Chris Hodges had a battle with depression back in 1999, but the last thing he expected was to face it again in the summer of 2020.
In a very transparent interview, Chris explains his battle with anxiety, depression and panic attacks, what felt like a season of ministry suicide, and how he came back and grew his resilience.
Welcome to Episode 431 of the podcast. Listen and access the show notes below or search for the Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and listen for free.
Plus, in this episode’s What I’m Thinking About segment, Carey talks about some deeper insights on burnout and mental health.
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Insights From Chris
1. When you’re in the cave of depression, don’t go through it alone
Burnout and depression are disorienting and dark. So much so, that Chris describes them as, “Being in a cave.” So the question is how do you get out of that cave?
It’s almost impossible to get out of a season of burnout alone. You need someone who is able to walk out of the cave alongside you. Chris’ best friend,, Rick was critical in him finding his way out of burnout, and if/when you go through your own season of depression or burnout, you’ll want to have a friend walking with you, too.
2. Burnout doesn’t care what size organization you lead
You might think that burnout is way more likely to happen to megachurch pastors or hotshot business leaders, but Chris disagrees.
He points out that burnout has a lot more to do with the decisions you make than the size of the organization you lead. Someone who’s leading something very small who makes poor choices can still find themselves in a state of burnout.
3. Work 6 days, but completely stop on the 7th
One of the key rhythms that has kept Chris healthy while leading one of the fastest-growing churches is the weekly habit of the sabbath.
Once a week, Chris disconnects from technology for 24 hours, completely stops working, and spends intentional time with those that he loves, doing what he loves. This rhythm has allowed him to stay personally healthy while the world around him has been overwhelming.
Quotes from Episode 431
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