Erwin McManus returns to the podcast to talk about the future of the church, how to have more effective evangelism with people who don’t believe in Jesus and why it’s so hard for Christians to be authentic. Erwin also reflects on a lifetime of being labeled a heretic and outsider in the church he so deeply believes in.
Welcome to Episode 452 of the podcast. Listen and access the show notes below or search for the Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and listen for free.
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Insights From Erwin
1. Influence is here to stay, sometimes
Ten or 20 years ago, influence was gained through achieving something significant and was based on word of mouth. Now with social media, we have a new type of celebrity influence that is short-term and usually a “firework,” where people are drawn in but are quickly pulled away to the next idea or celebrity. Lasting, sustainable influence does still stand the test of time and is built on commitment, ideas that impact, culture and carving a path for the future. Erwin calls this “multilayered influence.”
2. We need a community of people not perfection
Some people are of the opinion that the time of large gatherings (whether in or outside the Church) is a thing of the past. Erwin disagrees saying, “Humans don’t need perfect experiences. They need authentic transparent human experiences.”
We long for that communal dynamic where we chant and cheer together for the home team, worship with hundreds of others who are singing the same words, or experience live music with thousands of other people who feel the same emotions we do in that moment. The desire to celebrate and bond over shared experiences is knit into us by God.
3. Evangelism isn’t an IQ tug-of-war, it’s loving and listening
When it comes to talking about Jesus, you shouldn’t be trying to outsmart the other person with your wits (if you are, you’re going about evangelism the wrong way). Erwin clarifies, “I really believe that all the material to come to believe already exists inside of that person that you don’t need to bring something to that person as much as you need to pull something out of that person.”
People open up when we are real and authentic with them, when we don’t have an agenda and don’t try to convert everyone as soon as we walk into a room. “Walk into a room trying to understand someone, to truly care about that person, to know their life and their story, and then to pay attention to where you can see the fingerprint of God all over their life,” Erwin encourages.
Do you want to show people God’s love for them? Then listen, learn and care.
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