CNLP 348: Patrick Lencioni on How Virtual Teams and Events are Often Better, His Best Advice for Church Leaders and Preachers, and Why So Many Leaders Abdicate Their Responsibilities

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Patrick Lencioni returns to the podcast to talk about how he changed his mind about leading virtual teams and hosting virtual events as a result of the crisis, how virtual can be more personal and why so many leaders abdicated their responsibilities.

Plus, he offers his view on how preachers and church leaders can do a better job at communicating in a rapidly changing world.

Welcome to Episode 348 of the podcastListen and access the show notes below or search for the Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and listen for free.

Plus, in this episode’s What I’m Thinking About segment, Carey talks about the three different levels of fatigue.

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1. Pre-pandemic, your need for near-perfection was slowing you down

As with nearly every organization, Pat’s company had to make some major pivots when the Coronavirus pandemic hit. They completed projects that normally would have taken 6 months in just 10 days, and they saw great results. What does this mean for Pat and his team moving forward? And what does it mean for you?

If you’re a focused and driven leader, you probably spend a lot of time making sure your products are as good as they can be before you put them on the market. If you’re a preacher, you want every sermon to be excellent. If you’re posting on social media, every caption needs to be perfect. This pandemic has shown that the things we produce don’t need to be perfect, they just need to be helpful and timely.

2. Your team is actually MORE focused on Zoom calls than in-person meetings

Before COVID, the argument against remote meetings was that people are not as focused at home as they are in the office. Since the pandemic hit, and Pat’s whole team began working remotely, he’s noticed the exact opposite effect. His team is more focused now than ever before.

Carey’s and Pat’s theory is that when you’re forced to look at yourself and everyone else in the meeting straight in the eye, you need to be more focused than if you were just sitting in a room having a meeting. It’s more appropriate to stare out the window in a regular meeting rather than on a Zoom call.

3. If you have the wrong motive, you’ll never be a good leader

Pat sees two motives that cause people to get into leadership. One is healthy, and one is not. The first (and most common) reason that people get put into leadership is that they think it will get them something. Whether its status, influence, money, or prestige, many leaders get into leadership because it will help them—selfishly, visually or physically. If you have this first motive, you will almost never become a great leader.

The second motive is that they see leadership as a responsibility and a sacrifice. Leaders with the right motive see their call of leadership as a call to sacrifice for and serve their people. Only when leaders are driven by this motive can they become great leaders. So, why are you in leadership?

Quotes from Episode 348

There's two reasons why somebody should want to be a leader. One is because it's a reward. The second is because it is a daunting responsibility. @patricklencioni Click To Tweet Unless you want to suffer for others, don't be a leader. @patricklencioni Click To Tweet Reward-centered leaders are looking for activities that enhance their own enjoyment and status. @patricklencioni Click To Tweet So many leaders shy away from the heart and unpleasant things, because their motive for becoming a leader was wrong in the first place. @patricklencioni Click To Tweet The world would be better off if fewer people aspire to be leaders, but they all did it for the right reason. @patricklencioni Click To Tweet Sometimes we think we need to be perfect, and we don't. @patricklencioni Click To Tweet People want authenticity. @patricklencioni Click To Tweet I don't care if you're the senior vice president of marketing at a multibillion-dollar corporation. You need to be managed by your manager. @patricklencioni Click To Tweet You should perform with the same sense of unity and clarity as though it were a crisis. @patricklencioni Click To Tweet I think that the new world of work is going to have higher standards for personal interest in one another's lives, because it's really hard for human beings to go backward in intimacy. @patricklencioni Click To Tweet The more tired you are, the more intentional your plan for recovery will be. @cnieuwhof Click To Tweet

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Carey Nieuwhof is a best-selling leadership author, speaker, podcaster, former attorney, and church planter. He hosts one of today’s most influential leadership podcasts, and his online content is accessed by leaders over 1.5 million times a month. He speaks to leaders around the world about leadership, change, and personal growth.