CNLP 557: David Kroll on Moving Beyond the Megachurch Model, What Churchome is Learning About Reaching Gen Z and Millennials, and Why Ministry is the Most Challenging Learning Environment

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David Kroll, CEO of Churchome, talks about moving beyond the megachurch model, the problems with church transfer growth, what Churchome is learning about reaching Gen Z and Millennials, and why ministry is the most challenging learning environment.

Welcome to Episode 557 of the podcast. Listen and access the show notes below or search for the Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and listen for free.



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As leaders, we tend to see the challenges and roadblocks before other people do.

We've all been there before...

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  • You're overstaffed (or missing a key role) and can't find the right person to fill the role.
  • You aren't reaching enough new people even though you've tried everything that's working for other churches.
  • You can see the issue but aren't confident in what to do about it.

And with another Sunday morning coming up, it'll just have to wait until next week when you have a few minutes to figure it out.

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Carey Nieuwhof is a best-selling leadership author, speaker, podcaster, former attorney, and church planter. He hosts one of today’s most influential leadership podcasts, and his online content is accessed by leaders over 1.5 million times a month. He speaks to leaders around the world about leadership, change, and personal growth.