CNLP 160: Dr. Henry Cloud on What All High Performing Leaders Have In Common, Investing in Yourself and Overcoming Dysfunction in Your Church

Dr. Henry Cloud coaches Fortune 100 company CEOs and top church leaders, and shares what they all have in common. 

He also offers strategies on how to overcome common dysfunctional behaviours churches struggle with like broke thinking, dealing with problem people and more.

Welcome to Episode 160 of the podcast.

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3 Insights from This Episode

1. You must balance results and relationships in order to reach your vision

This isn’t a business, it’s a ministry… Ever heard that phrase when structuring your church? 

The New Testament is a performance standard manual like no other where Jesus was always pushing others to be better.

Scripture repeatedly offers two necessities – Results and RelationshipsIf you have strong results, but weak relationships your people will leave and your results will go away. Strong relationships in an environment going nowhere grows a weak culture and the relationships will eventually fail. You can’t have one without the other if you want to reach your vision. 

2. The best leaders invest in themselves and their people

Leadership and staff development doesn’t require a big budget, but often organizations will use this as an excuse not to invest in their staff. Many churches assume it’s a waste of money and takes time away from a ministry’s main purpose. That mindset can stunt the way a church leads its people. One of the most important things a leader can do is tend to the vine by developing the army. When done right, it becomes a great investment, rather than an expense.

Dr. Cloud firmly believes that the highest performers are the ones who have the biggest investment in the development of themselves and their staff. But that doesn’t require a big budget at all. Just create a plan and put in the time. Here are 4 Necessary Things to implement with your team that can bring big changes. And guess what, you can do these FOR FREE – check out the super affordable application below.

  1. Information – Learn Principles
  2. Relationships – We only get better with coaching and support
  3. New Experiences – Step out of your comfort zone, learn from others, try something new
  4. Structure the Path of Growth
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3. Change your approach when dealing with difficult people

Dealing with difficult people is exhausting. They always seem to have an excuse or someone else to blame in their defense. The Bible refers to these people as fools.

You can offer feedback again and again, but a fool requires a different approach in order to make a change in behavior. Change the conversation and help the fool adapt to the truth by asking: How can I make you aware of something where it will make a difference? Then clearly state: If I don’t see a difference by a specified time – there will be a consequence.

Fools must have consequences in order to change. They don’t intend to cause drama. They’re just trying to avoid responsibility and change.

Quotes from This Episode

Break the Barrier 85% of Church Leaders Never Break

So you would love to reach more people, but how? Your church just can’t seem to sustainably grow past the 200 barrier. And you’re really not sure why.

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So many leaders who try to break it either get stuck at 150-250 in attendance or burned out in the process of trying.

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Believe it or not, the reasons most churches never break 200 aren’t spiritual reasons, they’re practical reasons. Strategic reasons.

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Next Episode: Carlos Whittaker

Carlos Whittaker battled porn for much of his ministry life until it manifested itself in a relationship that almost cost him his family. In an honest conversation, he talks about clearing the cobwebs of sin out of his life by finally killing the spider that was spinning them all. He talks to leaders about what to do when sin messes with your life and ministry.

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CNLP 160: Dr. Henry Cloud on What All High Performing Leaders Have In Common, Investing in Yourself and Overcoming Dysfunction in Your Church


  1. John Vonhof on November 16, 2017 at 8:05 pm

    Loved the episode. Lot’s of excellent advice. My question however is when talking about leaders, and specifically training for leaders, does this include church board members? In my experience, churches usually send their staff leaders to training and conferences, but forget about their board members.

  2. Matt Edmundson on October 4, 2017 at 9:31 am

    Brilliant episode! Love your podcast – it’s really helping and inspiring me! I’m an entrepreneur that’s looking to start a church and I love the crossover of business and ministry without apology in this podcast. Talking my language! Awesome stuff.

  3. Joshua Breland on October 3, 2017 at 2:07 pm

    This was such a great episode, Carey. I took lots of notes.

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