CNLP 137: Justin Dean on the Future Church in the Online World

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So what are you not doing online that you should be doing? What are you doing that you may want to stop? And where is online church heading in the future?

Justin Dean joins Carey for a far-reaching conversation about the future church in the online world.

Welcome to Episode 137 of the podcast.

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3 Insights from This Episode

 1. Consider the online experience you want to deliver. 

Justin told us that at one point in time for Mars Hill Church, for every 1 person who attended church in person, there were 20 people watching online.

On last week’s episode, Steve Fogg told us to never be surprised at who and how you reach people online. For Mars Hill Church, they were getting tons of people tuning in each week… but they didn’t want their online church to just be a replacement for attending a local church. Instead of delivering a straight-forward online church experience, they customized it to fit with their church’s mission and passion.

The experience they delivered still connected with people, but it encouraged them to get involved with their local church. There’s no telling how many people are doing some incredible things in the local church thanks to Mars Hill Church online.

2. Context is never an excuse. 

Mars Hill Church was a megachurch both in person and online. And they were based out of the Pacific Northwest—one of the most unchurched regions in the US. And still, God showed up in a big way.

When God calls you, you have to put your excuses away as to why something won’t work. And when we mess things up…we have to put our excuses away then, too. Because God is bigger than context.

3. Always know your why. And communicate it to others.

As the Communications Director of Mars Hill Church, Justin learned that you always need to know your why. If you don’t know that then you need to stop everything and go back to the beginning of asking ‘why?’

And when you and your staff all know your why, it’s still only step 1. Step 2 is openly and transparently communicating it to others. And if you’re unable to communicate certain things to them, meet them halfway with empathy and remind them of the bigger vision.

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Next Episode: Bob and Maria Goff

Few people you’ll ever meet are quite as vibrant or have had such a varied life as Bob and Maria Goff. In this personal interview, Carey talks to Bob and Maria about making their marriage work when they are pretty much opposite personalities, how they overcame set backs, and how to truly thrive in life and ministry.

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Carey Nieuwhof is a best-selling leadership author, speaker, podcaster, former attorney, and church planter. He hosts one of today’s most influential leadership podcasts, and his online content is accessed by leaders over 1.5 million times a month. He speaks to leaders around the world about leadership, change, and personal growth.