One of the most listened to guests in the history of this podcast, Gordon MacDonald, returns to discuss the damage that driven leaders do, how he hit walls in his own leadership and how he got healthier.
In Gordon’s words, “Driven people produce shallow followers,” and he explains how to move from a place of drivenness to a much healthier called-ness.
Welcome to Episode 422 of the podcast. Listen and access the show notes below or search for the Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and listen for free.
Plus, in this episode’s What I’m Thinking About segment, Carey talks about seven phrases that driven leaders use (that drive your team crazy).
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CNLP 297: Gordon MacDonald Shares 8 Decades of Wisdom and Life Lessons, Father Wounds, the Dangers of Driveness, Counselling a US President, and What Leaders Struggle with Between Ages 32-42 and at Age 48 and Age 62
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Insights From Gordon
1. If you ignore your private life, you’ll eventually “hit the wall”
When Gordon was a young leader leading a thriving, growing church, he went through a very stressful season, and it ended with him “hitting a wall.” That wall left him weeping in his living room. Throughout that day, he sat down and actually listened for God’s voice (something he hadn’t been doing enough of).
He heard God say, “Now you know what it’s like to live out of an empty soul.” For those first years of ministry, Gordon ran on his own natural gifting, but natural gifting only gets you so far, and his soul had run empty. As a leader, if you neglect your internal life, you’ll eventually fall. Invest in your internal life and soul.
2. Driven people are often addicted to what success brings
After observing countless leaders (including himself) spend decades of their lives being what he calls “driven” leaders, Gordon realized that many “driven” leaders are addicted to what success gives them. Whether it’s a platform, financial success or authority, they get hooked on it, and it drives them.
Gordon encourages you to shift from being a “driven” leader to becoming a “called” leader. Called leaders aren’t addicted to their work but truly realize that their work is a stewardship, and it’s temporary.
3. The way we reach people is going to look different tomorrow
Gordon predicts that the largest shift to hit the church in 300 years is going to happen in the next 15-20 years. The way we share the gospel is going to have to change dramatically from how we’ve been sharing it, and when the church makes this shift, he thinks we’re going to see massive growth and renewal.
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Next Episode: Greg McKeown
Greg McKeown returns to the podcast to talk about his latest New York Times bestselling book, Effortless…sort of.
Greg and Carey also talk about podcasting, Greg’s next book idea on why listening can 10x your influence, what he learned from Stephen Covey and, yes, also Essentialism and Effortless.
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