CNLP 561: Andy and Stacie Wood on Following Rick Warren, The Detailed Breakdown on How the Saddleback Succession Happened, How to Navigate the Grief and Promise of Transition, and Being Kicked out of the SBC

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Andy Wood did what many people thought (in his own words) “only an idiot might do”—become the pastor who follows Rick Warren. Andy breaks down the details of how the surprising call to Saddleback happened, exactly what they did during the transition, and how the congregations involved navigated the grief and promise of transition. Stacie Wood, Teaching Pastor at Saddleback, also joins the podcast later to discuss women in ministry and being kicked out of the SBC.

Welcome to Episode 561 of the podcast. Listen and access the show notes below or search for the Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and listen for free.



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Keynote speaker and preacher Albert Tate talks about how to craft a world-class talk, how he prepares a message, why recording a separate message for online services is a better approach, and how to read people not your notes when you’re preaching.

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Carey Nieuwhof is a best-selling leadership author, speaker, podcaster, former attorney, and church planter. He hosts one of today’s most influential leadership podcasts, and his online content is accessed by leaders over 1.5 million times a month. He speaks to leaders around the world about leadership, change, and personal growth.