CNLP 376: Jon Gordon on How to Overcome the 5 D’s of Leadership and Life: Doubt, Distortion, Discouragement, Distraction and Division, and How to Improve Your Public Speaking When Speaking to a Camera

Jon Gordon helps leaders stay positive, and realized most people spend their entire lives dealing with what he calls the “5 D’s”—Doubt, Distortion, Discouragement, Distraction and Division.

Jon explains how each works, how to combat them, and how business and faith leaders need a message of hope that began in the Garden of Eden.

Welcome to Episode 376 of the podcastListen and access the show notes below or search for the Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and listen for free.

Plus, in this episode’s What I’m Thinking About segment, Carey talks about the game we all play in our heads about who our competition is.

Guest Links

Instagram | Facebook | Twitter | LinkedIn | YouTube | Website

Episode Links

Pro Media Fire

The biggest digital Christmas in history is coming next month.

Here are 4 easy steps to make it a huge success online:

  1. Prepare your marketing message through creative storytelling
  2. Create digital pathways from social media to your website
  3. Use a touch-point system to drive engagement for the services
  4. Deploy a strategic engagement follow-up campaign for lasting growth

It’s a simple plan to have the best digital Christmas for your church, but you may need help the with the creative design, storytelling and digital strategy.

The plan is simple, but the fulfillment is the challenge. That’s where Pro Media Fire can help with a team of creative and digital professionals to help you make an impact this Christmas.

Book your free strategy session today at

Remodel Health

The season to reevaluate your health benefits is right around the corner. Are you ready for it?

These times are challenging enough for leaders within churches and faith-based organizations, let alone trying to navigate health insurance questions and rate increases! What if you could have an industry expert come alongside you to not only help you understand your options, but find a solution that could save you and your employees hundreds of thousands of dollars? I know this sounds too good to be true, but I promise you it isn’t.

Remodel Health is the health benefits software and consulting service that helps employers save money and care better for their teams. By switching organizations from traditional group insurance to individual plans for each employee, Remodel Health helps you and your team tap into significant savings on health insurance.

To date, Remodel Health has helped Carey Nieuwhof listeners save $2.1 million in the last year and a half! Imagine what your ministry could do with that extra money. We know right now is a very challenging time for churches, so why not take healthcare off your list of financial stressors.

If you’re interested in learning more, Remodel Health’s benefits consultants can run a free analysis for your unique team to help you evaluate all of your options.

Visit today to learn more and get access to their free Savings Calculator, Church Buyer’s Guide and brand new e-book.


The Garden by Jon Gordon

The Energy Bus by Jon Gordon

The Carpenter by Jon Gordon

You Win in the Locker Room First by Jon Gordon

Relationship Grit by Jon Gordon and Kathryn Gordon

The Power of Positive Leadership by Jon Gordon

The Power of a Positive Team by Jon Gordon

The Infinite Game by Simon Sinek

CNLP 239: Jon Gordon on Dealing with the Negative Voices in Your Head, Negativity in Your Organization and How to Stay Positive

Positive University Podcast: Doc Rivers | Conflict and Communication

The Growing Church or Megachurch in Your City Isn’t Your Enemy. This Is. by Carey Nieuwhof

Text CAREY to 33777 to join more than 76,000 subscribers to our leadership content

*As an Amazon Associate, I earn from qualifying purchases.


1. If your people are Zoomed out, you might need to be more interactive

Both Carey and Jon are hearing from a lot of leaders that their people are getting “Zoomed out.” Jon has found a way to make his Zoom coaching calls with hundreds of people engaging and interactive. So, how does he do it?

Rather than giving an hour-long monologue, Jon finds a way to involve his audience throughout the session. Through Zoom, his team deploys polls, pushes the audience into smaller groups and even does a live Q&A where the audience asks their questions on video.

When Jon sets his training up in this way, his people are much less “Zoomed out” afterwards.

2. Many people don’t realize they are in a battle right now, and that’s why they’re losing

Most people don’t even realize they are fighting a battle every day in life. In his new book, The Garden, Jon helps people see that the negativity, stress and anxiety we all are feeling is the result of a battle raging for our souls. And, if we want to win the battle against stress and anxiety, we need to see the 5 D’s:

  • Doubt
  • Distortion
  • Discouragement
  • Distraction
  • Division

When you are able to identify these 5 tactics, you can start to win the war against stress and anxiety.

3. If you struggle to stay motivated, change your thinking

A lot of leadership is the battle won inside your mind. During the interview, Jon talked about how optimists are statistically more successful than pessimists, and that encouragement and positivity always go further than discouragement and negativity. If you want to succeed, you have to be able to tell yourself that brighter days are ahead.

The same thing happens with motivation. Zig Ziglar made a great point when he was told, “Zig, motivation doesn’t last.” He responded, “Neither does bathing. That’s why you have to do it every day.” Jon agrees and points out that before you can feed the people you lead, you have to feed your own motivation first.

Quotes from Episode 376

Read or Download the Transcript for Episode 376

Looking for a key quote? More of a reader?

Read or download a free PDF transcript of this episode here.

Watch Back Episodes of The Podcast on YouTube

Select episodes of this podcast are now on YouTube. Our YouTube Channel gives you a chance to watch some episodes, not just listen.


the high impact leader

Do you want to unlock more of your potential in life and leadership without sacrificing time with your family and your health?

Sounds crazy, but it’s not. I know because I’ve lived it. A few years back, I seriously crashed and burned because the demands on my time and life were bigger than the time I had to accomplish them. I promised myself that wouldn’t happen again.

Today, I still have bigger goals than ever before, but I’ve made fundamental changes that have led to a healthier, happier lifestyle without sacrificing my family and vastly increasing my productivity at work. I’ve taken what I’ve learned during this journey and put it into The High Impact Leader course.

You can complete the three-hour course at your own pace. It’s the most comprehensive content I’ve ever created for leaders to help you reclaim HOURS every day so you can become more effective at work and more present at home. When your time, energy, and priorities are all working together for you, it’ll impact everything you do.

  • You become a better leader, because you’re doing what you do best when you’re at your best
  • You become a better spouse, because you’re focused at home
  • You become a better parent, neighbor, and friend, because you actually have time off to relax and engage

These principles will free you to thrive in every area of your life.

You can learn more and gain instant access today.


Subscribe for free and never miss out on wisdom from world-class leaders like Brian Houston, Andy Stanley, Craig Groeschel, Nancy Duarte, Henry Cloud, Patrick Lencioni, Francis Chan, Ann Voskamp, Erwin McManus and many others.

Subscribe using your favorite podcast app via

Apple Podcasts


Google Play



Spread the Word. Leave a Rating and Review

Hopefully, this episode has helped you lead like never before. That’s my goal. If you appreciated it, could you share the love?

The best way to do that is to rate the podcast on Apple Podcasts and leave us a brief review! You can do the same on Stitcher and on TuneIn as well.

Your ratings and reviews help us place the podcast in front of new leaders and listeners. Your feedback also lets me know how I can better serve you.

Thank you for being so awesome.

Next Episode: Todd Wilson

Todd Wilson, President of Exponential, talks about the future of church growth, why trying to get people back into buildings might be an old church planting strategy and the future of innovative church planting. Plus, Todd talks in-depth about how church funding models can adversely impact real innovation in church planting.

Subscribe for free now so you won’t miss Episode 377.

CNLP 376: Jon Gordon on How to Overcome the 5 D’s of Leadership and Life: Doubt, Distortion, Discouragement, Distraction and Division, and How to Improve Your Public Speaking When Speaking to a Camera

Leave a Comment

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.