CNLP 118: A Roman Catholic Every Evangelical Leader Needs to Get To Know – A Conversation with Father James Mallon

Often there’s a great divide between Protestants and Roman Catholics.

But what if there’s more that unites us than we think?

Father James Mallon leads a global movement that is revitalizing local parishes using many of the same methods that revitalize Protestant and evangelical churches.

His findings have attracted the attention of Rick Warren, Nicky Gumbel and many others. Today, he shares his learnings.

Welcome to Episode 118 of the podcast.

Father James Mallon


Guest Links: Father James Mallon

Father James Mallon’s website

Divine Renovation: From a Maintenance to a Missional Parish

Divine Renovation Guidebook

Follow Father James Mallon on Twitter

Saint Benedict Parish

Links Mentioned

The High Impact Leader Course

The Canadian Church Leaders Podcast

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3 Insights from This Episode

1. Church leaders are tasked with more than preaching the Gospel…they’re tasked with changing culture.  Culture can be defined as what people consider ‘the norm.’  This means that if you’re too afraid to rock the boat with a sermon, too exhausted to roll out a church-wide initiative, or even just too busy to pray for guidance through the process: You’re not living out the full potential of your gift and your calling.

2. We’ve built models of pastoral care to feed people who aren’t hungry. Father Mallon sees in the Roman Catholic church—that certainly applies to every other denomination as well—that there’s a mindset of maintenance instead of mission. Retention of current members is important, but our mission is to share God with the world. We can’t lose sight of our mission by allowing ourselves to burnout on the maintenance.

3. We are stronger together. Every denomination does things a bit different, but what unites us is far more important than what divides us: That we are saved by faith through Jesus Christ. As church leaders, we’ve been entrusted by God to carry out the most important mission on earth. The more we talk and learn from each other, the stronger we’ll become at doing just that.

Quotes from James


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  1. RWilliams on December 13, 2016 at 2:10 pm

    Heads up, the audio at the beginning of the link is actually a “join us next time…” rather than the usual “welcome.”

    Does it really matter? probably not lol… just wanted to let you know

    • Carey Nieuwhof on December 13, 2016 at 2:40 pm

      Appreciate it. We caught it too. It’s an automation problem in Adobe that we’ve hopefully fixed. Strangest thing!

      • RWilliams on December 13, 2016 at 4:16 pm

        On a much more important note, the content was gold as usual!

  2. Karen Murano on December 7, 2016 at 11:43 pm

    Incredible timing and word for me today. She is tremendous. Vulnerable, dynamic, grounded, thank you for bringing this together. Thank you for your hard work behind the scenes so that people all over can tune in an find healing and inspiration. Your show makes me realize I am addicted to personal growth. Chomping at the bit for the next episode… May the Lord bless your efforts!

  3. Jon Perrin on December 7, 2016 at 9:58 pm

    This was an outstanding podcast! I’m going to listen to it again.

    Often pastors are so focused on growing their churches that they totally forget to focus on their own personal growth. And part of this process is developing a greater degree of self-awareness.

    Thanks for all you do to invest in leaders. Keep ’em coming, Carey!

  4. Travis Stephens on December 6, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    I once heard Greg Surratt say, “If you’re not reaching your expectations, lower them.”

    Some of they best advice I’ve ever heard.

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