CNLP 515: Jim Burgen and Jesse DeYoung on the Anatomy of Toxic Church Leadership, Church Growth and Identity, and How Leadership Crushes You

Flatirons Church Lead Pastor, Jim Burgen, and Executive Pastor, Jesse DeYoung, talk candidly and openly about how a toxic leadership culture developed at Flatirons, how Jim ended up fusing church size and growth with his personal identity, how the weight of leading a large church became crushing, the impact of a forced sabbatical, and how Jim came back to a different, healthier and more humble kind of leadership.

Welcome to Episode 515 of the podcast. Listen and access the show notes below or search for the Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and listen for free.

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Quotes from Episode 515

If health and growth don't coexist, toxicity is inevitable. @JimBurgen Click To Tweet One of the significant issues we have in leadership is our self-perception is often at odds with how others experience us or see us. @CareyNieuwhof Click To Tweet If you can't participate in a redemptive story for your leader, don't give the culture what culture wants. Instead, step aside and go somewhere where you can serve faithfully and serve and be excited about it. @TheDeYoungster Click To Tweet Be a learner. There's a lot you don't know because you're isolated at the top. @JimBurgen Click To Tweet

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