. 6And the rest seized his servants, treated them [a]spitefully, and killed them. 7But when the king heard about it, he was furious. And he sent out his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. 8Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. 9Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding.’ 10So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good. And the wedding hall was filled with guests.

          11“But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment. 12So he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?’ And he was speechless. 13Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, [b]take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

          14“For many are called, but few are chosen.” Matthew 22: 1-14

          Jesus clearly states that those who seek the Father just to be a part of “heaven” won’t necessarily be welcomed in, because their desire is selfish.

          I could talk about this forever, but I encourage you to simply get a Bible with at least the New Testament and read Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Acts.

    • Katherine A Johnson on January 14, 2021 at 4:26 pm

      I understand what you are saying, but there’s a different standard for those claiming Christ. The Bible teaches that we are called to hold each other accountable but not judge the world. That’s all that’s happening here, and frankly we need to be held accountable. We need to be reminded of what’s really expected and whether or not we’re are truly being the light and showing the world the love of God, not just our own fears and bias. So many have been devastated by people claiming Christ, and to me that’s just an epic tragedy. There’s a couple of very angry people posting here that have clearly been very hurt by “Christians”. My heart is broken for them.

  12. E on December 20, 2020 at 10:49 am

    Whenever I find out someone is Christian, I avoid them like the plague. They act absolutely nothing like Jesus who they claim to follow. Also Christians always seem to be the most morally bankrupt people out there. Cheating on their spouses, their priests praying on children etc. They think just because they believe in a certain thing, they’re automatically “pure”. It’s kind of pathetic.

    • Andrew on December 21, 2020 at 9:27 pm

      Perhaps the biggest problem we face is an”us against them” mentality; both for Christians and non-Christians alike. When we judge an entire demographic based on the experiences we have had with some, it is no better than the racist, the nazi or even satan himself. Look to the left and the right of you, all of these people are your brothers and sisters.

      Life is not easy and sometimes it is easier to pick the simple path when we feel undeserving or that we will be judged by others, but anything worthwhile is not easy. What is truly very simple is to reach out to Jesus and honestly, he is waiting and truly hoping that you will. Do not pay attention to those who try to act as God, but rather have your own personal relationship with Him. It does get harder after that, I won’t tell you otherwise as more is expected of you once you do accept Him and that He loves you so much that He was brutally tortured beyond what any mortal could have endured and still is broken-hearted at many of the things that go on today. But, it is worth it. It is worth it to have a Father who cares about you and wants you to belong to Him. I truly tell you that you will never die or suffer eternally. God keeps His promises and that is something you can always trust.

      Sometimes it is easier to throw the stone when you see others doing it themselves, but by doing this you become the thing you despise and everyone loses. Help God to win and untangle the knots in the hearts of your brothers and sisters. It starts by untangling the knots in your own and remembering we all fall short of God and we all get knocked down by the words and deeds of others, but the important thing is that we get back up. I believe you will, too my brother. Let Jesus help you do that. You don’t need a special prayer or incantation, just ask Him. He’d really like to hear from you.

      The peace of our Father be with you always and am so sorry others have hurt and dissuaded you. I’m in your corner and most importantly, so is God.

      • Terry on December 22, 2020 at 8:53 am

        Amen.

    • Meredith Rietz on December 23, 2020 at 10:23 am

      I came to Christ because it was the Holy Spirit that pricked my heart and I fell in love with Jesus… I wanted more and more of a relationship with him. When I started to see the Christian community however, I was heartbroken. I saw how unchrist like people were and it saddened me because I loved Jesus so much… I saw how believers were missing out on the true love of Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit in transforming their life if one would just spend real quality time with the Lord and give their lives over to him. I also experienced the challenges of being a Christian as my own walk continued. Pride, righteousness, anger, judgment… they would creep up in big ways, like big glaring headlights, and I would have to deal with them on my knees… confessing and repenting, asking God to change me and purify me. It was/is like constant heart surgery being done by God himself. Such is the life long path of sanctification I have learned. Needless to say I am so far from perfect but I can see where God is at work in my life… I am being transformed from glory to glory by a perfect God. I think there are far too many christians who are not really seeking God… they want all the perks of being a Christian without living the lifestyle of a Christ follower. This is why Christians are highly unattractive for the most part to many people (and they should be… it’s unchristlike). Jesus himself had a lot to say about being lukewarm or a person that is super religious in deed but rotten in their heart. Truthfully, if it weren’t Christ himself that wooed me into a relationship with him… whereby I experienced a soaking of his love and power which led me to surrender my life to him and stay surrendered… I would be highly disenchanted with Christianity at large as well. This is what I tell people though… don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. I pray for my brothers and sisters in Christ as well as myself. I try to look at myself before I look at others… “God change me” sort of thing. I can only pray to live as an example of Christ… that people will see his light within me and know his love because of my submission to him. I care about Christ being revealed in me the most that others will come to know him. I am deeply sorry for what you have seen in the Christians that truly aren’t Christ followers… I pray for the sake of the world and the sake of the kingdom that God will deal with each of us (Christians) in a way that brings glory to his name. Thank you for sharing your honesty.

      • Somebody on January 5, 2021 at 3:38 pm

        Why didn’t I feel or meet this who you call Jesus?

    • Jay on January 7, 2021 at 8:08 am

      I Absolutely agree with your comment..I’ve been screwed over by so many Christians I could write a book about it..you can’t trust them because they believe they can commit crimes and be forgiven by their so called God and a man named to”Jesus .

      • mikie on January 7, 2021 at 10:50 am

        exactly… just now i finished my religion class and i’m catholic.. my teacher was disrespecting my religion about popes and stuff like that. they judge all the time because of what others believe in, and what i’ve heard, that’s not how a christian should be acting. they should respect other religions because it’s only right. and they say that they’re great people, smh.

    • vince on February 2, 2021 at 11:06 am

      All people are a mess and need help. Keep your eyes of people and on Jesus who was perfect and came to save all of us if we believe in him. It is quite simple his message but very hard for many to give in to him. A spiritual battle rages within all of us and who wins it depends on you and what you do with Jesus. No person is too bad to be accepted by Jesus and we are all bad and need help. Jesus has changed many lives and even people who believe in him are working daily to overcome lifes issues. It is all about Jesus and who he is and what he has for us, not other believers. People will never be perfect here but Jesus is. Don’t pass up the chance to see who he is and what he can do for us all. He loves us as he said many many times over…..

  13. Guest on December 18, 2020 at 5:33 pm

    Not sure there are many divorced Christians that boast proudly of their sins like the alphabet soup crowd.

    • E on December 20, 2020 at 10:46 am

      Nope. But they still act high and mighty, even though Christians are usually the most morally bankrupt people out there.

  14. rose budzyn on December 10, 2020 at 7:51 pm

    Andy Stanley. Boy if that doesn’t say it all.

    • Fu on December 11, 2020 at 12:12 am

      “When was the last time you hung out with a sex worker?”
      A typical Christian would answer: “the last time my wife was out of town” or “when I saw my mom.”

    • Mike on December 12, 2020 at 1:52 pm

      Great! However, the problem I have with this article is that it is unbalanced and is only one half of Christ’s gospel message. So what as Christians are we supposed to do? Turn a blind eye towards sin? Yes, Jesus taught us not to judge (hypocritically) but He also taught is to judge (righteously). Are we now to have the attitude that accepts and even affirms a non-believer’s sin, such as LGBTQ? Transgenderism? And say to them, “That’s ok, I love you, God loves you, and no problem, carry-on, without speaking the truth? Jesus warned sinners, saying unless you repent you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. We are commanded to take a stand for righteousness, holiness, to take a stand against sin. We can do these things in love. In fact, if we don’t warn the lost about hell, about the penalty for their sin, we don’t truly love them. Jesus never sugar-coated His gospel like the writer of this article has. Let’s get back to Biblical Christianity, folks!

      • Ty on December 13, 2020 at 6:28 pm

        agreed 100%

      • D) on December 14, 2020 at 6:22 am

        I KNEW we were gonna have a homophobic piece of trash on here I just knew that some imbecile still believes this crap, sorry man got something to tell ya, you can’t pass off your hate of LGBTQ+ people on your main man Jesus because as a matter of fact sexual orientation was never ever mentioned in the Bible (the one normal non cult like Christians read anyway so if it was mentioned in yours then you’re reading the wrong one) I like Christians just as much as I like anyone else but people who hate people just because of who they love that doesn’t fly, I truly don’t t understand how some people don’t understand why people hate Christians, if only some of the people that ask that question could read the garbage you spewed. Well it’s about time to wrap this up so I’ll finish it off by asking a question, If I proved that the Bible said nothing about sexual orientation would you stop hating LGBTQ+ people? The answer is no but I just wanna see what idiotic excuse you give.

        • vince on December 14, 2020 at 12:20 pm

          God loves ALL people equally…ALL people. We are ALL sinners and need God the Bible says. God is love and he wants us to love each other…even our enemies he says. As difficult as this might be for some people, it is what God wants for us. We CAN do it in and with his help. In these strange times we live in we need God more than ever. I hope we can all reach out to God…..he is our ONLY hope……

          • Angela Bright on December 18, 2020 at 2:31 pm

            I agree with u so completly. U and this article. The other comments r a bit narrow minded. I suppose sometimes it’s hard to see the big picture. I read, I mean really read that article 5 times. I felt every word of it. It hit home big time.



        • Terry on December 14, 2020 at 12:39 pm

          Hi D)…I’ll let Mike speak for himself but I will make a few points in regard to what has already been posted here, as you seem new to this thread. 1)Your main point seems to be that Jesus never addressed sexual preference/orientation directly, which is correct to our knowledge (although He likely said many other things that weren’t written down). No “cult” version of the Bible here. But who was He addressing when He did speak, most of the time? The Jews. His own people. They already knew the OT law which declared many behaviors to be sinful. His main points were about hypocrisy and legalism – that sin was also a matter of the heart and not merely one of outward behavior. He didn’t address sexual issues beyond lust, fornication and adultery because He didn’t have to. You ask if Christians would stop “hating” LGBTQ+ people if you could prove the Bible did not address these topics; well, what if Jesus DID call out homosexual behavior (as it’s not just a matter of who people love) as sin – would that settle the question? Or would some still insist that “Jesus didn’t really say that…that wasn’t what He meant…you’re twisting His words,” etc. Jesus said a lot of controversial things that make people uncomfortable, but many want to sweep these under the rug and embrace only the comfortable things He said like loving people and doing-unto-others. My point is to suggest that the problem is perhaps our desire to put Jesus in a box and define what He was about to our own ends rather than take a serious look at our own sin. 2) Even though Jesus did not address this topic directly, it doesn’t mean that the Bible as a whole does not. Let’s just toss the entire Old Testament aside for a moment, to avoid the whole “Old Law/New Law” debate, and focus on Paul’s writings. No, Paul was not Jesus but Christians believe that he, like other men who penned the Bible, was hand-picked and directly inspired by God – and thus his words are just as legitimate as Jesus’. Paul’s audience was different however as he had been commissioned to take Jesus’ message to the Gentiles, whose cultures did include aberrant sexual behavior as part of everyday life. In his letter to the church in Corinth he did reference homosexual behavior as not only something unbecoming a follower of Christ but also what some of his readers “WERE” – i.e., that they had been rescued out of this sin like the fornicators, thieves and drunkards he also lists had been. His letter to the Romans makes similar comments. You are free to disagree with anything you read in scripture but you can’t claim that it doesn’t address this issue. 3) Disagreement or presentation of truth does not equate to hate. We’ve been told by the Surgeon General for decades now that smoking is hazardous to our health, but this does not mean that he has a personal vendetta against smokers. This is simply a warning that our choices have consequences, and while LGBTQ+ behavior (note that I describe the behavior, not the person) is NOT the worst of all sins or any different in God’s eyes from lying or drug addiction, it is nonetheless a sin; and sin separates us from God – but like all other sins it is forgivable if one repents and allows Christ to save him from it. 4) “Homophobia” is not a word, except perhaps by the literal definition – “fear of same things,” i.e., “homo”=same (as opposed to “hetero”=different) and “phobia”=fear. If anything this word references a fear of identical twins or matching socks, but fear of LGBTQ+ people (if people could be defined by their behavior) as if they were scary monsters lurking in dark alleys or under the bed…is not a thing.

        • brad on December 16, 2020 at 4:34 pm

          That’s not true. In 1 Corinthians, Paul writes: Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men. Also, just because many Christians disagree with homosexuality, does not mean they hate them, albeit that there may be some Christians that hate homosexuals. BUT, this is against what Jesus said, as we are told to love one another, and love our enemy, so they are bad examples to go by as Christians. I hope that clears some stuff up. Also, agreed, mike, vince and terry.

          • brad on December 16, 2020 at 4:35 pm

            BTW when i said that’s not true i was answering D), not terrry



        • Michelle on December 18, 2020 at 6:51 am

          I would ask what Bible are you reading actually? Because sexual orientation and trans are most definitely mentioned. And the Torah was extremely strict on this. But it was also strict on many things that the world struggle to hear and comply with. Which is exactly why the Torah’s laws were made in preparation for the Messiah. God knew very well that as a result of the curse of sin that our flesh struggled with his Laws. We cannot achieve perfection no matter how hard we work for it. Only God is perfect. And only perfection can have a relationship with him. Thus we can only have a spiritual connection with the Creator through Jesus who made the ultimate sacrifice to restore this relationship. Jesus can read our heartfelt spiritual desires over desires of the flesh when we seek to follow him. The Holy Spirit guides us when we pursue The Way (Gospel). So then when God sees us he is really seeing Jesus perfection. I tend to explain the Bible as a manual. It’s there to inform us of how of the manufacturer designed everything to work at peak performance. It also covers troubleshooting when the design doesn’t function as it should and why. So when we start going against the recommendations and doing things our own way problems will inevitable arise. And we become broken as a result. Jesus is our Warranty. We will never be perfect but to be able to grow spiritually is an eternal journey and blessing we recieve through the Blood of Christ. Now I am a sinner with a very shady past. I have broken all his commandments. So I am gratefully reminded that God forgave me for it all every single day. When I stopped doing it my way and started following His Way my thinking changed as well as my life began to turn around. God did for me what I could not do for myself. Does that mean I will not ever suffer? No. This world is broken so ofcourse not. But I have begun to see things more through God’s lense the more time I spend with him. Jesus came to save us from an eternal life without God. A life we choose ourselves because we often enjoy the quick fixes that the flesh can offer leaving us spiritually dead to God. He didn’t come to stop our suffering while we are here. Infact suffering (if understood through scripture) can facilitate our spiritual growth.

          • vince on December 18, 2020 at 11:41 am

            John 10:10……..abundant life….I too have a very messed up past as many do. My life was completely changed by God like thousands and thousands of others. So so thankful my life was changed and saved. A daily walk now……



        • AJ on December 18, 2020 at 12:29 pm

          Actually in the Bible in Leviticus it states that no man shall lie with man. Being gay is a sin, not anybody deserves to be hated because of it but it isn’t okay for schools to teach that it’s just okay to be gay, sure if you are then you are but clearly it’s a sin. That’s why Adam and Eve were made (just two genders) by the way. Not a million different ones that don’t even make sense. But have a blessed day.

          • Timothy on January 4, 2021 at 11:10 am

            Yeah Well not everybody is religious and not everyone has to be religious, it’s natural to be gay considering everything on this planet has a gay speicies. The world is becoming more open and that’s good you saying that it’s wrong is criticizing gods creation of humans and animals. Sthu and let people be who they are, your aren’t woke. Your just a judgmental peice of crap oh and your homophobic, nice. (I’m straight so it can’t be that hard to be kind to others)



          • Thinker on February 10, 2021 at 12:36 pm

            This is a very interesting conversation. I have always had questions regarding sexuality and Christianity and I don’t see them addressed here. Do you believe a person just decides to be heterosexual (or homosexual)? If a person doesn’t naturally (after going through adolescence/puberty) have feelings/desire toward a sexual relationship with the opposite sex, should they go ahead and do it any way — get married, have sex with their spouse regularly, in accordance with God’s will (as commonly interpreted in Christianity) — even though they don’t feel that desire (and may even really dislike it)? Or should they remain unmarried and celibate, and try to cope with the loneliness that can bring? Can a person somehow make him or herself desire a lifelong sexual relationship with an opposite sex spouse, if that is not there naturally? What other options does such a person have (in keeping with a Christian life)? Out of all the billions of people that have ever lived, was/is every single one naturally heterosexual — or if not, should they force themselves into a lifelong heterosexual marriage or just be single (and probably lonely)? I’m just really curious about these questions. What is someone like this supposed to do, really, from a Christian perspective?



        • Mitch Winters on December 21, 2020 at 1:07 am

          there are at least three passages that refer to homosexual activity: Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10. A fourth passage, Jude 1:7, is often interpreted as referring to homosexuality. King James Version (1611): “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind”

          The phrase “abusers of themselves with mankind” translates arsenokoitai also rendered “sodomites” (YLT), or “men who have sex with men” (NIV). Yes GOD Loves ALL, NOT YOUR SIN! Beware, lest ye end up in Hell. Repent, call upon the name of the Lord. Not hate, I love ALL people, NOT their SIN! PS> I have fornicated with both sex’s….. God wasnt pleased, Jesus Saved my life! God bless.

      • Gi on December 14, 2020 at 12:14 pm

        Why is it that we have to view the LGBTQ+ community as way worse of sinners than anybody else? I’m just curious, where in the bible does it say homosexuality is worse than any other sin? If you’re gonna convict them of their sins, then treat everybody the same. We’re all sinners and you can’t be the judge of which sins are okay and which ones aren’t. So if you find it necessary to send gays to conversion camps, do the same for liars, adulterers, and pretty much every sinner. Sorry if that doesn’t make sense.

        • Terry on December 14, 2020 at 1:03 pm

          Gi…again, not to speak for Mike but I imagine he was using this as an example of what judging means (or doesn’t mean) for followers of Christ. But you are correct in that no sin is “worse” than any other. However Christians are often forced to focus on particular issues because they are brought to the forefront by some who would wish them to be accepted as normal and healthy. People don’t generally defend lying or adultery (to use the examples you cite) except in isolated, extreme cases; thus there is little need for debate. But when a lie is presented as truth (and if a lie is told often enough and loudly enough, people start to believe it) the body of Christ must choose whether to go along with it or confront it, lovingly and head-on. And this counter-argument, that God doesn’t make mistakes in regard to gender and that all people are made in God’s image and can choose, not being animals controlled by instinct…is what might be interpreted as “hate”. But there is such a thing as a “camp” for sinners…it’s called church.

          • Gi on December 16, 2020 at 5:35 pm

            Okay, thank you for sharing your answer. I understand, God bless.



        • Guest on December 18, 2020 at 5:32 pm

          Not sure there are many divorced Christians that boast proudly of their sins like the alphabet soup crowd.

        • Doug williamson on December 19, 2020 at 12:05 pm

          Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

        • Mitch winters on December 21, 2020 at 1:18 am

          If you want a serious answer just youtube search ‘is sexual sin worse than normal sin’. We are in the apostasy. The great falling away from the Word of God. Also see my answer above. Simple answer is “all fall short of the Glory of God’ we have all sinned, the penalty is death, living in sin & denying the Savior Lord Jesus Christ is what will lead to the 2nd death. You Will meet God, and without the Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, you will not be blameless when you meet God & you will be punished. Hell is to be followed up by a place in the lake of fire for all eternity.

      • Brian Lennon on December 19, 2020 at 5:40 am

        You’re such a sick person. Justifying your natural prejudice in language from a book written by flawed human beings just like you and me. God is so much bigger than you can possibly imagine. In a book so broad you can pick and choose what to believe, ask yourself why you wouldn’t choose to accept others and love them as they are. Could it be because your’re terrified? Of literally everything that doesn’t resonate with you? I live in a country that’s largely athiestic and they don’t think LGBTQs are living the right way either. Except they just call it unnatural. They don’t have to use their “faith” as a pretext for “righteous judgment”.You are a foul excuse for a Christian, much less a Loving human. And make no mistake, you will have to answer for your sin when your spirit leaves this world. And you may not be headed where you think you are, Mike.

        • vince on December 21, 2020 at 10:49 am

          The important question is if God is who he says he is….real….un real. There is very much evidence he is real. Creation, the universe, science, chance, odds, the Bible, peoples lives COMPLETELY changed. Enough to warrant a look in to this whole issue yet many will never consider it or research it. Much of what is written here and in this article will make very little sense if you assume there is no God. One day we will all know the answer to that question. God says we are in a spiritual battle here and those who do not believe are in a state of confusion so to speak. God is not the Author of confusion the Bible says. We are all in this together and together we can help each other…God wants that for all of us…he cares and gives us free will…choice

      • Casey Smart on January 10, 2021 at 8:34 am

        I 100% agree

      • Katherine A Johnson on January 14, 2021 at 4:55 pm

        Maybe we need to “get the log out of our own eyes first”, and stop expecting an unbelieving world to conform to our morality because it makes it more comfortable for us to live here, and honestly that’s what our moral judgements look like most of the time. They seem to have very little to do with God and more about tribal affiliation and a way to determine who’s in and who’s out. It seems to me the reason so much emphasis is on gay marriage or abortion is because many of us can safely say that’s not us. Whereas we tend to give a lot of grace for things that we might actually be guilty of, like divorce, gluttony, gossip and greed. This is the very definition of hypocrisy. Of course actually everyone is a hypocrite, Christian or not. We all espouse values we then fail at following. It’s certainly not the exclusive domain of Christians. However we do seem to have a tendency to be more focused on “other people sin” than our own and with less grace than we hope to receive for ourselves, which is a very dangerous place to be, because Jesus did say “the mercy you give is the mercy you will receive”. So you’d think that we’d be very, very full of mercy then, but in general that does not seem to be the case. More grace and definitely much more humility is needed. We are not the moral police of the world, and when we take on that role, we almost always sacrifice the love of God in the process. Driving people away from God, instead of attracting them to God. Mother Teresa once said, “humiliated and defensive people never change”, and yet judgment and shaming is frequently the “go to” methodology in the toolbox of many claiming Christ today. Judgment and shaming is certainly not what lead me to Christ, it was the love and grace of God.

    • Mike on December 12, 2020 at 2:09 pm

      Excellent, Nate! People, Christians as well as the unsaved, completely misunderstand the Bible passages where Jesus teaches about judging others. There are two types of judging, (hypocritical) judging, which is judging based on a person’s physical appearance, or we being guilty of the same sin we are judging others for, or in a self-righteous, condemning way, vs (righteously) judging others as Christ commands us as Christians to do. Identifying sin in a person’s or persons life, letting them know God’s view and remedy for those sins, and that their sins will keep them out of heaven, alienating them forever from God’s presence. This (righteous) judging, if done in a spirit of gentleness, humility, meekness and in love will plant the seeds of salvation, whereby the Holy Spirit will convict people of their sin and draw them to Jesus Christ with overwhelming love. This is how I got saved and came to the Lord nearly 45 years ago.

      • Tt on December 13, 2020 at 6:34 pm

        agreed 100%

      • Matthew on January 15, 2021 at 4:45 pm

        One Christian to another, here are some points I humbly submit for your consideration. I hope you’ll reflect on them in the light of prayer.

        Within the framework of our very religion we have been arguing with one another about righteous vs immoral interpretation of scripture, and about whether scripture is alone the most important reference point, or how it overlaps with tradition, with experience, etc. We have been arguing over whether it is even right to refer to the Bible as the “Word of God” given that this title for the book is not, itself, biblical (not as biblical as, say, that Jesus is the Word, which cannot be reduced to paper). Though I am not a Catholic, I’ll quote John Paul II (who himself, knowingly or not, is quoting German Lutheran theologian of the early seventeenth century, Rupertus Meldenius): “In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity.” We have been arguing, in the main, about what is essential vs non-essential, and forgetting in the process to be charitable.

        You write about “identifying sin”. In so far as we’re talking about the “sin” contested here by you and others (the alleged sin of homosexuality), let’s consider: “There are seven texts often cited by Christians to condemn homosexuality: Noah and Ham (Genesis 9:20–27), Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19:1–11), Levitical laws condemning same-sex relationships (Leviticus 18:22, 20:13), two words in two Second Testament vice lists (1 Corinthians 6:9–10; 1 Timothy 1:10), and Paul’s letter to the Romans (Romans 1:26–27). The author believes that these do not refer to homosexual relationships between two free, adult, and loving individuals. They describe rape or attempted rape (Genesis 9:20–27, 19:1–11), cultic prostitution (Leviticus 18:22, 20:13), male prostitution and pederasty (1 Corinthians 6:9–10; 1 Timothy 1:10), and the Isis cult in Rome (Romans 1:26–27).”

        The point is, there is no way for any one person to read the Bible objectively. We will each of us see from our own contexts. This is, of course, why we are best advised to do so under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Two points follow this, the first of which is that, in light of our inherently subjective views whilst reading the Book, we cannot simply transpose quotations from it into current contexts (even undisputed ones) and expect harmony to result, nor to expect to be met with, “Oh, yes, I see a Bible quote, now I know their statement is true.” The second point is that, if we are advised as Christians to read the Book in light of the Holy Spirit, how do we do this? We can of course begin by trusting the interpretations of those who’ve come before us whom we trust have been guided, but we cannot expect others to trust our tradition without their prior conversion (for those maybe reading this who are not Christian, conversion not under duress, but true conversion as the interior changing of the heart, which is God’s grace that no man can compel). But relying on tradition’s answers to provide for what is absent in our own experience is what leads any non-Christian to say, “Hypocrite.” If we can’t live it, we can’t say it, not even followed by the flaccid appeal to our sinfulness. The short of it is, the Book provides nothing without the Spirit; and while we can claim that Biblical inerrancy implies it is permeated with the Spirit, this claim cannot provide for others what they cannot see in our own lived behavior. I’m talking about the absence of “all in Charity.” the Bible’s status as inspired is not a bludgeon to be used on a non-Christian; it is riddle for the Christian who faces a confusing text within it (as the Fathers did, who recognized that every word in the Book has more than one meaning; which to prioritize? see Augustine’s notion of “caritas”, that interpretation which leads to love of one’s neighbor and of God).

        Certainty is not confidence, it is delusion. That is precisely the crux of faith, in the first place. When God walked Creation as Christ, “Hell” was not Hell, it was Gehenna, that rotting wasteland outside of Jerusalem where all the trash got dumped and there was nothing resembling care or beauty or love or dignity. And now we have Infernalism masquerading as Christianity. Certainty that I understand precisely what sin is, that I understand precisely what the Bible’s one and only implication of what action is a sin under which circumstances, this is delusion. If I practice what our Savior has said, if I pray as he taught, do as he taught, love as he taught, and I feel the grace of God in my life and see it in my relationships, I can trust my interpretation of some particular passage of scripture that lead me to praxis in the first place. But if I say, “Of this I am certain,” then I have, I attest, committed idolatry. Because we worship our certainties by the power we give them, and if we cannot even be certain of God as the empiricists would require us to be, but “merely” Faithful to God, we cannot by any measure be certain of a phrase from the Book in our understanding, or of the method we employ to convey that perspective to others.

        I do not mean to imply we do nothing. As you say, “if done in a spirit of gentleness, humility…” etc. and when I read those words I wondered to myself, “How would Mike actually DO that?”

        And this is how I believe it better done: that we include the maligned and misunderstood and abused phrase, “Maybe.” Maybe it’s like this, try it and see. Because whereas Christ spoke with Authority, we have not the authority to forget to be charitable, if even Christ did not forget to be charitable. And the charity that I believe would, like a holy fool, “win” more of the world for Christ, is the charity of uncertainty (not Doubt, which is cynicism, but Faith, which is trust), of saying, “I don’t know. I have faith.”

        The moment we claim to “know”, especially about the nature of another’s sin, especially in the act of allegedly righteous judgment, there is no room for God, because we’ve crowded the Spirit out by our rigidity.

        Ironically, this is my own attempt to “righteously judge” another, as it were! I may be wrong, may God have mercy. I don’t know. I simply submit that we can follow Christ without claiming “to know”–to require the “proof” of our certainty as Thomas of little faith wanted proof from Christ, in place of faith. If you want, Brother, try it and see.

  15. pet friendly apartments cedar falls ia, on December 5, 2020 at 5:11 pm

    Your style is very unique in comparison to other people I have read stuff from.
    Thanks for posting when you have the opportunity, Guess I will just book mark this blog.

  16. chase on December 4, 2020 at 5:06 pm

    hi, im a teenager and growing up in a christian household ive learned some things but not all. I dont want to ever offend anyone so if im ever wrong on anything I say please please correct me, I do not know everything about the bible, I am a christian but i just felt like sharing after scrolling through the comments for awhile. I feel like theres a lot of hatred today, towards all regardless, as this is a cruel world. recently on apps ive seen a lot of hate towards christians and the faith itself and growing up with major anxiety this has really taken a toll on me the past few days, because im scared ill lose friends. i myself have no problem with someone who is homosexual, or believes in something else, i welcome it actually. i made a promise to myself to love all regardless of race, creed, sexual orientation, beliefs, etc. im sorry if anything ive said has offended anyone i just want to talk, i see a lot of christians being misunderstood but i also see a lot of people forcing some things onto others, i believe anyone has a right to believe in what they want to believe in. im completely fine with having friendship with those who believe in something else, are homosexual, that stuff. a common argument i see is the “you arent respecting us why would we respect you”. i feel like nowadays a minority is being viewed as a majority, if something has been experienced multiple times, it will be believed that all are like that, like the stereotypes some believe in. i just think some need to not view christianity as a whole as bad, yes i do fully agree there are a lot who come off as more arrogant or trying to condemn others for the way they live, and i just hope that one day there can be more of a love between believers and non-believers.

    once again im sorry if what ive said offended anyone, that was not by any means meant to offend anyone, i just wanted to get whats on my mind in a comment and see what anyone else has to say, i welcome any and all opinions, i hope everyone has an amazing day, thank you! 🙂

    • Susan Joy on December 5, 2020 at 4:23 pm

      Hi Chase, you’ve been brave to write the post – well done! You’ve raised some good points – we can all accept each other, even if we don’t agree with different lifestyle choices.

      Jesus told us people will know we are His followers by the way we love each other. Love is an action – it’s what we do. Imagine if we who call ourselves His followers, did that! Have a great day brave Chase and thanks for sharing some love. 🙌🙏

    • nate semlick on December 8, 2020 at 2:10 am

      Hey chase, my name is Nate and I also am a Christian who is 16. I too have noticed what you explain about the increased hate towards Christians online and also what you view as a judgmental view from Christians. If I understand you correctly you believe that there is a minority of judgmental Christians who are not representative of the larger body of Christians values. This minority proclaims judgment on homosexuals, sexually impure, Muslims, and others. This you believe to be not the true nature of Christianity which is to love others and not hate. I hope I can clear up some questions you might have. Firstly you rightly recognize that Christianity is a religion of love. We are too love others. The confusion comes in what love looks like. I can see that your definition of love is based on the modern definition which goes something along the lines of “Jonny loves to smoke weed all day, and play video games. And as long as his choice doesn’t hurt anyone, I , as a good friend must “love” him by supporting all his decisions.” This however is not Biblical definition of love. The kind of love we find in the Bible is one that wishes to improve others and hopes for their good. 1 Corinthians 4-5 says “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.” but it does not achieve the well being of others by encouraging their sins. Romans 12:9 says “Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good”. As Christians we must condemn sin in order to bring about the best for our friends. That is why Christians seem so “judgmental” because in a sense we are and that is nothing to be ashamed of. What you might notice is that those who claim to not be judgmental make judgments of those whom they think are judgmental. Being judgmental is not bad in itself. The truth in your claim comes from Christians who don’t condemn sin to help lead their neighbor to repentance and salvation but instead to boost their pride and ego. They think themselves so much better than homosexuals or Muslims, but in doing so form an even worse sin; that of pride. So I would hope that those Christians as you note are a minority and that most Christians wish for the good for their fellow being. Whether that is the case I do not know. I hope I cleared a little up for you. If you want to contact me my number is 3609896523. Have a wonderful week!

  17. JH-Mech on November 9, 2020 at 8:56 pm

    Deep thinking

  18. Kenneth Gray on October 30, 2020 at 1:43 pm

    I would like to answer the question of how to prove God exists.

    First, let’s think about this; according to scientific evidence there can’t be an explosion without at least 2 separate things interacting with each other.
    – matter + matter
    – matter + energy
    – energy + energy
    Even the most explosive materials need something else to cause them to explode.
    Taking the fact that you need 2 things for an explosion; How did the Big Bang occur? For this discussion we look at the Big Bang Therory. This is basically that there was nothing which then exploded into everything. Scientifically impossible.
    For this discussion we will say that the Big Bang did occur. First, what exploded? If there was nothing to begin with – nothing + nothing = nothing. Anything multiplied by 0 (nothing) = 0 (nothing)
    After this truth is embraced; Second – where did the ingredients that caused the Big Bang come from? Something or someone had to put the 2 ingredients there in the first place. Even if you don’t believe in God, you can’t argue that everything came from nothing. There had to be a being/force greater than us that caused the Big Bang to occur. That is God.
    I hope this helps someone to see the truth that there is most definitely a God. Thanks and may God Bless You, in Jesus name, Amen

    • William Starck on November 21, 2020 at 5:48 pm

      that dosnt prove he or she exsists

      • Rain on November 29, 2020 at 1:06 am

        Well someone would of had to start the reaction/make the universe. They would have to be a being that has always lived and is eternal (in imo)

    • Bobby G. on December 2, 2020 at 11:50 pm

      For the nonbelievers that think science without God is possible need to go listen to DrJamesTour on YouTube. He’s pretty much the lead Synthetic Organic Chemist in the nation. Not one scientist has came up with a fact that contradict the Bible, only theories. Peace and Love to you all

  19. Panda Mech on October 23, 2020 at 3:36 am

    You are all more confused that when you started. If their were an almighty diety (or 3) why would he make his(or their) existence so difficult to understand and why would he pit the 3 religions of the same roots that seek his (their) guidance and blessings against one another so they set out on centuries of destruction of one another and themselves? It seems no one takes the Commandments seriously. American christian’s that own guns will be the first to be rejected at the pearly gates. No one can own a gun without fantasizing about using it and we all know that thinking it is as bad as doing it.

    • Bobby G. on October 23, 2020 at 6:41 am

      Panda Mech
      The full understanding of who God is will not come until the end. What little understanding we do have of Him is only gracefully giving to us through the Truth that comes from the Holy Spirit. If there was a full understanding of who he was there would be no reason to seek him when we face hardships throughout our lives. We would already know what our future would hold, then there would be no true meaning to life cause we would be like God ourselves. God wants to be glorified for everything he does in our lives. If we were completely like Him we wouldn’t need to give Him the glory cause we would be full of pride and ignorance. There would be no need for God.

      The only reason there is so much division is due to human nature wanting things to be a certain way and the deceiver of course loves this division. It’s through the teachings of Christ as to how we’re to treat one another whether they believe or not. What moral standards people have today have been passed down through generations from the people that believed what Jesus taught. When people come to the truth of Jesus they won’t have religion they will find out that it’s a relationship. Jesus was one of the biggest rebels to religion in his day and it’s why he was hated by the religious leaders. He sat down and talked with sinners, had dinners with them, had compassion for them. Religious leaders despised him for it, yet he done it anyways cause everyone has a right to be forgiven. It’s when we see ourselves as sinner, then we see a need for a savior and it comes through Christ.

      • vince on October 23, 2020 at 8:55 am

        Yes, and God gave us his word as a guide (Bible) to learn more about him and what he wants for us. God is never against himself as is clear in his word. We can understand the basics of what he wants for us but not all. There has to be room for faith. Without faith there would be no Christians. So, we people are like Sheep gone astray in this world as the Bible tells us and we ALL need a shepherd to guide us through life. We will never be perfect here on Earth in this life, but will be perfect in heaven eternal as is stated in His word. Man and his pride is a great barrier to knowing God. We have to be humble like little children and have faith he loves us as he has said. It is not complex nor does it take high intelligence. It does take a little faith and it is NEVER a blind faith. He left his word that we would not be blind……….

    • Leif Erickson on October 29, 2020 at 6:46 pm

      Christianity is a lie. Christians are delusional.

      • Bobby G. on October 29, 2020 at 10:32 pm

        Leif Erickson,
        I use to believe the same. It’s not until God actually worked and moved for me in my life that I became a believer. Your view is a fair one if you haven’t attempted to believe for yourself. All I can say is don’t knock it till you try it. Jesus was murdered for loving you more than himself. May God Bless you with His presence by the power of Christ Jesus. Peace!

    • Michael on November 11, 2020 at 9:36 pm

      If you follow the history the Muslim faith has nothing to do with Christianity. And the Jewish faith now that exists is not the Jewish faith that existed 2000 years ago. It’s a completely new religion. Different beliefs different system. God didn’t put these religions against each other. Men did. In my faith orthodoxy. We Believe that God became man so that man can become god. Also there’s three different persons one essence. God the father is Spirit. The word the son became flesh. And the Holy Spirit existed in the holy persons. Three different persons one same accents. Very simple not hard to understand like most make it seem to be. God is complicated but at the purest form God is simple. We have three enemies ourselves, the devil,
      And the world. We are changed by all three of these or controlled by all three. We cannot be our purest self because of our passions and our sins and or desires. But everything that this man or female has written it’s true. But in thinking that one’s self can fix it that’s where they go wrong. I as orthodox Christian call on God to help me to know myself and to know him. And to ask him to help me to be better. Because without him I can do nothing. The ones that think they can are controlled by their egos. And there’s a limit to what they can do. But with God there is no limit. There might be limits in this life. But even then they’re mostly only limited By our belief.

  20. Anonymous on October 19, 2020 at 7:14 am

    God and Jesus both suck.

    • Bobby G. on October 29, 2020 at 10:35 pm

      What makes you believe that?

      • William Starck on November 21, 2020 at 5:53 pm

        apart from the holy wars and the homophobia, nah religion is great

    • Amanda on November 24, 2020 at 3:24 am

      If you’re brave enough to make that comment why have you hidden your name? My name is Amanda!!

    • Alida on December 11, 2020 at 9:31 pm

      Es obvio q no sabes lo q dices. Que Dios tenga misericordia de ti y aunque tu post sea anónimo, Cristo te llame por tu nombre y termines de rodillas sirviéndole.

      • brad on December 16, 2020 at 4:47 pm

        @Alida. Agreed. I copied and pasted into google translate, but if that is even half-right, then what you intended to say is so true.

  21. Chloe on October 6, 2020 at 7:51 am

    About the judging part. At church you hear the pastor talk about really important things. It is not judging it is letting them know how to change their life through Christ. Only a part of the sermon seems like they are judging you. But after that, they usually talk about the love of Christ and how He can free you from your sins. Yes, some people are lukewarm Christians, and that is where people sometimes get the wrong ideas. But I have been hypocritical before, I know that I have, but those were mistakes in the past. From now on I try to watch what I say or write. Just because you do not believe in God does not mean He is not real. You will see him when you die. He will either say “Well done my good and faithful servant.” and you will go to Heaven, or He will say “Depart from me, for I never knew you.” and you will be sent to hell to burn in the lake of fire. It is never too late to accept Jesus into your life. I am not saying this to judge you. I am saying this because I want to see you in Heaven.

    • vince on October 6, 2020 at 10:38 am

      Non believers may be feeling the judgement from God, not people even though they do not believe. Jesus was either who he said he was, or not. The Bible is either true or not…..it is up to each one of us to decide. God will never force himself on people. Just remember if God is real, and he is, it is the most important decision you will make in your life. You owe it to yourself to seriously answer this question for yourself. Eternity hangs in the balance…..

      • Bobby G. on October 8, 2020 at 10:33 am

        This is true, Vince. Since we have the Holy Spirit in our hearts, just our presence brings conviction. I have witnessed this, sometimes we don’t even have to say a word and non-believers get uncomfortable. It’s the conviction of the Holy Spirit moving and it’s the individuals responsibility to respond in a positive or negative way. Convictions suck in the beginning to say the least but it’s how we know God is transforming us into His likeness. One of the reasons I pray for His convictions to fall on me now. There’s a fine line non-believers walk so they don’t have to choose a side.

        • vince on October 23, 2020 at 9:07 am

          Yes B.G…….we must always be sensitive to the Holy Spirit leading. To ignore it is to miss out on the many blessings he gives us as we follow. Not always easy, but always the right thing. Christians are not perfect but we have a perfect God who loves us all equally. If we follow his guidance the best we can, we will be doing all humanly possible and we can be secure and at peace that he is with us through good and bad times. To not have God or peace in your life is a sad sad thing and all people should seek after God through Jesus. Peace of mind is a great thing to have.

    • Aaron Clausen on October 12, 2020 at 12:10 pm

      Kind of undermine that whole loving God thing.

      • vince on October 18, 2020 at 11:32 am

        God is love, and loves us all. Some of us have a problem with that but truth is truth. Love is not just a touchy feely thing, it is tough sometimes. God knows what we need and gives it to those who ask and trust him. He is the only one righteous and worthy to judge us. He has given us all life….

    • Aaron Clausen on October 18, 2020 at 8:46 am

      Yeah, your message of “hope” seems more like a threat. Not feeling the love.

      • Tamara on October 19, 2020 at 5:52 pm

        Aaron, The God of the Bible is not loud. He will not lie. He is Holy— sinless. He came in flesh and blood in the fullness of His time, to save His people from their sins. He has 4,000 years of history (His story) preserved for us. He invites us to learn from Him. He still insists on an exchange of lives— our life for His. It is up to each one of us if we will take Him in our heart. He will never take back His gift of free will— your life- your choices. He didn’t come to take our place, but to put us into the places He has for us. I’m sorry that the people who claim to love n know Him haven’t been great examples for you. You only need to look to Him. “For I know the plans I hv for u, declares The Lord, plans to prosper u n not to harm u, plans to give u hope n a future. Then U will call on Me n come n pray to Me, n I will listen to u. You will seek me and find me when u seek me with all your heart, I will b found by u, declares the Lord”. (Jeremiah 29: 11-14) …May His Life become real to u.

        • vince on October 20, 2020 at 12:12 am

          Yes…..Jesus came that we might have life, and have it abundantly. He loves us more than we will ever know and wants only the best for us. Life is hard, but much harder without him…..

        • Lilith White on November 19, 2020 at 12:46 pm

          No one can be sinless, ya know. That’s impossible. Just my OpInOn.

          • vince on November 19, 2020 at 2:03 pm

            Yes, no one can be sinless. The Bible says so also….it is why we need God….



    • Hello on October 20, 2020 at 6:17 pm

      Now those are some words that came straight out of Jesus’ mouth and through your mouth. You are very nice and seem like a lovely person.

  22. name on October 1, 2020 at 12:31 pm

    wow your so stoopid, you just said that when god judges us he doesn’t LOVE us wtf, get real fool. when we teach children what they just did that was wrong it is in judgement. go learn yourself before trying to help a lost person.

    • Mario Milla on October 9, 2020 at 3:10 pm

      IAM MARIO MILLA . I AGREE, AS TRULLY
      GOOD PARENTS WE LOVE OUR CHILDREN AND JUDGE
      THE ACTIONS OF OUR CHILDREN. NOT
      BECAUSE WE DO NOT LOVE THEM . WE DO SO TO DETERMINE A BETTER WAY THE CHILD CAN DEVELOPE INTO A MORE PRODUCTIVE, RESPECTFUL AND
      RESPECTING PERSON THROUGH OUR
      TEACHING AND OTHER MEANS .

      • brad on December 16, 2020 at 4:51 pm

        i think what it means by judging is not judging like in terms of parents, but more so judging constantly, in a non-loving manner, like someone judging a black person for being black, not a parent judging for doing someting wrong

  23. Bobby G. on September 16, 2020 at 3:42 am

    Doug, I agree with you on the gun comment. Christians should be Bible totters not packing pistols. Show’s a lack of faith. As for your comment about the outside world; we don’t view the world the same as people that are of the world. We as Christians don’t look to money, things or psychiatrist for our peace and happiness. Our needs comes from the Lord and He continue to prove himself to those that believe in Jesus Christ. It’s like our little secret. And for another secret; the one and only difference between the Christians, Jewish and Muslims is that Christians have Jesus Christ living in our hearts. I know it can be hard to see cause some Christians avoid their convictions, but we are the temple to the truth not a building. Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the Living God. To those of the world don’t see it this way because they haven’t received the spirit of truth. They will remain blind until they come to know the truth. Trust me I’m a living example of the power the Creator holds. I use to be a Nihilist. But until people receive this truth that I speak of, we will continually be ridiculed, mocked, called delusional, told we are hoodwinked and killed because of this lack of truth they don’t have. The true Christian has accepted this though and are content with it, not offended. Don’t be deceived by the lie that none of this exist cause it’s all true. I hope and pray you find spiritual nourishment through Jesus Christ.

    • Doug williamson on September 16, 2020 at 9:44 am

      Well, if Christian’s are not living of and for this world, please explain the cars in the parking lots of the churches in places like Boca Raton, Palm Beach, Wellington, etc. Why are there so many luxury cars? Why is there so much jewelry on display? What’s with the designer duds? It’s all a fashion show to impress one another. If your fake god were half what you say he is, he wouldn’t let any of bible thumpers near his kingdom. The only reason a religious person tries not to sin is fear of punishment and retribution from the Almighty. Atheists have morality out of respect for others.

      • Bobby G. on September 16, 2020 at 4:24 pm

        Doug, This is a reason why I would rather refer to myself as a follower of Christ instead of a Christian. Man has perverted the word Christian just as others have perverted the things God intended for good, like the rainbow or St. Patrick’s day. Some so called Christians are nothing more than modern day Pharisees, “a brood of viper” to say in a nicest way possible. They should give there riches away and actually follow the example that Christ gave us if you ask me. They’ll use scripture to justify there beliefs though. Sometimes it’s why I’d prefer to speak with a non believer than a self righteous Christian. Jesus said “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” Mark 10:25 NIV. But I can say that we are blessed to bless. So if God blesses us with riches we should use those riches to bless others and bring Him glory. There are too many people that are in need and a true follower of Christ should be stepping in to help these people, especially with the resources they have. It blows my mind sometimes that they don’t.

        As for sinning I personally fail daily but I have the risen King that helps me back up and to keep in pursuit of His righteousness. It’s only because of His Grace and Mercy that I continue in the meaningless life, He gives it a means. It’s when we come to the truth that this is revealed to us. Your right though there are a lot of moral people out there that aren’t believers. God understands not everyone will come to believe who He says He is. It’s why He created a place for those that don’t want to live for Him now. He doesn’t force His hand on anyone. If we don’t want to believe and live by his standards here, he’s not going to force us to live with Him for eternity. When He calls is though it’s for our benefit to answer and not ignore Him. When I was a Nihilist I always seen Atheists’ as being a form of religion and I still believe this. It takes some kind of belief system to believe in the non existence of God, just my thoughts. Heard someone tell me one time, “ I’d rather believe and it not be true than to not believe and it be true”. Don’t ever let anyone tell you to be a Christian is easy cause it isn’t. It’s all out war for the true believer and follower. The only time it’s easy is when we learn the truth and except Christ into our hearts. After that war begins cause I war with every part of me to do wrong. The only reason that I would end up in hell will be because of me, not God, not satan, only me. So I just pray you come and fight the right battle cause I’m not your enemy, God’s not your enemy. There’s only one enemy and that is the deceiver and we can’t allow ourselves to fall for his wicked schemes. Prophecies are lining up quick, don’t miss the Great Jesus escape. And if you don’t remember this conversation cause I can’t imagine the war you’ll have to go through to reach the Kingdom. Peace to you man.

        • Barb on November 16, 2020 at 8:51 am

          Can you imagine what life would be like if we lived as the Corinthians did-pooling all their resources together to live in community with one another?? How wonderful would that be!

      • Ann Lo on September 26, 2020 at 11:17 pm

        “Atheists have morality out of respect for others.” I love this. I get so tired of hearing that if you aren’t Christian you’re morally adrift. Not so. No respectable scientific peer-reviewed study has found that Christians are more moral than non-Christians. There’s no difference. And the secular humanist site where I hang out has some of the most wonderful people on earth. It is absolutely possible to be good, and grateful, and altruistic without God.

        • Connie S on September 30, 2020 at 10:03 pm

          I really like your reply. I often think people who are kind and not Christian are doing more for the greater good than
          Christians l know. It’s there kind words and their help for others that l respect so deeply. I appreciate what you wrote. Also what Doug Williams wrote. It means a lot to me thank you.
          Connie

        • Terry on November 3, 2020 at 8:24 pm

          Ann Lo (and Doug)…It’s already been acknowledged here that there are a lot of “good” people in the world who aren’t Christians, as well as many secular, non-religious organizations that help others. With the world in general being our measuring rod, it makes sense that we’d all be about on the same level morally. And if the point were to be good just for goodness’ sake, this might be enough. The real question is, how do we compare to God? For those who don’t believe in God it’s easy to find an “out” by maintaining a do-no-harm ethical code; but comparing ourselves to an immortal, infinitely perfect being raises the game to a whole new level. Obviously nobody measures up because the standards are so much higher, so the question becomes one of how to make up the difference. By being good-er? By doing some act of penance or self-mortification, either once or repeatedly over one’s lifetime? How can we know how much is enough? We can’t know, but it’s moot because we could never do enough regardless. Christians believe that this is where Jesus comes in. By living a perfect life and then taking our punishment for us, He closed the gap and enabled us to do good in a way that is eternally impactful and not just for today or tomorrow.
          This seems to turn justice on its ear as it follows that horrible people can live mean, selfish lives and still go to heaven if they repent on their deathbeds, while others who are “good” people by all accounts might still go to hell. But grace is God’s gift to give, and those who receive it at the 11th hour miss out on blessings from this life from what good they might have done – good that comes as the result of salvation, not that brings it.

    • Dianna on September 22, 2020 at 1:08 am

      The “True Christian?” What is that? All I see is hate and misogyny. Christians are the most hateful and intolerant people. They can’t even imagine that there are those in the world that get on perfectly fine without their beliefs. They imagine that these people are deceived. The irony is, those of us who are not religious, we view all of you as being in a brainwashed cult. You’re the reason science is being questioned in this current pandemic. You are the people who support a lying tyrant with no morality as the leader of this country. Yet you dare think you are morally better than us! Wow! You have ZERO morals or ethics. You are now a joke. You talk of one thing, yet do another. We see this. We see you. We see your hypocrisy, glaringly now. Christians are the most unethical, most least moral people on the face of the planet, despite your self-righteous blabbering about how righteous you are. You are evil. You are hypocrites. You are the reason we have this nightmare of a president right now that is using your faith against you. He panders to your ignorance and mythology, just like any great cult leader or con man has done since time began.

      How many of you have actually read the whole Bible? I’d bet less than 20%. Read it. Uncritically. You people are the undoing of everything progressive that has happened in civilization. Now you’re clamoring for a Christian Taliban. Be careful what you wish for in applying Biblical Law. Especially those of you who have never actually read the Bible. Surprise!!! Be prepared, especially women, to be considered less-than. Humanity is still in its infancy because of religion. Religion poisons everything. From what we’ve been shown throughout history, and even up to this day right now, even as I write this, religion is an albatross that divides humanity and brings to fore its hatred and hypocrisy in demonstrably horrendous outcomes. Always. Prove me wrong. Just the very fact that most Evangelical Christians support Trump is the nail in the coffin for your cult. You’ve proven that real ethics and actual real-life morality mean nothing to Christians. Your hate and intolerance, of course, is fully advocated within the text of the canonized Bible that even most Protestant Christians believe to be written from the breath of God, but actually written by scribes during the Babylonian exile, scribes writing a fiction, incorporating many of the Near-East ancient mythology into a fictionalized history of the Hebrews. This is how we know what a hateful, genocidal, intolerant and loveless cult it is to which you all adhere; we can still read this mythology and its provenance from more ancient cultures than the Canaanite Hebrews.

      So we will judge you be your works. And yours works, thus far, have proven you to be a most suspicious and despicable tribe of people. The fact that most of you feel no shame for the hate you spew is evidence of how nefarious a people you are. The fact that you support a man who has zero ethics and even less morality shines brightly against your supposed righteousness. We see you. Do you see yourselves? Most likely not.

      • stop on September 22, 2020 at 8:13 am

        LOL I can’t take people who blame all the problems on Christians🤣. People like you.

        • Bobby G. on September 22, 2020 at 8:35 am

          Why have you done this? It’s this kind of behavior that turns people away from even attempting to believe in Christ. I’ve been praying and seeking God on how to respond to Dianna. I will respond on God’s timing not my own. Please seek to be edified.

        • Connie S on September 30, 2020 at 10:18 pm

          People are being hurt and dying from this president that evangelicals put in office and call a savior. Children are torn from their parents and put in cages. The horrors going on in this country is supported and encourage by racist and evangelicals. You don’t seem to have the compassion for this soul, and all the others that God created. If God can’t work through Christians any longer than he will find other kind hearts as sure as he harden yours. Use kind words or the devil will come as a flat tire or being cutoff in traffic, or something like that.
          God bless you, and always bless other so God will Bless you back.

      • Bobby G. on September 23, 2020 at 4:55 am

        Hi Dianna, I’m truly sorry there have been so many Christians that have given you a false narrative on how a Christian is suppose to behave. I understand your point of view cause I’ve been there. I had the same view at one time about Christians and religion in general, and to be honest in some instances I still see it in them, needless to say. The self-righteous don’t like me either. Sometimes I believe they don’t see or they try to avoid what Jesus Christ says, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!” Matthew 7:21-23 NIV. I personally believe these are the believers that we see. Some Christians believe once they are saved they can continue to behave in their old ways. We’re to be transformed into the likeness of Christ. Instead of ask God to bring conviction down own them, they ask for selfish things without having a pure heart or a pure motive. Know that what I have is not “religion” but a relationship with the Living God. I refuse to risk losing my soul over what others do. I use to put Christians on a pedestal and when they messed I’d say, “look how non-Christian they are behaving”. After the truth was revealed to me from Christ “Not man”. His Grace and Mercy was given and I should give it to others as well. After I became a believer it’s when I noticed other believers were no different than me. I was ashamed of how and who I was. It’s then I seen my true need for what Christ freely gives.
        God is Sovereign, without God there is no scientist , there are no leaders, there are no moral standards for us all. God puts these people in there place just like he has you in your place right now. People keep wanting all these things that are not of God and He’s eventually going to take His hand off and let them have what they want. Unfortunately, it won’t be for the best and people will want it to be like it was before but with repentance and petition He is forgiving just as he has always been. I have never voted personally, so no need to categorize me with that group. People tell me I should be ashamed, so I’ll walk in shame then. So to answer your question about a true Christian; they aren’t offended by the things like you have spoken or feel a need to defend ourselves, our reward is in Christ, we receive blessings from this stuff. We face all things with wisdom, knowledge and understanding that only comes from God. We pray and fast for God to change whatever is impure within us and war against every bit of it. Most importantly we want everyone else to see who God is and to be saved through Christ. We want everyone to experience the love He has for each of us. Dianna I prayed for you, don’t let your heart be a heart of stone, let Christ turn it into a heart of flesh. Don’t try to carry all your weight by yourself when you have someone to help you carry it. Draw near to Him so he can draw near to you.

        • SJ on September 23, 2020 at 5:55 am

          Can you guys just except criticism about how the faith is presented, written, or practiced by its congregation without trying to convert people who criticize it? I’ve literally never seen a Christian in my life who hears somebody criticize the aforementioned things, and says “Well if that’s what you believe that’s all right by me. You have a good day.” Even the article to which are commenting under addresses this, and I have seen nothing about that in the comments of people who defend Christianity. That’s one of the things non-Christians despise. Constantly showing into people’s mouths.

          • Bobby G. on September 23, 2020 at 8:00 am

            Sorry I have offended you by my words. I wasn’t defending but only presenting hope for eternity. There is no need for me or any other believer to defend the Gospel because it defends itself. I just seen a lack of understanding on what it means to be a follower of Christ. God helps me to help those that are actually seeking something greater than ourselves and it’s found in Christ. It’s why non believers are even looking into this type of article. The Gospel either offends or convicts I can’t help that, the truth is the truth and it can cut deep. I’m more accepting to non-believers than you could ever imagine. Once again I apologize for the offense. Peace to ya!



        • Connie S on September 30, 2020 at 10:40 pm

          Hi l am Connie and am glad you began your post kindly. Thank you. I like what you said. I do want to add that like is cause and effect as Christ and the old testament explain. You reap what you sow among many other examples. To fear not means to not get the effect of fear. To fear God is to be careful to do as Christ teaches, to love other even if they can’t love us, so we don’t experience the effects of not loving others which is traffic accident more bills hateful neighbors ect. Christ gave us a simple kindheard easy way to get thru life. Love is a thought even without the feeling it is powerful. It leads you. It breaks thru problems if you say it 100 or 1000 time about a person or finance. It’s our belief we battle not outside world. If it takes saying 100 time a day or a 1000 in order to transform problems isn’t it worth changing our belief? Of course l pray always. Even the thought of love is God to me. That’s Christ first commandment to me. Bless you

          • Bobby G. on October 1, 2020 at 2:47 am

            Hey Connie, you are correct and blessings to you. There are past sins that I still reap today because of my very dark past. I remember what it’s like to have a spirit of fear. It felt like everything was pointless, like there was a constant weight on my shoulders to just give up. I had a fear that if I wasn’t around those that were hurting in my family or friends that everything would fall apart for them. Like I was the one that would save there lives and protect them. While all along I was the one dying and in the need for a Savior. I got to the point where I was trying to carry everyone else’s burdens and I couldn’t carry them anymore. It was time for me to give up completely. Right before I started to get up to commit suicide the presence of Christ filled my living room. Oh I was trembling in fear then cause I didn’t know what was going on. He told me to sit on the couch and as soon as I did there was a overwhelming peace that engulfed me. Nothing like I’ve ever experienced before and can’t wait to experience again. He stepped in and rescued me from the spirit of fear that was latched to me like a leech. I actually felt it’s presence leave me too by His mighty hand of course. That’s when I knew I needed Christ to transform me. He has taken the weight I once had away. He showed me that He was the only Savior people really need, I was no kinda savior. People ask why be fearful of the one that saved you? For me it’s a way to show respect cause I know what His mighty hand can do. Plus we as Christians should tremble before the Lord, that’s scripture. As for showing Love I believe in the powers of 3. Love, Love, Love: Love God, Love Others, Love Yourself in this order too. This is where a lot of Christians fail. They get the order mixed up. It also takes 3 to make the Living God. When non believers see 333, it’s a S.O.S. call from God to get to know who Jesus really is, not what someone else has said or taught. That’s when we realize it’s a relationship with the Creator, not a religion. There will always be the blind trying to lead the blind, they’ll just go over the cliff together. It’s just the way it is. But it doesn’t have to be that way once they come to know the TRUTH that’s found in Christ. He hung on so we could let go. That’s True Love.
            Thanks, Bobby G.



      • Asia on November 3, 2020 at 7:43 pm

        I am praying for you may God be with you and cover it saddens my heart to hear so much hate God bless

      • Jay on January 8, 2021 at 4:34 pm

        Just to open up, I’m not a christian. I just felt like commenting on the irony of your entire diatribe… you are condemning Christian hatred and intolerance, yet your entire scathing comment is one of the most hateful and intolerant things I’ve read in recent memory.

  24. vince on September 15, 2020 at 5:54 pm

    You are indeed confused. God is not the author of confusion. If you were to take some time to read the Bible just a little bit you would see these things. Guns have nothing to do with anything in the Bible. Yes, you are a bit confused. My guess is you have no intention of reading or hearing anything regarding Biblical truth or information. You will never undesrstand until you seek…..never….

  25. Amenda on September 11, 2020 at 10:58 pm

    Hi SJ, I usually don’t reply to long comment threads like this, but it seems that you feel bitter about what Christians believe in. I’m sorry if you’ve had a bad experience with certain people. It may be confusing, but please don’t read the Bible with a preformed bias. I myself have misunderstood the text at times. If you genuinely try to understand the text with good resources, it will make a lot more sense. I say this because as a Christian, I wish you could see the goodness and love of God in His word.

    Here are some tips that have helped me study the Bible:
    1) knowing that it doesn’t contradict itself or God’s character (if it appears to be, then compare with other scriptures and look at different resources to better understand)
    2) read in context (this can be historic, poetic language, symbolism, etc.)
    3) know who the author is / what their intentions are
    4) who the audience is

    • SJ on September 11, 2020 at 11:22 pm

      Amanda, I would genuinely love to discuss this sort of thing, but here is my issue: Fundamentally, every time I have a conversation about scripture Everyone will see that certain taps are meant to be interpreted in certain contexts… And it changes depending on what fits the current narrative the person is trying to spin towards me. I would love for you to tell me How I’m supposed to interpret passages about selling your daughter into slavery for example. And why I should apply that today? If the answer is I shouldn’t because it’s in a historical context, then why isn’t the passage about stoning homosexuals?

      • Bobby G. on September 12, 2020 at 5:20 am

        SJ, I don’t mean to offend by jumping into this discussion. First off I don’t believe it’s right to call someone bitter when they are just seeking answers. I’m not a biblical scholar or any kind of debater but I’d like to maybe help you understand a little better. The Bible is kinda like a history book in some cases and other cases we can read things and are like WOW!? How could a loving God allow this to happen? Just like the two bears that mauled the kids that were making fun of Elisha’s bald head. I came to the conclusion that God had to do, what he had to do, to open those kids eyes to the power of God so they may come to know who He is. Thank God we have Jesus for this now. Anyways, “Not everything that God designed for Israel in the Old Testament is the same as what he designs for us today.” They were under the old covenant law. We see the first pointer of how things have changed dramatically in Matthew 5:17, where Jesus says, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” I look at Old Testament to see how God responded and how it points to Christ. Without the Old Testament there’s no need for the New Testament. Under the new covenant with Christ relates more on how we’re to act and love one another in today’s time. SJ, I know that the whole concept can be a lot to take in cause I was once like you as well. The only difference was I never looked to try and find a answer. I was more of a Nihilist. It’s not until God “No Man” opened my eyes to the truth that I began to believe. I’m still growing in the faith today and I don’t have all the answers that’s only found through Christ. So my only suggestion for you is to ask Christ to help you come to the truth. All I really know is Christ crucified anyways. I can say that He has gave me a means to this meaningless life. I truly hope you draw near to Him so he can draw near to you. I will say a prayer just for you so God may place His hand on you as He has for me. Peace to ya SJ!

        • SJ on September 12, 2020 at 6:13 am

          Bobby G. This is why I often refer to Christians as “artful dodgers”. My question was: “if you do not believe you’re supposed to follow every old testament law, such as owning slaves, wearing two different kinds of fabric, and stoning disobedient children because that is put in a “historic context“ and “outdated”, then why is it you cannot extend the same courtesy to OTHER areas like homosexuals, nonbelievers, and women?” This is the question I would like answered if someone could.
          I did NOT ask “ How could a loving God smite an entire city of slave owning people if his people are allowed to own slaves?”, or “Why would God completely ruin the life of Job just to prove a point to the adversary?”.
          Personally I think it’s because a lot of Christians, not all, but a lot of them just find gay people icky and don’t like people who think or look differently from them. And the Old Testament very much affirms their beliefs so they feel justified because their bigotry can be validated from a source that is perceived as divine.

          • Bobby G. on September 12, 2020 at 8:06 am

            SJ, I’ve observed the same from Christians. Even as I am a Christian I still see the judgment cause I don’t line up with every little way of thinking. I just remember what Christ said, we would be hated by all. The courtesy should extend and Christians have a lack of self control which is a fruit of the spirit but If we’re truly seeking God there will be personal convictions placed on us and we’re to repent from those convictions. Not to get other to repent from those convictions. Our first command from Christ is to Love, Love , Love. Love God, Love Others then Love ourselves. Those that are believers in Christ are covered in His blood from the law. Take time to read 1 Timothy 1: 3-11 to get a understanding who the law does apply too. Hope this helps a little.



      • Amenda on September 12, 2020 at 11:27 am

        I see, I totally understand the frustration and I appreciate your genuine desire to discuss openly. People definitely shouldn’t be spinning the narrative to simply support their point, but rather look at what the text is actually saying. By ‘reading in context’, I mean to read understanding the surrounding environment of the text just like how I would read a fictional chapter book knowing that it’s creative fiction geared towards a certain audience. I’m confused by your last question, but for the topic you mentioned on slavery, here is a good resource I found: https://enduringword.com/bible-commentary/exodus-21/
        I’m not assuming that I’m right, but the explanation seems to give a solid understanding here on what slavery was in that culture and time, as well as how we can understand God’s provision of laws to keep people from abusing each other. Hope that helps. If you disagree, I want you to know I respect your take on the matter.

        I don’t usually post in long threads like this is but I think it is good to question, challenge and discuss with each other with the motivation of understanding the text and loving each other.

      • Frank Andrews on September 12, 2020 at 3:17 pm

        Ghandi had it right all along. Christians are full of shit! 😄

        • Bobby G. on September 12, 2020 at 3:26 pm

          Even as fools walk along the road, they lack sense and show how stupid they are.
          Ecclesiastes 10:3 NIV

      • Connie S on September 30, 2020 at 11:06 pm

        Hello l am glad to have read your comment. I hope l can offer help with understanding the Bible a little bit. Christ used figurative wording when he was trying to teach us. He used alogry parable things like that. It’s about developing individual spirituality. Think of children in the bible of course as children but also as your thoughts. Symbolic terms are brainchild or the lightbulb. Just as husband and wife in individual tees mean a person conscious and subconscious mind in the bible. It’s about our states of mind. Christ told us to love God who is love and to love others. Fasting can mean from food but often more beneficial if we fast from harsh and negative words. Selling your child into slavery for an individual is letting your thought be held captive in hate or fear bitterness greed things like that. Sto ning people whatever symbol you want to use means to end the thought that is going to hurt you. Christ told us to love people. We are more evolved and don’t live in clans more educated and less superstitious than those people Moses and Joshua has to lead. We only have our unruly thoughts, and help lead our families unruly thoughts. What ever symbol they use in the bible to represent behavior isnt for us to condem others but for us to be in balance and stay sane.
        God doesn’t hate people do. The Hebrews stoned all kinds of people. They were going to stone Mary Magdalene.
        Connie

        • SJ on October 1, 2020 at 5:42 am

          Connie. I understand what you’re trying to do. Really I do. However, I think a lot of non-Christians actually understand metaphor and symbolism, I know often times Christians think that they are the only ones who understand that. You are not speaking to somebody who hasn’t read the Bible. I had to read it a few times over the course of study literature. I understand how symbolic language works. But I think it’s silly to deny that The rules set out in the old and New Testament that do not work well today were always designed to be “symbolic”. It is a text like the code of Hammurabi which has rules and laws that by today’s standards are barbaric. If YOU don’t interpret them as literal, and you’re fine with people having homosexual relationships and believing in other religions as long as they’re not bad people, then I have no problem with you. MY problem are the Christians and religious zealots who try to use state power to enforce their morality on others who don’t want it, and those who harassed, bully, and abuse those who they believe to be as lesser while they believe they are in the moral high seat.

        • Bob Li on March 1, 2021 at 12:15 am

          God didnnot write the bible. Neither did christ or jesus. It was written after the death of jesus.(no non biblical proof of his existence ) By supposed followers of jesus. The contributions by the apostles do not synch up or match at all on many points. Sorry too break it to you. You ahould be allowed too feel or worship whomever and however you want to. However, the idea that there are correct teachings that people are ignorant of is fallacy. There are hundreds of studies to verify this. The bible is inconsistent and hd been changed, tampered with edited and rewritten by men who want it to allign with their ideas. (for power, for money, for control) I wish it was not true, but it is.

  26. Sharon on September 3, 2020 at 4:39 am

    I grew up in a Christian home/became a born again Christian at a young age -it has kept me on the ‘straight and narrow’ all of my life. Jesus gives me hope when the world around me doesn’t offer any. I put my faith in God not in people. People, even Christians aren’t perfect and sometimes people let us down. I’ve let others down too. I hold fellow Christians to a higher standard, as I expect of myself -with God’s help because life can become too much to handle on our own. I don’t agree with any extremist groups, I think Trump is a joke and is tearing his country apart. Yes, they will know us by our love. Is there a heaven? Ask people who’ve had near death experiences. God says it and so it is true. Do I understand everything in the Bible?-heck no! I am not a Biblical scholar by any means. Just your average everyday Jane trying to get through life. Satan bothers us Christians on a daily basis – it is a constant battle but we are to ‘resist the devil and he will flee from us’. The devil is the god of confusion/doubt/lies. Jesus keeps His message simple for most of us to understand the basics. I find it amusing that Atheists spend so much time arguing their point against something they apparently don’t believe in -yet, seem so threatened by. Why argue against something you deem a fantasy? We have freedom of choice and we aren’t to ‘jam Christianity down your throats’ but we have a right to defend it -if challenged. I prefer to go through life believing in a perfect God..a personal God/Jesus who accepts me and all of my faults/failures. I can only put my faith in a perfect being who is above everyone and everything. Despite these modern times where change is constant -it is comforting to know that God is the same: yesterday, today and always. The Bible survived for over 2000 years – that is a miracle in and of itself ; considering you can’t even get 2 people to agree on anything! Proof? Jesus’s tomb was empty/He died on the cross/rose again – history has proven it!! Christians exist all over the world – all believing in the same message of hope and eternal life. He did exist and still does! You need proof that something we can’t see, exists? What about this virus?? We are saved by faith not by works. Then we choose to do the good works as a result of our faith. Until the world can offer me something better, I’ll choose God -every time!! (thanks for reading). I sincerely hope that you feel God’s love the next time you visit a church. We are all equal, according to God’s Word. We don’t ‘bite’ – I promise. (There is cool music too!) Peace and love to all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq1qGMyl3eQ

    • SJ on September 4, 2020 at 11:41 am

      The issue that people like me have with the mindset in this article is that this article pretty much tries to give sneaky ways to slide Christianity down the throats of people who don’t like it or have been told they are monsters by their flock. You’re looking at somebody who is both the former and the latter. Article talking about talking to people about faith during events, Like weddings or funerals. Playing a wolf in sheep’s clothing in order to gather more to the congregation, rather than letting anybody believe what they want

      • Terry on September 4, 2020 at 2:23 pm

        Um, no(?)…that would be a SHEEP in sheep’s clothing, if people are being transparent about what they believe and try to offer hope in given situations like funerals. A “wolf in sheep’s clothing” is a false teacher who tries to pass off a distorted but “acceptable” version of the gospel, like “all good people go to heaven,” or “God wants to give us everything we want in life.” The true gospel is inherently offensive even if presented with humility, and is more likely to drive people away than “gather more to the congregation”. One can certainly add to the offense by being arrogant in his presentation even if the theology is correct, but in any case people are still free to believe what they want regardless of the message.

        • SJ on September 4, 2020 at 2:27 pm

          I think about it. You don’t seem to find it *slightly* predatory To see a friend who is in mourning or might be vulnerable and then trying to draft them into your spiritual army? Not at *all*?
          And you didn’t even address the second part. The scriptures that people believe in, no matter how good the intention,, take people like me, who are born in a different way, And unironically believes that without hurting anybody we deserve to be sent to a Demiplane of smoke and torment.

          • Terry on September 4, 2020 at 3:35 pm

            I agree that expecting an on-the-spot conversion from someone who is in mourning or has suffered some trauma is a bit much; but we are called to offer hope to the hurting in form of words, actions or both. And this SHOULD be in the context of an ongoing relationship, not just somebody’s “project” as Carey points out. As for your other comment, the truth is that we ALL deserve hell no matter what the sin, uncomfortable as the idea may be. The world’s standard for good and evil is “victimhood” – whether our actions are harmful to others, which seems reasonable; but the standard in scripture is God Himself and there are many “hidden” sins that may never affect others but are sins nonetheless – greed, pride, lust, envy, hate, gluttony – because they are violations of God’s character and they are harmful to ourselves. It’s easy to point at an “external” sin and condemn it, but we are all guilty. I suppose the reason that certain behaviors are singled out is that they are presented as acceptable by popular culture and the Church must choose between going along with this lie or confronting it with truth. The message often gets bungled but the point is that Christ offers hope of a way out even if we can’t see it.



        • SJ on September 4, 2020 at 2:37 pm

          I am curious however… Are you someone who believes in the literal interpretation of the Old Testament? If so, I would check with your clothing is made out of… Or your dietary habits. Wouldn’t want to end up in the dimension of eternal smoke and torment now, would ya?

          • Terry on September 4, 2020 at 6:45 pm

            I did see this but had to leave off posting for a little while to attend to other things…So first, there is a difference between interpretation and application. And no, that’s not a cop-out but a legitimate and widely-used Bible study tool. Interpretation asks, “What does this mean?” while application asks, “How do I live this out?” One or both questions can be hard to answer but using the body of scripture, its overarching story and the tenets of the gospel (AND the Holy Spirit) as our guides we can find answers that most Christians agree on. For example, we take the story of Jericho as a literal, historical event that really happened – that’s a literal interpretation. (Some passages are interpreted figuratively, but that’s for a different post.) But how do we apply it? We don’t conduct the same kind of warfare anymore or even engage in much hand-to-hand combat, so what do we do with a story about marching around city walls and then yelling? We can interpret the story literally but apply it figuratively: Faith in God brings down walls. We can storm fortresses with Christ on our side. The mark of the “scarlet thread” saves us. These are just the few applications I can think of. We ask what different passages meant to the original audience, and then ask how to apply them to modern times. Some applications are the same or similar, some are different.

            As for OT law, I do interpret it literally. God really expected His people to follow them and there were consequences for not doing so. But when it comes to application, we ask why God made these laws to begin with, how they applied to ancient Israel and how they apply today. Some were symbolic in pointing ahead to Christ – the sacrificial laws, for example. We don’t apply these by literally sacrificing sheep and oxen because Christ already made atonement for us and the symbol is now obselete. The law against wearing blended wool and linen was also symbolic as it was meant to remind the people to keep themselves morally pure and not divide their worship between God and idols. Dietary laws would also fall into this category as unclean foods would make the eater spiritually unclean. (However many believe these guidelines to be nutritionally sound today and that it is wise to still follow them even if foods like pork and shellfish are no longer forbidden.) Other laws were moral, such as those regarding theft, rape, murder and lying as these are in contradiction with God’s character which doesn’t change – which is the reason they still apply today. Slavery was permitted as an alternative to killing the nations they encountered, which was the default as God knew Israel would be unduly influenced by surrounding cultures and drawn into idolatry (but that’s another discussion). Also it was temporary, not for life, as slaves were to be freed in the years of jubilee.

            So why do we no longer follow many of the OT laws? It’s a valid question. Again, some were fulfilled in Christ and no longer apply. The eating of pork being ok is easy as God declared all foods to be clean in the vision He gave to Peter – plus Jesus said that what comes out of the body is what makes him unclean, not what goes in. As for laws against wearing blended fabric and the like, I suppose we no longer follow these because Jesus changed our focus from the external to the internal. A major problem with the OT law was that the people paid lip-service to it by following the letter but missing or ignoring the spirit, the intent. Jesus actually raised the bar by pointing out many of the “hidden” sins that the OT law did not directly address. Wearing a tunic made of 100% linen is easy; avoiding the idolatry of placing other things above God, that’s hard. But OT standards regarding protection for the innocent, what we do with our physical bodies and to the bodies of others, honoring our parents, choosing the right person as a lifelong mate and remaining faithful to our spouses (and not just physically) – these are still very important as they reflect the character of God and His relationship with His people, the Church.

            There are still disagreements on application, such as using the OT law against inter-marriage as a reason that blacks and whites today shouldn’t marry (and I disagree with this as the OT law was about faith, not color). And some have strong convictions about drinking alcohol or watching R-rated movies. But the other major reason most Christians now disregard so many OT laws is that if certain behaviors were still sins, the Holy Spirit would have convicted us of these and told us to repent. That is a major part of His job as under the New Covenant God’s law is internal rather than external. But even if a still-valid OT law were inadvertently broken by myself or any other Christian, we wouldn’t have to worry about going to hell because Christ’s death has atoned for this. That was the whole point of Jesus coming and dying for us. This is a dangerous concept as it appears to be a license to sin, but it’s actually freedom to do good where we could not before. God isn’t finished with me yet and I’m sure He’ll continue to refine me as He’s promised, peeling back the layers and showing me new areas where I need to allow Him to change me. Maybe someday He will tell me I need a wardrobe overhaul after all…and if so I’ll go shopping :).



        • SJ on September 4, 2020 at 4:05 pm

          On the subject of those hidden sins, I do sincerely hope that if you believe that everything in the old testament is literal, you follow every single one of those. As you said, you have to call out the lie of popular culture. So I would be genuinely curious on your thoughts of slavery, or eating pork, or wearing blended fabrics

        • SJ on September 4, 2020 at 7:03 pm

          Terry, So you don’t find it odd that the line about blended fabrics was a metaphor for purification by only being near likeminded folks, but not the one about homosexuals, or women, etc. Seems a bit arbitrary to me. Seems also like a very convenient way to absolve yourself of homophobia or anti-Semitism, or pick your poison of bigotry really.
          While I’m on the subject, all jokes aside, how do people who take all of this our old testament stuff literally feel about the fact that they may cause some people to abuse their kids, kick them out of their house, and encourage their children to commit suicide because they happen to be of a certain romantic proclivity?

          • Terri on September 5, 2020 at 2:47 am

            Abusive people don’t need a very old document to justify their abuse. They will abuse anyway and find other excuses for doing it if they feel inclined to offer excuses.
            However it is absolutely our responsibility as part of God’s church to fight against any wrongdoing done in His name & provide safeguards to protect church members from abuse.
            Old testament laws demonstrate by their exacting nature that salvation via rule following does not work because “man” cannot reach God’s perfect, holy, purely good state by his/ her own efforts. This was also the point of the laws, to show God’s holiness at a time of child sacrifice and shrine prostitutes & present an alternative. The people had been enslaved for a long time and adopted unhelpful ideas and practices that needed to change such as statue worship eg gold cattle idol. The Old Testament laws laid a foundation to God’s plans to send Jesus and work salvation through his own love and sacrifice for humanity. Very little in life is simple, literal and completely at a level that children would understand. Whilst Christ dying to save us is simple to understand as a concept the working out of that event and background to it spanned thousands of years. God is a detailed planner. It occurred to me that the food people shouldn’t eat like pork at that time may have been because of inadequate cooking methods or storage since intestinal worms can occur if pork isn’t cooked correctly. I don’t know enough about the cooking methods of that time period and setting .There are often layers of reasons why God brings about certain things and after following Him for 40 years one starts to get an idea of how he does things! However you read the Old Testament if what is said about God doesn’t match who Jesus was shown by his work on earth then since Jesus reveals the nature and heart of God if there is conflict with that image then clearly we have missed something and need to look again/ do further study. He is the plumb line by which we measure. Terry said a lot of good stuff.
            A lot of people think that the removal of religion goes a long way to solving the world’s ills. Soviet Russia kind of did that and it wasn’t any better. The problem is that man by nature isn’t wholly good and some less than others. Bless those who have lovely ideals and a nice upbringing/ kind nature but as a teacher I can honestly say that education isn’t enough as some hope. We need more. I’ve found that Jesus is a hope that when invested in actually makes a real difference. I wouldn’t still be following Him if there wasn’t a positive impact in real life. He brings about the right kind of change if we let Him in.



          • Aaron Clausen on September 5, 2020 at 8:41 am

            The Old Testament has been giving cover for bigots for centuries. Jesus apparently gave a New Law, but pieces of the Old One can be brought up whenever an adherent wants if they want to justify, say, persecution of homosexuals.



          • Terry on September 5, 2020 at 10:28 pm

            SJ…It seems that we may have come to the core of your struggles with Christianity. I think when someone makes the gospel about one particular sin or issue, he/she misses the point – much like approaching a new diet not with the end goal in mind but by asking, “What am I still allowed to eat?” We could keep going in circles in our discussion but I will leave you with some final points to consider:

            – Accusations of cherry-picking for convenience, manipulation or to justify personal bigotry are not new and have already been addressed here and elsewhere. But if I wanted to stop growing spiritually and absolve myself of biblical standards that I find inconvenient then I’d probably discard most of them, namely that of forgiving people and thinking of others before myself. As a woman I would likely also ignore the standard of male leadership in the home and in the church. Applying commands like not wearing mixed fabrics literally while viewing those regarding deep-seated behavioral/emotional issues as “cultural” and applicable only to a particular time and place would be taking the easy way out, which was the problem for the people of Jesus’ day.

            – The New Testament letters discuss many of the same issues that were called out as sins in the OT; thus these are not merely outmoded, OT standards. In I Corinthians Paul lists fornicators and homosexuals along with thieves and drunkards as what some of his readers WERE – meaning that not only were these behaviors still unbecoming a follower of Christ but that change was (and IS) possible. Some contend that this was Paul’s personal opinion as to our knowledge Jesus didn’t talk about many of these things; but if He didn’t it was because He didn’t need to as His dealings on earth were with the Jews who already knew the OT law and His focus was more on legalism (adding man’s standards to OT law) and hypocrisy. The Gentiles to whom Paul wrote, as they came from Greek and Roman cultures in which free sex was rampant, needed to understand what the Jews already knew and how to live out their new lives in Christ.

            – I don’t know if the references to bigotry are directed at me personally or Christians in general, but I think I’ve already established that I can’t be a misogynist. Accusations of anti-Semitism are also non-sensical as I don’t know how the study of OT law would be such, or how any Christian could hate Jews who understands his own spiritual heritage and that Jesus was a Jew. As for homophobia I never could acknowledge this as a word as the etymology doesn’t make sense. If “homo” means “the same” in Greek and a “phobia” is a fear, then homophobia is…a fear of things that are the same, like matching socks? Identical twins? Sorry…but in any case it’s likely easier to make accusations of fear or bigotry rather than engage a body of theology on its own merits.

            – I do not presume to speak for all of Christendom or to account for all of the Church’s actions since its inception. I’m somewhat familiar with the accusation that the Church “causes” suicides by condemning homosexual relationships; but whatever the outcome of presenting the truth this is not (or should not be) the intent. How would encouraging suicide or pressuring parents to encourage this make sense? If the goal is to offer hope and freedom to confused young men and women, having them take their own lives would play right into the enemy’s hands. The Church cannot sugar-coat sin but it should nonetheless be coming alongside families to offer hope, understanding and reconciliation. Suffice it to say that suicide is never the answer, for a Christian or non-Christian.

            – Finally (and sorry for the long post), I also do not claim to have all of the answers in regard to scriptural interpretation/application. This was a struggle for the early Church as well (see the book of Acts), as new Christians had been told that following the OT law was no longer required but they still wanted to know how to live their lives to honor Christ. I do know that we are expected to apply our brains to the task of Bible study rather than take the monkey-see-monkey-do approach, as applying all of scripture literally would mean expecting to turn into eagles for “waiting upon the Lord,” preaching naked or perhaps hanging ourselves like Judas. In any case we cannot allow the uncertain to outweigh the certain; otherwise we could not believe in anything. And it’s not as though one has to have all of his ducks in a row before coming to Christ, any more than one would have to lose weight in order to prepare for a diet. If any one issue is a stumbling block, we can still trust Christ to change our perspectives. As I’ve tried to explain it’s about trusting a Person rather than a set of rules. Here however as it would seem that nothing short of concession would satisfy, I will suggest that you discuss your objections with the Author directly.



      • Sharon on September 4, 2020 at 3:45 pm

        SJ – Feel free to believe whatever you like -it is your choice. I think I understand what you are saying and I don’t talk about God much in public. I may mention at work that prayer can help when I give advice or hope in someone bigger or point to the heavens. We are supposed to spread the message, as that is the purpose of having been created -to serve God. However, most people aren’t interested and I rather try to live the life and not just talk about it or lecture people. Talk can be cheap..actions are better. I had a Christian start lecturing me -after I told her that I was already a Christian -preaching to the choir, as they say. Hopefully, most people mean well but some people don’t know how to act at a funeral in particular. We all ‘live by forgiveness’ and I am still learning that as well. A work in progress. (I agree with Terry).

        • SJ on September 4, 2020 at 3:55 pm

          I am glad that there is at least one person I I have spoken to on blogs like this who thinks this way, always nice to see, Sharon. My issue was not with folks like you, who keep to themselves and live and let live. I have no problem with anyone like that. However, my anger resides with people who take advantage of the vulnerable and preach hatred and bigotry, All the while claiming to have a moral high ground.

        • SJ on September 5, 2020 at 5:05 am

          Terry, If you unironically believe that secularism will result in places like the Soviet union, and not enlightenment centered nations based around a separation of church and state, you know… Like the one which happens to be the dominant superpower in the world… Then I think you’re sorely mistaken. Granted, we could talk about all of the great theocentric policies that you folk conveniently ignore. I would love to talk about that kind of stuff: Spanish Inquisition, the crusades, the atrocities of Frederick the second, the third Reich, the Salem witch trials; Please take your pick.

          And by the way, I literally cannot see how the interpretation versus imitation claim you made earlier isn’t the exact definition of a copout. It just seems like a group of people who realize that if we were to actually follow everything that Book says, you would be able to sell your daughter to the highest bidder and stone somebody for having two crops in the same field Justifying their belief by claiming that somethings are metaphors, like the clothing thing, but other things are not, like being Jewish. Either that, or folks like you were just trying to play Chamaeleon, and trying to sucker in your average Tom Dick or Harry into saying that what you believe isn’t all that bad. Granted a large member of our congregation has bigoted believes that cause suffering the world over, but “you can still eat pork, bro!”

          I also do you tip my hat to your artful dodging. If you think there is no possible way that the words preach by some of your representatives of your faith causes people to perhaps be hateful toward certain groups of people, like homosexuals and Jews, and anybody else who doesn’t fit your narrow definition of what is righteous, then I think you are lying or do not understand social conditioning. Unless you believe that all of those little kids in Nazi Germany were just born really not liking Jews, and it wasn’t the Catholic Church of Germany working with the third Reich to cause one of the greatest atrocities in mankind‘s history.

          The obfuscation is also great; I think if you’re just going to refer to parents harming or kicking their young children out of their house because they happen to be homosexual, and you’re going to brush that off as the community and a congregation calling out Sin and say that it’s their responsibility to do so, I don’t think you guys should be very surprised in the fact that favor and you guys is diminishing. Personally, I think A good chunk of you think that 14-year-old homosexual kid on the street deserves it, and another chunk of you probably Enjoy seeing it happen. It does take quite a bit of chutzpah to claim to be on the moral high ground, and also support and ideology that claims that HIV is God‘s punishment for homosexuals. And I do beg your pardon if I don’t like people who get some form of shadenfruede Whenever they hear that a gay kid was bullied into suicide by the congregation and feel justified in saying that he deserved it.

          • Deborah on September 24, 2020 at 8:02 pm

            SJ, I think you are a very SMART cookie who has experienced “christians” at their worst. There is a verse from Jesus Himself that says “let ye without sin cast the first stone.” I believe in Jesus but I am a poor example of being Christ like (which is what christian is supposed to mean). I dont love like Jesus does, I dont forgive like He does and I dont understand like He does, but I know down deep in my heart and mind that there is no other hope for me as a human than to lean on Him as my repairer, fixer, comforter. We fail, all humans fail, we hurt peoples feelings we abuse, we criticize, we judge.. yes YOU ARE RIGHT, that is not Christ like, but it is human. Dont follow or listen to a bunch of foolish arrogant people to see what Jesus was like and came for. I have had the same thoughts as you “How could this or that be ok or be law?” All I can tell you is that there were laws and rules put in place for the children of God and He has his reasons. It is btw His earth, His creation, His ways. The bible says “My ways are not your ways” for a reason. You are also right that people abide by those rules out of fear of punishment,, but we abide by a lot of our current laws for those same reasons. Science and God above go hand in hand. I have never witnessed a burning explosion that could create a living organism (such as the big bang theory), but to the contrary the explosion destroys all life. I have never seen or heard of science creating a living body, with so many different parts , eyes, ears, thought, smell, heart beat, uncontrolled breathing, etc, etc,,, so it puzzles me that science has an argument so vehemently against a divine creator. Loving each other is what most ALL living beings say their beliefs center around but we ALL fall short on being an example of that very thing.. Oh,, and about the funeral comment,,, most funerals are conducted by the wishes of the family of the person that passed. If that family desires a repentant sermon, that’s normally what the officiating does.. I hope that somewhere along the way you will have the chance to meet and visit with someone who expresses the TRUE love of Jesus. I am sorry that it has not happened yet. Keep a good thought… Shalom



    • Aish Tuli on September 9, 2020 at 7:45 am

      i love this comment

  27. idoctor on August 25, 2020 at 10:36 am

    My grandmother was a Christian, too. She followed Jesus and God in all her actions. I don’t know how to persuade her sometimes.

    • Kebunny on August 27, 2020 at 5:07 pm

      It’s pretty refreshing to read this because that’s been exactly my experience with Christians. I’ve never been able to make a Christian friend because they always keep me at arm’s length and refuse to talk about anything meaningful with me.

      I am the type who doesn’t care about another person’s faith, if I click with someone and I just click with them and I like to get to know them better. But every potential friend who was Christian just shut off when they find out that I’m a “heathen.” They practically treated me like a leper, or like some deadly disease after that point.

      I want to continue learning and growing, and I’m not going to stop for anyone…but I’m not gonna lie, it has hurt my feelings deeply everytime I’ve felt a connection with someone who happened to be Christian and they rejected me based on religious differences. I find that behavior to be highly immoral and cruel.

      I really hope that there are more open minded Christians like you out there. On the flip side, it can’t be a pleasant bubble to live in when you shut out so much of the world and the people in it.

      • vince on August 27, 2020 at 10:44 pm

        God loves us all…..ALL…no exceptions. We cannot be too b ad for him….so….give him a chance….read his word starting in John…give him a chance. We are all just people in this world but he loves us more than any person could. He can change you…..really change you. Just give him a chance….

      • Bobby G. on September 2, 2020 at 9:02 pm

        I understand you completely! I’ve been Christian for a little over 2 years now and I’ve seen Christians not taking the steps to get to know people for who they are. It confused me cause I’ve always been one to try and connect with people even before Christ and we’re to make ourselves Holy as Christ was Holy. When I read the Words of the Living God I see Jesus trying to show others a way of life that gives life meaning through His actions. Not everyone excepted who He was and He knew that. But you know what? He loved them anyways. To be honest with you I’ve come to the conclusion that I’d much rather talk with a non believer than a person that thinks they have the walk with Christ all figured out. I’ve experienced hate from both side since I’ve started following. The nonbelievers and the self righteous religious types and I do my best to try and Love them anyways cause Jesus Loved me first. I don’t want people believing we have to change who we are to believe that Christ died for our sins. People need to realize that Christ is the one who does the changing. We just have to be willing to listen and be obedient when God speaks to our hearts. Keep your head up and l pray you find the Grace God intends for you to have.

    • Sharon on September 3, 2020 at 4:33 am

      I grew up in a Christian home/became a born again Christian at a young age -it has kept me on the ‘straight and narrow’ all of my life. Jesus gives me hope when the world around me doesn’t offer any. I put my faith in God not in people. People, even Christians aren’t perfect and sometimes people let us down. I’ve let others down too. I hold fellow Christians to a higher standard, as I expect of myself -with God’s help because life can become too much to handle on our own. I don’t agree with any extremist groups, I think Trump is a joke and is tearing his country apart. Yes, they will know us by our love. Is there a heaven? Ask people who’ve had near death experiences. God says it and so it is true. Do I understand everything in the Bible?-heck no! I am not a Biblical scholar by any means. Just your average everyday Jane trying to get through life. Satan bothers us Christians on a daily basis – it is a constant battle but we are to ‘resist the devil and he will flee from us’. The devil is the god of confusion/doubt/lies. Jesus keeps His message simple for most of us to understand the basics. I find it amusing that Atheists spend so much time arguing their point against something they apparently don’t believe in -yet, seem so threatened by. Why argue against something you deem a fantasy? We have freedom of choice and we aren’t to ‘jam Christianity down your throats’ but we have a right to defend it -if challenged. I prefer to go through life believing in a perfect God..a personal God/Jesus who accepts me and all of my faults/failures. I can only put my faith in a perfect being who is above everyone and everything. Despite these modern times where change is constant -it is comforting to know that God is the same: yesterday, today and always. The Bible survived for over 2000 years – that is a miracle in and of itself ; considering you can’t even get 2 people to agree on anything! Proof? Jesus’s tomb was empty/He died on the cross/rose again – history has proven it!! Christians exist all over the world – all believing in the same message of hope and eternal life. He did exist and still does! You need proof that something we can’t see, exists? What about this virus?? We are saved by faith not by works. Then we choose to do the good works as a result of out faith. Until the world can offer me something better, I’ll choose God -every time!! (thanks for reading). I sincerely hope that you feel God’s love the next time you visit a church. We are all equal, according to God’s Word. We don’t ‘bite’ – I promise. Peace and love to all.

  28. @kilpatywagon on July 24, 2020 at 10:04 am

    I came here today because a christian on twitter said something that gets under my skin, “you reject god.” I searched “why do christians accuse us of rejecting god?” This article was the first result that didn’t look like a circle jerk, I was right. From a non believer’s perspective this was a fantastic article, I wish more believers would read it.
    The things that believers do pretty consistently that stick out in my mind are:
    1) Accusing us of intentionally rejecting their god. I stopped believing because I read the bible, it wasn’t a choice, and I don’t understand how it is a rejection. If I told you that I had a superhot girlfriend in another country you probably wouldn’t believe me, and with good reason. Does that mean you reject my gf? No, you just don’t believe she exists because I have provided no evidence that she does.
    2)People make up all sorts of reasons for why atheists don’t believe, but they never ask us. As previously stated, I experienced my apostasy because I read the Bible. Christians reject that explanation constantly, following up with questions like “who hurt you?” Sometimes the answer you give to the question they asked about you is ignored completely before we are told the “real ” answer.
    3)The last one is how we are completely mischaracterized and misunderstood. First off, atheist only means “someone who does not believe in any gods.” Somehow this is twisted into this science worshiping group of people who believe in nothing. Sure some atheists fit that bill, but that is not what being an atheist is.

    • Michael Neville on July 30, 2020 at 8:23 am

      It happens so rarely that I’m surprised when a Christian asks me why I discarded Christianity. Usually I get told that I hate God, that I was abused as a child, that I want to sin, that I worship any number of things [science, Darwin, myself, Satan] rather than God, or that I’m an atheist because that’s all the “cool kids” are. I can explain the reason for my atheism in one sentence and that reason has nothing to do with any of the accusations thrown at me by people who think they know my mind better than I do.

      Incidentally I’m an atheist because I don’t see any evidence for gods (note the plural, there’s more gods than the one Christians like).

      • Issac on August 12, 2020 at 8:31 pm

        I feel you completely on that. It’s pretty sad how un-godly a huge portion of Christians are. I don’t wanna speak wrong, but you said you discovered no evidence of God, which is fair. It really is a lot of believing and trusting, but some things that happen in life feel like they come from the man above. I wish you the best, and hopefully one day you decide to explore being a TRUE Christian and finding Christ, regardless of doubt. Much love to you.

        • Brother Isaac on November 3, 2020 at 3:04 pm

          The evidence of God is in creation why do u act like an unbeliever, Issac. You can’t try to please someone who chooses to deny God, sympathizing with them makes you a fool as the Bible says

      • Someone on September 3, 2020 at 3:02 pm

        “Incidentally I’m an atheist because I don’t see any evidence for gods” – Look within and discard everything that is clearly not God. Eventually, you will realize, HE is always with us. It is the mind that play trick on us that HE is not. Don’t need to read any religious books, just keep looking within. Have patience.

        • Monica on September 17, 2020 at 12:15 pm

          Love unites, fear divides. You will know a person who is walking in faith by their actions. Compassion, curiosity, humble listening, asking and seeking answers, not making claims that one god is a “true god” one political view is the “best” for humanity or one book or method is superior for connection to source. Humanity is fluid, truth is personal and relevant to our unique space in time.

          Divine love and light is real, beyond the needs and desires of the body there is a powerful source. Not man, not woman. Pure ego-less brilliance.

          I am a medium, I know that love exists beyond the body as I have had the great privilege of restoring faith to others (and to myself) in a source outside of themselves by sharing messages for them from their loved ones beyond the veil. Messages that are specific, affirming and undeniably from them. We all contain within us the ability to transcend the confines of human form.

          I encourage others to connect directly with divine source, the space that we come from and all return to when the body has finished it’s journey.

          You have a direct connection with source, an inner compass. Do not let any teacher, preacher or friend convince you otherwise. There is no fear in source, all fear that exists comes from the illusion of the body in it’s attempt to defend and protect itself. Status, greed, power, ego, superiority and even inferiority… the body’s attempt to claim that it is the only truth. The body is beautiful but only temporary, an illusion, as spiritual teachers like Jesus have shown us.

          When the body is at its weakest, when we are in our most vulnerable state, that is when our connection with source strengthens. Why our bodies grow older as we become wiser and being poor enhances our creativity. Source is the origin of every creative expression, not the body, nor the brain.

          You do not have to turn to a book to find every answer although you will likely find a message just for you by quietly listening and letting the book fall open. Spirit will send you signs and messages every day when you listen. We cannot judge and listen simultaneously, we are either in unlimited spirit space or limited ego/body space.

          A rainbow will always be a universal message of hope. A reminder that every frequency on this planet has merit and that when we harmonize with one another, that is when the symphony happens.

          If you want to feel connection with source, listen to the music. Whatever station resonates with you!

          Thank you all for the time and care to reach out to one another. Our dialogue becomes heightened as the urgency to remember our oneness has escalated. Even our technology has accelerated to remind us that there is no place that we can be that we are far from connection to one another.

          Beyond the denseness of our material form, we know the truth…. no body, no story, no language or action will keep us apart forever, we are one.

          ❤️ Monica

      • Brother Isaac on November 3, 2020 at 2:56 pm

        There’s is one God, remember you are and unbeliever, just as the Bible says. Amen.

      • David Bush on January 23, 2021 at 12:50 pm

        Do atheists know they are atheists? Or do they just believe they are atheists. The question answered its self. Does it not?david

    • Leonardo Bozza on August 6, 2020 at 10:12 am

      Hey there,

      You make a good point regarding the girlfriend analogy, I never really looked at it through that perspective and it gave an interesting insight on how Christianity might look like on the outside.

      This would be a valid argument if the actions and God and your gf were the same. However, seeing as the actions of God and your girlfriend are completely different, this permise is faulty. It stems from misunderstanding of God’s actions/attitude toward unbelievers. Let me explain. Does ur gf constantly reach out to these people to try and reach out to them? Does ur gf actively make and provide proof to these people to prove she exists? Does she send people who have met her, to meet these unbelieving friends, as witnesses that she exists? Does she tell all people who meet her to try and represent her the best possible, and not give up if they’re ignored? I don’t think she would, and I wouldn’t blame your gf for not giving a toss about whether people think she exists or not. But God does care. In fact, He has the deepest care, bc unlike ur gf He cares deeply for these people, even if they refuse to believe Him and might reject Him. So much so that He sent His Only Son (who, being God, was perfect and sinless, 2 Cor 5:21) to take the punishment we’d deserve (Romans 3:25). Jesus took the punishment out of free will, so that we ourselves wouldn’t have to and could instead be saved from eternity in hell! (John 3:16) He did this also so that God could send His Spirit in people who receive Him (Christians), with the intention not just of being their ever-present help in their time of trouble, but also so that (having His Spirit in us) Christians could represent Him to the world (Acts 5:32). He reaches out to the world through true Christians (who are His Representatives, 2 Cor 5:20).

      Seeing as He cares so much, God does all these things that your gf would not (in fact, only God could muster enough love to go to such immeasurable lengths to save us). God does indeed constantly try to reach out to unbelievers. He specifically tells His Children not to give up, even if He might be rejected the first time (Galatians 6:9). God actually commands His children to do all the things your gf wouldn’t (i.e. the Great Comission, which was God commanding us to witness of Him to the rest of the world in Mathew 28:16-20).

      We can see God’s Persistence in trying to reach out to unbelievers in almost every book in the bible. God giving a chance for unbelievers to know Him (but mostly being rejected) is a prominent seam that runs throughout the whole bible. God’s eagerness to reach out to unbelievers is so profound that throughout Proverbs (a book in the bible) it is compared it to a “woman shouting in the streets, and crying out in public squares” (Proverbs 1:20). Certainly not a private and concealed voice for a select few, but for every single person to hear.

      This isn’t just true for the past, but it is true for today, and for all the future until His Second Coming (at that point, it will be too late to receive/seek Him, or until a person dies). Therefore, as Isiah 55:6-7 says “seek the Lord before it’s too late” and whilst He still makes Himself available, because many who rejected Him will (after seeing the warnings they’ve ignored were true, and how severe the consequences are, and that they’re eternal) call out to Him. However, He would’ve already given multiple attempts at “crying out” to them with His Warnings (yet every time they disdained it), and so at that point it will be too late.

      I know how much of a horrific Truth hell is, but God profoundly desires everyone to be saved from it (1 Timothy 2:4) – again, so much that He submitted Himself to that punishment so we wouldn’t have to, and God calls loudly to people without restraint (e.g. in the form of true Christians representing Him, online or offline).
      Through today’s message, God is trying to make Himself known to you, but are you going to accept His Call?

      The way to answer His Call would be to try and perk your ears and come closer, and the way to better hear Him would be to read the bible. God speaks to us through His Word (His Letter proclaiming the Good News* He wrote for us through His people). I used to be artheist/agnostic most of my life, feeling sorry for “brainwashed Christians”, but then I met Jesus myself through His Word. Again, God doesn’t expect us to blindly believe in Him through historical fact, but He actually wants to show Himself through His Spirit in you – that it might be an actual lived experience of Him, not just a dusty theology. Every true Christian enjoys the undeserved and highest privilege of having intimacy with God (it comes simply from recieving Him, that’s all).

      Again, God wants to do this, but He can’t do it if you just listen to one side (maybe “what your itchy ears want to hear”) and put a wall between you and Him. If as you say you are not one of those atheists that fits that bill, then you would give God a chance as well – at least seeking Him. I find it interesting that in response to what happened, you only looked at a website written by an atheist (an atheist’s explanation of why, whom doesn’t actually know God), and instead (at least from what you wrote) see why Jesus says that you do.

      It’s only fair that if you look at the arguments against Jesus, that you see what Jesus Himself has to say. Is it not biased to just listen to one side? To listen just to one side (the side against God), whilst ignoring God’s cries to you, is rejecting God. If God didn’t cry out to us, like the girlfriend in your analogy, then it wouldn’t be rejecting Him (it would just be a valid unbelief). However, this isn’t the case, because He cries out with a loud voice and the deepest affection, and so the only reason not to heed wouldn’t be that you didn’t hear (because the voice is loud), but because you didn’t want to hear. In the same way, most unbelievers don’t believe in God, not because there isn’t proof that God exists (and He is Jesus), but because they don’t want Him to exist. It’s usually a problem with the heart, not the brain/reason.

      I strongly suggest taking the time to start reading the bible, start with the enduring word commentary of Mark’s Gospel, and then John’s Gospel. Moreover, there’s lots of available that show the proof for Christianity. Yt channels I suggest are “Ravi Zaccharias”, “Cross Examined” and “Cold Case Christianity”. There are also some great books available, if you’re interested I can give you some recommendations. Moreover, having been an ex-atheist/agnostic, feel free to ask me ANY questions, I’d be more than glad to answer them🤓. My email is leonardobozza27@gmail.com

      These resources will help guide you to God, but the definitive faith/assurance is only revealed by God Himself through His Son (which will come from seeking Him). He promises that He will (not might) show Himself if you seek Him. I’ll end by leaving you with Jeremiah 29:13 and Mathew 7:7, which say that “if you seek God wholeheartedly and dilligently, He will open His Door to you and present Himself”.

      Apologies for the long message, but I hope I explained everything well. Feel free to reply if you have any counter arguments or questions 👍

      *Good News literally translates to the Gospel. Because that’s what it is! That God loved us so immensely that He took our penalty, so that we wouldn’t have to and could instead by saved. As you can see, God’s love isn’t just words or writings, but it is action (He doesn’t just say “I love you”, but He says it and then pays the debt we have against Him completely by laying His Own Life down). There is no greater act of love to lay your life down for another person, let alone a world of unbelievers who trespass against you, disdain you, ignore you and often hate you. He paid our price/punishment in full.

      • Jennifer on August 13, 2020 at 11:04 pm

        I think the above comment answers to “one of the reasons people don’t like christians”..
        The author of the original comment spoke very clearly, he has read the Bible, he doesn’t believe because he has seen no evidence to convince him.
        In my opinion, if you wanted to change his mind, THAT is what u should address yet you seemingly disregarded his rason and proceeded to cite and note scriptures ….
        From the Bible he has read
        Of which offered him no tangible, see able evidence when HE read It.
        Just because u demonstrated to the class how well you can memorize, it still offers the comment writer what he would need in order to believe. Some sort of evidence. Even a personal story about some miraculous godly intervention between you and death would have a better chance of convincing this man of the presence of God. Add to the list of annoying things Christians do.
        # 5 quote a scripture better than they live it
        Believe that by quoting the chapter and verse of a scripture to a nonbeliever it will make it more powerful or true. Knowing a scripture and living it are two very different things and if your life doesn’t reflect your words you are only making in Christians look like bigger assholes.

        • Bobby G. on September 4, 2020 at 3:40 pm

          What I’ve learned from being a Christ follower, it’s when each of us have an encounter with the Creator that helps give understanding to this meaningless life. The reason I believe is like the Prophet Habakkuk refers too, I’ve seen God move in my life. One morning I prayed for my mom’s eyes to be opened after not seeing them for 3 months and by lunch time the same day I get a call telling me her eyes were starting to open. I’ve seen God defend me against the ones that have looked to get me in trouble and my God turned it on them. I don’t memorize scripture but I hold them in my heart. I refer back to them when I’m in a situation with people where I need guidance on how to respond. There are so many self righteous Christians that it makes me sick. They throw scripture at me as well, on how I’m suppose to behave when they know nothing about how I act. They nit pick words that people say and try to ridicule you and beat you down with scripture. Our job as Christians isn’t to defend scripture but present it to people in a loving fashion through our actions. In scripture we never read that Jesus brought condemnation on people who don’t believe, He brought a path for people to experience the Living God in there lives. I’ve experienced it though, from so called Christians. They are the ones that also get offended when a non believer puts god and damn together. We aren’t to be offended, it’s written in Bible where wisdom is found. I honestly believe that non believers are looking for a answer to this meaningless life and what they are looking for is found through Christ. I don’t think non believers would have read this article if they weren’t looking for some kinda answer. Jesus Christ is the key though and it’s what I’ll always refer back too. Following Christ is one of the hardest things that I’ve ever done in my life. Excepting what Christ has done for each of us can be easy if you believe it in your heart but walking that path isn’t easy. My life is a constant war but I endure it cause I know there are benefits to having a relationship with Christ and it’s not a religion. Just my experience so far. I pray you all experience God as I have.

      • Stephen Davies on August 27, 2020 at 10:01 am

        I don’t accept what was written 2000 years ago as proof of anything.. particularly when your god (lower case deliberate.. bite me) is apparently omnipotent and all-knowing. Why the trickery? Why the disingenuousness? If he/she/it is there, reveal yourself. If my wife asks me why I don’t cook a meal for the family, I don’t reply that I cooked an amazing meal last year.

        Also, let’s talk about benevolence. Your god is NOT benevolent. He is capricious, moody, grumpy and a bit of an arse. If he is all-seeing and all-knowing, and forgiving, why do I have to worship him? Why do I have to sing at him? If he is so fantastic, why do I have to keep telling him? That is SOME ego, eh? If prayers don’t work, as you tell us, then why do we pray? If all is pre-ordained, why would prayer change anything? If free will has made us sinners, then why not take it away?

        Your god is an egotistical, power-mad idiot, quite frankly. If it does exist, then why isn’t it honest? Why doesn’t it put it’s all-knowing head above the parapet and say “I am in charge, peasants.. I will punish you if you misbehave.. if you don’t believe in me, you are going to hell”. Trust me,that would work.

        The convenience of having to have faith is ridiculous. It is an absolutely childish, pathetic metaphor for our fears about dying. “There is something better to come”…. what if there isn’t?

        Finally, morality isn’t linked, ain’t even CLOSE to christianity. The people I most admire, the most benevolent, the most generous, the most giving don’t believe in a capricious being. To suggest otherwise is disgusting. If some christians need their religion to behave, then that is their problem, not mine. I can behave without a framework of nonsense from an imaginary creature.

        Live your lives. Enjoy them. Be tolerant. Be straight. Be gay. Be anything you like.. but be loving. If I am going to hell for that, then fine by me. I refuse, absolutely point blank, to be in fear of a moronic judgemental deity who won’t make their wants and desires clear. I wouldn’t tolerate a manager or an employee like that, I am not tolerating a god like that.

        Religion is a human construct, and in a few years, hopefully soon, we will grow up as a species and look back in absolute stitches of laughter at how stupid we were.

        Laters, potaters.

        • vince on August 27, 2020 at 10:40 pm

          Sorry you completely missed God and why he came to us in the beginning. he made it very clear what we are to do if we want anything at all to do with him. he made it very very simple. You should take some time to read what he left us the Bible….and seriously try to see what he is and was before you judge. To throw it all away because you do not take the time to look is not the best plan. You owe it to yourself to give it a look. Life is short but eternity is forever. Do not throw it away……

        • SQ on October 29, 2020 at 11:45 am

          God has revealed himself in countless ways throughout our human existence. And they are All documented in the Bible and countless books by visionaries, saints, believers and non-believers.
          “Seek and you shall find, knock and the door will be opened to you.”
          You have grievances about and with God, so if you take those directly to Him and call out to Jesus himself, seek him, and ask him to reveal himself to you, you will receive a response. Countless Christians pray every day for the souls of non-believers. We are praying for you.

          Christians are people, sinful people, who know we NEED God. We don’t follow Jesus because we are perfect, we follow Jesus because we KNOW we are NOT. We are only made perfect through the sinless, blameless, righteous blood of Jesus. Believing in the sacrifice he made for us makes it possible for us to enter God’s Holy House for eternity at the end of our earthly lives. He allowed his own Son to be beaten and nailed to a cross so that ALL of our sins CAN be forgiven. Because YOU MATTER to GOD even if GOD doesn’t matter to you.

          IF by your words, alone, you can speak into existence an entire universe, a race of dinosaurs, an intricately and uniquely fashioned human being, or a vast species of animals from the smallest amoeba to the largest of whales, then you would be completely worthy of my worship and praise as well.

          Yes, if anyone rebels against God AND, chooses NOT to believe, and NEVER asks for forgiveness then YES, your soul will be separated from God for eternity. And that is NOT a person saying this. The Kingdom of God and Kingdom of Heaven are spoken about by Jesus countless times. ”Narrow is the path to life, wide is the path to destruction.”

  29. Nieuwenhuis on July 17, 2020 at 4:51 pm

    As a non believer (ex christian), my list would probably be slightly different. I think the number one thing I dislike about most Christians I talk with is the fact that they will again and again admit to me that they wouldn’t want to know if they were wrong about their belief.

    To me this signifies a complete lack of integrity, the worldview you hold has an enormous impact on how you live your life. How can people not care about the validity of it or even parts of it?

    If they send me something to read or watch, I’m more than happy to invest the time and often I’ll even ask for more information, honestly. This doesn’t happen the other way around (I wouldn’t even send stuff unasked, so this is more about the replies.). The average Christian doesn’t want to know things, they just want to belief. Maybe that could be fine, it is your own life after all, but not after you send someone else stuff to pursuade them to (re)join.

    • Terri on July 17, 2020 at 5:58 pm

      Hi. I’m a Christian and I agree that that many ordinary people in populations across the world are
      people who find it hard to study. Some by nature find reading a chore. Some of those people will be Christian. I think you have a point regarding integrity and validity. Whilst all parts of the body vary in their skill sets and what they have to offer a solid foundation to our faith is wise. Jesus knew scriptures even as a boy discussing with adults in the temple. If he is to be the pattern for our lives I agree that this should include study & developing understanding. In all honesty if any of my thoughts or beliefs were erroneous I would shift my thinking. I have learned and developed as a Christian over the years and am always willing to refine my thinking. I am a Christian who considers that validity and the truth/ reality of life is of far greater importance than belief. If faith is not put in fact how can it bear fruit? To put ones faith in lies or a delusion would be sad indeed. I’m sorry you were so discouraged & disillusioned by those you met. We are a poor reflection of Christ indeed. But we can learn and He never gives up on us.

    • Fred Doughty on July 22, 2020 at 12:20 pm

      If I told you that I would be willing to Know If I am wrong About my christian faith, than the faith that I hold as the only true way to God would be a lie. On the other hand I have had many discussions with the unsaved through the years about why they believe that my belief in God is wrong. It has never upset me when someone had another point of view . I have always been honest and open to those conversations. I would respect anyones view as long as they give me time to speek. You said that you used to be a christian? That could mean many things. Some people think that because their parents were believers than they must be one too.Others believe that they are one because they go to church and support it with their time and offerings. Their are even others who never pick up their bibles. All their knowledge comes from listening to their pastors speak once a weak, anything else they know comes from paper backs and the words of people who are in fact false teachers. You say that you were a believer. What did you actually believe? Head knowledge is only something that you go along with just because your parents and friends tell you that its right. Even though you may be able to quote verses or tell some bible stories that by no means makes you a true believer, but it would make you a hipocrite. That kind of believer feels lost,lonely and frustrated ,and why,because they have not truly given their life to the only one who can make it all make sense. These kind of people know that they are not legitament children of God, so if they are not one ,than everybody else must be lieing too. This type will spend most of their lives trying to prove to christians that they are wrong and he is right. None of what he does is done out of love,to help the person. It is only done to make that person feel vindicated because anger and pain has been crippling them for years. I have know Idea where you were, when you proffessed to be a christian or what you went through, but I am 100% possitive about this and why am I so possitive. Because I am one of those true believers who can not be shaken! I am 65 now and I have been a believer for 54 of them. I know that you can not read my emotion from these words but believe me I feel know anger, but only feel Christs love for you. Jesus has imparted on me this love, you see He was willing to die for you while you were still a sinner, and that same love reaches out to you even now. He bore the nails that you and I rightfully deserve. Being God only he could be your perfect sacrifice. What ever you learned about God in the past Ibeg you to check out the bible again! Not because mom dad or friends want you to and they tell you they’re right but do it because there may actually be a holy God calling out to you. Let me leave you with with words that may help you grapple with why someone like me could truly believe in a God so much that he gave his life to his service. Romans 6:12-20 John 1:1-13 John 3:16-21 May God bless you with the truth of His Word.

      • Michael Neville on July 30, 2020 at 8:52 am

        Hark, I heard the sound of bagpipes playing in the background when I read Fred Doughty’s explanation as to why Nieuwenhuis couldn’t have been a “real” Christian. The most famous atheist that nobody had ever heard of, Antony Flew (no I did not misspell his first name), was a philosopher who devised the No True Scotsman logical fallacy. The exemplar is:

        No True Scotsman puts sugar in his porridge. Angus McTavish puts sugar in his porridge. Therefore Angus McTavish is No True Scotsman.

        Denouncing an ex-Christian’s “lack of real Christianity” is exactly the type of judgemental criticism that Carey talked about in Section 1 of the OP. Someone who knows me from a comment or two made on a blog has no idea about how fervently I believed when I was a believer.

        I’m not responding to the rest of Fred’s post because it’s the bog-standard “come to Jesus” sermon that Christians have thrown at me for years once they learn of my atheism.

      • Brother Isaac on November 9, 2020 at 6:52 am

        You have been a believer from the age of nine mmmmmh, thought God calls people once they are conscious of right and wrong and obviously mature mentally which usually happens by age 17-20 but again God is God. By the way even true Christians can loose their faith and fall into deep darkness the Bible has lots of these instances one of these was Solomon

    • Roger on July 24, 2020 at 4:33 pm

      People are annoyed by Christians about the things they are told to be annoyed about. They are told be tolerant of everyone except Christians because “everyone knows that Christians are intolerant”. So everyone picks on Christians for things that are not actually true because people listen to nonsense like this and lump all Christians into the same profiling catagory. Rediculous! There are billions of Christians around the world in every walk of life. They have different cultural norms as a consequence. All this article does is provide a gripe list for non-Christians. If you wrote this same list about anyone except Christians you would be called a racist profiler. But your talking about Christians so it is OK. What hypocracy!

      • Michael Neville on July 30, 2020 at 9:02 am

        Billions of Christians, in fact the majority of Christians that I know, don’t proselytize non-Christians. However there’s always one or two who think that I’ve never heard of Jesus and so they have to tell me about him. I worked with one evangelical Christian who wouldn’t leave me alone. She had to tell me all about Jesus. Let’s ignore the facts that I knew the Bible much better than she did, I was familiar with more flavors of Christianity than she was, that I could not possibly become a creationist no matter how many criticisms she made about a subject she didn’t understand, and I had examined the product she was trying to sell and found it did not meet my wants or needs. She had to tell me about Jesus.

        Sorry but there are people who match exactly the profile given in the OP. That you don’t like it only means that you don’t like it. Sorry, that’s how the real world is.

    • vince on July 24, 2020 at 7:57 pm

      Well, I think it is way too important to take casually. You are talking about eternity, eternal life. The Bible is what we were left with to tell the story and it is for us to believe or not. If you are serious you have to read it and take all of it in context in which it was written. So much in there, miracles, prophecies, promises, eye witness accounts, on and on. If you ignore it you are making the biggest mistake in your short short life. At least read it to decide for yourself ….you owe yourself that much. If you do not believe it after that, then at least you tried, gave it a chance. But to never look in to it is ignorance, but you have made your choice in doing so. If what is contained in that book is true, it is the greatest news any Human could ever receive…please give it a serious look before dismissing it. So many reasons to believe it…so many….

      • Michael Neville on August 1, 2020 at 7:32 pm

        Reading the Bible was a major step on my road to atheism. I discovered that God was described as a sadistic, narcissistic bully with the emotional maturity of a spoiled six year old. He killed people just because he could. He ordered genocide and sexual slavery. He condoned rape and chattel slavery. Even if someone could provide reasonable evidence for this god’s existence there’s no way I could worship that sociopath.

        • TerriM on August 2, 2020 at 6:39 pm

          Im sorry you didnt read it in historical. cultural, literary context and clearly not with a commentary to help you. Otherwise you would have made a more constructive critical comment. There was a lot of wickedness in many early religious beliefs including shrine prostitutes and sacrificing children. Life was more brutal in OT times. We cannot look at it all without context and expect to understand. There is so much you have missed I can’t even begin to cover a tenth of it. Jesus honoured women who were considered second class citizens at that time. He valued children whom as I previously stated were sacrifices or in Roman times thrown out if not wanted. Jesus welcomed them, valued them and even said they had aspects to be emulated in order to get to Heaven. In the OT Nineveh is a story of mercy, Joseph is a story about forgiveness and Gods provision for his people, Ruth is a story about Gods provision for a fresh start for someone who had lost everything and Moses is a story about God saving his people from slavery after they’d overstayed their welcome in Egypt as guests in Josephs time because of the famine. Later Pharaohs felt threatened by their population growth& enslaved them. God was never pro slavery but if a slave became a Christian in the NT the idea was that he should be such a great Christian in that role that it impacts his owner. An owner who became a Christian might be more predisposed to freeing the slave! Christians did play a part in the much later abolitionist movement, are considered to have helped undermine the Roman Empire and its cruel practices which btw took many slaves. Nowhere in the Bible has slavery been recommended by God. And there is so much more. I will leave it to others to add to the list. All the OT miracles, healings, food provision in famine, Gods mercy and kindness is in both Testaments. Yes God has arguably the authority over life and death and the right to judge as the only pure and righteous being. Could you be viewing the depravity and cruelty of past peoples through 21 st century eyes. not realising the extent of some of it and failing to see that the response was righteous anger. God very upset at what they were doing and judging/ punishing justly in a measure equal to what they had done wrong. Mercy is a higher law than justice but they must both be present for God is both. People tend to prefer mercy understandably! Your anger with God based on what you think you understand is not that dissimilar to Gods anger with them. Please read and research actual biblical teaching/ commentary before being so quick to condemn. A little information gives a distorted view!

        • vince on February 11, 2021 at 11:43 am

          Well, you totally missed the true meaning of the Bible and it is nothing like you describe. So sorry you seem bitter and angry regarding the Bible …

  30. Bert Jean on July 5, 2020 at 2:58 pm

    Carey,

    As the minority non-christian on your comment thread here, I would like to say thank you for this article. Know that I respect your faith and the words of your religion.

    Unfortunately, I am saddened after reading many of the reviews left here on how many believe you are wrong and they are right regarding judgment. My father, who was a Methodist minister that helped break down the segregation of the churches during the civil rights movement once told me “People do not seek a savior, they seek a divine referee to come strike people down who don’t think, look, or act like them”. I should say, strike people down like me, because we are clearly immoral due to not being a Christian.

    If I may elaborate. I am a Buddhist. I seek to understand the way. I seek enlightenment, in this life and the next. Yet all I see in the comments is scorn for this belief and many others. I see scorn for differing opinions inside your own belief system.

    For these of you that espouse such belief, know that I would be your friend but when you look at me as either prey for conversion or fodder for the flames of hell, this is a notable barrier to friendship.

    Peace comes from within, regardless of what god you worship. Stillness and grace are not the domain of Christ’s chosen but the providence of all.

    Carey, I respect your efforts in trying to grow us together, I know it is an almost impossible task when faced with how easy it is to tear us apart. I wish you luck my friend whom I have not met.

  31. Aileen Rodriguez on July 2, 2020 at 12:22 am

    I think this is the best post, where we get know the reviews of so many people about Christians and The Jesus. I really love this post and thanks for sharing.

  32. Chris on June 27, 2020 at 12:35 pm

    Disclaimer: Christians believe wildly different things depending on who, and sometimes when, you ask (not a reassuring trait in people who are asking you to take those beliefs on faith). So, forgive a bit of generalizing. If you don’t believe in the particular doctrines I’m talking about, good for you. I’m not talking about you. Also, many of my problems with Christianity are mitigated by the integrity of individual Christians. I know plenty of Christians who quietly ignore the parts of their faith they find morally dubious, and I think their better people for it.

    All that being said, I think most people who dislike Christians are picking up on how deeply undermined their sense of right and wrong are. When all humans fall infinitely short of God’s perfection, all sins become equal. Calling out sick to go to a rock concert and committing genocide are equally deserving of hellfire. The ONLY truly important question is “Have you accepted Jesus?” To an outsider, that looks an awful lot like a moral double standard. Priests and preachers who molest children are just fallen humans who need to be washed in the blood of the lamb (the repeated invocation of violent imagery of blood and crucifixion also doesn’t look good to outsiders, by the way), while two men who love each other are deserving of an eternity of flesh searing agony. It looks an awful lot like Christians are just disdainful of outsiders.

    Also, when the stakes are so absurdly high, and the fate of the eternal souls of everyone on the planet are on the line, it makes for bad neighbors. After all, if you could convert me to Christianity and save me from eternal horror, is there anything you could do that wouldn’t be, on balance, justified? Every non-christian in the United States has had at least one interaction with a believer who was a jerk, not because he’s human and sometimes humans are jerks, but because he was scared for the state of your soul and believed that any rudeness or cruelty on his party would be joyously forgiven if he could just get you into heaven. I think most of us are at least subconsciously worried at how far Christians would go if the law/basic human decency didn’t compel you to ignore your beliefs and respect our rights to believe differently than you.

    I’ll end on an anecdote. My niece came home from school one day, crying because the other children told her she was going to hell. We tried to reassure her, and hoped it would stop, but, once they realized she wasn’t a Christian, the other children treated her terribly, alternately preaching to her and condemning her and her family. When my sister talked to the other parents, they seemed mostly concerned that my niece would be driven away from Jesus by all the bullying, and invited us to join them at their church. Now, I understand that half of the Christians reading this will be appalled at that, and I applaud you for your compassion, but I’d rather that you had a moment of introspection as to why the other half of the Christians reading this, people who most likely go to the same church as you, think that what was being done to my niece was a kindness. Like I said, this kind of stuff makes you VERY hard to coexist with.

    • Brother Isaac on November 9, 2020 at 7:54 am

      Mmmmmh nice comment, hope we come out of judgement based approach to loving others and being friendly to all persons. Most Christians are nasty and turn to judge people but the Lord never did this, Paul never did this John never did this, so it appears those who don’t read the word and mostly affiliate with church names( which are unbiblicall) turn to condemn people, most Christians are lacking in life and very pathetic in relation to God’s word. Yet they are very judgement and honestly the judgement also happens within the denominations no wonder there are so many divisions. The Lord is currently calling out the overcomers, those willing to walk with Him. Those who are judgemental remain in the real of the Pharisees who did not perceive that God’s mercy was the substance of the whole law, mercy being the expression of compassion( or love). At the end the Lord rejected the Pharisees and embraced the tax collectors and prostitutes. Amen.

  33. Nina on June 7, 2020 at 11:56 pm

    I don’t hate Jesus, but i hate some ‘Christians’.
    I’m married to a christian man for 7 years now. His parents pushed me into clinical depression. My husband is a very obedient child. His parents are very controlling and possessive. They controlled me through their son. They have changed me into something else that i don’t even recognize. Everyday i’m going through emotional abuse either from my husband or his parents. They are hypocrites. So i would say, i hate my christian parent in laws.

    • Terry on June 8, 2020 at 4:46 am

      Nina, I’m so sorry that this has happened to you. I couldn’t say if your in-laws are true Christians or only claim to be, but it does not appear that they represent Jesus very well. I also don’t pretend to understand your situation, but I hope you have the opportunity (and courage) for some productive conversations with your husband (who should be his own man by now, not his parents’ little boy, and thus prioritize his marriage over all else) and maybe some counseling. I also hope you have a friend and ally who could help you through this. Hugs and best wishes.

    • Sarah on June 14, 2020 at 7:01 am

      Where are your scriptures to back Up what your saying? You do not have the answers and need to go to the Word in its full context. YOU are not going to save anyone. Only Jesus Christ has the power and authority. I’m sorry your so misguided and misleading others. Truth is truth and you do not know it; you are tickling the ears of your followers.

      • Jack on June 21, 2020 at 11:27 am

        Sarah, that is a prime example of what Carey is talking about.

      • Heidi on June 27, 2020 at 2:11 pm

        Sarah, you are ill educated in every area you attempted to “splain”
        For the love of God it is you’re not your. That is only one I care enough about to splain back.

    • Heidi B on June 27, 2020 at 2:08 pm

      I am so sorry. I totally get it. My Husband of almost a decade is about to become single again due to his “christian’ bullshit. He is host unto himself . He has cherry picked the Bible to perfection. He fools no one but himself. He is ridged , controlling and I woke up a few months ago with him having sex with me. I knew it was over at that moment.

      • Racheal / Christian on July 4, 2020 at 12:59 am

        Look Nina,

        Christians just do whats best in life their selves .
        They have a will in there life that they follow,
        and most people don´t like there will, but were sorry its what God tells us to do.
        And if you wanna know why Christians act like this search up,
        ´´whats Christian are supposed to follow ´´
        it will help you know why maybe you husband acts the way he does!!!

      • Terri on July 4, 2020 at 2:18 am

        Heidi I’m really sorry that your husband has failed to understand and love you as a Christian husband should with respect & considering your needs above his own. He sounds like he actually needs help. I am not surprised you are getting out of what is a destructive situation for you. I think Nina has unfortunately misunderstood you. No one should pick the bits they like from the Bible as Christianity requires a whole hearted commitment to real love. It’s not about fear, distance or control and if you look at how lovely a person Jesus is ( who demonstrates the heart and nature of Father God) then you will realise that this relationship is not His best for you & that He is filled with tender compassion toward you.God certainly doesn’t go around telling men to be disrespectful and controlling. He said a husband should love his wife as Christ loved the church.Jesus served people. He walked his disciples miles just to go and help the widow of Nain who was on the edge of destitution. He cares about each of our lives. Christians are to behave like Christ.A tall order but increasingly possible as we spend time in prayer, learning how to do it from the Bible and as we support each other. That should be the desire of every Christian, to be like Him.I hope that everyone who reads your comments will not judge or misconstrue but remember you with compassion in prayer. It’s a challenging time for you and I wish you well.

        • vince on July 4, 2020 at 10:33 am

          “By their fruits you will know them”….the Bible says. Christians are called to live the Christian life as well as tell others about it. Living it is the “fruits” Not all who claim to be Christian are, but as the Bible says….”By their fruits you will know them”……there is no room for games in the Christian life. Honesty, truth, trust all have to be up front…always….

    • Tammy Marx on July 16, 2020 at 1:18 pm

      Modem American Christianity is complicated. The Bible promises us it will be. Aiming for the cross on the daily has never been more complicated as we are a society of self. I love Jesus but don’t support Trump, am divorced and just don’t buy in to the common Christian narrative. I avoid church, Christian friendships and other Christians in general. I don’t see Jesus in the modern Christian. I see hate, meanness, GO BACK TO MEXICO, ALL LIVES MATTER and a bunch of other crap that doesn’t look smell or feel like Jesus at all.

      • vince on July 21, 2020 at 1:34 am

        Well, it is a messed up world with a perfect God. People will never be perfect in this life….never. Jesus came to us to show us the way. It may not be easy, but if we believe and follow him, we will learn and grow in to the people he wants us to be. “Seek and you shall find”….key words here are SEEK. Many are not seeking him so they will miss out in a huge way. “Shall find”….not maybe find….shall find him if you seek. It is a promise. People are broken and need a loving God. Never look to people for spiritual answers…but to God and his word. It is our only hope for peace and happiness in this world….God gives us our gifts, talents, abilities….but it amounts to nothing that really lasts without him. Life is empty without God and we need him now more than ever…..

        • Pamela on July 23, 2020 at 1:30 pm

          Jesus is the way the truth and the life…..unfortunately, people do not want to follow God’s word because it interferes with their “earthly” entertainment and debauched way of life, so aad.

      • Terry on July 31, 2020 at 8:10 am

        Tammy…consider the rag-tag bunch that Jesus chose to be His disciples – some fishermen, a rich tax-collector, an anti-Rome political zealot, a fretful doubter, and even a greedy liar who would betray Him. Modern Christians aren’t much different but we are still called to gather together, to support and pray for one another, and even sharpen each other as iron sharpens iron. I fear you may be doing yourself a disservice in avoiding other Christians, as none of us is an island and you have things to teach them, and they you. I don’t relate to other Christians most of the time either, mainly because their lives are so different as they revolve around kids and soccer practice and other things I don’t identify with. I’ve also had conflicts with some, based upon basic personality differences. But as Jesus said we are all part of one Body, and I could no more discard them as useless than they could dismiss me.

        We also need to guard against assumptions about what Jesus would think or say about a given topic based upon modern sensibilities. Consider that many of Jesus’ followers turned against Him because He didn’t kick the Romans to the curb and set up a Jewish utopia as they expected. Likewise, many non-Christians and even some Christians assume that Jesus would agree with us on immigration, health care, military conflict or whatever the hot-button topic of the day may be. But if we examine His actual words and actions, especially within the full context of scripture, we may find that we need to adjust our perspectives. God doesn’t require that we all agree on everything, just that we love each other; and when iron sharpens iron, sparks will fly.

  34. Tim on May 20, 2020 at 8:43 am

    You misuse the first two concepts. The last is your opinion.

    1. We are in fact called to judge. What we aren’t called to do is condemn eternally. There’s nothing wrong with calling a sin a sin committed by the saved or unsaved. The lost whining about preachers judging them are trying to deflect from their wickedness and make you waiver in your beliefs. This is how we have ended up with a lot of weak seeker sensitive churches. Ghandi’s opinion doesn’t matter. Unless he accepted Christ as his savior right before his assassination, he’s spending eternity in hell.

    2. A hypocrite (in this context) is someone who says they’re not a sinner but commits a sin. If you don’t proclaim to be perfect, and then sin, you’re merely human.

    Please learn to understand what you’re writing about before bashing the Christian faith.

    • Vivian on May 22, 2020 at 3:44 am

      @Tim, it seems you contradicted yourself in your first point. You mentioned that we aren’t allowed to condemn eternally, but you just condemned Ghandi to hell in the same sentence. Only God can condemn, as Christians we are called to love one another. If you are to judge, judge for the purposes of building up someone’s faith not to tear it down.

      • Brother Isaac on November 9, 2020 at 8:04 am

        You don’t get it He clearly said if Ghandhi didn’t accept Christ, he didn’t say Ghandhi will spent eternity in hell. Why not get the word dear sister. If is a condition and it’s not judgement. Example ” If you eat junk foods your health will suffer, that’s conditional. Amen.

    • Captain Cassidy on June 16, 2020 at 5:10 pm

      Actually, Jesus said not to judge others. He directly commanded you not to judge “lest ye be judged.” He commanded you to LOVE. He also commanded you to spend your life helping the poor, comforting the bereaved and imprisoned, clothing and feed the poor, and literally turning the other cheek and giving twice what’s demanded to all who would do you wrong. And he also commanded you to look to your own sins, rather than worrying about the sins of others.

      You can’t love someone and try to exert control over them too. Control is not love. It’s the opposite.

      It always amuses me to see how far control-hungry authoritarians will go to excuse their wicked desires to control others. They’ll ignore all the boring stuff Jesus told them directly to do, then twist stuff to give themselves permission to act like little tin-pot dictators and mini-Jesuses. If Jesus tells someone to go and sin no more, that’s HIM. You are not Jesus, last I checked. You’re just a follower. Therefore, you’re under the boring commands he gave — and the warning that if you disobey, he’ll apply to you the cruelty you exact from others.

      Nobody gets controlled, chided, judged, and thumped into Christianity. In fact, control, as a tactic, only works on authoritarians like yourself. It’ll drive away far more people than it lures in.

      And that’s fine by me. The more ex-Christians there are, the easier it is to spot the cruel hypocrites lurking within the religion. You’ll drive off all the decent, compassionate people in your tribe, and all you’ll have left is a tiny “remnant” of howling beasts beating their chests raw with bloody fists and shrieking into the void to each other.

      It’s already happening.

      You can’t stop it…

      But you CAN accelerate it.

      • Mike on June 17, 2020 at 9:52 pm

        “You’ll drive off all the decent, compassionate people in your tribe, and all you’ll have left is a tiny “remnant” of howling beasts beating their chests raw with bloody fists and shrieking into the void to each other. ”

        Sounds like the 21st-century Republican Party….

        • Oyelami Adejoke Olubusayo on July 1, 2020 at 7:38 am

          Yes I agree with you my friend

        • vince on July 1, 2020 at 9:21 am

          Jesus never involved himself in politics…was not his mission. His mission was to tell the good news regarding himself /God/Holy Spirit….a spiritual mission to save people from themselves. Show a better way. People are political, not God…..

      • stop on September 21, 2020 at 6:21 pm

        Actually Jesus said to judge righteous judgment😐. So.

    • Jean on July 20, 2020 at 8:03 pm

      You’ve got it all wrong, brother. Condemnation, hatred, judgement ( not yours to have btw) and fear do not lead to love much less opening someone’s mind to Christ.

  35. John on May 12, 2020 at 7:36 am

    The core message of the Christian faith is – Christ is perfect but Christians are not, that’s why Christian need Christ.
    While I do apologise on behalf of the Congregation that we can be judgmental, we can preach a certain thing but we fail to achieve it, we can be stinking at friendship but if I were to flip the arguments, for you to know that I am judgmental, aren’t you judgmental yourself? And can you say that there is not a point in your life where you express a certain ideal but you failed to achieve it? (e.g. like you ask people not to be judgmental but you are judging Christians) and when was the last time you hung out with the priest.

    I’m not here for a fight, but what you did is, you have rightly pointed out Christians suck, why? because Jesus said – Only the sick needs the doctor. Christians are sick people and the Church is a Hospital and who’s the Doctor? Not the priest or the pastor, they are just mere shepherds, the Doctor is Jesus. Come on guys, we all fall short of that perfect standard and if there is perfect Justice, it will only be fair that every sin must be punished, that include what the Christians commit and what you commit.

    We are all sinners and we all suck and sick and need help, we all need Jesus.

    • Terry on May 12, 2020 at 8:22 am

      John…Amen.

    • Jan on May 19, 2020 at 10:49 pm

      Christians get stuck on an issue. Abortion or homosexuality or pornography to name a few and then they see little else. They feel like they have to save everyone from those poisons and their Christian friends with far greater problems get a pass, while they say liberals (as they label them) are going to hell for suggesting that people have a right to decide for themselves what they must do/be. People want to be heard. Give others a chance to say how they feel and why, and the courtesy of you really listening before reacting. Christians tend to shut people down and turn a blind ear to them just on one issue or opinion. Shameful.

      • Terri on May 20, 2020 at 2:34 am

        I agree that many Christians’ skill set doesn’t include good listening & while it may not be their strength it could be improved. Some Christians are extraordinarily good at it and many of those become caring counsellors. Unfortunately I think Christianity has in some areas of some countries been embraced by subcultural groups that have put their own slant on it & it has become warped in expression. It’s very sad because distorted expressions of Christianity can separate people from the incredible joy of seeing Jesus and getting to know him. I am a Christian. I am also as an individual more inclined to left wing parties than right, passionate about the Environment & being responsible for its care, love to see creative individuals expressing their individuality quietly in their dress for example, am fascinated by the natural world and the science of it. Jesus sat with, listened to and spoke with many people who had had colourful lives and were not accepted by the religious figures of that time and place. Looking at Jesus through the lives of the church will always give a distorted view whether it’s just a little or a lot because we aren’t Jesus just different people learning slowly to be more like him. Yes we can all do better & with God’s help will bit by bit. Carey’s article is about challenging Christians to think, self reflect and improve. Many of us are working on it. In the meantime I’d like to suggest that you look at Jesus directly in the book of John in the Bible and ask him to reveal himself and what being a Christian is about if you’re interested. It’s not about condemnation at all. You might be pleasantly surprised.

      • SJ on July 17, 2020 at 3:38 pm

        They get hung up on these issues but none of the ones that “don’t matter”. Even if they appear in the same book as those issues they deem so awful. Nobody riots about eating pork, or bombs clothing stores for selling blended fabrics. However, they will scream at homosexuals for existing, and bomb abortion clinics.

        • Aaron Clausen on August 3, 2020 at 9:50 am

          Indeed. The way Christians select which parts of the Bible they feel need enforcement an the parts they can safely ignore demonstrates the malleability of faith. Religionnis a useful tool for social cohesion, but for the most part, like all faiths and ideologies, is the servant to the biases of its adherents.

          • vince on August 4, 2020 at 9:28 am

            No people of any religion or belief are perfect ….none. The World is far from perfect so we must find a way to live together in peace. Jesus had much to say regarding this. If we want to know more we only have to read the words he left for us and make our own conclusions. He forces no one to believe. It is all up to us. One life, many choices. We must choose wisely. The right choices can change you and your life forever….



        • stop on September 21, 2020 at 6:33 pm

          Those were laws given to the ancient Israelites. Are we ancient Israelites? Also, go to Acts chapters 10 and 11. Do you take all your books out of context or just the Bible?

    • Captain Cassidy on June 16, 2020 at 5:14 pm

      Because “Jesus harder, everyone!” hasn’t worked for the 2000 years since Christianity was invented. Sometimes y’all need more precise instructions. If you’re Jesus-ing perfectly, then this post wasn’t meant for you. But your desire to silence someone speaking truth like this speaks to how imperfect your Jesus-ing is. Maybe you should Jesus harder.

  36. logann gavey on April 30, 2020 at 6:58 pm

    Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless.

    James 1:26

    • logann gavey on April 30, 2020 at 7:19 pm

      Ephesians 4:31-32
      Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

      1 Corinthians 13:4
      Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant

      Do you value kindness, love, and humility? I thought that is what Christianity was supposed to be about.? and that the big change from the old testament to the new, was God’s forgiveness and love? So my “thing”, to posit, Christians do that non-christians despise is “Being Hateful” and having “lacking Compassion for others” by shaming others, being mean to others, ostracising others, and turning away from the pain of others. This has been an observation of a common trait in some of My “Christian” family members, peers, and colleagues from the North West, the South, and the North East. I think the only problem with labeling any group as all “Christians” is that is a false choice. No Christian is like another, as no human is like another. Also, before “anonymous” chimes in, I am heterosexual, so although I have witnessed hate towards people in the LGBTQ community, I cannot speak as a member of that community just in case you wanted to demonstrate another example of “hate” like you did below.

      • vince on May 20, 2020 at 9:05 am

        If God is real, we are mere humans but created in his image…so we are like sheep the Bible says. Sheep are not so smart and are followers of the lead sheep who is also not so smart. God left us a guide book to follow..the Bible. If we follow it and it’s guidelines we will grow and become better people. Man left to his own devices is doomed to failure…just look around today…and in history. We all need God and there is only and can only be one true God. He himself says so. “:No man comes to the Father but by me”. “There is a way that seems right to a MAN, but the end thereof, are the ways of death”. Proverbs 14:12. Many things seem right to us, but God knows the right way…if we follow him, we find the right ways in life. Not perfect without problems, but the right way which leads to peace within……..

        • Captain Cassidy on June 16, 2020 at 5:16 pm

          Out of curiosity, do you actually know WHY shepherds keep sheep? They’re not pets or children, you know. I have never understood why Christians were so happy to think of themselves that way, nor to call their god a shepherd.

          Of course, if that god doesn’t exist then a whole lot of strange Christian practices suddenly start making a whole lot of sense.

          • Terri on June 17, 2020 at 1:28 am

            The Bible uses the analogy of sheep so it’s referred back to. They follow well and were a common part of that culture. I tend to think of general populations being more like sheep than I at times as I like to question, & consider Christians as people who in following Christ have to sometimes swim against the tide of public opinion or what is considered the norm. Your inferences are quite amusing……



          • Terry on June 17, 2020 at 5:29 am

            I would just add that sheep were kept mainly for wool and milk, and sometimes meat. You imply that God is fattening us up for the kill(?) as if He “needs” us for His glory, to stoke His own ego, etc. But He could just as easily do without us and leave us to be eaten by the wolves and lions. Fortunately for us, He doesn’t.



          • vince on June 19, 2020 at 4:51 pm

            To keep in context here, shepherds know what is best for the Sheep, the best pastures, best shelter, etc etc . They lead and protect the Sheep. God does that for his people if we will only follow…..simple



    • Charles on May 7, 2020 at 1:02 pm

      Comments
      Their teeth are rotten or missing
      Their tattoos look terrible
      Did you see their clothes?
      His hair is to long.
      Has he lost his razor?
      He or she is still drinking.
      I can tell they are on some kind of drugs.
      Don’t they realize they should dress up for church?
      Did you see what they were wearing?
      We can’t have someone who looks like that representing our church. What will people think.
      I won’t eat the food they brought they don’t look like they are very clean.
      Did you see what they are driving?
      Unspoken- If they don’t look and act like us it may be better if they find another church.
      They are not married and they live together. How can they come to church? Don’t they know that is a sin?
      They smell like a cigarette.
      They show up Everytime we have a church meal.
      Don’t they know they don’t fit in?
      Yes they do!!!!!!!

      • Veni on May 31, 2020 at 3:57 pm

        Charles, Your. Moments brings tears to my eyes.

        • Hannah Jones on July 20, 2020 at 12:33 am

          The eating pork and blended fabrics are all part of OLD COVENANT only binding to Israel in that time. Some of the only passages mentioning the intake of “unclean meat” is when God is rebuking the Israelites for sinning. .After Jesus died and rose again, there was now a NEW COVENANT for Christians which excluded a lot of different laws (like the pork one) meaning they can now freely get some pork on their fork and be free from other things that used to be sins. A lot of Christians predominantly follow the New Testament and a lot of the laws and practices from the old testament are not followed and immoral (E.g slavery.). The Abortion and the Homosexuality are laws that are part of the New Covenant which is why Christian’s view the act of having sex with the same sex and aborting a fetus (note I said fetus not embryo), as a sin.

          • Terry on July 20, 2020 at 5:12 am

            Hannah, I would echo your points about the Old and New Covenants in that many of the OT laws were made obsolete by Christ’s death and resurrection because they merely pointed ahead to Him, and He fulfilled them perfectly. I would just add that under the New Covenant there aren’t “laws” per se in that we have to follow them in order to get to heaven; there is only the “law of the Spirit” as Paul termed it, and the “law of sin and death”. Once we have the Holy Spirit we have a desire to please God rather than just a fear of hell. As Paul points out “all things are permissible, yet not all things are beneficial” – thus while there are consequences to our choices in this life, we can sin and still receive forgiveness based upon Christ’s sacrifice.

            This is what blows the mind with Christianity, as one could theoretically do whatever he wanted, live however he wanted and still go to heaven – except that he no longer WANTS to sin but to become more like Christ. Even without “laws” we still have standards of behavior as we believe that God desires justice (e.g., not shedding innocent blood) and expects us to emulate His character in all aspects of our lives, including sex and marriage. We just put the cart before horse as it were sometimes in setting “Christian” standards for non-Christians and behaving as though we’re all still under OT law, while giving the appearance of “cherry-picking” our own rules. As many have pointed out here, Christians don’t live the Christian life perfectly although that is our goal, and our struggles to hash out how to do this life thing as forgiven but flawed people can spill over onto other people’s lives, for good or bad.



          • SJ on July 20, 2020 at 6:01 am

            Ahhhhhhh. I see. So the only parts of Christianity that matter so much are quotes from the New Testament and not the old ones. Gotcha. If that’s the case… Then why do you still have the older half in the Bible that you choose to follow? Or is this another way to weasel out of the idea of maybe taking some responsibility that a lot of things that are believed by Christians are old and outdated and don’t really fit in a modern society?



          • SJ on July 20, 2020 at 6:22 am

            By the way… According to Matthew 5:17 … He condones everything in the Old Testament: “ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.”
            The New Testament is the only one that matters in deed… Why is it that skeptics and non believers and despisers of Christianity happen to always have more knowledge of it than the average member of the congregation?



          • Terry on July 21, 2020 at 5:56 am

            SJ, the Old Testament (=”Old Covenant”) still matters…it’s how we know God is holy and that His expectation for us is absolute perfection – and that we’re not capable of achieving this on our own. If we didn’t have the bad news as it were, we wouldn’t understand why we needed the “good news” (=gospel). The moral standards set forth in the OT which are based in God’s character still apply; we just don’t have to make animal sacrifices or otherwise fear hell for failing to meet them. I’m not exactly clear on your second point, but you are correct in that Jesus did come to fulfill the law in living a sinless life, which was why He was qualified to take our punishment for us. As I tried to explain above it’s not a question of whether we should follow the “old” or “new” list of do’s and don’ts in order to get into heaven but Christ’s work in us and how this should play out in our daily lives.



          • Aaron Clausen on August 3, 2020 at 9:58 am

            The New Covenant is supposedly love, not a set of statutes like Leviticus. The most the NT has to say about homosexuality is some crankiness in Romans from Paul, who among other things also took a dim view of marriage. As to abortion, that’s an extrapolation from the Old Testament, do again trying to work Old Covenant restrictions into Christianity



      • Captain Cassidy on June 16, 2020 at 5:17 pm

        Oh, we know Christians judge and hate us. All that simpering they do about “love” rings as false as the sentiment itself. We don’t want to fit in with a culture like that. They can keep it, and their fake god.

        • rachel on July 4, 2020 at 8:41 pm

          Christians don´t judge anyone.
          They just try to help people like you who don´t understand God/Jesus.
          You don´t understand God because you were not growing up in a christian family.
          You don´t have to believe in God,
          but…
          its the best choice if you would like to go to heaven.

          • Captain Cassidy on July 29, 2020 at 6:03 pm

            First prove your god exists. Then prove your heaven exists.

            Then we’ll talk about the morality of such a desperately wicked idea as a god who’d send anybody anywhere else after death.

            Good luck, by the way, “rachel.” Not a single Christian has managed that trick in the entire 2000 years since their religion was invented. If you could manage even the first bit, man alive you’d be the most famous person who ever lived.

            In the meanwhile, you can keep your vile, wicked threats to yourself. I don’t respond to fear-based marketing like you do. I make decisions based on facts. And the facts are these: your god is an imaginary friend. Heaven is imaginary. Nothing supernatural has ever been supported by a single shred of credible evidence. And Hell is what you use to threaten people into compliance — because threats worked to get you into compliance.

            I don’t fear what you fear, so you’re gonna hafta find some other way to sell your product to me. I don’t believe in your imaginary friend because I’ve never encountered any credible evidence that he exists.

            And the best evidence that he doesn’t is YOU and YOUR behavior.



        • Brother Isaac on November 9, 2020 at 8:08 am

          Don’t curse GOD, Jesus will remain God and Lord over all. You can choose not to believe it’s your choice. Amen.

      • stop on September 22, 2020 at 8:10 am

        Keep taking the Bible out of context. Youll get nowhere.

  37. Mark on April 18, 2020 at 5:52 pm

    Can we add another item>
    Christians can be the most gullible goats who will eat anything you put in front of them as long as it fits in their mouth. They have no discernment they just jump on bandwagons and ignore facts and proof as long as the narrative strokes their fur. The people of truth love lies. Just look at the insane anti Fauci nonsense.

    I had a lady in my congregation I pastor who could not understand how my “spirit” did not see through this man. I said what did he do wrong? She said, “Nothing has to be done wrong, I just go with what i feel in my spirit.”

    Insanity.

    • vince on April 19, 2020 at 2:24 am

      Remember there are no perfect people ..so be careful not to take any one isolated incident and run with it. You have to look at the whole picture if you want the truth. There is truth and it can be found for those who truly look like seeking for treasure. This world needs hope…and there IS hope. God/Jesus is real and he is only good and perfect. We are not. Christians do not love lies…they love truth. Again, you can find a few exceptions to any “rule”…be very careful where you put all your faith and everyone has faith…….in something…..

    • Terry on April 20, 2020 at 6:43 am

      Mark…I would think that a pastor would show more discretion in commenting on his parishioners rather than referring to them as “gullible goats”. It’s a shepherd’s job to protect the sheep from false teachers; and I wasn’t aware of any controversy regarding this Fauci person, but if there’s concern in your congregation about false teaching of any kind than this needs to be taken seriously and addressed, whether or not this is true. Dismissing a member’s concern as “insanity” and gullibility is disrespectful and tantamount to gaslighting – and beneath the office of pastor. Any frustration on this front should be shared behind closed doors to trustworthy people, not posted on a public forum. I couldn’t imagine my own pastor posting a rant like this.

      • Jeff on May 6, 2020 at 7:27 am

        Anna, I agree with you! 100%!

      • Sj on July 18, 2020 at 6:55 am

        If Christians weren’t the most gullible sheep on gods good green earth, then why doesn’t Judaism or Buddhism have a rampant group of Rob Tilton types who swindle them out of their wealth for promises of paradise?

        • Terry on July 18, 2020 at 5:59 pm

          Sj…I don’t doubt that some Christians (being part of humanity) are gullible as many are to their detriment (my husband’s late sweet aunt being one); but my point is that a pastor’s role is that of a sheepdog (or goatdog? in this case), not a wolf or a laughing hyena. But in regard to other faiths, given the willingness of some to martyr themselves for good karma, 72 virgins or similar promises, it wouldn’t be a stretch to believe that they and others would also fall prey to their own brand of “televangelist” in giving up their money.

          • SJ on July 18, 2020 at 6:06 pm

            Terry, While I believe that Christians can typically be more gullible than people of other faiths, I suppose you are right in that other face or also filled with manipulators who are willing to lie, obfuscate and take advantage of anyone willing to listen. This is why having no faith is preferable in my opinion. Personally, I think it is their faith that leads them to these people. Christians I think are just the worst offenders, however. For example: the Christian church, which preaches a modest living in the scripture, has a vast amount of wealth in my home country, and pays none of the taxes. And somehow, they continue to ask more of the congregation. And they give it to them. If that isn’t gullibility, I don’t know what is



    • Doug williamson on May 24, 2020 at 8:06 am

      Wait, you are a pastor at a church and you call christians gullible goats? Don’t you depend on those gullible goats to feed yourself?
      This whole thread proves that religion is a huge yolk that burdens people beyond reason. The freedom of living without having to worry if you are doing religion correctly is incredibly liberating. Freedom from religion is true happiness.
      Everyone that wants to reply with a Bible quote proves my point.

      • Terri on May 24, 2020 at 12:21 pm

        Hi Doug! Someone already told the pastor he was out of line. But thanks for further emphasising that it sets a bad example. Big mistake but then we all make them don’t we? I’m puzzled as to why you are on this website if you are so adamant that Christ has nothing to offer you. Or is it just the church that fails? Jesus is the best of humanity after all, awesome social reformer with revolutionary thinking for his day, not to mention all the lives dramatically altered for the better in his day and since. A sociologist once described freedom as that state when one realises all the influences on one’s life whether personal or societal & one is able to make conscious choices to go along with or act against the flow in each example. Far better than license which is vastly overrated! Since knowing Christ in my life I have never felt more free, more whole. The church is a work in progress hence this article to rattle a few cages and help people think and grow. You don’t have to go visit any church if you don’t like, you don’t have to get to know Jesus. You do know we’ re not trying to force you to, right? God gave us free choice in a world in which each action has a reaction or consequence. I do personally recommend prayer & finding out about Jesus though. He is worth exploring. Please respect the freedom of choice we have in following Jesus as you have the freedom to comment on this site. We as Christians have a responsibility to reveal Christ through our lives. He is perfect we are not so sometimes it doesn’t go well. A number of Christians have revealed Him ( demonstrated His qualities) to me in my life. It’s not all the big hypocritical mess you think. All we can do is apologise, learn, change and grow like any human being that messes up as it does & do better in future.. I don’t know if any Christian follower has ever hurt or disrespected you. I hope not & most of us would be upset if that was the case and wish to help. Christ’s teachings have had a very positive influence on the development of Western society and I think if you studied that you’d realise that it’s not the great evil you seem to suspect. It’s wise to understand something before deciding if it should be discounted as part of one’s life anyway.

        • Susan Joy Daniel on May 24, 2020 at 8:02 pm

          Well said Terri, and Doug as a Christian, I’d like to apologise on behalf of other Christians who may have at some stage have wounded you (and hope it wasn’t me!).

          • vince on May 25, 2020 at 9:41 am

            Yes and hopefully we people can all learn to just get along better in general. We are all in this life together so more love is a good thing. No need to judge each other. We have freedom of choice in this Country and we should respect each other more. God loves us all equally…we should do the same….



    • Veni on May 31, 2020 at 4:15 pm

      Pastor Mark, The older I get, the more intense my negative emotions seem to be. I find myself running to my knees more and more asking Jesus to help me want to give up a negative perspective, emotion, intention. It’s tiring. But I have to in order to not let them grow and morph into something that would not be pleasing to my Lord. It’s a giving up of what almost every fiber in me thinks I’m entitled to feel, and releasing it for the prize that is Christ. It makes me weep as I think of the battles waged at the throne by me and on my behalf. And weep for the times I didn’t take my heart to the throne because I felt entitled to its contents and judgments.

      So with that as a confession, my sharing my ongoing attitudinal struggles, please consider taking to the throne what you are feeling towards your congregants. I’m in helping profession too and often people say crazy, foolish, and mean things, and that brings out my contempt for them. I hate that I have to confess that because they are so XYZ, but I do. “But Lord, they are…”. Relinquish it all, V” “But”. “ All, V” Exhausting? Infuriating? But so worth throwing down the rags that are my ungodly attitudes. It’s a constant battle. Being clean before Him is lush.

      • Captain Cassidy on June 16, 2020 at 5:40 pm

        Veni, if you weren’t involved in a broken system full of false beliefs you must accept OR ELSE, you wouldn’t find compassion to be “a constant struggle.” The system’s broken. The road map doesn’t actually lead from Point Salvation to Point Decent Human Being, and it never could get you there. It’s broken for a reason: you keep dancing and falling, and then you’re taught to blame yourself for being exactly who you are. You never question the system itself that’s failed you so much, nor wonder why other systems don’t produce so much self-loathing and castigation.

        I’m human just like you are. When I discovered my faith was based on illusions and fantasies and basic manipulation of my ignorance, it fell from me like a funeral shroud. That’s when I finally became capable of loving people where they are, warts and all. I don’t struggle at all with other people being “so XYZ.” It takes a LOT to bring out contempt in me, and it’s usually aimed at hypocrites and hucksters seeking to sell illusions, fantasies, and emotional manipulation as cosmic truth. Even then, I see the scared children inside them that learned some truly dreadful lessons at a vulnerable age from the adults they knew as the only source of primary care they had — as you probably did, and as I certainly did.

        I found a better roadmap that actually works. Maybe you will too, one day. Whatever you’re using now, that ain’t it. Maybe you’ll find one somehow within your religious beliefs; maybe you’ll find one day that you must stray outside those beliefs to find what you really need. When it becomes important enough to seek, more important even than maintaining false beliefs and a broken roadmap, you’ll find it. I promise. Many of us have walked this road already; we know where it leads.

        I’ll give you a hint: that element resides inside you already. You may need help finding it, but it’s already there. Nobody can hand it to you. Nobody ever could. If anyone ever claims that, it’s because they don’t have your best interests at heart; they want something from you that isn’t theirs to want. What you need most is in your heart right now. It’s just been silenced — hopefully just temporarily.

    • Captain Cassidy on June 16, 2020 at 5:31 pm

      This is the Problem of Wingnuts: once one false belief is fervently accepted, more follow inevitably. The more seriously the believer takes the first false belief, the more likely they are to accept more — and become wingnuts. Once wingnuttery is achieved, it almost always only ratchets in one direction, into worse and weirder false beliefs.

      This is why most evangelicals are wingnuts who accept a plethora of weird conspiracy theories as truth, and why wingnuts tend to completely forget all the times a false belief they held was so conclusively debunked that even they abandoned it for something else (that’s probably also wingnutty). They just leap ahead to the next ice floe in the river!

      Christianity, as a belief system, makes dozens of false claims about reality. Accepting them can only be done in denial of what reality tells us. Once fervent belief in those claims gets settled in place, it opens the door to a range of other false claims’ acceptance. The only way to prevent becoming a wingnut is not to get TOO invested in the false belief. Fervent evangelicals despise those non-fervent sorts, of course. They insult them, demean them, seek to impoverish them, and even attack them. However, their victims seem like the only ones in that whole barking-mad tribe who avoid the worst hypocrisies that come along with that compartmentalization of reality. The mechanisms that maintain wingnut beliefs also open the door to abusive behavior in leaders — and to abusers being protected over their victims.

      This is why, when I deconverted, I made a policy of joining only groups whose ideology was based on reality alone, meaning groups that rejected utterly all beliefs that could not be supported by reality-based observations and measurements. Since then, that guideline has kept me out of all manner of trouble. This isn’t to say that reality-based people can’t be abusive jerks. But it happens way less often, in my direct lived experience and in the study I do of spiritual abuse. I’m 50 now, and have been deconverted for just over half my lifetime — so I’ve seen a lot of groups in my day!

      Give me reality every single time. Reality-based living protects me far better than any imaginary friends EVER did. And it gets way better results than thinking super-hard at the ceiling.

  38. Anna on April 16, 2020 at 3:28 am

    All human beings on the planet are hypocrites in one way or another. We all have delusions about ourselves being this, that or the other thing. But occasionally when we’re real silent, or we’ve made a mess of things, we may notice we are not all that. Christians need a re-boot, a renovation, sure thing. But so does every single human being. To be more humble, more silent, more forgiving. And to be more honest about our true essence which is rather lovely. But for some reason we all walk around wearing masks of indifference to our true selves and to others. Rather than say Christians are this or that. It’s better to look at humanity. Christ said “ask not what is holy, but who is holy” which is very profound. Because it means it’s not the belief that defines anything, it’s the actions.

    • Sheila on July 20, 2020 at 9:47 am

      That’s called deflection. Sure a lot of people sin and are in kind, but The rest of humanity isn’t saying we profess to believe xyz and then blatantly not following that. They don’t come out and condemn MANY MANY sins and only focus on a few select hot topics. The church as a whole is a wreck and pretty pointless because most people don’t seem to have a clue how they are even supposed to live based on the teachings of Jesus.

  39. Hannah Jones on April 13, 2020 at 12:45 pm

    i’m sure you have your facts and figures straight about who wrote what about bibilical stories when and where, the truth of the matter remains .. .. .. each time a story (or in this case the bible) is re-written, the changes made are significant to the person initiating the change, maybe it’s the king, maybe it’s the priest, but be sure of one thing, religion is the politics of spirituality and bibilical scripture is altered to reflect the needs of that king or priest to maintain his power over his people .. .. .. all the bibilical scripture and all the words contained therein are the words of human beings, regardless of when or where they were written, they are human in origin and you cannot prove otherwise .. .. .. you cannot use man’s words to prove god’s will, it’s just that simple

    • Captain Cassidy on June 16, 2020 at 5:52 pm

      You can’t use reality to prove it either, so I guess you’re SOL? That’s the problem with internal revelation, isn’t it? You come up with some weird, quirky lil take on Christianity that conflicts with a bunch of other weird, quirky lil takes, and every one of you thinks you’ve got the correct weird, quirky lil take that Jesus likes best. You all argue till you’re blue in the face, but literally nothing marks your weird, quirky lil take above anybody else’s — you all base it on purely subjective emotions. You like your weird, quirky lil take best because, well, it’s yours. And remarkably, the god of quarks and quasars completely agrees that your weird, quirky lil take is the correct one that he likes best.

      Does it feel good to have the weird, quirky lil take that your god likes bestest of all? Do you feel like the special-est lil Jesus-er who ever Jesus’ed? I bet it does; I bet you do.

      Maybe the Catholics had a good idea in corralling everything together into one distinct catechism, though they sold it with force and maintained it through fire and the sword. The moment Protestants got unhinged from them, they went wild. Jesus (in the Gospels you don’t trust, though I agree completely with your assessment overall about it) once predicted that Christians would be united in one body; it’s the most laughably failed prediction he ever made. Denominations do not merge, generally; they splinter further and further apart, which doesn’t even take into account the millions of Christians with their own weird, quirky lil takes on the source documents and ideas — like you.

      I saw something on Wiki claiming there are close to 40,000 denominations, maybe 50k, with more sprouting to life every day. I’m not even close to surprised. And every one of those denominations thinks just like you do, with the same exact proof you think you have. Isn’t that something?

      You can’t all be right … but you could all be wrong.

  40. Hannah Jones on April 13, 2020 at 11:43 am

    terry, not believing in an afterlife does not make one an atheist, the concept of an afterlife is rather modern in the history of human’s spiritual discoveries .. .. .. i have a deep and intimate relationship with god, my creator .. .. .. my belief is that we all get one life to live, when it’s over, it’s over, i can accept that .. .. .. i don’t need promises of an afterlife or any other rewards to treat others as i would like to be treated myself, having a clear conscience is reward enough! p.s. please re-read what i wrote, there seems to be a misunderstanding there, satan and god were brothers, see?

    • Captain Cassidy on June 16, 2020 at 5:55 pm

      I replied above to you already, but I’ll just say that removing the notion of the afterlife from your beliefs probably makes you a way better person than most other Christians.

  41. Hannah Jones on April 13, 2020 at 10:54 am

    (in response to terry) god is our creator, our “father”, we are all his children, jesus said “i am his son” .. .. .. his preachings were laced with the idea that we are all brothers and sisters, children of the same god .. .. .. god chose us to have life and the free will to choose between him and his brother, satan .. .. .. as i said before, the bible is continuously being re-written, whether to suit the powers that be or to suit the one who is quoting it at the moment .. .. .. and since jesus was a jew, his teachings were from the Torah, of which the old and new testaments are sequels

    • Terry on April 13, 2020 at 11:21 am

      Hannah, it appears that we disagree on a few fundamental issues that are too deep to get into in this kind of forum…and I am confused as to what you actually believe as from your comments below it seemed you were an atheist who does not believe in an afterlife. I do agree that we are all created by the same God but since man chose to rebel in the Garden of Eden most people became orphans with no Father, by choice – so I also agree that we have free will. I do not believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers, however as the Bible does not support this. And most of the modern English Bible translations have been derived directly from the oldest Hebrew and Greek manuscripts available such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, not from other English translations such as the King James Bible. But you are correct in that the Old and New Testaments are one continuous story, the OT being frequently quoted by Jesus and also used by the apostles who wrote the NT to develop the theology of salvation by faith.

  42. RJ Anderson on April 6, 2020 at 12:19 pm

    This article is filled with ignorance
    I am a Christian I do not judge people that’s Gods department!
    Hypocrisy? You do not know why people seek Christ!
    They seek him to change their ways to help them in their life to stop sining Not one person in this world is without sin no pastor no priest no church we all fall short! this hypocrisy thing I’ve heard a million times usually by atheists to justify their beliefs of nothing. I have friends of all type gay, different race food and bad !
    It doesn’t matter what color or who you are we are all children of God!
    SO MANY LOST SOULS!
    Crack open a Bible read John 3:16 and
    Give your soul to Christ it’s a hard life resisting temptation and trying to turn the cheek everyday with a smile!

    • Stella on April 7, 2020 at 6:42 pm

      Maybe I don’t want to believe in Jesus, I’m happy being atheist! I am not tempted or upset I don’t believe at all! Get some respect for people who just don’t WANT to believe like me.

      • vince on April 8, 2020 at 12:31 pm

        Yes respect for sure. Why anyone would not want eternal life ia a perfect heaven is hard to figure.

        • Doug williamson on April 8, 2020 at 1:12 pm

          So whatever I believe Heaven to be it is? How do you know about heaven? Just because you read it an old text or thats what they told you when Gamgam died to make you feel better doesn’t make it any less fabricated.

          • vince on April 8, 2020 at 6:12 pm

            Far more than an old text…even historians agree on that. No other book in the world like it…none. So, if you want to know about it there are hundreds and hundreds of resources. Nothing fabricated about it..take a real look and see….if you dare…



        • Jake Tisnik on April 10, 2020 at 5:20 pm

          Well, because those are just fairytales from moral code book with fantasy elements.

          • vince on April 11, 2020 at 11:58 pm

            Far more than fairy tales. Written by 40 people over 200 years and they all say the same basic things. Prophecies fullfilled in one man….miracles witnessed by hundreds of people..on and on it goes if you take the time to look. No other book like it…unique in many ways but in the end you must believe and have faith that it is true. Most who make these blanket statements have never really looked in to the Bible to seriously seek the truth….or lies in it. They do not want to. That is the sad fact. If they did..they would see otherwise…



        • Charles on May 7, 2020 at 12:02 am

          The Bible man written God inspired. Gives us instruction on how we should treat each other. Plus mistakes and triumphs man has made throughout history. Mankind has a deep need to connect with his creator. To live a life that is fulfilling and good. The Bible gives information on how to do this. It may not be perfect but it is the best hope we have. Christianity is about Love and Hope. We are sinners and have character defects. Please forgive us for our faults. Most of us are loving and faithful to doing better than we were before accepting Christ as our savior. Humility and Love something we all have to work on. We are trying. There are food giveaways weekly in our local communities along with other free servicies. All of these are Christian Ministries. While people may have opinions about us remember that is judgement on their part. Things aren’t always as we see them. I have been wrong about many things and will continue to be in the future. Through Jesus I have forgoveness. This is what I believe.

          • vince on May 7, 2020 at 12:54 am

            Most all thinking people believe Jesus walked this Earth. If he was here, who was he? Is he equal to God? Did he do miracles? How do all those prophecies about him just happen to be true, written thousands of years before he was here? Did he raise the dead? Heal the sick? Raise himself from death? If he really did these things what do you do with that? Would you want to know more about it? It is the single most important event in history concerning you/us if he is who he said he was……



        • Michael Neville on July 30, 2020 at 10:03 am

          How do you know heaven is perfect? Has anyone been there and come back to give a description?

          Most afterlives would become utterly boring in very little time. One Jewish afterlife consists of arguing Talmudic minutiae, a subject of little interest to most people. The Muslim afterlife is the fantasy of a 15 year old male virgin (plus women don’t seem to have their own afterlife). Valhalla is a combination steakhouse and brawl, with everyone dying in a big battle at the end. One commonly-held Christian heaven has everyone singing hymns of praise to a megalomaniac. That would become pretty boring after about the first ten seconds. Only the Hindu and Buddhist concepts of nirvana, going to utter nothingness, has any appeal to me. But since I’m an atheist that’s what I expect will happen, only without the messiness of reincarnation.

      • Doug williamson on April 8, 2020 at 1:19 pm

        Amen brother! PPreach!

        • Lexizen on April 26, 2020 at 7:51 am

          Does it really matter! If we believe in God we believe in God. If we don’t we don’t. We all have our own path to follow through out OWN experiences. And what suits one does not suit another. We are all rivers going to the same ocean. Whether you are Christian, Muslim, Hindu or atheist you all believe in that. A belief is still just a concept of the human kind. What suits ones mind or heart will not suit another. Can we not just accept that this is the truth. I am a Christian new however, I have studied Buddhism and vishara! Meditation helped with the mental side but god for ME!, And I stress ME as I’m not looking to convert and im most definitely not judging anyone!, helps me to content with the heart, Jesus was love only and is a great example of, again in my opinion, love and peace and allows me to see what I need to do to be better person. Does not mean I expect others to be the same I accept others for who they are. And I accept me. I don’t think there is anything wrong with anything anyone has said but is doesn’t need to be come a debate of right and wrong, we do what feels right to us as individuals. Acceptance goes along way. Love to all of you!!

      • Racheal / Christian on July 4, 2020 at 1:16 am

        Look I agree, you don´t have to believe in Jesus.
        But believing is a better choice then Not!
        I can see your happy not believing in Jesus because you don´t know the history about him.
        We as Christians do have respect if you don´t believe in Jesus or do.
        Some people like you just don´t what to believe Jesus because you truly have not seem him.
        And some people don´t believe things with out seeing them.
        But in Christianity there no such thing of not believing Jesus because you can´t see him.
        We as Christians don´t need to see Jesus to believe him.
        Just read the Bible,
        the Bible has so much proof.
        The Bible has so much history about Jesus.

      • rachel on July 4, 2020 at 9:13 pm

        Stella, if you don´t believe in Jesus its okay.
        Jesus himself doesn´t and did not force anyone to believe in him.
        But…. as a Christian we know what will happen to people like you who don´t believe in Christ.
        And God has already gave us so MUCH evidence that he is real,
        Its your choice to believe in him or not!
        God is the creator of the Universe and all the creation and ex creation. And thinking there is no God who created all the creatures is being inorgat about where the creatures came from.
        You really never think of the question, ´´Who CREATED the EARTH´´.

        • Michael Neville on July 30, 2020 at 10:12 am

          So what’s this “evidence” that your imaginary, fictitious, make-believe “god” is real? Bring it out. However I will not accept anything with logical fallacies, semantic ambiguities, emotional appeals (threats are an emotional appeal), or personal testimonies. Also the collection of myths, fables and lies called the Bible isn’t evidence. You don’t accept the Quran or Vedas as evidence for their gods, a moment’s thought will tell you that an atheist discards the Bible for exactly the same reason.

          The answer to “who created the Earth” is “we don’t know”. And we includes you. There’s no evidence that a couple of 2500 year old myths written by priests who didn’t know where the Sun went at night have any relationship to reality.

    • Kathy Urbano on April 30, 2020 at 2:15 pm

      Amen! Thank you RJ Anderson! Remember he who is in me is greater than he who is in the world! Thank you Jesus for dying for our sins.

    • Captain Cassidy on June 16, 2020 at 6:09 pm

      Anybody joining Christianity to “stop sinning” should probably be aware of just how dismal Christianity is at helping people learn to become better people. The number of sheer hypocrites in Christian groups is astounding. Their roadmap to becoming better human beings is broken; it won’t get them to the promised goal at all.

      I hope you didn’t join Christianity for that reason. Do you ever wonder how non-Christians manage to be decent human beings? Why they’re so much better, as a group, than Christians could ever hope to be? This was a big problem for me when I was Christian. I didn’t know any non-Christians at all till I went to college, and then I was flabbergasted. That’s also the age I began noticing hypocrites around me as well, and gosh, there were just SO MANY of them!

      Later, I’d learn that religious-dominated societies and communities tend to be the very worst in every marker of dysfunction: violence, crime, abuse, poor education, divorce rates, little access to healthcare, teen pregnancy, you name it and it’s worse in those areas. I could only conclude:

      * Good people exist in and out of Christianity, mostly out of it.

      * Horrible people exist in and out of Christianity, mostly inside of it.

      * The more Christianity is allowed to dominate people’s everyday lives, the worse that area fares. The more controlling a fervent Christian group is, the more hypocrites we’ll find among them and the more likely it’ll be that scandals will erupt out of that group.

      All of that should be impossible under Christianity’s claims, but it’s the reality.

      My solution was to go with reality. I don’t know what you’ll do. Just if you’re seriously thinking that Christianity, as a system, encourages members toward improvement, you don’t know much about how Christianity works on the ground. It relies on people failing its flawed roadmap. If people really improved in its use, their Dear Leaders would be out of work.

      • Terri on June 17, 2020 at 3:54 am

        Reading your comments I pick up anger, disillusionment , perhaps hurt and and bitterness with people. Perfectly in context with the initial article that began all this. However whilst I would not discount your experience & my heart goes out to you that your experience was so bad it seems, your experience is not all the evidence there is. Psychologists could list all the elements that need to be provided to make a kind decent citizen & they will exist outside Christianity of course but that doesn’t mean that those who didn’t get that should not receive what they need to heal and change and Jesus working with the help of a good group of followers can and has done that in people’s lives including mine. Your experience seems very people focused. It is God who has been seeking, finding and mending me and it is that relationship that matters most. I am always amazed at the confidence and trust people have in each other as though they don’t expect to be let down. Of course people will, they aren’t perfect! If some take years before they do that’s a bonus , but we have to be realistic and fair, expect them to try, to often achieve good stuff but don’t expect perfection. I’ve seen amazing actions of love and sacrifice. Try to be open to the fact that there is more than just your experience. It doesn’t mean you have to put yourself in positions that will cause you to be overwhelmingly hurt again. There is a lot of emphasis on forgiveness in Christianity for the fact it is necessary for whole people and good relationships. Having said that your experience if it has included anything as severe as abuse will need a lot more counselling, love and support for you to get to that place of healing. There are things we should feel angry about but to live in a state of anger is harmful to the self. It is a sad truth that evil sometimes hides in places we least expect it. We all need to exercise greater wisdom, not blind faith. Please get help to find peace.
        After all that as a less important emphasis than your wellbeing sometimes there are measurable answers to prayer when they involve physical changes, sometimes immediate change. There is a lot more good fruit than you realise.

        • Captain Cassidy on July 29, 2020 at 6:14 pm

          Don’t psychoanalyze me. It’s rude and creepy. I am doing fine with peace. I get annoyed with Christians, but that’s not the same thing.

          You use “anger” as a reason to write me off. That’s how your tribe operates whenever it encounters dissent or criticism. Ah good, she’s “angry,” maybe even OMG “bitter!” So her criticisms can’t be valid. If I’m “angry” at all, if I seem not-at-peace, consider the context. Or don’t. If you didn’t have tone trolling, you would have to work out some other way to disqualify critics out of the gate.

          Groups based around your religion are the very last I would ever join if I wanted forgiveness or peace. Every Christian group I’ve ever seen and dealt with has been ghastly on both counts. They are petty courts of control-jockeying and power-mongering, full of terrible people who couldn’t find the power they wanted in any legitimate venue.

          And you are one of them. Thank you for reminding me of what a wicked and evil ideology Christianity is. It turned you into the person who creeped at me, dismissed me, disqualified me, and sought control of me to silence me. Gee, what a great “witness!”

          • Terri on July 30, 2020 at 2:46 am

            Let me be forthright & honest. I apologise for psychoanalysing you. I am analytical by nature. I was aiming at compassion, understanding, fairness but clearly that didn’t come across. Clearly I’ve annoyed you since you were offensive, insulting and totally off the mark. I’m not American so I only see what appears in media and sometimes it makes me cringe but it’s the media and not necessarily an accurate portrayal of the church there. I can’t comment on what I haven’t experienced. My experience of Christianity is that it has worked for me and others I know. I try to never dismiss anyone & the evidence your comments present is that you take issue with the Christian experience you have had. I am GENUINELY sorry that your experience has been bad & unhappy that it may have distanced you from God. If you are cynical that would be understandable but please don’t assume all Christians are the same or all churches if you are. I have experienced some very Christlike behaviours amongst Christians. I have experienced genuine change through my prayer life. I have seen physical answers to prayer that were measurable.
            On the issues of control and imaginary friends…
            Control- I can’t control what you are or what you say, choose or think & neither can you do that to me as evidenced by this blog. I don’t even want to. Strong individualism is important to me. Christian blogs are not about airing opinion but stimulating positive change in the church. I want you to be respectful, reasonable and fair to people so I’ll ask that of you but it’s still your choice whether you are. Don’t tar me with the same brush as those you’ve known. Let’s agree that we don’t know each other. I’m glad you consider yourself to be at peace as you said because that doesn’t come across in your comments in this context & I do feel genuine compassion toward you because you’ve not experienced the love of God through the church there but far less & you should have received better.
            I could apologise for that but it is lip service & devoid of meaning if it doesn’t come from those who let you down.
            Imaginary friend-
            God makes a terrible imaginary friend because He doesn’t say or do what I want. Worse, He asks things of me like putting others before myself when I’m overtired or asking me to be patient and loving with the most irritating of people. Why on earth would anyone want an imaginary friend that they can’t control???? Worse He asks us for personal accountability, to grow up & sometimes go through genuine hardship for the sake of others. But we always have a choice. Christianity works when we make the right choices. If this has been another failed attempt at reasonable discourse with you I will have to surrender further attempts. Some personality combinations just can’t communicate well and that may be true of us. Do take the utmost care.



        • Captain Cassidy on July 30, 2020 at 3:22 pm

          Thank you for the apology, though you continued to try to exert control of me through wrong guesses about my past and character and attempts to manipulate me. I suspect it’s just so ingrained a style of interaction you don’t even recognize you’re doing it.

          Yes, of course you’re Christian because it works for you. If it didn’t, you’d start to question the claims involved with it. It’s not true, so the only reason to be involved is that it gives you something. To me right now, that something sounds a lot like a sense of superiority over others and a way to take control of them. These both come from fear.

          I remember that fear very well. Eventually it hit a peak so bad I ended up in a complete panic. “Jesus” never helped or responded, because of course that was me all along inventing him. Thankfully, once someone hits that peak there’s nothing left to do but analyze with cold indifference the entire belief system that led us there.

          Fear-based marketing bags a lot of people, as you’ve accidentally revealed. But it’s a Pyrrhic victory.

          Now, I don’t believe any of Christianity’s claims. That has nothing whatsoever to do with my personality, my past, my experiences, or anything else but this: the claims do not possess credible evidence to support themselves. No Christian has ever, even once, come up with any good credible reason to believe a single claim made about their god. It’s an imaginary friend, or like Santa or a unicorn.

          The fact that you can consider yourself analytical and yet come at me with so much emotional manipulation and ignore the gaping chasm of lack-of-real-evidence before your feet speaks to exactly why you’re involved. You’re not analytical. If you were, you wouldn’t have acted like this here. Your faith is based on emotion, not reason. I know that’s kinda your thing, to believe that about yourself, but it’s definitely not coming through.

          Please forgive any spelling errors. I’m on my tablet right now, and it loves making me look illiterate.

          • Terri on July 30, 2020 at 6:52 pm

            Cassidy what do you think I’m trying to get you to do? Sorry again if I got the wrong idea from your comments. Apparently I should give up trying to be understanding. Every time I try it goes horribly wrong and you see only manipulation.
            Of course there’s an emotional element. It’s a relationship based faith centred around love. But don’t assume I don’t question, don’t read or grew up in the faith. I was stunned by the superiority comment. ” We are all sinners and have fallen short of the glory of God” doesn’t support that accusation. If you knew me and my background you could potentially laugh at the thought. There are comments on this blog where sincere believers are only too aware of their own shortcomings. Fear?None in my experience involving my faith. Are you talking about fear of punishment like old fire and brimstone preachers or some weird peer pressure community that call unchristian attitudes ( spreading fear, prejudice and judgement) Christian?Christianity should be about humility and love. But becoming humble can take a long time. People don’t change quickly. My mind, my heart, my will and my spirit should all be involved in my faith as a way of life. An emotion dominated faith can lead to messed up Christianity, easily swayed by others. Currently I’m wading through a book that discusses ancient historical and cultural elements of Christianity. A common mistake people make when reading the Bible is to try and make sense of it through 21st century perspectives and understanding of the world which of course didn’t exist then. Context is everything. There are also some good online discussions about science in the Bible. As a new Christian I did consider that a super powerful being could arguably create all in six days because I try not to be close minded. but my understanding of Genesis developed and it is not a literal explanation of how the universe was created but an assertion of God’s truth to an ancient people that life was not cyclically repeating as was common belief then but had beginning and end, a revolutionary concept amongst the belief systems of that time. It challenges other beliefs of that time in how it is written too. Having spent a long time with God now I have never experienced Him rush through anything. He is thorough. What scientific evidence exists also supports the concept of the emergence/ development of our planet as it is over a vast period of time. If we had hours and days sitting over a coffee I could explain the many “coincidences”, communications, prayers answered and interesting odd otherwise so far inexplicable experiences in my life, and those I know, that indicate the possibility of a being existing who adheres to ways laid down in the Bible. I could give a few examples of physically measurable changes in response to prayer. There isn’t time or space here. And of course that’s if you wanted to know. There are many who could give you better rational arguments than I. I’m afraid I’m past my sharpest years. Or indeed if you were a friend we would be talking about anything since that’s what friends do. It’s not about conversion. I do wish you well. Take care. ( Does this message typer keep deleting more than its asked to for anyone else? I’m trying to write on my smart phone. It’s painfully laborious.)



      • vince on June 19, 2020 at 4:58 pm

        The Bible itself is a perfect roadmap for life, people are not and never will be. God/ Jesus is the ultimate example of how to live, people are not. Yes Christians as a whole should be better people and most have a heart after God, but some are not such good examples. The Bible has the answers to the worlds problems if we will only follow. God gives peace and changes lives if and when you believe…..not just say the words, but really truly believe. No need to wait till the end of life to find out…..you CAN find out now…if God exists and is who he says he is. There is very very much evidence to that fact if you will only look….seek….

        • Captain Cassidy on July 30, 2020 at 3:36 pm

          I spent half my life as a fervent believer. But you’re wrong. This world does not actually offer a single bit of evidence for any religion’s claims. None. What the Bible says about reality does not line up with reality.

          What finally broke me of belief was that realization. It started fairly small: I noticed that my prayers had changed dramatically in nature some years after joining Pentecostalism (at the time considered dangerous extremists by other evangelicals; now they’re barely in competition for that title). When I’d first converted, I’d prayed for an end to cancer and war, for big dramatic things. But by then, I was praying for my god to lend me help in situations, to “just be with” this or that person, and the usual meaningless “hedge of protection” blahblah.

          But the kicker was my pastor getting brain cancer. He was a very big name in my denomination, so millions of Christians prayed earnestly for his magical healing. Obviously, he only declined. On his deathbed, my then-husband tried to stage a dramatic healing–invaded this poor man’s deathbed vigil with a bottle of olive oil in hand! The family rightly kicked him out. That night, that pastor died in misery. It blew my mind. This death violated every Bible promise there was about prayer.

          When I found out a while later about the incident with my husband, I went to my Bible to read and study it more. I needed to know exactly what it said, and I needed to make sure it aligned with reality.

          That night I deconverted. Now that I knew what it said, I could see nothing about it aligned with reality.

          Deconversion is as simple a process as a child losing belief in Santa when she finds presents wrapped in the closet and a Santa costume hanging next to them. The Bible makes a lot of claims, and over time I’d see that none of them actually show up in reality.

          So sorry, but you’re flat wrong.

          • Terry on August 2, 2020 at 4:31 pm

            Cassidy, I appreciate that you’ve shared this personal experience as I’ve struggled with prayer myself. How do we know if God will answer? What if what we want isn’t what He wants? The first time my furbaby presented with an autoimmune disorder 7 years ago, I took her to specialists first to find out why she suddenly couldn’t walk and then how to help her. And I prayed for her. My friends and family prayed for her. I was already reading the Bible regularly but now I studied verses on trust and hope. I took her to the vet for regular treatments for months, and within weeks she was much better – more than the vets expected and in contrast to most cases like hers. The process was emotionally excruciating for me but it was a spiritual “growth spurt” as I learned to trust God and surrender control. She had a brief relapse a year and a half later, and again I took her for treatment and prayed for her, fearing that perhaps this time the treatments wouldn’t work, but they did and she enjoyed several more years of quality life. Then at 13 her condition returned with a vengeance, and although we got her walking again she never fully recovered and remained on a downward spiral for the next two years until she left us this past January. The whole time – and especially over her final three months – we did everything we could for her to retain her mobility and improve her quality of life (although she wasn’t in pain from what we were told), and still I prayed for insight and that God would show me how to fix her.

            After she died I wondered what I’d done wrong. Did I not choose the right treatment, or not pray hard enough, or use the right words? Had God failed me? She had always been the comeback-kid and defied expectations, so why not this time? We are finally building our new house after 12 years of waiting, and I had so hoped she would still be with us and could at least walk down the driveway with me to check the mail. Now as my fears of moving into an empty house – a mausoleum, as it were – are coming true, the analogy that occurred to me in the course of removing the Chinese privet from our yard has remained in my mind: that where we see devastation, God sees a new beginning. Sometimes He answers our prayers in the way we want Him to, but sometimes not and it doesn’t seem right or fair; but trusting Him despite circumstances is more important than the outcome of our prayers. I might be interested to know what your pastor’s thoughts and comments were on his own condition, as it may be that his flame burned all the more brightly in his passing than it did during his lifetime.

            I realize that this addresses only one aspect of your deconversion, that you’re asking for proof that God exists and that the Bible is true. I doubt that I’m enough of an apologist to offer these, but I will say that these are where faith comes in, and faith is not blind but is based upon experience – which in turn is personal like your own story, and mine. Praying for an end to cancer and war are noble and selfless (more so than my own prayers), but not seeing these things happen doesn’t mean the Bible’s promises aren’t true. Christ made an end to these things which we haven’t seen yet but will happen; and in the meantime He works toward peace and healing through flawed people. As for the Bible not lining up with reality, I might ask for examples but in a sense you are correct in that it stands in contrast with the real world in the standards that it sets. On the other hand it is uncanny in its portrayal of human nature (e.g., Proverbs 1:10-19) which hasn’t changed since it was written. Otherwise I’m inclined to think that where scripture doesn’t align with our preconceptions, it’s the latter that needs to change. What you call “deconversion” is not a surprise to God, and He hasn’t given up on you. In time you may well add this portion of your life to your eternal story.



  43. Anonymous on March 31, 2020 at 6:07 pm

    I assume by life-style choices you mean being gay.

    • A Christian on April 6, 2020 at 11:35 am

      Haha that’s quite the assumption, but I see where it comes from. Lifestyle choices that people may feel judged by Christians from probably include, sex outside of marriage, so living together obviously, then there’s drinking, smoking, gambling, pornography, wearing clothes that reveal a figure, swearing… I think the list is endless. And that’s the problem. And its all ridiculous because if you’d love God and if Jesus isn’t done revealing to you how much more fulfilling His way of life is than what we’ve always done, and seen and been taught then why on earth would we live any differently…

      • vince on April 6, 2020 at 1:45 pm

        I think people feel convicted around Christians in general and confuse that with feeling judged by them. Some could care less but the ones who feel judged, feel something and that can be a good thing. Christians need to be careful not to sound and act judgemental for sure, but they are not responsible for anothers feelings regarding the judging necessarily. Feeling “convicted” of behavior should be different than feeling judged..

    • Captain Cassidy on June 16, 2020 at 6:10 pm

      Similarly, “sinful” always denotes something sexual.

      Think about this:

      “a sinful woman”

      Did you see her as being very sexual? Of committing victimless offenses involving sex? Probably!

      • Terri on June 17, 2020 at 4:15 am

        It’s odd that some people focus mainly on sexual sin. It’s not a presumption that should be made. I like that Jesus got most angry with religious people full of pride and self righteousness who enjoyed positions of power. I love that He cared about all the marginalised people of his day. That is who we follow. Follow more closely Church!

  44. Kristi on March 3, 2020 at 11:46 am

    Great article. Christians are sinners. I am a believer, a Christian, and I know I see hypocracy in others as well as myself at times. It’s hard. I think Christians are like other groups… the negative comes to the forefront. We also have a racist history to overcome. Churches as a group have to identify the past issues as well as current ones. It’s difficult. As an individual, I struggle with keeping the mindset that I know Christ wants me to have especially when that guy cuts me off in traffic… Lol. I see well meaning Christians (I’m guilty) say the wrong thing, come across the wrong way. I just try to think before I speak or act. Daily prayer and reading my Bible really help keep me mentally focused. It’s a daily struggle. I don’t want to win the battle and lose the war. My belief is that ultimately we will either spend eternity worshipping God in heaven or burning in hell. My desire is to just be a witness and leave the rest up to God.

    • Hannah Jones on April 12, 2020 at 3:51 pm

      and there’s my biggest problem with those who believe in an afterlife .. … .. why can’t you just accept the fact that when you die, you are dead forever? vince posted “Why anyone would not want eternal life ia a perfect heaven is hard to figure.” well, vince, i have no desire to live forever, in a perfect place or elsewhere .. .. .. my ego is at peace with the knowledge that someday i will no longer exist, it comes from being able to accept reality .. .. .. living in fear of eternal damnation is a huge waste of time and energy, for god’s sake, you’re just not that important

      • Mel on April 19, 2020 at 4:43 pm

        Oh but Hannah Jones you (we) are that important, God sent His only son to die for you, you’re that important and that loved.

        • Hannah Jones on April 19, 2020 at 8:17 pm

          mel, if you believe that, i’ve got some ocean-front property here in arizona i’ll sell you real cheap! LOL .. .. .. oh, btw, nobody can die for you or your sins, it’s your life and your sins, own them! it’s much healthier for you to learn from your mistakes, forgive yourself for them, and move on .. .. .. if you want to believe that there is more to it, then own that too! own your beliefs, own your faith, but please, don’t call it the truth, you are not qualified to say what will happen after you die, no human is or ever was qualified, no matter how elaborate the rumors to the contrary are!!!

          • Terry on April 20, 2020 at 6:26 am

            Hannah, the idea of someone else dying for us does seem incredible and may even violate our own sense of pride in being able to own our own mistakes and even “fix” ourselves. We are certainly free to own our own sins, but as ultimate justice demands death for anything less than perfection that would mean eternity separated from God – an eternal death. Because none of us is perfect God provided a way out through Jesus. Even if we were to own our own mistakes, we can’t erase them. That would be like trying to wash muddy hands with more mud. And if we can’t wash our own hands of our mistakes, we’re not qualified to forgive ourselves either. But because Jesus was already perfect and lived a perfect life here on earth, He is the only person qualified to pay the penalty for our sin. We know that He did and that God accepted this arrangement because Jesus rose again (and there is historical proof that this happened, btw). Christians don’t know much about what happens after death but if we believe in what Jesus did for us than we can trust that God will accept us after we die.



      • Terri on April 20, 2020 at 2:48 am

        Yep. I am a Christian now but Eternity was for me an abhorrent thought to begin with. This life is hard enough I thought, who would want more of it? Not existing seemed a lovely peaceful thought, an end to pain, troubles etc. I discovered that living through it with God, I grew, healed, became increasingly less selfish and able to help others more. Life is still hard but manageable & I can do more about making the world a little better now. As for the Afterlife well considering there are numerous experiences that suggest a spiritual existence is grounded in reality, including my own now, I thought it wiser then to consider the possibility that it could be real & if so then what would I do. Heaven isn’t clearly described in Christian doctrine. Perhaps because physical people struggle with getting their heads round spiritual life, what term of reference could we relate to? What is clear about it is that all the stuff in this life that makes it so difficult isn’t in that one. It’s also a life albeit eternal in the presence of real love not the often broken distorted kind of love we get here. Over the years praying & getting to know God/ Jesus I have to say an eternity with Him makes the concept of living forever a lot more palatable even if it is an idea I don’t naturally long for.

        • vince on April 26, 2020 at 11:04 am

          Remember there are two forces at work here. One to confuse you, and one to make things clear. The Bible talks of this many times and if you look at this book that has survived thousands of years written by 40 men inspired by God you will find truth. Truth is what we need, and as the book says,”will set you free”. Many people who were confused by life and headed down a terrible path have been changed by God. There are many of these testimonies. There IS hope, and there can be GREAT change in your life and it has happened for many. If only people would take the time to look with an open mind their lives can be changed forever…for the better. This should be the priority of all people yet many do not take the time to seriously look at who Jesus was and why he was here……

    • Captain Cassidy on June 16, 2020 at 6:16 pm

      If your roadmap worked, this wouldn’t be “a daily struggle.” It’s astonishing how many Christians accidentally reveal that their entire belief system DOES NOT DO what it promises. Ever. Non-Christians don’t “daily struggle” to be decent human beings, to avoid road rage, maintain mental focus, etc. It’s not because you’re especially sinful or we’re just naturally less sinful, believe me. It’s just we’re not using broken roadmaps to learn to manage our feelings. You are.

      Your hell-belief has created all manner of problems in your life, and you just revealed a bunch of them here without even realizing it. Your terror of the unknown and fear of death have been manipulated by hucksters. You’ve bought their bill of goods, all to imperfectly assuage your fears of eternal, limitless, unending, meaningless pain for noncompliance with ridiculous demands on your time and resources. And then (this is the brilliant part of Hell-based marketing) you’ve warped yourself six ways from Sunday to believe that the creator of that horrifically wicked cosmology is worth worshiping rather than fighting to your last breath, as any petulant, narcissistic tyrant threatening you with torture should be.

      But rest easy. It doesn’t exist, he doesn’t exist, it’s not actually a real thing you must work to avoid. Be not afraid. Without Hell to push you into accepting false beliefs, to keep you from having the mental energy to even consider the truth or falseness of the claims, I wonder what you’d be able to manage in terms of self-improvement? What roadmap would you find that actually works? I bet you’d find one. Maybe you will one day. I have hope for everyone.

  45. Jon on February 25, 2020 at 4:04 am

    As a Christian with autism, deep trauma, and complex PTSD, I do not have the ability to create friendships. You say that non-Christians hate this about me. There is not much I can do about this. I keep trying to interact with people. Friendships don’t seem to grow. I am in deep therapy with a Christian psychologist. I don’t know how not to drive people away from Christ with my constant failure at friendships however. I am so broken.

    • Carey Nieuwhof on February 25, 2020 at 3:03 pm

      Hey Jon,

      I am so sorry about the difficulties you are working through. You have a hard life, and I don’t want to pile on top of that.

      In the article, I say that the real problem isn’t Christians who have a hard time with friendships, but Christians who don’t pursue relationships at all. Here’s the exact quote: “relatively few Christians actively pursue meaningful friendships with people who don’t share their faith.”

      Jon, I want you to take care of you. Your situation is more than understandable and I don’t think anyone is angry with you about this.

      I’m cheering for you to have a brighter future ahead.

      Carey

      • Captain Cassidy on July 30, 2020 at 3:54 pm

        No offense intended, Carey, but your instructions about friendship won’t work anyway even for NTs. You advise people to make friends with the unwashed heathens around them so they can eventually pitch their product (membership in their group) to them. Your approach is just as bad as the ones evangelicals follow now with “friendship evangelism.” It’s still being done to sell product. And trust me, it will only hurt the people your followers target with their totally-for-realsies sincerity. We know. Many of us avoid fervent Christians as a matter of course just to avoid the pain of getting ghosted when we reject the inevitable sakes pitch. If we don’t, we’re always bracing for it.

        Look. Be friends with no aim to turn your friends into Christians. If you can’t accept them as they are, differing faith and all, don’t be friends. If they really want to know about your religion, they’ll ask. If they never ask, would you still be their friend? Because these days, that’s how it’s gonna go. Nobody thinks Christians are “I dunno, just different I guess.” Nor that they seem happier, better-put-together, or better-educated than we are. Their ideology offers nothing we need. So if this friendship begins with the Christian eventually expecting to create an opening for a sales pitch, it’s best not to enter it at all. (And your reframing of the sales pitch itself was really dishonest, by the way. It’s still a sales pitch no matter how you word it, and it’s still going to be unwelcome and hurtful to the recipient.)

        I wonder sometimes if Christian leaders do their best to sabotage mixed-faith relationships by saddling Christians with instructions guaranteed to destroy those relationships (or prevent them from happening). Nothing destroys immersion in their big pretendy game like close association with people who don’t want to play along. The very last thing those leaders should want is their followers getting too cozy with non-believers.

    • Kathy on February 26, 2020 at 1:30 am

      Hi Jon
      I am sorry you have such a deep struggle in your life and my heart goes out to you. Please realize that YOU are not driving people away from Christ. I believe the people Carey refers to are ‘Christians’ who keep themselves separated from the ‘broken’ people of this world, and unlike Christ, do not try to befriend others who may be ‘outside the Church family’. If you love Jesus Christ and are doing your best to follow his example, let me assure you He is right there beside you and certainly not blaming you for driving people away from Him.

      Please look after yourself and continue your therapy. And please don’t look at yourself as ‘broken’. You are someone who is ‘on the mend’, with the help of your friend, Jesus Christ, and His team of helpers. Wishing you the strength of hope in 2020.

      May “The Lord bless you and keep you; the Lord make his face shine on you and be gracious to you; the Lord turn his face toward you and give you peace.” Numbers 6:24-26

    • Samantha Love on March 2, 2020 at 10:03 am

      Aurora – She is a famous artist who has autism – for no reason except pure love and wanting to share a great artist and music with you – by the way you are not broken all we need is to find all the pieces and put you back together with love – I was a Catholic gone Christian, studied at the Christian Family Church and i saw a lot of darkness in the church and cried for months, i was only a project asd they called me and my “demons” – i call them guides anyway people will always fear what they do not understand and most will not understand you and that IS OKAY anyway – don’t see your autism, deep trauma, and complex PTSD, ability to create friendships as problems but use them to guide you on your life path – then i studied all religions and cultures and loved how connected we all were without even knowing and you are apart of the circle of Unconditional Love even with your challenges – they make your life far more important and your lessons, harder and your lessons will be rewarded but do not allow anyone to break you down for being beautiful and special – I am now a spiritualist and i unconditionally love – like the dog who has been kicked too many times but still would be there for my owner on his darkest of days – YOU HAVE THE ABILITY just this world DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO COMPREHEND your amazing spirit. Peace, Light and Love be to you Jon. – I do not know you but feel you. Be kind to yourself because the world is harsh enough on people who are not fitting into their “normal” society okay.

    • Terry on March 2, 2020 at 11:00 am

      Jon, I have a brother with Asperger’s Syndrome, who has never been able to support himself financially or form lasting friendships; but this does not make him a mistake. The people we perceive as having “disabilities” may in fact have a capacity to be closer to God than the rest of us can imagine. I would echo Carey’s and Kathy’s words and encourage you to press into Christ and continue becoming who He would have you to be, not what the world says you should be. When all is said and done we are all broken at some level, but acknowledging this is the first step toward becoming whole. As the apostle James wrote, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”

    • Margie Wright on March 20, 2020 at 8:20 am

      Hi Jon
      I understand autism having been a special Ed teacher for 30+years. We need to pray that God will place people in your life who ‘get you’. Yes Christians should love u conditionally but many are not so good at it. Also as u said it is difficult for you simply because of who you are. You are a unique wonderfully made man of God. Jesus is your best friend and I will pray He will be all you need Yet bless you will individuals who will become true friends in Christ Do not give up. We are to always hope for life’s challenges to improve. Certainly the Lord knows your need and He Will meet it. God bless and k ow others are praying for you!!

  46. Patricia Cowan on February 7, 2020 at 5:23 pm

    Be more like Jesus and don’t breed. Even better walk in the desert for 40 yrs. None will be missed.

    • Terri on April 8, 2020 at 3:27 am

      Patricia are you referring to the article in general because the posts immediately above yours are dealing with a vulnerable person with literal language issues? If you are offended by general Christianity or have been hurt by individual people who supposedly followed that faith, I’m so sorry that’s happened to you. Please remember that not everyone is identical however. Not every American is the same, or every white person, and the same goes for every large group of people who share something. The above article questions judgement. My non Christian upbringing was very judgemental. I found acceptance in this faith & started learning how to love. Now that’s a good thing whatever the setting isn’t it? Credit the good stuff, change the bad. That’s something everyone of any belief /philosophical persuasion can embrace to improve things. Many people feel like they are wandering the wilderness & are in pain. Many others expect people to conform to a narrow view of what they are comfortable with and hurt people. Words can build or destroy. Maybe we should all just be more responsible & think about the consequences of our words and actions…. what do you think?

      • Terry on April 8, 2020 at 5:18 am

        Terri, well-said.

  47. Brian Harrison on January 17, 2020 at 8:39 am

    Jesus was welcomed by a few. He had just 12 Disciples. One of which Judas Iscariot betrayed him with a kiss on the cheek for 30 pieces of silver. Matthew 26: 14-15 Filled with remorse he returned the money to the Temple. Shortly there after he went into a farm field and hung himself. Where the term “bought the farm” comes from. Acts 1:18. Even the Sadducee’s and Pharisees (Chief Priests) accused him of many things. Mark 15:3.
    Jesus knew that to follow his teachings and his way would not be acceptable to many. Matthew 16:24-26 Jesus said “take up your cross and follow me”.
    Jesus was just too tolerant for the rules of that day and time. They didn’t care for the people he associated with. Jesus said “I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
    Read the above scriptures closely. John 8:31-32 the truth will set you free.
    May Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior find what I have written here acceptable. Let me get out of the way. Amen

    • Nga on January 17, 2020 at 4:25 pm

      N

  48. Liz on January 4, 2020 at 6:36 pm

    I came across this post when I googled “How do I stop hating people as a Christian?” I didn’t have any single person or group of people in mind when I wrote that. It’s just a general feeling of dislike for people at large, especially in large groups. (I get very, very frustrated in traffic, as you can imagine.)

    I’m a Christian, but people in general get on my last nerve. They didn’t used to when I was younger, but the older I get, the more irksome and frustrating I find the human population. From constant bad news on the Internet, to having to deal with inexperienced or irate people at fast-food restaurants, to dealing with people who DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DRIVE OR WHERE THEY ARE GOING, I just feel a constant wave of dislike bordering and sometimes crossing over into actual hatred.

    Like I said, it’s not any specific group of people. Just a general sort of thing. I don’t like feeling like this, but it’s how things have been recently.

    What’s worse, part of me doesn’t want to change. :/ I know that’s terrible, and I know that attitude can send me to Hell if I keep it up. But I’m just so, so tired of people being….imperfect. (Yes, even myself. I get incredibly irritated with my own imperfections as well. I don’t mean sin, though that’s frustrating, too. I mean like accidentally spilling a little soda when I’m trying to pour it into a glass, or dropping something, or whatever. Little things.)

    Full disclosure, I haven’t frequented church in a while, and have had a very rough 2019. Loss of a parent, a major surgery, losing a job…it’s all kind of built up. So it could all have something to do with all of that.

    Anyroad, I feel like my candle burned itself out after I lit both ends and the middle a long time ago. How do I get a new candle? Where can I find it? Because I sure would like one..

    • vince on January 5, 2020 at 1:16 am

      That is a tough one. Know one knows how you are feeling better than you (except Jesus) so it is very hard for anyone to give advice/help. We are in a spiritual battle each day….God is love/goodness,…..Satan is bad, evil, and wants you to suffer. Sometimes we just have to lower the stress level, try to stop worrying, don’t sweat the small stuff, etc etc but even after trying all those things we sometimes feel terrible and do not always know exactly why. God is in charge of this messed up world and we should be thankful for each day and pray each day for peace in our lives. We cannot control everything but should have faith God has it under control….he has a plan….he is all knowing….

    • Kathy on January 18, 2020 at 11:56 pm

      Hi Liz. I am so sorry you have had such a tough year in 2019 and I can truly, personally, understand the way you have been feeling. However, the fact that you did your particular search and ended up here seems to indicate that part of you does want to change. I think that is part of the whole healing process after being through a very rough year of stressful things all piling on top of each other in your life. I am sure you can find a way to “get a new candle”. Speak kindly to yourself and nurture yourself before you try to deal with all those frustrating people around you. Just because you have not frequented church in while (I am in the same boat) does not mean that help from God is not available to you. You do not have to go to church to have a personal relationship with Him if you wish it. Seek out some grief counselling, because it sounds like you may need some to help you cope with the loss of your parent, as well as your major health issues – all these things can cause grief, anger and depression. Sometimes just having a chat with someone who understands can give you enormous support and help you to find peace. All the best for 2020. May you receive many blessings.

    • Doug williamson on January 20, 2020 at 9:48 am

      Have you ever tried meditation? I started many years ago in conjunction with yoga practice. Once you learn how to calm your mind and center yourself you will find your life falling into place, being at the right place at the right time. Eat healthy food and take time for yourself. Enjoy nature wherever you find it. Make a plan for your future, map out the steps and follow your path.

      • vince on January 20, 2020 at 10:19 am

        Yes meditation…necessary for peace. Maybe if we all have more peace and love we will all get along much better and make the world a better place. Enough hate out there….too much….we need peace for a happy life

      • Nzinga on January 27, 2020 at 12:03 pm

        Hello, Doug Williamson! I’m just trying to understand your advice. What did you mean by meditation?
        Are you talking about meditation on God’s Word?

        • Doug williamson on January 27, 2020 at 5:19 pm

          “God’s Word” is just what someone else wrote and trying to meditate through that lens will distort your experience. I am not a teacher but meditation is like ridig a bike, once you know how, you know how forever.

      • Ed on March 1, 2020 at 10:05 am

        Aliester Crowley wrote a book about yoga it is a pagan practice stop doing it and don’t follow new age christianity.. You’re being warned. God Bless you and your family..

        • doug williamson on March 1, 2020 at 10:50 am

          Well, I suppose if you add whatever “pagan practice” means to active and coordinated breathing and stretching exercises then you would be correct. I simply listen to quiet music of windchimes, rain and ocean sounds while going thru my routine. I am healthier, more active and my life is incredibly well balanced as a result. Of course I eat right, don’t drink alcohol to excess and avoid toxic people when I can. I feel sorry for the modern Christian (or Jew or Muslim or Hindu, etc.) that is searching their religion for answers. The answer is within you, but you have to ask the correct questions.
          If Christianity is so awesome, why are there so many Christian Apologists?
          Living without the burden of false faiths allows one to live in the moment and enjoy the pleasures and pains of the gift of life.

          • vince on March 1, 2020 at 11:55 am

            Christianity is so awesome because God is so awesome….no other reason. There are apologists only for those who do not believe in Jesus/God and need to hear why others believe. Belief in God is far far from a blind faith, it is faith in a person who is also God himself. The problem many have is they cannot accept the supernatural…..what God is and how he works. Yes, you must have faith to believe, but there is a person and much evidence to have reason to believe and we all have the same choice in life. If what Jesus said is true, we have eternal life with him. What will you do? What will you choose? The most important question in your life faces you……..



          • Hannah Jones on April 11, 2020 at 10:31 pm

            Jesus was a man. Some called him the son of god. He said we are all children of god. Jesus is dead. He is not now, nor ever was god. Those who worship dead guys are cultists. If you really believe in heaven and an afterlife with jesus, you would be standing in line to get the covid virus to help you on your merry, christian way.



          • Terry on April 13, 2020 at 8:35 am

            Actually Hanna, we’re no more eager to die than anyone else…not because we fear death but because we still have work to do (and people to love) here. If God killed us or we bumped ourselves off right after conversion, there would be nobody left to tell others about Jesus and what He did for us. And there would be far fewer people doing the work of helping others, so that the world would be a much darker, selfish and evil place. In fact the logical extreme of welcoming death would be to kill our babies so that they could just go straight to heaven and not have to deal with the evils of life. Of course that idea is ridiculous but it demonstrates that life is still precious even to those of us who believe in an afterlife.

            But Jesus never said that all people are God’s children…just those who choose to be.



      • Terri on April 8, 2020 at 2:21 pm

        Hi Doug
        I’ve been reading a lot of your posts with interest. You are absolutely right about needing to understand the Bible text and the way it reads can seem fantastical. One of the issues Western readers have is reading the text through 21 st Century eyes. While it can still inspire & help so many there’s a lot more sense to be found when it is studied with regard to context, original language, audience intended and writers intention of each separate book written. (As all writing should be read) A member of my family has noticed how revolutionary original Judaism was when viewed in the context of the belief systems of the times. One example being that thinking was largely cyclical like the Seasons. “In the beginning” suddenly becomes a mind blowing concept for the peoples of that time. Genesis was written for them not as an explanation of how the Earth came to be for us. For slaves with mixed up ideas coming out of slavery in Egypt. It’s too detailed & lengthy to go into here unfortunately but I’d like you to risk reading a book if you would because I don’t think you are a narrow close minded individual but possibly a man who wants intelligent well thought out responses from people who question things. ” In the beginning we misunderstood..” Johnny V Miller. Written by Christians I hasten to add.
        I also agree that Christian history is full of errors / awful things done in the name of Christ. I’m sorry that even now we fail ourselves, others and Jesus himself. Our aim is to become Christlike. That’s a huge ambition if you actually study His life and nature but in the trying/ along the way we improve which is surely a good thing. We vary as to how far off the mark we are when we start the journey depending on personality and background. The offer is after all open to all people. The history of all humanity is often, sad, enraging, disappointing. Whenever man puts self first the consequences are rarely positive. This is true of churches, particularly when led by the State, by ruthless self serving individuals taking over what is robbed by becoming institutionalised. It is sadly the basic nature of man to serve self. We are at our best when we learn to serve others.
        I am glad you find happiness in the day, in so many beautiful things that exist in life. Life should be viewed as a gift since we don’t know how much or little we have. I hope at the end of all your discourses you find that there is a place for reason and people who think and question within Christianity and still remain in it, not because they were brought up to it necessarily but because in the active pursuit of Christ they find a genuine relationship that mends the damaged person, strengthens the weak & provides a hope that enables them to get through some really awful times. That’s a pretty great thing to discover wherever in the world it is discovered. It would be interesting to compare American cultural influences to African on current Christianity for example & strip away those influences to get to the heart of it. I wish you well.

        • Doug williamson on April 9, 2020 at 9:28 am

          thank you. I hope you and yours stay safe through this pandemic.
          may you live long and prosper

          • Terri on April 9, 2020 at 11:55 am

            I hope you & yours stay safe too Doug
            I’m sure many people will come through this crisis wiser & hopefully things will change for the better.
            Peace and long life to you too.



        • vince on April 12, 2020 at 4:36 pm

          Jesus was dead yes, but no longer if you actually look in to it. The Bible is unique…more than any other book in history. It tells of miracles witnessed by hundreds, prophecies written by many authors over hundreds and hundreds of years then later fulfilled in Jesus life. The odds of even 8 of those prophecies being fulfilled in one person are 1 in 10 to the seventeenth power, (according to scientists),,and there were a few hundred prophecies fulfilled in Jesus. You can ignore it, or look in to it. It would seem wise that if this is all true you may want to at least be aware of it before making any kind of intelligent decision. Even atheist historians agree the tomb of Jesus was guarded by several Roman guards, sealed,corded off, and Jesus body was in the tomb…dead. Then the tomb was empty again witnessed by people. You have a right to your opinions…but hopefully they are informed opinions…

          • Hannah Jones on April 12, 2020 at 5:40 pm

            vince, i don’t know which version of the bible you are referring to here, there have been so many over the centuries .. .. .. in the 16th century when the stories of Jesus and the promise of an afterlife made their way to the English countryside, the impoverished, low class servants of King James thought their lives were going to finally change for the better, imagine it! heaven, the land of milk and honey, no problems, no work, no disease, and how do you get there? all you have to do is die!!! the suicide rate among his starving throngs got King James all freaked out! he ordered his scholars to put an amendment in the bible making suicide a sin .. .. .. you cannot get to heaven if you kill yourself, ha! and so ended the hopes and dreams of those wretched masses .. .. .. looks like many re-writes to the King James version have occurred in the latter part of the 20th century and this century as well, Jesus is now god himself and if you die a fully-bedazzled mormon, you not only get to go to heaven, you get to be a god in your own heaven! holy cow! what’s next?



    • gail on March 22, 2020 at 10:33 am

      Liz, it sounds to me like you may be dealing with depression. You have had a very rough year and it has probably taken a toll on your health. Be kind to yourself now, be patient with yourself you are walking through a lot and sound depleted. Perhaps seeing a doctor and taking some medication will help. Take on a healthy lifestyle like eating healthy, excise etc. Talk to God, tell Him how your feeling He loves and cares for you. Seek some help.

      • vince on April 13, 2020 at 12:12 pm

        H. Jones…The BIble was written over a 1500 year period by 40 authors with the central message being that God wants a relationship with us, wants us to know him,and we can have eternal life. The Bible was translated from the original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic languages not “other ” translations you mention. These source texts are based on thousands of ancient manuscripts. The accuracy of the Bible has been confirmed by the Dead Sea scrolls discovered in Israel in 1947. These scrolls were 1000 years older than any existing manuscripts at the time and matched 99.5% in accuracy. The .5% inaccuracy was sentence structure and spelling that did not change the meaning in any way. The New Testament has 5000 hand written copies. Far far more than any other book in history. I think 900 is the second place by Aristotle. The Bible was written by 40 authors over a thousand years and all authors say the same basic thing. Historians of all beliefs agree to it’s accuracy. If you want to be sure, the evidence is here for the looking. It is far far more than many people realize or take the time to really find out. It is there for all of us to see…..

    • Shelley on April 12, 2020 at 9:27 am

      Know that you are not alone. God is with you through every thought. Keep on the path Liz.

  49. Albert R Begin on January 3, 2020 at 9:29 am

    I can sum up the distinction between my faith and that of Christians. As a humanist I believe that we are inherently good and turned “evil” by circumstances, which can be mitigated via education. Christians believe that we are inherently evil and need salvation. I abandoned Christianity at age seven when I was informed about “original sin”.

    • Terry on January 3, 2020 at 10:25 am

      Albert…you are correct in your distinction, but I wonder what your definition of “original sin” is. For some reason many people assume this to be sex, which is not supported by scripture at all (Sex itself is, but not it being original sin). But if you mean that people are inherently evil, then your understanding is correct. There’s a reason we don’t have to teach children to lie, steal, use foul language, be disrespectful, etc., as they’re already inclined to do these things. Rather we have to show them why there are negative consequences even if there’s an initial payout. But even with education to mitigate the evil, any future “good” cannot rectify a spirit that is already contaminated by past evil. I don’t know to what extent small children are held accountable and I think it varies with the individual. But it took a perfect life – which only Jesus lived – to accomplish this “cleansing”. That is why we need salvation.

      • Doug williamson on January 4, 2020 at 10:24 pm

        Salvation is just something people made up so they can feel better about having done something wrong. All of those of you studying endlessly looking for answers you’ll never find should go have a latte and start enjoying this life while you can.

        • vince on January 4, 2020 at 11:23 pm

          I lived your life at one time…much much better now..and I am not the only one…God changes lives

        • r c jordan on May 10, 2020 at 9:04 pm

          For they reasoned unsoundly, saying to themselves,
          “Short and sorrowful is our life,
          and there is no remedy when a man comes to his end,
          and no one has been known to return from Hades.
          2 Because we were born by mere chance,
          and hereafter we shall be as though we had never been;
          because the breath in our nostrils is smoke,
          and reason is a spark kindled by the beating of our hearts.
          3 When it is extinguished, the body will turn to ashes,
          and the spirit will dissolve like empty air.
          4 Our name will be forgotten in time,
          and no one will remember our works;
          our life will pass away like the traces of a cloud,
          and be scattered like mist
          that is chased by the rays of the sun
          and overcome by its heat.
          5 For our allotted time is the passing of a shadow,
          and there is no return from our death,
          because it is sealed up and no one turns back.
          6 “Come, therefore, let us enjoy the good things that exist,
          and make use of the creation to the full as in youth.
          7 Let us take our fill of costly wine and perfumes,
          and let no flower of spring pass by us.
          8 Let us crown ourselves with rosebuds before they wither.
          9 Let none of us fail to share in our revelry,
          everywhere let us leave signs of enjoyment,
          because this is our portion, and this our lot.
          10 Let us oppress the righteous poor man;
          let us not spare the widow
          nor regard the gray hairs of the aged.
          11 But let our might be our law of right,
          for what is weak proves itself to be useless.
          12 “Let us lie in wait for the righteous man,
          because he is inconvenient to us and opposes our actions;
          he reproaches us for sins against the law,
          and accuses us of sins against our training.
          13 He professes to have knowledge of God,
          and calls himself a child[a] of the Lord.
          14 He became to us a reproof of our thoughts;
          15 the very sight of him is a burden to us,
          because his manner of life is unlike that of others,
          and his ways are strange.
          16 We are considered by him as something base,
          and he avoids our ways as unclean;
          he calls the last end of the righteous happy,
          and boasts that God is his father.
          17 Let us see if his words are true,
          and let us test what will happen at the end of his life;
          18 for if the righteous man is God’s son, he will help him,
          and will deliver him from the hand of his adversaries.
          19 Let us test him with insult and torture,
          that we may find out how gentle he is,
          and make trial of his forbearance.
          20 Let us condemn him to a shameful death,
          for, according to what he says, he will be protected.”
          Error of the Wicked
          21 Thus they reasoned, but they were led astray,
          for their wickedness blinded them,
          22 and they did not know the secret purposes of God,
          nor hope for the wages of holiness,
          nor discern the prize for blameless souls;
          23 for God created man for incorruption,
          and made him in the image of his own eternity,[b]
          24 but through the devil’s envy death entered the world,
          and those who belong to his party experience it.
          [Wisdom, ch. 2]

    • Kathy Konkle on January 15, 2020 at 12:59 pm

      My take on Christianity is that man doesn’t have a brain powerful enough to understand what God is or what God wants any more than you can teach physics to an Earthworm. Anyone who claims to know what God is or what God wants is a liar and a manipulator.

      I’m not an atheist but I refuse to belong to any organized religion because of all the harm they do with their “them vs us” mentality. “I’ll pray for you” means “I don’t approve of you and I use God as my weapon to try and intimidate you.” “Bless you” basically means “fuck you” if said to someone the “Christian” doesn’t agree with. Many of today’s so-called Christians are “ChristoFascists” and the Evangelicals are off their rockers. The rampant hypocrisy and pushiness of the “Christians” is appalling. “Christian” support for Trump and/or the GOP is unforgivable. One thing I’ve learned since the 2016 US election is that many “Christians” are racists.

      Believe whatever you want but leave me out of it, get out of my face and out of my government. It’s way past time to tax the churches. Supposedly they have tax-exempt status because they do charity but I see little evidence of that. The best thing Christians could do to remedy their bad reputation would be to just shut up and keep their beliefs to themselves and stop trying to push their religion on others. Live and let live and keep in mind that Jesus was NOT a Christian.

      • Terry on January 15, 2020 at 4:30 pm

        Wow…You had me with that first sentence, but it pretty much went downhill from there.

        “Man doesn’t have a brain powerful enough to understand what God is or what God wants any more than you can teach physics to an Earthworm”

        I SO agree…this is why we have so many conflicting religions claiming to know how to attain enlightenment, nirvana, moksha, etc…and this is why it’s such a good thing God came to us to teach us about Himself, and gave us a book with a tiny snippet of this knowledge which is enough to study for a lifetime.

        As for the rest…I don’t think you’ve actually met many real Christians if the second paragraph is your impression. Get out of your government? So, you’d rather have a government with no moral standards, akin to fascist Germany, the USSR, communist China, the Ayatollahs or the Taliban? You see little evidence of charitable work by Christians…um, how about the hundreds of inner-city homeless shelters and soup kitchens? Or the international organizations that provide disaster relief and food and clothing to children and poverty-stricken families, which are supported by churches and individual Christians – Samaritan’s Purse? Compassion International? Food for the Poor? We should shut up and stop trying to push our religion on others? How is trying to live our lives the best we can while sharing the best news ever, “pushing” anything?

        Your last sentence was the only other correct one, as obviously Jesus could not have followed Himself.

        • Doug williamson on January 16, 2020 at 7:24 am

          We don’t need religion to have a moral compass. The most corrupt governments are run by religious people. The judeo/christian idea of god is pretty warped. By your own admission one needs 100s or 1000s of hours of study to understand it. So the good news is there are no half wits or illiterates in the next life.
          Try to live a year without religion or hoping some supernatural being is going to solve your problems. It is liberating.

          • Terry on January 16, 2020 at 10:05 am

            I didn’t say one needs thousands of hours to understand the Bible, just that one could spend a lifetime studying it as there is always more to learn. What people need to understand is pretty much on the surface, but they complicate it by trying to twist and distort the passages that require lifestyle or attitude changes, or don’t fit their concept of what “God” should be like. And yes, we do need belief in a unchanging, supernatural being in order to have a moral compass. Otherwise, what would we base our morals on? History has proven that humans are too fickle and selfish to be trustworthy in this regard – ergo ethnic cleansing, institutionalized racism, slavery, and other atrocities that have been deemed at one point or another to be good, right and even “natural”. But even if I tried to live without God for a year, He would not allow it. I don’t expect Him to fix all my problems; I expect Him to fix ME.



          • vince on January 16, 2020 at 11:25 am

            The simple message of the Bible is believe in Jesus as Lord and saviour and you will have everlasting life. The rest of the “study” just gives more reason to believe and helps you grow in faith and knowledge. The Bible is the most unique book in history. The guide book of life and where our morals come from. As mentioned left to ourselves morality could have many meanings. God loves us all and wants the best for us and the Bible repeats that over and over. Called the “Good Book” for good reason….



          • Kathy Konkle on January 16, 2020 at 12:05 pm

            If you live in the USA you might benefit from studying about our founding fathers. The country was founded on freedom of religion and that also means freedom FROM religion. There are over 200 religions practiced in the US and the Christians hold no monopoly on God even though they would like everyone to think that. Christians think their religion is the only right religion. They have no place in government. NONE. You are really out of line even suggesting that Christians in government would create a more “moral” society when they have proven over and over to have exactly the opposite effect. Oppression and attack on everyone NOT Christian is all they will ever achieve and NO ONE will be converted to believe in the Bible just because you try and force it on us. Worship any way you please but leave me out of it and I mean it. I will fight to the death to keep our country from adopting a National Religion. How would you like it if I had the power to decide that the National Religion would be Muslim? or that we should all be Sufis or Buddhists? You don’t like that do you? Selfishness and self-involvement is a characteristic of Christianity and so much suffering has been caused by Christians pushing their religion on others. I never hated Christians until they supported the Trump monster. I learned a new word this year. “Christofascists” That’s what they are. Moral Majority indeed. Ha! That’s a laugh.



          • vince on March 22, 2020 at 11:27 am

            Religion has little to do with God. In the name of religion, many have been killed in history and has caused great confusion. Jesus of the Bible is unique and claims over and over he is God….the one and only….NO others. Jesus came that we may have life eternal, and he is love as he has said. Forces of evil will confuse man, God never will. So we are in a battle of good vs evil. If you believe in God, you can fight this evil and win. Without God you ultimately lose. We all have the same information before us to make a choice. God loves us all…..



        • Kathy Konkle on January 16, 2020 at 11:18 am

          If you live in the USA you might benefit from studying about our founding fathers. The country was founded on freedom of religion and that also means freedom FROM religion. There are over 200 religions practiced in the US and the Christians hold no monopoly on God even though they would like everyone to think that. Christians think their religion is the only right religion. They have no place in government. NONE. You are really out of line even suggesting that Christians in government would create a more “moral” society when they have proven over and over to have exactly the opposite effect. Oppression and attack on everyone NOT Christian is all they will ever achieve and NO ONE will be converted to believe the nonsense in the Bible just because you try and force it on us. Worship any way you please but leave me out of it and I mean it. I will fight to the death to keep our country from adopting a National Religion. How would you like it if I had the power to decide that the National Religion would be Muslim? or that we should all be Sufis or Buddhists? You don’t like that do you? Selfishness and self-involvement is a characteristic of Christianity and so much suffering has been caused by Christians pushing their religion on others. I never hated Christians until they supported the Trump monster. I learned a new word this year. “Chritofascists” That’s what they are. Moral Majority indeed. Ha! That’s a laugh.

          • vince on January 16, 2020 at 11:33 am

            It came down to a choice between 2 people. One pro abortion, one pro life. No people are perfect and neither are Christians. People left to their own judgement will see what THEY want to see, not what really is in many cases. Corruption comes when morality goes away. Our founding Fathers based this country on Christian values and we have been slowly turning away from those and you can see the results. Selfishness is not a Christian trait. Love is but again, people are not perfect…….God is



          • kathy konkle on January 16, 2020 at 12:11 pm

            It’s best for me to just avoid Christians altogether because they are so pompous and self-righteous it’s infuriating. It’s a fact that most Atheists know way more about Christianity and other religions because unlike most Christians they don’t just take it “on faith” they actually learn about other religions. have you read the Quran? I have. have you studied Buddhism? Hinduism? ANYTHING? Have you ever even read the “Sermon on the Mount”? Not very likely based on the behavior of the so-called Christians today.

            I already regret signing up for this page and I’m out of here. I don’t want to talk to such narrow-minded self-involved hateful people who still think that their religion is the only “good” one. Disgusting. Goodbye.
            And NO you are NOT going to install Christianity as a US state religion. Not as long as I’m alive to fight back.



          • Kathy Konkle on January 16, 2020 at 1:00 pm

            Vince writes: “Our founding Fathers based this country on Christian values” That’s completely untrue. They based our Consitution on the right to practice religion in any way you please. The biggest lie Christians enjoy telling is that this was founded as a “Christian” nation. It plain and simple WAS NOT. Please go back and learn something about the forming of this country.

            Please if you want to belong to the cult known as Christianity thankfully you are free to do so but stop pushing your religion on others. All you’ll get is push back and a good smackdown which you would deserve. And NO that’s not “persecution” that’s self-protection from unwanted assaults and advances form hateful people who think their religion is the only one or the best one. Saying “Happy Holidays” is not an insult to Christians. It’s being fair and inclusive of all the other religions that are practiced in the US that have holidays around the same time as the Christians do. If you actually knew anything about your own religion you would know that much of it is based on far older Pagan rituals. Since the GOP is pure evil and claiming Christians as their vile “base” I’ve gone from tolerating Christians to hating them. Is that what you want? That’s what you’re asking for so don’t whine if we hate you for your obnoxiousness.



          • Terry on January 17, 2020 at 5:37 am

            To Kathy Konkle…I actually wouldn’t want a “Christian” government, as this would create problems of its own. I’ve seen it in the former USSR, where the Russian Orthodox Church has taken over the Russian Parliament so that even other Christian denominations have to jump through hoops to do any charitable work. The idea of our Founding Fathers was that there should be no state-mandated religion like the Church of England, but that everyone should be free to practice as he chooses – or not at all as you say. At the same time, Separation of Church and State (which isn’t in our founding documents but was coined by Thomas Jefferson) doesn’t mean that religion should not influence government; it should and must in order for people to have moral societies. And I do maintain that countries with historically “Christian” societies and governments have more freedoms and higher moral standards overall. North America, Western Europe and Australia are where women have the greatest freedoms and equality with men, where governments take things like sex-trafficking seriously rather than sweep them under the rug, and where people are least likely to be persecuted for not following the “majority’s” religion (like Islam). The problem we’re running into more and more here in the US is that conflicting belief systems mean differing moral standards, so that what you may perceive as “forcing” or oppression is simply Christians having to push back just to maintain our right to practice as we believe – e.g., not being forced to participate in a gay wedding or acknowledge a biological male as a female. As for studying other religions, I have read sections of the Quran and been exposed to Hinduism and Buddhism in school. I even had a conversation with a Bahai classmate. As I mentioned above, most faiths are about man reaching God (or some godlike state) by being good enough or following a particular code, whereas Christianity is about God coming to us. The difference is that simple. From your comments it looks like you’ve signed off to go be angry and won’t be reading this, but for the rest here it seemed a response was called for.



          • wade on March 11, 2020 at 5:56 pm

            this Kathy Konkle lady is crazy. America was built on Christian values and Donald trump is one of the most successful presidents to ever be in office. also Christians don’t force people to change religion they just introduce it to them. we Christians acknowledge that every one is on a journey and no matter where they are in that journey or what lifestyle (I belive Christianity is more of a lifestyle and less of a religion) they have they are welcome in Christian churches. concerning islam, I would recommend the book seeking allah finding jesus as that is about a mans faith journey from islam to Christianity. Also can you tell me what is bad about trump other than his more than usual usage of twitter cos I really wanna know? there’s no way Biden or Bernie is gonna be president. I can see your good at writing but your lacking in the knowledge department.



      • James Costich on February 1, 2020 at 9:07 pm

        It would be so nice if we could just tell religious extremists to keep it all in a closet where the rest of us don’t have to look at it but that’s not safe, sane or practical. People who teach their children to hate or else their god will burn them for all are abusing children. Those who value all life, those who want their tax dollars to go toward protecting all citizens including children can’t allow this. It does humanity no good at all to turn a blind eye to atrocity just because it has a “religion” label on it. We do far too much of that in the USA. The result is that currently things passing as “religion” are getting away with sexual abuse, rape, pedophilia and a whole lot of sado-masochism while pointing a finger of hate at LGBT and intersex people. Things claiming “religion” are getting away with teaching people utter bullshit while making laughably outrageous statements about reality that go way over the line to delusional thinking, again with the threat of damnation as incentive. We have every form of violence perpetrated against innocents in ways that fly in the face of the teachings of Jesus claimed in the Gospels at the hands of those who claim to be wallowing in holy blood. We don’t have to treat that kind of behavior and “theology”, (what could be more obscene than prosperity “theology”?) as if it’s legit, or as if it deserves respect. It doesn’t. Religion can and should be held accountable for it’s morals and ethics.

        • vince on February 2, 2020 at 10:46 am

          Wow….first off God is love and never condones hate. Treat others as you would have them treat you he says. People are the problem not God. God has a plan for us if we can only see it and believe it. It is simple and is not forced on anyone. How anyone can take a message of love and turn it to hate is amazing. God says in his word we are in a spiritual battle here….good vs evil. It is very clear to those looking closely we are in exactly that. Hopefully we can find a way to live with our differences and not hate each other in this world. Peace is a rare thing these days. God is our only hope……..

          • SJ on July 20, 2020 at 6:17 am

            I think there are lotta verses in the Bible that would disagree with this notion.… I can list several if you’d like. I’ll just drop three for you to address immediately and send more down the line:
            Psalm 137:8-9 (Saying that in the war of Israel lights and Babylonians, the chosen people should be overjoyed to throw infants against rocks)
            Isaiah: 9-16 (A holy prophets stating that God is condoning him to go on a murderous, rapacious rampage because a certain people do not believe in the word of God, and therefore must be punished)
            Judges 18:1-29 (God allowing the Israelites to completely slaughter a village of innocent people in order to give the chosen people a place to live)



        • Doug williamson on February 3, 2020 at 7:39 am

          Well said.

        • Sheila on July 20, 2020 at 8:17 pm

          So someone that says he wants to grab them by the pussy is a great president to Christians??? What??? I really do not understand at all.

        • Brother Isaac on November 9, 2020 at 8:18 am

          Sorry the WADE guy said no way Biden will be President, mmmmmh, prophet??

      • wade on March 11, 2020 at 6:04 pm

        we can tell your good at writing but you just need to do some actual research on the topics your covering. find some true evidence that supports your views and I’ll believe you

  50. Terry on December 30, 2019 at 8:43 pm

    Can I flag this post as inappropriate? Honestly, do people really expect to generate business with these sleazy tactics?

    • Jake Tisnik on April 10, 2020 at 5:06 pm

      Truth hurts… And this your pathetic comment is a proof that this post IS actually true.

      You Christians are judgemental hypocrites. Your favourite spending of time is to hate and judge everything and everyone what/who isn’t exactly how you wanna them be.
      You should LOVE everything and everyone. Not hate like you do. But I know that hating is easier.

      This article wasn’t written to “generate business with sleazy tactics”. It was written so you evil people who consider yourself better than others

      • Jake Tisnik on April 10, 2020 at 5:18 pm

        … thought about how they act and tried to change and be actually Christians. Not just jerks who call themselves Christians to boost their egos.

      • Terry on April 10, 2020 at 7:42 pm

        Jake…That comment was written under an obvious spam post, not in response to this article. My own comment should have been deleted as well as it is no longer needed.

      • vince on November 10, 2020 at 10:50 pm

        real Christians do love everyone and hate no one. They treat people as they want to be treated….just like the Bible asks us to. You may be dealing with false Christians…..they are out there….

    • Terry on April 10, 2020 at 7:44 pm

      I posted this below but I’d like to ask the moderator that my above comment in regard to the spam post (and this one) be removed as it no longer applies.

      • Jake Tisnik on April 11, 2020 at 9:47 am

        OK, then I’m sorry. 🙂

  51. Ntrinsic Protreptic on December 14, 2019 at 3:44 am

    Honestly, as someone who has around 400 to 500 scriptures memorized in three translations, I feel it is safe for me to say that there are several things not in alignment with sound doctrine. I think that’s dangerous. It is like raising one’s self above the authority of the apostles and prophets. There is an order, biblically speaking. I think too the fact that I’ve been a teacher in a church for over four years adds a little bit of credibility to my assertion.
    However, before I get into that, there are things that I agree with such as leading in love is better than judgement without mercy, which is or relates to James 2:13. I have found it’s good to put the scriptures because the majority of Christians don’t actually know the Bible in its entirety.
    As a straight A psych major going into the field of counseling and social work, I know how important it is to have a good understanding of human nature and behavior and how deep some issues go. One shouldn’t pretend to be a psychologist because that’s dangerous. I see that often from people and their lack of knowledge is very obvious. But people open up when they see that someone truly cares and so it must be real. Fear of judgment causes people to shrink back as does shame if they are not strong enough to accept criticism. Many are broken already. They do not believe they have value or are loved. But like I said, I agree with some things.
    My disagreement is on friendships. Paul said in second Corinthians 6 starting at verse 15 that light and darkness do not mix in speaking of human relationships. Again in 1 Corinthians 15 verse 33 Paul’s speaks about bad company corrupting good morality and to be sober minded and stop sinning for some have no knowledge of God and this was written to shame. This is truth and also social psychology. Even the elephants are wise enough to discern their surroundings and understand when something is off. As someone who was atheist until 30 and also a drug dealer and user, I can assure you that it’s not always good to have friendships with nonbelievers. I hurt people. People who wish to reach higher levels should have friends who are of the same mind. Now, I think it is good to associate with all people but only for a time or season in order to help, but there should be wisdom, prayer, and caution. God gives people a sound mind and wisdom. I also tempted many people into going further down into holes. I corrupted them. It often occurs slowly. You can see it when people began trying to fit in and if one does not curse when speaking I’ve seen them slowly begin to do that or mimic their behavior over time. I associate with the lowly as commanded by the apostle in Ronan’s twelve, and honor all people as commanded by the apostle in 1 Peter chapter 2 around 14 or 17, but I avoid doing what is not good and I exit before it goes down. The clever are always having to figure out ways to get out of problems, but the wise avoid them altogether. I have helped many by being a good example and not by lording over them as commanded by the apostle in 1 Peter chapter 5 by conducting myself in integrity. It is often to long-suffer which is written in Galatians 5 kjv or patience but long suffer puts depth to the process or how it goes. Many dwell in hedonistic pleasure, but as the apostle wrote in titus that those who live for pleasure are dead even though they live. Also Galatians 6 speaks on how one should rescue people out of their temptations and sin but in a spirit of gentleness and to be careful lest you fall into it also. People should be careful. Many do not know how deep darkness goes but ten years of meth addiction showed me a lot. Many are naïve. The result of being raised in church around relatively socially compliant people. I say that after recently writing a very large paper on organizational involvement and social deviancy. Also, Jesus helped people but told them a few times to go and sin no more lest something worse should occurs which is restated in other words in Galatians 6 about reaping what one sows. Also, John stated that he who is born of does not practice sinning any longer because Gods Spirit abides in him and that’s true but practice is the key word. I’ve read many books including the old mystics like John of the Cross and being a psych major I’ve read many books on that and philosophy. I agree with satisfaction being a life long process because flaws are constant, but I do not think they equal sin. Many do not even understand what sin even is. Anyway, I’ve already written too much lol, but enjoy writing. We need each other to edify and build each other up and that includes rebukes even sharp painful ones, as Dr. Carl Jung stated that nothing in the unconscious being brought into the conscious is without pain, but that causes growth and Paul said to rebuke the unruly and encourage the simple minded or faint hearted in Thessalonians 5. That also goes into Ephesians 5 around 14 about exposing peoples darkness so that it becomes light but going into Ephesians 4 the truth should be spoken in love and love going into 1 Corinthians 13; it has to be real and it’s even more powerful to lead the person there and let them become aware on their own because they can have ownership. That requires great skill. Anywho lol. Crazy I used to break windows out of churches and urinate on the doors and hated Christians and here I am taking about it haha, but God ya powerful and I feel that power saying it. They call it pneuma or the breath of God. Dynamis in acts 2:8 explosive and dynamic power. I learned much in one year which is a shame to many I meet who have been Christians for years. God honors time given in solitude to Him and that’s real and grants much inwardly. Peace.

    • Sundown on December 14, 2019 at 10:27 am

      Everything you said. I was also blessed because we have similar backgrounds and results in Christ. You Blessed me.