5 Stupid Things The Church Needs to Stop Doing to Make Progress

The church has more than its share of critics these days.

Sometimes the criticism is unwarranted. People project their issues onto a congregation or onto the church, which is never healthy.

And, of course, the church will inevitably run into criticism.

What we’re doing is counter-cultural and will never be met with universal applause. The Gospel, even when powerfully shared, got John the Baptist, the Apostle Paul, Jesus and the prophets killed, just to name a few. While it seems strange to say it, even love, when seen fully and magnificently, gets rejected.

But other times we absolutely deserve the criticism that comes our way.

Often these days, it seems, we’re not ridiculed or persecuted because we’re fighting nobly. Nope, sometimes we just shoot ourselves in the foot.

Here are 5 things that, in my view, would help the mission of the church become more authentic and more effective if we could just stop doing them.

1. Being So Weird Online

Too many Christians come across online as either

Toxic (Hello angry ranters, trolls and haters);

Cynical (Yes, we know you’re disappointed with everyone all the time and no one gets it as right as you); or

Syrupy (So sweet we can’t stand the taste and are not really sure you live in the real world)

Why do so many Christians think their social media feed is a place to show the world their weirdness?

It gives the impression that if you’re going to follow Jesus you also need to become socially awkward.

I know people might say “no, I’m just being authentic”. But being authentic does not mean being weird. (I shared my personal criteria for what I share online in the name of authenticity in this post).

I think a general rule is if you can’t imagine saying it in real life to a person, you shouldn’t say it online.

If you go to post something and you think, well, that would be braggy if I said that to someone, that’s a healthy check. It means you’d be bragging. So don’t post it.

Similarly, if you think “Well, people would just walk out of the room if I said that in real life,” then maybe don’t say it.

If you’re always angry or cynical or all you do is complain online and you think “well, I wouldn’t want to be friends with someone like that in real life,” then that’s a clue that maybe you shouldn’t say it, or be like that.

And if you think “well, then I’ll have nothing to post,” then you’ve likely put your finger on a deeper issue.

Christians, let’s just stop being so weird online, okay?

2. Commenting on Politics

Part of the weirdness is political.

God is not a Republican or a Democrat, or in my country, a Conservative, Liberal or New Democrat. Nor is God an independent.

God is God.

When your church becomes a mouthpiece for a political party, you cease to be the church.

Your job is to share the Gospel, not to change the government.

As I shared in more detail here, Jesus and Paul spend surprisingly little time trying to influence the government. Jesus completely rejected the idea of becoming the government when people asked him to become their political leader.

I know some will say “well, God has opinions about things happening today”.

I’m sure he does.

But when authentic Christians sincerely share different views on subjects, we should be very careful about speaking for God.

And, after all, when God happens to have all the same opinions you do, you’re probably not even worshipping God anymore.

You might be worshipping yourself.

3. Handling Conflict So Poorly

The church should be the best in the world at handling conflict. We were taught by Jesus exactly how to do it.

Yet we often side step. We gossip. We talk about other people rather than to people.

We avoid conflict. Or we run into it like a bulldozer claiming we’re all about truth.

If we just handled conflict humbly, gently, introspectively and bravely, we would be so much better.

If you really want to see how to restore someone in love, listen to this message by Andy Stanley on judgment and helping others who are sinning. It’s brilliant.

If we handled conflict more healthily, our churches would be so much healthier.

And a healthy church is a church that can help other people get healthier.

4. Ranking Sin Selectively

Christians have become fairly good at focusing on the moral failings of others while ignoring their own.

We pretend that the worst sin you can commit is sexual. And—don’t get me wrong—sexual sin has serious implications.

But so does gossip. And divisiveness. And quarrelling—sins Christians routinely ignore. Mostly because we commit them.

I would suggest that just as many congregations have been ruined by gossip, divisiveness and quarrelling as have been stained by sexual sin. But you’d never know it given the way we talk about sin.

I’m all for surrendering our sexuality to Christ. But I’m also all for submitting our propensity to gossip, our divisiveness and our quarrelling to Jesus and dealing with that seriously.

Imagine what the church might look like if that happened.

And we haven’t even touched gossip, gluttony or envy yet, all things with which Christians routinely self-medicate their pain.

Maybe if Christians humbly confessed their sins first, the world would be more likely to come to terms with their sins.

So here’s an idea. Instead of pretending someone else’s sin is worse than your sin, confess your sin.

You’ll be in such a better place if you do that. And so will they.

You might actually be able to help them.

5. Judging Outsiders

This is a pet peeve of mine.

As I outlined here, we in the modern church have largely ignored Paul’s injunction to stop judging non-Christians.  Even Jesus said he didn’t come into the world to judge it, but to save it.

I completely get the urge to judge our neighbours and even the world. Things bother me too.

But I have to refrain. Our faith in Christ demands it.

Before ministry, I was a lawyer. In first year law, I remember having a crisis because I couldn’t imagine representing a client I believed might be guilty.

I stayed after class one day to talk to my criminal law professor about it. He assured me of a few things. First, if your client tells you he’s guilty, you can’t ethically enter a non-guilty plea.

That made me feel better.

But then he told me that almost every client says they’re not guilty.

I got nervous again.

“Well what if you think he’s guilty but he says he’s not…doesn’t that put you in a horrible bind?”

I’ll never forget his answer.

“You’re confusing you’re role, Carey. You’re not the judge. You’re his lawyer. Your job is —ethically, morally and legally—to give him the best day he can possibly have in court. The judge will decide whether he’s guilty or not.”

I felt like the weight of the world was lifted off my shoulders.

So…Christians, the world has a judge. And it’s not you.

He’s fairer than you. More just than you. More perfect than you. And far more accurate.

In the meantime, do your best to help reconcile your brothers and sister in the world to their heavenly father through Christ. That’s your job.

Take some comfort in that. And for all these reasons and more, stop judging.

What Else?

Any other self-defeating, stupid things you wish we’d stop doing in the church?

I’d love to hear from you. Scroll down and leave a comment.

5 Stupid Things The Church Needs to Stop Doing to Make Progress

461 Comments

  1. Den on November 22, 2021 at 10:42 am

    DDDDAAAAADDDD!!! THE CHRISTIANS ARE ACTING WIERD IN THE COMMENTS AGAIN!

    • Jody L. Both on November 24, 2021 at 8:36 am

      I just wanted to comment on the Judgement part of the 5 things listed. When I first got on this site, this was the area I was directed to and I was reading some of the comments made, one person stated that judging others by reporting and embarrassing them in church through the entire congregation was not the way to handle a person who has sinned in the eyes of the accuser. It’s really not anyone’s job to use the church as a stoning area for sinners, rallying the masses to listen to the sin of the person who has done wrong, judge them, lay their sin out in the public for all to listen, learn and become witnesses to. Which in turn tends to lead to gossip, and back stabbing, as well as the grapevine that all know changes with each new receiver of information, then opinions as to what should be done to the person who has become a So Called, “Typhoid Mary’ which must be avoided at all costs, least the sin is caught by others who used to enjoy the company of this sinner. All of this is not right by any means, religious, social, human, or just a human being trying to rise above their own sins, to see the other persons sin, as worse than their own. We all have done things that were wrong, if not, then your dead, because being alive means making and learning from mistakes, we learn to get better when we do something wrong. If we think pointing out someone for having an affair, then the people who have cheated on their taxes, uses their computer, cellphone, wifi, to be a peeping Tom in someone else’s life. lost all their bill and food money down at the casinos, or just gambled it away, or bought and continues to buy 100’s of dollars worth of lottery tickets, but can’t afford to take care of their family, or bills or whatever. The person who ignores their parents who are either home without any family to visit, or in a nursing home and no one has visited them for months, is not a good person. The person who is constantly finding fault with those in and around them because they have low self-esteem, and don’t like themselves so they hate everyone, and feel if they put them down it makes them feel like they feel all the time. The person who abandoned their children, because they didn’t want to be tied down, responsible for anyone they have to take care of. The person who uses others as a way to get higher up on the ladder of importance, or in a job, or just uses others to get what and where they want to go, or what they want to have, and thinks they are better then everyone, constantly competing to keep themselves one step ahead. Anyone who thinks they are better than anyone else, no matter if the person is rich, poor, what nationality, what religion, whatever, no one who believes they are better than another person is without sin. Think of the seven deadly sins, Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Envy, and Pride. We are all susceptible to any one of these sins in the course of our lifetime, probably all a one time or another. As for the accusers, calling out a sinner, doesn’t that mean that while the person who sinned may have be guilty of Lust, isn’t the accuser then guilty of Wrath, and Pride, and hopefully the accuser isn’t calling out the sinner because they envied the affair and secretly wanted the same for themselves and is now jealous and getting even? If we are concerned and want to confront the sinner of what we heard or found out, the way to do it, is to go right up to the person, in private, and tell them what we know, explain that it has to stop, and that we want them to know that it’s not a secret anymore. Let them see you and face them straight on, don’t use a crowd to abuse and punish, that’s how people got stoned in the olden days, face them and handle it, since you feel it’s your duty to call them out on their sin, do it yourself. You don’t get to punish, or take away their toys, life has a way of taking care of those who do wrong, it’s Gods job, As I say, “Mine is not to question why, mine is to just step aside, let Fate, Karma, and God decide.” Be true to you, and worry about yourself and your family, if you are good to yourself, you will find that others who have problems, or are doing wrong, don’t change who you are, or how your life works, the only way that happens is if you get yourself involved with others who are doing wrong, leave it alone. “Judge Not, Least Ye Be Judged.” I keep to the old Testament, I tend to believe that if the original saying was worded this way, the new way of saying it so that it doesn’t hurt anyone’s feelings, is not how it was meant, it’s just a kinder, more careful way of trying to get the point across. I like original, not politically correct re-written sayings, that offended Sally, and was voted against, upgraded to mean something different, and sounds stupid now. Anyway, that’s my book of opinion for today. Have a good day, if anyone read my comment.

  2. Artie whitefox on November 17, 2021 at 10:23 pm

    A blind man’s favorite weapon is denial. How is jamies 1:26 – 27, KJV your description of Religon? Don’t you think that you have been lied to by the church?

    • Jody L. Both on November 24, 2021 at 10:21 am

      Since I don’t cater to any one religion, I tend to go along with all types of religion, I just don’t believe all of any one religion, so I go in and out of any churches with whoever belongs to whatever church I attend at the time, I don’t have an opinion about truth or deceit in the beliefs of any one religion. It’s different in each church, I don’t like the idea of confession and some priest being able to forgive your sins, with a bushel of Hail Mary’s and whatever else they expect you to memorize and repeat 5 or 10 times. If a murderer confesses and a priest forgiving him, and then the person truly believes that his sin is behind him, clean slate going forward. Some churches are taken into separate groups for the kids till they are an adult, they are put into classes that teach religion for the age group. Young kids are given religious activities, and it’s called Sunday School, as they learn in fun ways about the stories in the Bible. Older kids are told they are already sinners when they are born, which causes arguments and creates subjects to talk about, with questions and answers, and lots of opinions thrown around. Older adults meet in the church and sit in pews, listen to the message or story that is given for the day, read parts of the bible, and sing hymns, until the time is up, the plate passed around, and the kids are waiting to go home. In predominately black churches, it’s loud, people are raising their voices to Jesus, or God, and shouting out the question they are asking to the ceiling of the church. The service is recorded, the singing very good, and I felt like I was in the middle of a Tyler Perry Movie, while the whole service went on, I went to a few and they are all very animated, loud, recorded, sometimes they ask for people who feel a certain way to come forward to the Priest, or Father ???, I did this once, he took each person by the hands, spoke of resolving the problem that was plaguing each person, then put his hands on their head and pushed away, people kept falling to the floor. When it was my turn, I thought it was nice, but when he put his hands to my forehead and pushed, I just leaned back and didn’t find myself falling out of weakness, so I stood where I was. I felt a woman behind me, trying to pull me backwards and put her knees behind my knees to try to get me to go down, instead I turned around to see who it was and why she was messing with me. She backed up, and the priest went onto the next person who fell to the floor as expected, they probably had to delete my footage on the tape, because I didn’t follow protocol. I can’t fake stuff, if I needed to fall, I would have fell, but I had no reason to fall on the floor, she didn’t get my knees to buckle, and I wasn’t at a loss for balance, so I didn’t fall. I heard what he said, I hoped the floor wasn’t part of how to make his work ridding me of the devil living in my family, and crowding my mind, work. I don’t remember the outcome. I was told to go back to my seat and stay out of the view of the camera on my way. Other churches are just kids and adults sitting in pews, kids kicking the backs of the pews in front of them, parents shushing them, boring mostly, if the priest has a good story it’s okay, but if it’s just reading out of the bible, verses listed on the little schedule of what to expect for that Sunday, singing, and saying Amens, time drags, and I can’t wait to get out of there. The services of the Baptist Church were more varied based on what kind of a Baptist you were, but they seem to always have activities and something busy and new going on, so either a weekend party, BBQ, swimming or whatever, there are activities outside of the church, but within the Baptist following, and they invite outsiders to join in the festivities, no collection plate included. LOL. So, I use religion as a guideline to life, I follow the 10 Commandments, I believe in God, Jesus, and the Devil, I have read the Bible, well the good parts, my grandmother, and all prior were very religious, but again, not tied to a factor, just the important things. “Do Unto Others, as You Would Have Others Do Unto You.” If everyone followed this one simple rule, it would allow for feeling how the other person will feel before deciding to wreck their day, and there would be far less people hurting in the world. Okay, that’s my answer, I don’t let churches lie to me, they have stories, they are trying to get a point across, and if they bend the truth to get the job done, if it’s not done in the name of absolute truth, it doesn’t matter. You can check facts within a church, so what’s the harm? Have a Great day.

      • ALASUN🌞 on November 26, 2021 at 3:42 pm

        I’m 40 years old with 2 grown sons, my name is ALASUN🌞, my dad Alan named me after the Sun. I don’t have a big ego, I just really like my cool name. Anyway, I’ve tried many churches and read ALL the Christian and Mormon scriptures ALL the way through more than once. I know ALL different versions of the Bible say the EXACT same thing just worded a little differently. I’ve come to the conclusion the Christian AND Mormon “God” is in fact Satan including Jesus Christ for those that see God and Jesus as separate. It’s not just the cruel judgemental people in the church either, it’s also about reading about ALL of God’s child abuse tests in ALL the scriptures. I believe what church goers read about their Creator teaches them to be cruel to outsiders and those that think for themselves instead of thinking like a religious robot. I actually got similar cruel treatment from Wiccans, Pagans, and Satanists. Yes I even tried the demon side and got the EXACT same results. I’m not with any religions or cults anymore, I’ve created my own path and find things turn out way better when I’m calling the shots on what I want to happen with my life. I don’t need the Christians and Mormons telling me how to dress either when I’m an adult with my own style. That’s another annoying thing about religions, they tell you how to dress. I like my black spaghetti straps tank tops and my black clothing. I’m not gothic, I just like black clothes. I don’t have any piercings or tattoos either, I also don’t drink or smoke. I’m also annoyed I always have to tell people you don’t need to go to any church to have common sense and live a healthy lifestyle. It also makes me mad they just assume you don’t know anything about their church just because you don’t go. There’s a good reason people stay away from churches is because of how they were treated. These religious people don’t ever think they do anything wrong and believe they’re annointed, more like annoying. I could make a very long list of the corruption of Christians and Mormons. My family is also broken, caused by Mormons and Christians just because I refuse to believe as they do. Every time I’ve prayed to the Christian/Mormon “God” it makes things much worse too. I recommend call your own shots without relying on a Satanic “God” and his robotic arrogant minions.

  3. Shayne Coventry on November 11, 2021 at 6:04 pm

    Since when does man ever have right to control God? Talk with God, yes. Apologize for mistakes, I am there everyday. People think that God is unattending, unattainable, so since this is the devil’s domain, and man’s the act in the theatre, it’s okay to enjoy it.
    I’ve heard people say: ” I’m going to hell anyway”. We all judge, we all, are biased. We all, lie. What if I say God sends people now to set the record straight? Will You judge Gods mouthpiece yet more? You ask God to speak through us in our fowl language? You wish God say unto to you devil’s tongue?
    God does not judge, placate, show bias, contempt.
    God stoop before no person. Man rewrites to the comforts of our fallin brother Lucifer hjji.
    God’s word is spoken, and demons sway, devil’s growl, Satan snears, and they run from the word of God

    • Artie whitefox on November 17, 2021 at 9:46 pm

      Hell is not a swear word. Swearing is saying an oath that God does not want us to say. Hell is under the earth. It is not a dwelling place for evil beings. Evil beings will not be alive in the earth made new. They will be ashes that will never see life ever again. Judge as to who loves whoever more than another, and why. Judge as to who has no guile, like Jesus did. Jesus judged rightly regarding people who wanted him to be dead. All of that judging did not condemn anyone.

      • Lillie D on November 23, 2021 at 12:16 am

        There is no Help. There is Shoel, basically a place of nothingness, of darkness. Why this is important is because to the Israelites, their relationship with their G-d is very close and upon death they are looking forward to being in the presence of the Holy One for eternity. For sinning against one’s G-d meant to lose this privilege and be sent instead to Shoel.
        In the 19th Century, a large portion (35 Chapters) of the Bible was removed and portions rewritten.
        The Pharisees were into the Supernatural – demons, angels, Hell but they were not supported in their beliefs by the other Priests of their time.
        By the late 1800’s parts of the Scrolls had been discovered and these writings dovetails right into the mindframe of the “Puritanical fire and brimstone” preaching that was becoming all too popular with Churches.

  4. Artie Whitefox on November 6, 2021 at 10:01 am

    Jamie’s 1:26- 27 verses are not describing religon as you see religon as being. Liars made people to use money.

    • Robert Mahn on November 15, 2021 at 4:39 am

      The reason churches aren’t growing it’s because people increasingly are into smoking weed drinking taking drugs partying having multiple sex partners and the like
      As for God is Not Republican Democrat or whatever have you no but God’s values tend to be conservative and how most Republicans are so I think you’re doing a little twisting there so if Christian people in the church want to rebuke things like abortion which is a big Democrat policy they should be able to do so it almost seems like you’re trying to silence them

  5. Esther on October 24, 2021 at 4:28 pm

    I really appreciate your blog, Carey! (Well, I’ve only read two posts… but still!) I found it through a Google search for a quote from an episode of Bob’s Burgers, which is kind of funny to me.
    I personally related to this post, but I don’t feel up to pontificating on every point (I used up my energy for this subject reading some of the comments—stressful!).
    Just wanted to let you know one more person has found good in your words, since the comments, which entertaining at times, are so… well… a lot (to the point of humor, but in a nervous, coping way😅).

    Thx again for the voice you lend!

  6. Guest on October 8, 2021 at 6:00 am

    And the church is a real waste of time to go too anyway since it will not solve our problems at all, and praying is a real waste of time as well. Just look what is happening to our America today, since these very pathetic Democrats want to change everything around by destroying us altogether. Trump where are you?

    • NC worshipper (TAD) for the Only Judge that counts. on October 12, 2021 at 4:40 pm

      The question is “Who is your God?”
      Are you praying for World Peace or are you sitting back judging?
      What are you doing to make a change in this world?

    • Alvin Bacon II on October 27, 2021 at 11:24 am

      Only Jesus can Save you, Not Donald Trump!

      • Guest on November 9, 2021 at 5:36 pm

        Jesus is no help at all, sorry to say.

      • Carl on November 10, 2021 at 7:56 am

        Carey,

        I find your article very disappointing to say the least. What you’re basically saying is that believers should shut up and allow the society to rot. You claim to be a pastor but you don’t seem to understand that the role of the Church is to call people to repentance rather than keeping sealed lips. You quote scriptures out of context. For example, you claim that Paul instructed believers not to judge unbelievers. I don’t think you understand the difference between judging someone, correctly someone and calling someone to repentance. You lump everything together as “judgment”. Since when did pointing out or correcting sinful behavior become “judgment”? In 1 Corinthians 5:12 which you erroneously interpreted, Paul did not mean that believers should not call out sinful behavior on the part of unbelievers or call on unbelievers to repent. What he meant was simply that it was not the job of believers to DISCIPLINE a non-believer. Paul insists that Christians do have the responsibility to judge those inside the church. In other words, Christians are called by God to hold each other accountable for ongoing participation in obviously sinful actions. The context of the passage is a Church member who was involved in an incestuous sexual relationship with his father’s wife. Paul instructed the church to take a disciplinary action against this man by kicking him out of the church. Paul’s point is that when a believer is involved in ongoing sinful behavior, other believers can take action to hold him/her accountable. But it is not the responsibility of believers to take disciplinary action against non-believers accountable for their sin. This is Paul’s point here. Paul does not mean to say that believers cannot correct non-believers or call non-believers to repentance. Unfortunately, you have taken Paul’s word out of context and misinterpreted it, and you’re using your misinterpreted view of Paul’s statement to propel a false teaching. One of the tools that satan has been using to silence the Church is “Don’t judge”. As a result, people cannot point out sinful behavior or correct such behavior. Whenever a believer tries to call out sinful behavior in the society, he/she is accused of being judgmental. So, we end up living in a world in which nothing is sinful and it is acceptable for people to do anything, and the Church cannot speak out against sin. People like you do not know the difference between judging people and correcting people.

        I fear your article will end up confusing many believers and giving the non-believers adequate justification to remain in their sin. In the end, you will have done a lot of damage to both groups. You need to repent and stop writing articles that confuse people. Your compromised and watered-down version of Christianity is NOT what the world needs at this time. We’ve already had more than enough of that.

        In one of your articles, you say homosexuality is not the worst sin and that Christians should stop complaining about homosexuality in the society. Not only do you fail to understand the abominable nature of homosexuality in that this sin goes against nature, but you also fail to understand that homosexuality as it is practised today is no longer a sin that is committes in private. The agenda of the homosexual activist movements is to aggressively spread homosexuality throughout the society. They deliberately recruit and indoctrinate children in schools, teaching them that homosexuality is good and that some people were created homosexuals. It’s not enough for them to practice their homosexuality in private, but they are working hard to convert our children into homosexuals. Yet you say Christians should keep quiet and stop “judging” homosexuals! How can you be so spiritually blind? May God forgive you.

        If we all keep silent, how are we to serve as the light of the world?

        God loves sinners and salvation is by grace. But God demands total repentance from our sins. The Church should NOT be preaching salvation without repentance. There is NO salvation without genuine repentance. To the woman who was caught in adultery, Jesus said, “Go and sin no more”. Such should be the message of the Church.

        • Florencio on December 3, 2021 at 5:23 pm

          Wow! Uff🔥🔥Preach it Amen.

    • Adwoa on November 3, 2021 at 4:49 pm

      Where is he?????? Everywhere but in the church. If you
      are a Christian and know what that really means, king trump
      is the TOTAL OPPOSITE. He is rude, obnoxious, and
      self-idolizing. He rules his SUBJECTS, and they are his
      worshippers. He is like a spoiled child. BUT I PRAY FOR HIM AS CHRISTIANS ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. I ONLY WORSHIP GOD, my LORD JESUS CHRIST. Asking the
      Lord to have mercy on us all.

    • Marie Beckett on November 24, 2021 at 1:48 pm

      So how will tRump make the world better? Seems tRump has done enough to bring America down – not up.
      How specifically are the Democrats destroying us? Why do you think church is a waste of time?

      • Alan on November 24, 2021 at 2:50 pm

        Just read the news every day. 10 time loser that the courts let out on $1000 bail. Known felon. Runs over and injures dozens and kills at least 6 people. Stores in L.A. invaded by thugs and criminals not only smashing windows but pepper spraying but beating workers. Chicago Demo controlled city still has hundreds of murders a year for decades. Why because they put the gangs members in jail, release them back out the gangs which give them illegal weapons and this continues on over and over again. Riots in demo controlled areas. Even in cities 2000 miles away which people had zero to do with shootings yet looting and burning businesses. Gun violence is mostly by the criminal element that could care less about you nor any laws whatsoever. Criminals now have more rights then law abiding citizens. Illegal aliens allowed to just come across our borders. Steal our SS cards and go to work illegally causing more problems for the rest of us. Ever had your card stolen, I have. SS stops your payments thinking you are the one working and it takes forever to catch up with them and they are just released to do it again. America is no longer a safe place to live because of politics and people in power that just do not care what happens to YOU. Good luck.

  7. Guest on October 2, 2021 at 7:22 am

    Just look at all the very dumb uneducated women that God unfortunately created these days, especially the real low life loser ones that have no personality and manners at all when many of us single guys will try to start a conversation with a woman that we think would be nice to meet for us. They’re usually very rude and just plain nasty to many of us for no reason at all, even at church as well. Very impossible to meet a normal one there, that is for sure. And since most women in general are real feminists today, and the ones that are real narcissists which makes it even much more worse for us too.

    • Cindi Zwicker on October 18, 2021 at 5:03 am

      Oh, and you sound like a peach of a man. Your comments are rude, crude and ignorant! Did you understand one word of what the pastor wrote in this article? I think not!

    • Carolyn on October 31, 2021 at 7:53 am

      You sound like you have been hurt a number of times. Probably the wrong place to vocalize your pain, but maybe some of us will recognize this and pray for you. I assure you that the entire female gender is not alike, nor can you classify us as uneducated, losers etc….Just makes you look the uneducated person.
      Possibly you are going to the wrong places, setting your sites on the wrong types (looks only?)
      I will say a prayer 4 u this am. God bless

    • A Well Adjusted Man on November 22, 2021 at 10:39 am

      Bro, God isn’t a fan of incels. Judge yourself before you judge others. Are the women the problem, or are men who have no sense of decency? Blaming women for your shortcomings is very telling of your EXCEPTIONAL personality.

    • Jody L. Both on November 24, 2021 at 7:21 am

      If your trying to cozy on up to a Ice Cold narcissistic woman while she is ignoring you, count yourself lucky, thank God, or whoever you think watches over you, and move on. Based on your posts, it could be that women can read you before you have a chance to open your mouth and stick your foot in it. If you come off the same way you sound when posting comments, they already know your type of person, and they just don’t want the hassle of having to explain to you that listening to your well meaning insults, and being blamed for being a dumb, nasty, uneducated and rude to you, so they are just playing it safe and ignoring you, hoping you will go away. Now, I think you are looking in all the wrong places for a woman you can hook up with, church isn’t for you, the women there already know bad behavior, and have come to church to change that, or they are good religious people, who look to attend church, greet other friends, give their money, pray, and go home feeling like they have finished the week on a good note, and starting the next on a clear slate. You are not part of that goal, you need to look for women who can deal with your attitude, your inability to stop from saying all the wrong things, she has to be able to listen to your insults without taking them personally, and can give as good, if not better than she gets from you. You should look for a woman who is skilled at taming wild animals, perhaps a woman who works in a Zoo, or in a circus, on a Farm, is a Wildlife ranger or rescues wild animals. I would say you could have made a perfect mate for Anne Coulter, a very Republican, out of touch, and talks a lot like you do. She used to appear on CNN, years ago, but she is probably older than your own mother. If you can find someone like her, find out where they hang out, you should do very well and get the reception you can respect. Go there, or find them on a Social Media site, then find out who you click with. If you don’t want to listen to a woman speaking like you do, then like I said, try an animal tamer, rescuer of dangerous, and nasty animals, lions, skunks, snakes, tigers, alligators, Crocs, bears, creatures that need to be approached with caution and taught how to trust those who are taking them into a safe place to help and give them the chance that life hasn’t. This type of woman is used to animals trying to kill or maim them, they probably deal with men of that type the same way, and can relate to them much better than a woman who wants to be respected, but not bothered by men who are rude and crude. It’s not the women, it the places you find them that are wrong for you, get creative. Good Luck.

  8. NN on September 27, 2021 at 2:21 pm

    I think the reason for today’s hyper-critical views of Christians focused on the issues of sexuality are well justified. Sexualization and over-sexualization of the society (here in USA and in much of the world) has reached its apogee and now is being pushed down the throats of youngest members of our societies – tender age children. Promiscuity and perversity is normalized and encouraged, while normalcy (straight sexual orientation, abstinence from sexual relations until marriage), modesty and marriage are not only discouraged but condemned as “the thing of the past”. The acts of abomination are being signed into laws and speaking against them often means losing one’s job if not one’s livelihood. As far as I am concerned, there isn’t nearly enough outrage coming from Christians AND Christian Churches in defending school curriculums and childhoods from cancers of immorality, perversity and flesh-dominant policies.

  9. Cory Atchison on September 15, 2021 at 1:14 am

    What I find funny is that all of what you wrote happened in the comments left to you and at you, your words reaffirmed what I thought as well. Ty insightful and intelligent gives me lots to contemplate.

    • Tonne L Miessek on September 25, 2021 at 3:46 pm

      The problem is is that alot of these churches are in people’s affairs that they have no buisness being in. They don’t have the right to make decisions over other people’s lives unless you birthed them and once they become of age you don’t have that right.

    • Lisa Stamatiou on November 4, 2021 at 10:45 am

      Trumps HUMAN and like the rest of us falls short on Godliness, righteousness, and all the other attributes of God. He is very much like a few of the greatest men in the bible. God used them and perfected them. Not judging also means not determining some to be greater than they are. They are you d to let you down and then you’ll be judging them again as a fraud or loser. Stop judging.
      I want Trump or someone with his qualities running this county. In the mean time I am praying that God does his work in Trump and the rest of our leaders.

  10. TheSadHonestTruth on September 14, 2021 at 7:08 am

    Speaking of church, even there unfortunately most women aren’t nice to meet at all either. So many stuck up very nasty women when many of us single men will try to start a conversation with them when the mass is over. Not a good idea meeting a good woman at church, if there are any left which most of the good women have been taken already unfortunately.

    • Nancy on September 25, 2021 at 10:20 am

      Catholic women are already being shamed just for being women. They don’t want to be seen talking to random men at Mass, then they can become targets of so much gossip and name calling and hate. Find out when and where the Singles group meets. If your church doesn’t have one, I would suggest volunteering for different things in order to meet people. Make friends with Catholic men and who knows, you may be introduced to a nice woman.

    • Cindi Zwicker on October 18, 2021 at 5:08 am

      Reread what you just wrote, that may give you the answer as to why women want nothing to do with you!!

  11. RobC on September 12, 2021 at 4:29 am

    PS…. The progress of the church is supernatural. We are called to preach the gospel… it is up to the work of the HS to “convict” people of their sin. The gospel message involves preaching about sin, repentance, and forgiveness. That is the complete message… not just SWEET THINGS… or PROMISE OF PROVISIONS and BLESSING. Those things are not a guarantee but a byproduct of doing what is right according to God’s principles in his word.

    • Lynn on September 14, 2021 at 7:52 am

      JESUS WAS HATED THE FIRST TIME HE CAME & WILL BE HATED THE SECOND TIME TOO, THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE HIM MORE PALATABLE TO A WORLD THAT IS NOT BORN-AGAIN…

      God The Father and God The Son and God The Holy Spirit is NOT a formula for success within the confines of a building called, a Church. He is the eternal creator and judge of all things. Our weirdness or lack thereof does NOT stump Him. We Christians are all different in cultural folkways and differ in gifts and personalities, we are diverse. God is “I AM” there is absolutely nothing He needs from us and He died on the cross and rose again, because of His love and desire for us NOT our personalities or from a need of us.

      God hates our sin and He deals with each of us differently pertaining to the universal sins He universally hates. GOD is NOT a formulaic GOD nor is HIS church. There is not a single close to perfect Christian I’m aware of. God requests our participation and cooperation in growing more like His Perfect Son, JESUS. Despite all of our failings as humans GOD WILL SUCCEED IN HIS PLANS.

      We are DEIFYING our importance! God knows our total inability to meet His standards, this doesn’t give us a pass in any way, because He can also read hearts and minds and knows the abilities we each possess through His Spirit’s power and Grace to forfeit sin and live for Him.

      The MOST important element of a SOUND CHURCH is the SOUND GOSPEL EXPOSIT-ORALLY PREACHED.. And each of us is commanded to spread The Good News Wherever and Wherever we can. We are called, to work out our salvation with fear and trembling within the awareness of how grievous our sins are to our Triune God.

      …AND AS FOR WEIRDNESS, John The Baptiste is in THE WORD of GOD called, The Greatest Man to ever walk the earth Second only to Jesus! I can only pray and plead with The Lord Jesus The Christ to give me the WEIRDNESS and mind of CHRIST as GOD bestowed upon JOHN The BAPTISTE; THE SECOND GREATEST and MOST BLESSED MAN WHO EVER LIVED IN THIS WORLD second ONLY TO JESUS 🌎

      • Eddie Mae Ratliff on September 16, 2021 at 10:20 am

        AMEN and well proclaimed!!!

        • Antonia on September 25, 2021 at 3:29 am

          What a lot of clap trap!! God? Who is he? Jesus died for our sins? clap trap? We still sin. He is dead. Karma!? BS. My brother suicided after being raped by a pedophile and being raised by a narcissistic mother. Did he (sweet tender boy) do something bad in a former life to deserve such pain? And where was Jesus? Did he save my brother from the sin of others? No! And is he punishing that wicked mother? No! She has everything while her children are homeless and suffering. Don’t tell me there’s a God. I don’t believe it. BS. All of it.

          • Nancy on September 25, 2021 at 10:32 am

            My poor, dear, sweet Antonia. You’re suffering so much more than you can bear right now. There’s so much pain possible in this life, how could you have known? But it’s for a reason, and the pain will end, and you’ll learn to surrender and to reach out to God and He’ll take away your pain for a few moments, teaching you to pray, like breathing, and with every prayer more of His light will dawn in your heart with hope. I know, my baby brother shot himself in 1982, and I told God I didn’t believe in Him. One year of hell I grieved for my brother without God. Surrender to Him, sister. Walk with Him.



  12. RobC on September 12, 2021 at 4:25 am

    There are several fallacies in your statement. Please when making comments, try to substantiate it with scripture. You said, “Jesus command it. or is part of Christianity” or similar statements. As a lawyer, you need to be honest with what the words mean. I am a student of the word, and nowhere does it say we cannot be political. AS a matter of fact if you read Old Testament scriptures, much of it involves politics, what king was in power and what his policies did for the COI. Where it lead them and how it caused them to lose favor. As far as being weird, I find that the world in general is weird and they do not have a hard time celebrating their weirdness. You find it weird because you find the tenants of the Gospel to be Cringy… or weird. And for judgment… Read the Epistles and ask yourself, who is Paul talking to when things happened in the church and no one judged it. Now that is true, it is in the church, and you talked about the world, but in many cases we are talking about “People who call themselves Christians” are not. so technically we should judge. People in the world, we can proclaim the gospel and allow the spirit of God to do the rest. CONVICT or bring people under a burden of shame or guilt. That is what Jesus did and commanded his disciples to do. BUT YOU DO HAVE A RIGHT to express yourself. And by the looks of it many people agreed with you.

    • Lynn on September 14, 2021 at 8:00 am

      Rob C.
      I could not agree with you more!
      Thank you

    • Norman du Plooy on September 20, 2021 at 8:43 am

      The only disciple of Jesus that had political ambitions/agenda was Judas Iscariot. Think about it.

  13. Un haiduk on August 30, 2021 at 7:53 pm

    Telling that rampant child abuse in your community didn’t make this list.

    Most hvitkristiner don’t actually see that as a problem to be corrected, naturally.

    • Lisa Vargas on September 3, 2021 at 11:54 am

      Wow!! Amazing read! Many won’t want to be hear it but I am a Christian and I agree wholeheartedly with all you stated. Thank you! Amen!🙏

    • Richard Crawford on September 9, 2021 at 6:23 pm

      Racism didn’t make the list either so the author must be white or oblivious to it and the cancer that it has been and continues to be.

      • Marilyn Willett on October 13, 2021 at 9:27 pm

        The only ”cancer” has been from BLM–full of hate, rioting, looting and the murder of many children caught in the crossfire. BLM was started as an anti Semetic organization hatred of Jews . In the beginning they looted and burned Jewish schools in California–they knew that wouldn’t fly to destroy America so they actually changed their original charter to blacks blaming whites for everything. BLM is full of hatred and violence. it caught on with blacks because most were raised to be violent, bitter and resentful by their angry single mother and the neglect from their absentee fathers. Intelligent blacks were not raised like dogs where the male impregnates the female and leaves her to raise the pups.

  14. Mia on August 19, 2021 at 1:39 am

    To whom it may concern…

    I was “socially awkward” b4 Christianity yet remain myself AFTER THIS PHASE OR RELIGION. HOW ABOUT: people are just attempting to new themselves and we ALL SUCK! I understand that perhaps ppl “of faith” have hurry you AND I EMPATHIZE AND SYMPATHIZE… YET IT IS JUST AS ANY discrimination (closest synonym disregarding race is racism) not all of ANY group, race, creed IS ANY SPECIFIC WAY. ALL IS SUBJECTIVE ETC……. I PERSONALLY am no longer this group yet I acknowledge there are ones who are most certainly doing their best and do not for your harsh reprimands. Do you not see you are being as such? And I’ve only read as much as necessary. Foo you believe you deserve more than others? Just an inquiry. Yet I actually care not of your reply bc you seem equal I’d not less to them all…. In fact you sound a bit bitter…. Then again do I not? None of my business…. I hope the best for all regardless of me. Goodbye

  15. Bright Atta on August 11, 2021 at 9:55 pm

    God richly bless you for coming out with this. It is an eye opener. That’s what’s really happening in churches today. God have mercy on all of us. Well done bro

    • Dorian on August 17, 2021 at 6:31 pm

      Look man bible is a lie. It was created with liers and so was and is history. Bible tells u snakes talk but we know they don’t.bible tells u god the father wanted Jesus on the cross but hi didn’t. It was the government and their employees who did. Bob Morley was wright on every song. Get up stand up. Preacher man don’t tell them I corona 👑 jah jah God the father of Jesus Christ was coming from the sky. U all know where baby comes from.

      • Dignitary on September 1, 2021 at 12:04 am

        The bible can never be a lie. It’s the inspired word of God and it’s accurate and true. You can blaspherm any other thing but not the bible to save yourself from the wrath of God, God bless you as you adhere .

    • Francina Molaadira on August 21, 2021 at 7:13 am

      It is true, though I’m still concerned about trying to change the government because the word says we need to pray from them that has authority over us. When you start praying for someone it means you saw a lack and you need some change. We have Christian leaders in Gov who never mingled themselves with whatever is taking place. But we know Wisdom is to fear God

  16. Mike P on August 2, 2021 at 7:36 pm

    Two of my big hangups about the modern church in America are as follows:
    Churches in general are employing people who do not have a good relationship skills. Generally speaking the churches I’ve been part of although wildly successful in terms of numbers I’ve done a lousy job with displaying empathy and compassion.

    Secondly I think the church and stop trying to look like a well polished Broadway musical or a big performance that is carefully choreographed to make everyone feel good. Personally I stopped hanging in bars and nightclubs 25 years ago because I was sick of the slippery atmosphere but now many contemporary churches are starting to look more like the nightclubs I stopped going to 25 years ago.

    In my experience if the church could simply just narrow it’s teachings down to compassion and empathy with self control and some good solid instruction about these virtues then they would not need a light show or a smoke machine and other nonsensical items which I’m afraid Jesus would throw out into the street and say that “Why did you turn my house into a den of thieves and robbers, and slippery antics designed to entice people to the organization instead of pointing them to ME.”

    • Grace McGee on August 13, 2021 at 2:21 pm

      WOW! That is my sentiment exactly! I partied hearty and once saved, I stopped only to come to church (though not initial church I joined) and feel like I am at a concert and nearly everything is a performance. What happened to come out from among them and be separated. The world loves its own so it will exist wherever it can. God has a plan of salvation for each of us so, inspite of it all, God is the one that draws God’s own and no one can pluck them from God’s hands.

  17. Ada on July 29, 2021 at 8:20 pm

    I have gone to my little church for over 30 years, we have raised 4 children , all are Christians. Our church is small and a lot of family goes there who have their children and grandchildren. Some of the members live out of town so we have a lot pot lucks. Services are at 10:30 to 11:30 then after noon service is at 1:30. We attend morning services but both of us have full time jobs and on Sunday afternoons we try to see our children and grandchildren. Lately some of the congregation appears to be offended because we do not as they gave a sermon “Stick Around”. Right after the sermon about sticking around , one of the new members ask if we would like to eat with them. I wasn’t sure if she means to go out and eat, eat there or where so while I was caught off guard, I said well we appreciate but we have plans. We give money to the Church, I work for a low income program and reach out to a lot of people. I see a bigger need outside the Church than to spend my spare time eating with them and not seeing my family or other people we are friends with that go to other Churches. I guess everyone should be involved in the Church other than Sunday morning but I enjoy church service because I never get burned out. I like all the people but I don’t understand why not eating with them would offend them. I never see any of them knock on doors and try to bring in new members but I have seen plenty of people who have left because evidently gossip has it they didn’t do enough or go enough so they finally quit or went somewhere else. I could not tell you who shows up and who doesn’t because I don’t think it is my business why they do or don’t eat. I guess I didn’t know that was a commandment. Also if I was going to ask someone to eat with me, the first thing I would ask is , “Do you have plans for lunch?” I feel like we have been the topic of their stick around pot lucks.

  18. Kai on July 22, 2021 at 3:21 pm

    Carey… what an astute observation and i pray for those who are so blinded by darkness they couldn’t see the Truth in your words. No wonder the Israelites wandered in the wilderness for 40 years as a result of their unwillingness to take heed to Truth. I wonder how many of these commentators have an ACTUAL relationship with God, verse a second hand witness report?

    • Michael Merenda on July 29, 2021 at 11:07 am

      1. you say weird GOD says peculiar, so deny all you want but for example straight outta scripture, God said that we are a peculiar people. –> Deuteronomy 14:2 includes the verse “For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.” and 1 Peter 2:9 reads “But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light.

      2. sharing the Gospel is trying to change the government (whispering ) “that governs the world” by the Grace of God
      Jesus said to “bring the Gospel to “””ALL””” the world. the Government is in the world. not only that the part of the Government the believes in Christ and not ashamed to mention him are highly persecuted for it.
      your not one of them are you? i mean there are some good Christians in government who are unafraid to mention Jesus as we are called to do. besides gossiping is a sin. but mentioning Christ makes the heavens Sing Glory, Glory, Golry! i admit i am peculiar too. but i think of this scripture a lot too, Luke: 9-26 For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, of him the Son of Man will be ashamed when He comes in His own glory, and in His Father’s, and of the holy angels. this is what makes us peculiar 😉 scripture, God living word! aint it cool? we are a people set apart, holy and peculiar. loving and expectant of Gods favor to help us convince other nations people of Christ our Savior! John 3:17
      “For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
      Jesus Christ is who we should love like, not me, not you, not government,

      3. i agree!

      4. yep, a sin is a sin and all sin is forgivable except for blasphemy of the Holy spirit. and i dont recommend any of them. if we spoke more of Jesus Christ we would sin less, probably, maybe.

      5. is a slippery slope, but your right about we are not suppose to judge but, we are suppose to be OF good judgement. the bible “Gods Word” doesn’t have just 10 commandments its full of them. if it were me i would search my heart, the bible as much as the law books and even my friends brains

      God Bless you Carey!

  19. SeanW on July 18, 2021 at 5:11 pm

    Personally I don’t believe that Christ is magnified & exalted by reciting testimonies of what Satan has done in the church.
    The Gospel literally means “good news”. The apostle Paul advised us that God only trust his power to “good news”.
    “I’m not ashamed of the Gospel because it is the power of God unto salvation.” Paul is literally saying that “Good News” is the POWER of God to save”. What are we saved from? Everything in the atonement.
    Paul never rebuked churches that were not directly submitted to his leadership. He only wrote letters to those who had already agreed to receive his leadership. He also did not rebuke general behavior in the church – he always rebuked specific situations. He never made lists of “problems in the church” & magnified what was wrong with them.
    Praise is what silences the enemy. Magnifying what you think is wrong with the church is not a scriptural activity mentioned anywhere for spreading the Gospel. Praise is an activity that’s powerful enough to silence all the enemies that attack the church. Perhaps you might want to focus on magnifying the “testimony of Jesus Christ – which is the spirit of prophecy”.
    Paul said to preach “Jesus Christ & him crucified”. He said that we have the “ministry of reconciliation” & that he’s “not counting our sins against us but is reconciling everyone to himself”. I don’t see any words of reconciliation in this presentation. I don’t see much evidence of the Gospel here.
    I see generalized accusations that don’t seem to minister reconciliation but instead foster accusation & criticism – which seems to be your beef with others but are you not doing the same thing you are accusing others of?

    • M on July 22, 2021 at 4:06 pm

      Manipulating and using scripture to project your personal beliefs so that you may continue to live in sin IS exactly why we need posts like this. Too many people leave the church and never come back because of people like you. Instead of bashing this post maybe pray about where you’re falling short. Whatever compelled you to leave such a response was probably conviction. Check yourself before your reck yourself.

      21 “Not everyone who says to Me, (B)‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who (C)does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we (D)not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And (E)then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; (F)depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

      • Kevin on July 25, 2021 at 10:46 am

        You are all led and driven by the enemy and don’t know it. You are guilty of the exact things you criticize Chriatians for. TRUTH is truth and is absolute and we Christians know that God’s Word is the truth. Any alteration changes the truth to your own worldly conformity.

  20. Kristin on July 16, 2021 at 8:03 am

    5 stupid things you do and why church should throw you out: 1. Your miserable and insulting titles to posts and posts 2. Your overanalytical mind just spews out whatever the enemy fed you that day 3. You don’t love God, people, and you definitely hate yourself 4. Your offputting and miserable personality makes good Christians not want to surround themselves by people like you, hence we leave church but don’t leave God 5. stop insulting and shaming churches. if you hate it so much there then leave and shut your mouth!

    • M on July 22, 2021 at 4:02 pm

      How can YOU call yourself a Christian when you speak this way? Patience, kindness, gentleness, love? Sound familiar? She’s pointing out where the church IS falling short and exactly why people leave and never come back. You and your grammar suck.

  21. Deplorable Roy on July 10, 2021 at 7:28 am

    Faggots faggot Everyware faggots faggots you don’t care faggot you don’t care you try to spead your nasty disease and make everybody faggotly Take your faggotness and shove it up your faggot ass

    • Michelle on July 11, 2021 at 12:27 am

      GOD loves homosexuals. That being said Most homosexuals hate women and Jesus. They might say they love Jesus but they show that they hate Jesus. GOD has given this world one last chance. When HE makes HIS evaluation of this world and that it tried to destroy real followers of GOD this society will go to the lake of fire (most will). Those who really loved GOD they persecuted. The Bible says GOD commits all judgement to his “son” Jesus and we must ALL stand before the judgement seat of Christ. So GOD will give the final decision to Jesus to make and HE is not changing HIS mind. So before you act like beings are ganging up on homosexuals ask yourself are homosexuals trying to destroy Jesus and those who TRULY love from their hearts GOD? Do they have plans that obviously GOD does NOT agree with that involve cruelty beyond cruelty? Satan is cruel yet so many transgendered men follow Satan and they demonstrate Satan’s methods. Obviously they are homosexuals. So it’s not as if these homosexuals (transgender men and non transgender men ) are living righteous lives beside their homosexuality. No they are doing the most cruel and hateful things to women and children. They are trying to corrupt good and destroy. That is their intent. They have earned their reputations and instead of coming together to make this world a better place they want to destroy light and fight against GOD. That is what those who are watching are against. Truly, everyone will be judged on EVERY sin they EVER committed from books that list EVERY GOOD and bad thing they have done. And imagine if it were 10,000+ years of behavior that was listed what will happen to them? Remember the ten thousand talents? Well those without mercy won’t get mercy according to the Bible. So it’s not just that those watching are against homosexuality but those who say they love GOD and don’t. Those that are rebelling and following Satan yet say they are the church of Jesus. Those that say they love Jesus but hate Jesus obviously and pretend they don’t. Those who have plans that anyone with a conscience couldn’t agree with. Those that try to get people to go to the lake of fire although they already earned their place there. Those who oppress women and children and act like they don’t. No it’s not really the homosexuality. It is all the other horrible things they are doing. They actually enjoy watching others suffer while those watching generally don’t. Those watching want true justice while this world is biased and does not. Thank you for reading. I am sure this will get ignored just like GOD’s warnings but it needs to be said because it is the truth which is something this society seems to hate. Thank you.

      • Alan on July 11, 2021 at 12:30 pm

        Whether a God or entity loves or hates something no one knows. Has a God told you this? Has a God spoke via audio or video? Has a God emailed you or come on your TV in a message? Has a God stopped any bullets meant for others that are on target and all of a sudden veered off? Does a God decide which plane with 250 different people with a dozen different religions decide which ones to just crash and end human lives? Has a God stepped in and stopped any wars? Has a God blocked any car accidents that were sure to happen by chance? Has a God appeared before anyone to make it’s point. Does a God make other creatures and dinosaurs because it has no idea what himself (being made in his image) then a billion years later designs a mirror and figures out what humans look like and puts them on Earth. Puts them on earth to be the most thoughtless, dangerous creatures that ever existed? If we were made in Gods image then would not this God be cruel just like us? If a God was of material form it could not exist forever. Flesh does not last long in our Universe. Like a second compared to almost eternity. What does God look like since you know what God thinks and does and lives and Heaven is just over the rainbow? These are all question that other humans look the other way and can not explain these reasons. Oh yes, It’s because only God knows. How if only God knows you would know what he does and everything else he likes or not? You Wouldn’t. No one has seen a God or heard a God. Catholic Church knew everything. Yes the World is the center of everything. Yes the World is flat. Yes if you do not bow down to the church you are going to be punished and tortured and even put to death. Yet the church ends up burning Joan of Arc 2 times and then makes her a saint 500 years later. This all means the Pope and others are no pipe line to any such God. They knew nothing because a God never told them. Thus they were lying about what they knew and wrong, period. A world in which the last 3400 years of war only 250 years without wars. This same God destroyed two cities, sent Moses packing around a desert, parted waters and now never ever ever does a thing to stop crime, violence or anything whatso ever. Maybe there was a God. If so now then this God does not want to be seen, heard or bother with any human. These things need to be answered which they are not nor can possibly be. Evidence is powerful. Hearsay, fiction and Old Wives Tales are ones imagination. If I have been given a brain and it allows me to think. Therefore I want answers. If there are none then this God does not exist at this time. If someone wishes to answer these questions then be my guest. No only God knows or God works in its own way. No excuses.

        • David Mathews III on July 12, 2021 at 6:56 am

          Yes Sir, same goes seems like the wimpy types love to make excuses for what they cannot see, perhaps, favoritism is why for a better reward. The most peculiar event as in profound experience happened to me after having ingested Angels Trumpet coined the train wreck of all hallucinogens. One day in 2013 I had had enough of the arguing and noise, I ate some flowers and began to meet my maker so it seemed to me. Yes, long story short I went up a tunnell and ended up floating on my back freaking out about my family knowing I was dead. Then a person put thier hand on my chest and ALL the pain left as information answering the questions we as people have arrived as would a download. The most uncanny reveal I brought back with was the purity of love and the need for it to continue. This is my story, I do expect adversarial light shed upon the fact that I was tripping balls and other shortcomings but this is my best concise reveal maybe for that reason people kill love to prove it’s existance, still giving no body of proof.

        • Lana Smiley on September 21, 2021 at 5:20 am

          The answers to all your questions/angst are found in the Word of God. Read it for yourself. It will change your life.

      • Chuck Pritchett on July 16, 2021 at 9:27 pm

        Well im not a religious nut or anything but I think at least for myself that I cab realate to these 5 things as well maybe it’s just a people thing and not so much a church thing but since they are a group it’s easier to classify them as all churches as suppose to being a people thing. Atleast that’s my take
        Thank you cp

    • Guest on October 2, 2021 at 7:08 am

      AMEN.

  22. Go Figure on June 30, 2021 at 8:15 am

    Why in the world would i go to church when God is really punishing many of us good innocent people for no reason at all, and he rewards the very evil ones? Hell no.

    • Left and Proud on July 7, 2021 at 5:26 am

      The three tenants of God are – Omnibenevolent (All Loving) Omnicscient (All knowing) and Omnipotent (All powerful)

      God required Jesus to die to attain eternal life for mankind? Having conditions on power means he’s not Omnipotent
      God killed the world with a flood, soddom and gomorra, etc.. I could not POSSIBLY fathom torturing people like that and I am a lowly human who is falliable. i.e. God is not Omnibenevolent.
      God tested Abraham. If he was all knowing, he would know Abrahams heart and would not need to test him, or job, or anyone else.

      So of the three tenants of God, .. he’s none of them. Which makes him, assuming he exists, on the same level as Zeus, Posidean, Athena, etc.. A better child, pissing on ants, and not giving a shit.

    • Charles on July 7, 2021 at 7:18 pm

      I went to church for 40 years. The ignorance was too overwhelming near the end, then the Republican Party took it over to support Trump. It became a cult. I had zero time for organized religion for a year and only now am occasionally popping into a service, not for my own benefit, but in case I can help somebody. Won’t join, give only if and when I want, and zero obligation to “be under” a pastor. Many non-Christians live more Christlike than church people, and the most meaningful time I have had with God have been in my living room alone, not in a church service.

      • Ray on July 10, 2021 at 3:07 am

        Trump is pro-life and so are real Christian. If you can’t respect what God has created. You don’t believe in God. Trump is the first president to come out and say he is pro-life. The worst thing a Christian can do is be silent. I am not a Trump fan. What I do like about him is just some basic things he wants to do. We know evil will prevail over the saints. Says so in the bible. Does not mean we should make it easy for him and do or say nothing.

    • Alogwu Morgan Adakole on July 10, 2021 at 10:03 am

      I most humbly beg to disagree with you on that. The fact that there is suffering in the world is not an indication that God allows it. God doesn’t pamper you no matter how much he loves you. Every human being has a predetermined sequence of events in their lives. Like a father, he tries to guide you but only if you let him do so

      • Alan on July 11, 2021 at 1:48 pm

        We are not some sort of story book characters that a God would use for entertainment. What happens to you is by chance only. Unless of course you intend to just jump off a cliff, take drugs and other dangerous things to yourself. There is nothing guiding me except myself. Parents taught me the differences of right and wrong. No one looks out for you except maybe your parents, friends or yourself. Is something you never have seen a he or? A God would never try but do. I have no idea what this entity, God or person wants from me other then what is written by other humans. Which millions take every sentence in different ways. A powerful God could write itself. My every action is of my own consciousness. I try not to live by hearsay, Old Wives Tales or imagination. I have a brain which leads me and to also ask questions that are not ever given but in a faith way about what is reality. If it can’t be seen, detected, heard , found then it does not exist until it does. Story telling is just that. Religions that tout their own God had no idea the Earth was even round, nor not the center of the Universe or our own Solar System yet spoke for a God. A God never told them so how’s this work out? The Pope knows no more then you or I do. Totally all based on a faith. Faith does not give you heads instead of tails. Faith does not stop your plane you are traveling by, engines stop and you tumble to Earth and your demise. These are all by chance because it can happen. I try to do the best I can from what I know is real and right. Others have different thoughts on just that. Fair is another word that has a different meaning to what is fair to them or not. A world that has like 7.7 billion differences on what they think and believe. None of them think exactly the same.

    • Kristin on July 16, 2021 at 8:04 am

      Amen ps Carey is a miserable human who needs to be canceled.

    • Marie on July 18, 2021 at 9:21 am

      God is not punishing anyone. People hurt each other and ruin His creation. And that is why He sent Jesus; to save our souls from hell fire. He loves that much. And we save ourselves by choosing to listen to God, choosing good over evil. God will not ‘stop crimes’, because He calls US to. He invites us into His perfect divine nature and character. He respects that we are free agents, having free will, being free to choose. That is His gift and how He created mankind. You have a part in that. Even angels have freedom of choice.

      So, you want God to wave a magic wand and make it all better, do everything for you, make it go away, make it right. By sending Jesus, He already showed us love and what pleases Him. We have the ultimate example of supreme goodness, and every trustworthy and honorable thing.

      But sometimes people don’t want to listen to God. For example, if someone loves their parent, they want to please them because they love and would never want to dishonor them or their name. How much more should we want to honor God, our heavenly Father. It’s not hard to figure it out. A child could do it, Jesus said similarly, “the kingdom of heaven is for little children”, and it belongs to those with child-like faith in Jesus.

      God is for you, not against you. You know the good way, you know what pleases Him. You belong to God, so live like a child of God – have faith, and behave. Keep your faith alive, yet keep it simple. Don’t get distracted with stupid weird stuff, the bane of Christianity, distractions that warp pure devoted faith in Jesus Christ.

      Love, be kind, forgive, and overcome evil with good, as Jesus did. And YOUR world will be a better place. And maybe it’ll influence another world. Because you know that YOU have done everything possible to make it so. Behave yourself, be an good example of faith and godliness to others. And this is the toughest part of being a Christian. But it’s what makes one a fully mature and complete human being.

      Honestly, I almost feel like I rewrote or reiterated scripture here, lol. I’m not saying anything new here, but it’s tried, tested, and truth.

      Remember, this is God’s earth, universe, and world (mankind), His creation, and one day He will send Jesus back to earth to judge everyone with fire, which reveals your faith and deeds. We’ll then all be “resurrected” to get the new bodies our actions justly fairly deseve, good or bad. That should sober up every one of us. After that, God will start a new creation with His obedient faithful children, with the good ones. So, how should we live while still on earth? (or on some other plant, as everyone still dies)? Meanwhile, until then, God, in His loving patient way, holds back judgement, and invites us to participate with Him in His holy divine nature, thru Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Choice is really and truly yours. You make your world what you want it. God gave you that ability. So make the world a better place, by doing like Jesus and those who love him. I mean, like the real Jesus of scripture, and not some other one that fits your agenda, identity, or lifestyle. Then, you want some other God, or Jesus. And those are a-plenty, and someone in the church will soon come up with a new Jesus at some point once again. Nothing new. Been done for centuries.

      I totally agree with Carey’s article. I know, I’ve lived in it for over 40 years. And yet, for all the good I’ve done, I know I still got some growing up to do too. Jesus said for the believer to “overcome” bad with good and right behaviors that reflect, honor, and glorify Him (Revelation 2). And that’s when you see the true church emerge, like a light in darkness.

      Thanks Carey.

      • Alan on July 25, 2021 at 7:02 pm

        You know all this because.
        1. God has told you but no one else
        2. You read this from a book written by other humans
        3. You guessed because you know in your own heart which billions do not
        4. You know things that the Vatican never did nor ever will
        5. If one of these is true and no one was ever told by any God or entity and never in a audio, video or anyway possible to get this across to the masses then you must be all knowing. Plus the fact that millions take every sentence in said Bible to have a different meaning to them. I would heartedly agree with you if I knew for a fact any of this was true. And Jesus is on the way for the past 2000 years. Thousands on corners holding signs of this fact. Yeah I get it. I deal i reality not hearsay, Old Wives Tales and others stories that have never happened nor about to in the next second. Something does not exist until it does, period. Things in life that happen every day do because they can. It rains, it pours, it snows and some lands become droughts after time. Unless of course you actually believe that God controls these things. Like a tornado wiping out 100 people that never did anything wrong in their lives but to be in the way of God creation. What bullet fired missed their target because of hand of God detoured it? So 2,000 bombs are dropped on enemies. One does not explode. Why not 1,999 because it could be stopped by a God, right. They are dropped and they do what bombs do, period. There are a billion other things you can put into this and it ends the same way. Things happen because the can. I doubt God would just kill a dozen in a factory because of an planned accident. If you can answer all these in a logical and not magical way I would like to hear it. Do not say only God knows because you would not know what a God knows or not and it’s pure speculation rather then fact. I do wish you happiness whatever your beliefs are.

  23. Bill Smith on June 25, 2021 at 3:59 am

    You are right that God is not Republican or Democrat, but the modern Democrats actively hate anyone trying to live a Christian life, so your comments in that area leave some big holes.

    The Republicans suck big time too and the system is headed for a mess. Though admitting to that now brings up the cynicism you oppose. Oh no!

    Are we all supposed to have a “Don’t Worry, Be Happy!” Christianity?

    Things are far worse than most realize, but they are likely to continue on for much longer than seems possible.

    Though keep in mind that you can’t stand for righteousness without standing against the clear and obvious spirit of the world, especially where it has taken over so many things today. Don’t claim to serve God if you never bother anyone!

    Skip the harsh judgment preaching, but realize people will get offended just because you think some sin is truly sinful. Even those in the sin can’t agree where the line is, so how can you proclaim no judgment on life is allowed? Are Christians supposed to withdraw from the culture and have no influence? I guess so according to this article.

    Ironic that I cam across it searching Google for “disgusted with the modern church”. I am fully that way, but the advice here won’t solve the problem of people making connections either. I want to connect with like-minded people and let iron sharpen iron, but that is not very achievable since so few even try to stand for what is right and mentioning things will get even Christians to attack you.

    When di you last reach out to an older divorced Christian man who faces life alone (no family or children)? I bet you have not. Consider that before you proclaim what the church is doing wrong, at least in the areas you note.

    • dennis j bessette on June 27, 2021 at 8:45 am

      Fellowship and being part of a group is a large stumbling block for me. None of us know how to act around others in a church setting. My solution is to try to do only what I am convinced is God’s will in my life and not try to be the judge of others who may be struggling with the same issues of gathering with a flock. Thanks for the scripture of Psalm 46:10 and also Micah 6:8. Beyond that please give me faith.

    • Alan on June 30, 2021 at 10:51 am

      I republican have zero to do with anyone else but myself. I do not use religion as a crutch. Rather believe in things that are actual reality. Sometimes the people running the country have zero in common with my beliefs whatsoever. My parents taught me the differences of right and wrong. I do not need a bible or scriptures written by humans thousands of years ago. Until something is proven without a doubt it does not exist, period. Humans do very well in making up fiction. Probably billions of written, on screen or Old Wives Tales abound. If Heaven or hell exists it is not of our known realm nor is anyone of a Godly nature telling us anything about it other then people sitting in high places (The Vatican and 100’s of others) . They know so much with zero idea the world was even round, Earth not the center of anything other then someone taught them through hearsay. Tells one they didn’t actually speak to any entity or superior species. So I guess it is something called faith. Faith i am going to win. Faith I am going to live past 90. Faith that someone will be there for me afterlife. Nothing other then whatever you yourself believe in with no evidence of substance whatsoever. You think a God would leave a recorded or visual message. Or it would not wait 150 million years after making other living creatures like dinosaurs. It’s image should be us and not a 100 foot long creature dominating this planet for eons. Also making billions of galaxies no one could see until Hubble. Again point being? The only God knows is another human made up idea. How does anyone know what God knows or not? All these thinks are those that have a brain to think. Not conjure up things because of fantasy. I thank those who let me post on this site. Many great thoughts from others. I wish you all well.

      • Lana Smiley on September 21, 2021 at 5:34 am

        Suggest you buy a Bible and read it – it will clear up all the confusion in your mind as well as expose all the lies of the devil which you now subscribe to.

  24. Spyros on June 14, 2021 at 11:24 am

    I’m not a preacher. Heck I dont even know If I am a Christian, but like what you say. i.e. I like this website. & Your pieces of the Bible. Your Bible scripture. It’s good.

    However , sounding weird & being weird is almost always me all the time !! Whatever I am talking about. But age / growing up/ being serious seems to dampen that downa bit. So that’s good *:) 👍❤️👍❤️👍

    • Heather on June 19, 2021 at 7:29 pm

      Hi
      I met and fell in love with my sweet supportive fiance 8 years ago. He left his wife in 2007 and we met in 2013. She lied, stole from him as well as being super emotionally abusive and would never stop eating to the point of morbid obesity for 30+ years. She was hospitalized off and on for health complications the entire time due to her massive weight and she continued to eat herself to death with candy and junk food although he begged her to stop. She left him, packed her stuff and drove off. We got together after that. Anyway, I was hurt when his evangelical christian son texted me I was a C*nt and to leave his family alone because I was a W*ore. Doesn’t God want him to have a life and be happy after sacrificing almost 40 years of paying bills, working his butt off, raising his children. They are all adults now. Now this same child of his is on his third marriage and is still married and living with another woman. It seems so hypocritical. He won’t even talk to his dad, for years now. I want to say something; it just doesn’t make sense to me. How do I handle this? How do I handle his entire family blaming me for the things the Mom did? How do I stomach this hypocrisy? It’s so rude and makes me never want to be around Christians.

      • Terry on June 24, 2021 at 9:01 am

        Hello, I read your story and found it very heart felt. As a Christian sister to lift your Spirits up. I first want to say, you did nothing wrong first of all so don’t be hard on yourself.
        Pray for them is the best thing you can do.
        Unfortunately it sounds like his son needs to grow up and see, he should be wanting to see his dad happy. And yes by his own lifestyle with marriages he is being hypocritical instead of saying, dad unfortunately circumstances got in the way with you and mom, it didn’t work out like I wish it would have. I’m going to pray for you dad and for the next relationship you get involved with. I want you to be happy dad and I love you!
        He should be showing love and compassion for his dad. He should learn to except you if you make his dad happy.
        Sorry for putting my two sense in but I hope it’s helped in some ways. God bless!!

      • Bill Smith on June 25, 2021 at 3:44 am

        Your story may be true, and many women really are like that. You also fail to realize the pain children face from the choices their parents make. You did come in an interrupt any chance at restoration. That may not have been likely, but spend a bit of time understanding where the son was coming from and perhaps you would have a bit more compassion yourself.

        I am skeptical about the whole area now, both as a child of divorce and a man who faced divorce after almost 30 years of marriage to a “Christian” woman. I will still not leave my faith, for that is all that has kept me these many years, but it sucks far more than you realize.

        Quit blaming others, especially even adult children, for their pain. You may never get close to him, but are you so thinned skinned you can’t look past it? Have you done nothing harsh yourself that greatly hurt others? Maybe you are a special snowflake, but I doubt that. I have yet to find one today.

        • SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE! on June 25, 2021 at 1:36 pm

          you sound like an angry mean old man. no wonder your wife left. i am not thin skinned just tired of men being hypocritical narcissistic abusers of women. his mother and him have both stolen from and lied to his dad for years. there was no reconciliation possible if they would continue to act the same way in the future.

        • snowflake on June 25, 2021 at 1:44 pm

          believe me i do know adult children pain inflicted by parents, and i do have compassion, but can no one that is christian admit fault when they’re lying thieving lazy selfish morbidly obese candy addicts, god really wants him to spend his entire life spoon feeding ice cream and gummy bears to his “wife” how is she even considered a wife to him if she’s too fat to have sex. isn’t that some kind of emotional neglect of her husband.

    • Bill Smith on June 25, 2021 at 3:46 am

      Being weird is to be expected for anyone who pushes against the flow today, even though the truly weird ones are those pushing for more and more junk in life.

      I realized a couple of years ago I will never likely be close to others because of those reasons. I also find people like the author here very judgmental himself. Only he reserves his judgment for those he should often support!

  25. Evangelist Andrew Kelly on June 11, 2021 at 11:38 am

    We are told to come out from amoung them and not stay in these dead churchs which is offering nothing but strong delusions to believe a lie to be dammed with. The seat of the scornful local church by their inequity and hyprocracy to the words of the bible. These lukewarm preachers twice dead and plucked up by the roots want people in the church to play church while looking for your pocketbook by using vain deceit. Wolves in sheeps clothing. The preacher sure wants his/her:

    Sunday School sing song service, tithes, parties, vain deceit, sports games, and carnal worldly events to fill their belly, divorce remarry 3-5 times adulterer Sunday school teachers and choir leaders, and  programs, and pocketbook leaving man empty in their soul.

    All we have in church is nothing but skeletons walking in as no flesh and blood of Jesus the Son of God is preached which is his words as they are spirit and life John 6:63. The preacher wants you to endorse them filling up their sins and feasting off your sin instead of giving them up. Jesus told us not to labour for the meat that perishes but that which endures unto everlasting life. The preacher can make a nice cheese sandwich with all the trimming but he sure can not make you a feast to sit at the table of Christ to eat and drink the flesh and blood of Jesus. Man loves all these deceivers instead of coming out and just wants to hear what the preachers says and not what they have to know. Mankind would rather go to hell in peace then be persecuted and go to heaven troubled. Thus the preacher has his pocketbook filled with every abomination down the street they can find and endorse, leaving your soul on it’s way to hell fire and brimstone. We who are born again have no business in these twice dead plucked up by the roots Sunday school churches offering nothing but strong delusions to believe a lie to be dammed to hell with and nothing for the saving of the soul.

    John 6:27] Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

    Matthew 23:[13] But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
    [14] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
    [15] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
    27] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.
    [28] Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

    2nd Cor 6:14] Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
    [15] And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
    [16] And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
    [17] Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
    [18] And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

    Mark 7:6] He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
    [7] Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctines the commandments of men.

    Col 2:[8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

    Acts 14:22] Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

    2nd Cor 7:1] Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

    Philippians 3:18] (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
    [19] Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

    Col 3:1] If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
    [2] Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
    [3] For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
    [4] When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
    [5] Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
    [6] For which things’ sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
    [7] In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
    [8] But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
    [9] Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
    [10] And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
    [11] Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

    2nd Peter 2:1] But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
    [2] And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
    [3] And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

    Ephesians 3:6] Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
    [7] Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
    [8] For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
    [9] (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
    [10] Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
    [11] And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
    [12] For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
    [13] But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
    [14] Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
    [15] See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
    [16] Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

    1st Timothy 6:3] If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
    [4] He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
    [5] Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

    1st Thess 2:14] For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
    [15] Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
    [16] Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

    2nd Thess 2:10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
    [11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
    [12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    Romans 8:5] For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
    [6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
    [7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
    [8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
    [9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

    Psalm 1:1] Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
    [2] But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
    [3] And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
    [4] The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
    [5] Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
    [6] For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.
    Ezekiel 22:17] And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
    [18] Son of man, the house of Israel is to me become dross: all they are brass, and tin, and iron, and lead, in the midst of the furnace; they are even the dross of silver.
    [19] Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye are all become dross, behold, therefore I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem.
    [20] As they gather silver, and brass, and iron, and lead, and tin, into the midst of the furnace, to blow the fire upon it, to melt it; so will I gather you in mine anger and in my fury, and I will leave you there, and melt you.
    [21] Yea, I will gather you, and blow upon you in the fire of my wrath, and ye shall be melted in the midst thereof.
    [22] As silver is melted in the midst of the furnace, so shall ye be melted in the midst thereof; and ye shall know that I the LORD have poured out my fury upon you.

    Amos 8:11] Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
    [12] And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.
    [13] In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.

    Jeremiah 5:20] Declare this in the house of Jacob, and publish it in Judah, saying,
    [21] Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not:
    [22] Fear ye not me? saith the LORD: will ye not tremble at my presence, which have placed the sand for the bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it: and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it?
    [23] But this people hath a revolting and a rebellious heart; they are revolted and gone.
    [24] Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest.
    [25] Your iniquities have turned away these things, and your sins have withholden good things from you.
    [26] For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men.
    [27] As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit: therefore they are become great, and waxen rich.
    [28] They are waxen fat, they shine: yea, they overpass the deeds of the wicked: they judge not the cause, the cause of the fatherless, yet they prosper; and the right of the needy do they not judge.
    [29] Shall I not visit for these things? saith the LORD: shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?
    [30] A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;
    [31] The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

  26. Guest on June 9, 2021 at 7:46 pm

    Why did God create so many very mentally disturbed women these days? I am still trying to figure that one out since most women these days are very mean and nasty to many of us good single men looking for love today. A lot of very troubled women everywhere today that are very dangerous as well. What a very big mistake God really made there unfortunately. Even at church, women aren’t nice at all either.

    • Bill Smith on June 25, 2021 at 3:48 am

      God didn’t do it, the women made that choice and were often supported by foolish men.

      I do wonder the same things myself at times, but God is a lot higher than we are and judging Him by our standards is rather foolish and prideful, which fits so many today.

      • Alan on June 25, 2021 at 2:21 pm

        Yes. God did not make nor wish someone to have handicaps or mental problems. They just happen for a million different reasons. Some are trapped into certain situations. Maybe it was the neighborhood, environment, parents or other dilemma’s. Could be bullying, things taught by teachers or just things heard on the made up news which leaders which wish only for you to hear. The reality of it all is that nothing stops bad, good or whatever things happening except maybe yourself. Though just being at the wrong place at the wrong time could seal ones fate. 200 different people of 20 different faiths coming from 20 different countries that have zero ties with one another can and will crash in a plane, sink in a ship or a huge accident and all are not planned. They happen just because it can. Makes no sense that something that exists in others minds (100+ plus religions) would have any baring on life and death. So being deranged, unfit, criminal or almost a Saint (another fictional idea). Your life on Earth can end at 2 or 110 for any reason that can possibly be explained. There is nothing fair (which everyone’s idea of what is fair to them). Things not of reality are not real until they are. If something has never been heard, seen or done anything whatsoever does not exist until it shows. The wind blows and tears off your roof-weather-The plane dives into the ground -accident or engine failure, maybe even shot down. This we know. There is nothing to stop a bullet from target unless it misses or hits something else before you. Ever seen a invisible hand reach out and save someone? Who saved Joan of Arc? No one. Then the same organization that burned her to death makes her a Saint 500 years later. Didn’t anyone tell them she was a Saint when she was still alive? No. People make up rules along the way to suit their purposes. Add another billion or two things along the way of Mankind and you can see just what reality is. I will agree it does not hurt to have faith until that faith is destroyed by history. People need to believe in something and if they are right-joyous. If not they will never know. Thank you for letting me post this.

        • Brian on July 8, 2021 at 3:51 pm

          Probably one of the smartest things to note, in my opinion, is your comment that we need to believe in something … And hopefully it’s something joyous or that brings Joy. I think the many of us are so lost and disillusioned that we find ourselves searching for meaning in places like this. Hoping that someone else has an understanding or a truth that resonates somewhere with us. I read a great many of the comments and while many of you may be much more well read or experienced in the word I feel you may be in the same place that I am. Still looking for a place to weigh anchor Or a shipworthy of sailing.

    • Blake H. on July 1, 2021 at 8:39 pm

      The spirit of Jezebel is actively on this Earth, taking away your hopes of finding your Proverbs 31 wife. Leaving a corrupted secular minded God deprived “woman” living for carnal needs to feed her flesh. The war for every soul rages around us. You look or follow that storm your bound to sink, Keep your eyes towards Jesus. 💜

  27. Rob on May 31, 2021 at 7:38 pm

    I recently left Pentecostalism after 25 years for Reformed theology. I have noticed reformed spend a ton of time on social media attacking the beliefs of others. They use “defending the faith once delivered” and warning about false teachers as an excuse to continually argue with and attack others who have a different understanding of the Bible. These constant arguments usually present themselves over subjects like infant baptism, free will, regeneration, loss or salvation or preservation of Saints. Often I find these arguments end up causing more harm in the body of Christ than doing good. They usually result in anger and most times end with sly smart elic remarks and name calling. I wish the church would stop fighting amongst itself. Many could learn a lesson by reading John Newtons letter on controversy. I think fighting over every minute detail of scripture is a useless and often hateful endeavor that confuses people and cast a negative light on the faith when non believers witness all the internal fighting. Don’t get me wrong. I love reformed doctrine. But what I have witnessed from reformed believers compared to 25 years of watching Pentecostal believers is appallingly different.

    • Summer gl on May 31, 2021 at 9:33 pm

      Understood.
      Also, I like to try my best to write and spell well for compréhensibilité as our writing is also a reflection on ourselves. My apologies if I have failed this in any way, but I do try to edit my work before answering.

      There’s a very good book I’d recommend for all to read by an atheist convert to Christianity who answers everyone’s concerns in this post, and not limited to:
      1) Mère Christianity
      By C.S. Lewis
      2) a more agressive version of this as a second option would be:
      « The Four Traits Of A Dynamic Catholic ». Before you say anything, you don’t need to be a Catholic to read this book. It’s for everyone and anyone that is truly interested to make a difference in our world as an authentic Christian, including folks in this world who live like Christians but don’t even know they are yet.
      Both books are equally very good and extremely enjoyable to read. Let us start cracking open those books right away to read and reread as many times as necessary.

      • Stephen Hammock on June 4, 2021 at 6:20 pm

        The mission of the church is to carry the Truth to the world, not tickle its ears.

    • Bill Smith on June 25, 2021 at 3:52 am

      Arguing is largely unproductive. It took me many decades to realize that and I still do it at times, but you are right. I believe what is written, whether it fits my experience or not. I also could argue around many of the issues you note and find many holes in the Reformed view. (Look up who Calvin really was sometime and you will see the foundation has some big challenges.)

      Though the real “problem” is that humans are involved, even redeemed ones. And Christianity will always have some echoes of the culture, whether some want to admit that or not. It would be far better if we all realized that and then confronted it in ourselves and our churches first, but few want to do that, especially the first, since it is painful to self!

  28. Summer T on May 23, 2021 at 8:21 pm

    I don’t know where to begin since there are so many issues with the current leader of our Church.
    1) Gross Negligence — ignores texts, calls, emails- 50 or more at a time…
    2) Horrible listener
    3) Evades conflict instead of mediating it effectively.
    4) Ignores your multiple attempts to communicate to him when you are too sick to go to church and need him to come to house for Annoining of Sick, Eurcharist, — and perhaps just plain social and spriritual support that someone at least listens and even cares about his flock!
    5) interrupts you when talks, cuts you off and says he has “another meeting” on a Saturday evenings.

    This is of course after you have not met with him for at least three or more months and have not even been coming to mass due to ilness.

    Does not even bother to follow up, etc.

    If and when he does answer— its very random, does not even address the problem, etc.

    • dide on May 26, 2021 at 1:59 pm

      that is nice

    • robert on May 28, 2021 at 6:08 am

      Am sorry this is happening also other believers should help each other when there sick or not sick we are a body when one hurts we all hurt we all have to get back to 2 commands love the lord GOD with all and are neighbors as ourselves

      • Summer t on May 28, 2021 at 2:03 pm

        Thank you for your helpful comments. You are right that we’ve lost our focus on how to behave like a Christian with how we treat others

      • Alan on June 2, 2021 at 1:43 pm

        If God has never been seen, heard, photographed, recorded during any times of war, sickness, life or death nor comes to the aid of anyone whatsoever. Why would anyone believe in such a thing except for blind faith. Does not it tell one something that there are 100’s of religions. That in itself tells one thing. That all of them but one are right or none are right. If a God can do this or that just because it is a God then why no appearances? A God can come on your TV or internet and introduce itself. Notice I said itself. Not He nor She because first of all if God made of his likeness then a God could not exist billions of years if anything like a human or any creature for that matter. Also if God made us in his likeness then did a pretty bad job. Just look at us. Greed, hatred, waring for the last 3400 years with only 270 years without wars. Is this what a God would wish for? God allows for all this violence towards one another with out care. Is this what everyone wants? Why? Just for a chance to believe in ever lasting life. When you are dead there is no life. Your brain function ceases to exist. Your body lay where it is buried. It goes no where for eternity. Back to dust and part of the Universe. Is there was a God it no longer exists. Who or what could be a God, entity? If no one has ever seen a God then how would one know what God’s sex would be. Be it one of shadow or spirt. If God was so powerful why would he need humans to write his words Could God not do his own writings? It appears not. God does not call on a phone, does not appear on any devices, does not stop any bullet nor human hatefulness . So what this boils down to is when you die you will never know anything whatsoever again or you will maybe, just maybe go to another realm that no one knows where it is. God is so secret that if it was a fable you would know it is not real, period. God does not care or want you to know anything. It’s against whatever the rules are to see God, know God other then what other humans propose a God should be. Then there’s that 100 + religions humans have conjured up. Okay you wish to believe, fine. It’s your right though no proof whatsoever. Like saying God is somewhere but no idea where. Good luck.

        • heather on June 19, 2021 at 7:45 pm

          Amen! I was raised in a christian household who took my child away from me because I live with my man and we aren’t married legally yet although both great kind honest people who support and love each other unconditionally. My “husband’s” family, his grown adult children condemn us because he finally found love, real love. We’ve been together 8 years.
          His first wife he was with 40 years because of religious doctrine and you know the bible thing marry one person live with them forever no matter what they do to you or how miserable they make you because if you leave them for someone that makes you happy you go to hell and burn in eternal flames.
          His son dogs me and cusses me and won’t talk to his dad because i am a w_oremonger, etc….but he is married to one woman and lives with another girlfriend with his 3 young children, on his third marriage….
          he is mad because his mom, the exwife, spreads lies and cries for the past how ever many years because he left her, when actually she packed her crud and left…and also for the 30+ years after being 130 lbs 5’9″ at their wedding she became almost 300 lbs spending most of her time in hospital because of weight associated health problems, constantly eating candy and junk food, even in the hospital against doctor recommendations…he spent all that time sitting next to her bed and she would never change any of her selfish lazy ways for him, and he’s the bad guy for moving on…seems he wasn’t important to her at all if she would disrespect his so badly. Also she lies and steals so much!!!
          But he is the a*hole because he’s with a beautiful fit woman now and he’s healthy and fit…
          i wish i could figure out how to fix this hypocrisy but i guess like you said people follow this blind faith thing, condemning people for one sentence out of a book and then refusing to apply the rest of the weird rules in the book to themselves…shouldn’t we still stone women to death for cheating or whatever if we all still followed the bible, have multiple wives, etc…i don’t get how we pick and choose and like you said if God created us in his image why is all this hatred, judgment, greed, war, etc going on…so SICK of it!!! Peace love …eat drink and be merry…be good to yourself and others isn’t that a simple enough religion…or should we go on another 3000 years killing each other in the name of what we think the name of God should be.

    • Allie on June 24, 2021 at 3:01 pm

      Typically I am against the church… And religious aspects all together. And you’ve nailed them on the head. I am here as a person of extremely different beliefs and you are a genuine person acting as God would want. Your points are valid. Your opinion is very well said and, in my opinion, more people should look to you as a morally equipped person I hope you have power to change it.

      This stands for all like minded individuals, regardless of our stance on the world. Blessed be!

  29. Willington Awungshi on May 23, 2021 at 5:54 am

    One of the worse mistake a church commits is teaching in the church (where the lost sheep are not present)and never outside it (where the lost sheep are dying).

    • Von on May 24, 2021 at 2:38 pm

      Explain further please 🤔

    • Keeping it Real on May 28, 2021 at 12:29 pm

      I know many, many. “Lost sheep” that go to church on a regular basis

  30. Stephanie Jenkins on May 12, 2021 at 8:13 am

    Some of the leaders said those of us who voted for Trump weren’t Christian. I left the church after 72 years. There were many more reasons, but I too feel like sticking to the Bible is the best strategy. It is foolish for churches to exchange the primary work of the gospel for the secondary work of doing good in the world.

  31. Anonymous on May 10, 2021 at 1:12 pm

    Well speaking of church, there are so many very horrible women that go there as well. God forbid trying to start a conversation with a woman that we think would be nice too meet for many of us single guys after the mass is over, which then they will be so very nasty and many of times they will Curse us out for no reason too. Very mentally disturbed women everywhere these days unfortunately, even in the house of God. What is that all about?

    • Lisa on June 6, 2021 at 6:30 pm

      We’re tired of being catfishes, even in church.

      • Anonymous on June 9, 2021 at 7:42 am

        Then again most women like you, really are very pathetic and total losers altogether to begin with anyway. Grow very old all alone with your cats.

  32. mr no name on April 30, 2021 at 3:11 pm

    bro are you martin luther get a life

    • Rodney Shawn Pitman on May 7, 2021 at 7:04 pm

      I constantly think that the people in my church need to change things but I hit regularly my church don’t need to change anything the power of God is making my church grow like a snowball rolling down here ever since that illiterate farm boy was gave it in plates there’s been no way to stop it this church will just keep growing nothing stops its growth that would be like trying to hold back the light stop time or of course having more power than God himself and GOG and MOG might wish they had that kind of power but they don’t little I always beats the dark and again if you doubt this go lock yourself in the dark closet better yet in the dark dome and light a match he does this on purpose the light always wins over the dark I believe that MOG and GOG know this there has to be an evil you know yin and yang there has to be an adversary so they probably know that they’re never going to win it’s just you suckers the following that are going to lose in this and fire and brimstone for eternity it’s not a game I want to lose

    • Joyce on May 16, 2021 at 7:20 am

      I don’t get the dress fashion some are bringing to church. I would not let my daughter wear her clothes so short, so tight, and so half naked even at home.

      • Unknown on August 11, 2021 at 6:15 am

        Thats a woman and a half.!Going naked and raping men and turn to say they raped you yet you are naked ..I go to church that wears long gown .The Afrian Apostolic church I like it that way .Keep it up Joyce

  33. KF on April 26, 2021 at 5:57 pm

    This is one of the most lame, incorrect, unbiblical posts ever, and peoples’ comments are not much better. You people neither understand God nor the Bible and it’s really, really sad. You choose to skew scripture according to modern, liberal views. God is just not that way. What he said from the beginning will always remain the same. I’ll stick with the Bible no matter what modernity says.

  34. Tris on April 18, 2021 at 8:56 am

    I’m sorry. Im am Athiest (Im 20) and I’ve been forced to go to church since I’ve confessed of not believing. And I’ve always gotten backlash from my mom, who is a minister.

    My reasons for despising even the thought are because the church isn’t LGBTQ+ friendly (even though they claim to be, I always hear homosexuality is a “demon” that needs “casting out”), it takes way too long, it’s boring, and people don’t care about you at all. They smile in your face, then talk about you. Also how do y’all know this “person” is real?

    And this is just a theory, god and the devil are actually switched.

    I mean think about it.
    God has killed millions, forces you to live a crappy life with no pleasure because fun is a sin, says you must worship him and that you’ll burn if you don’t, claims to be all loving but not if you don’t fit his very specific requirements, claims to be all powerful but lets atrocities happen. You can pray to him and if it works you can say it was the prayer, but if it doesn’t it’s because he “has a plan”. Just sounds like this bad guy isn’t listening.

    Satan? Well he was cast down to hell by none other than that “all loving, forgiving” god. Says you can live your life as you please as long as you don’t hurt anyone.

    God constantly tries to reassure everyone that Satan is evil. But why? He’s very hellbent on making sure you know that Satan = the bad guy.
    Kind of sounds like something the actual bad guy would do.

    And why would the bad guy punish the bad guys? Why would the option to burn in hell forever even be there if god was all loving, kind and forgiving?

    I’m not religious, to me the bible is just a book containing characters and storylines. And I believe the storylines are written by an unreliable narrator.

    • Ron on April 20, 2021 at 10:19 am

      Your anger is apparent. The first step – reach down and grab some maturity and figure out who are you really angry at. Are you angry at God, the church, society, your mother, or all of the above.
      The second step – educate yourself on the issues instead of relying on Google posts and Atheist sites to feed you information. It is apparent that you have not studied the Bible, you do not know who God, Jesus, The Holy Spirit are. You certainly do not know who Satan is, nor his demons.
      I mean think about it. Your arguments are based on your feelings – not facts. There is enough secular history written that verifies the Bible, much less the archeological data.
      God is not trying to convince you or anyone else of anything. Neither am I. The Truth, the Way, and The Life are free. Paid for.

      Go study.

      • Tris on May 7, 2021 at 9:44 am

        You don’t know me. I have studied. I don’t rely on google or any Atheist sight. So before you go criticizing someone’s knowledge think about what you say. Your kind is why I don’t believe. Y’all assume way too much about someone based on what they say or believe instead of asking questions.

        • Albert John Ciafre on May 8, 2021 at 6:19 am

          I’ll tell you right off the bat if your church is accepting of the lgbtq community and is in support of it than you are we’re going to a Church of Satan. The Bible in phatic Lee says a relationship is between a man and a woman. Anything after that and you’re just making your own religion. Christianity is not even a religion. It means to walk with Christ. We have relationships with their parents should we should have a relationship with the Lord we don’t have religions with our parents.

        • Tate on May 21, 2021 at 8:22 am

          When you stand before God someday, do you think He will let you slide by with “well, it’s because of someone else that I didn’t believe You”? No, which is why God sent Jesus. Study Jesus, stop studying the flawed human beings that are in every church. Do you think you will ever find a church to your liking, given your too-high standards of morality? Don’t hide behind excuses, keep studying. You obviously haven’t studied enough, but have any of us studied enough? The Word is a living, breathing testimony to mankind’s proclivity to justify everything he/she does. For example, Jesus denied any relationship outside of a man and a woman for life. He didn’t have to strictly condemn LGBTQ+ because we seem to be inventing infinite definitions of gender, sex, and biology. What we need to look at is what Jesus said about marriage. If you don’t like it, take it up with Him. I agree that the Church overall has a very bad practice of qualifying sin, and while I believe that sexual sin is in a category by itself ONLY in consequence, sin is sin and any breaking of God’s law is to break all of it. Christians, as well as Atheists, need to understand that.

        • summer Glau on May 23, 2021 at 8:33 pm

          I totally understand your anger and feelings of rejection. All the poeple in your life seem to be false Prophets. There is this online study at Loyola Marymount University– two different Bible Groups that give you credit for studying both New and Old Testaments and the various books in it.

          While I cannot say that any church group, including LMU, is free of all hypocricy, it is always good to seek out TRUTH in scripture.

          I am one of those lifelong who have questioned God and Curch Teaching while studing fervently the Word, doing my best to give to the maginalized and sick in our world. It is okay as well, contrary, to what most falsely teach in the Church that you cannot be angry with God.
          If and when you choose to study, just like studying to be good in a sport or get your degree in something, you will find that most in the church, inclduing leaders, are the false teachers of God.
          You will find more consolation in the True Saints and prophets of God and who have been angry with God. They had a very close relationship with God and God can take it.
          The Diary of St. Faustina is one
          Saint Teresa of Avila
          So many— follow those authentic Saints, while abandoning the hypocricy int the Church.
          “Pay no Attention too human opinion” St. Faustina

      • Donna Ayala on May 15, 2021 at 3:55 pm

        Yes Amen, you said everything I wanted to say many have tried to prove the bible wrong and gotten saved cause there is so much proof.

      • Peter Busch on May 16, 2021 at 6:02 pm

        You need a reality check as what Tris wrote came from his/her life experience, people like you are the very cause of that life experience. Many of us have had a hell experience of people who praise the Lord yet do evil and the churches are full of these evil people, my own experience I sent a large amount of money to pay for the hospital care of my sister which was stolen by a church pastor and his wife to but Bitcoins my sister died while this evil bastard was preaching at the pulpit and the sick part of this evil is the church has done nothing to stop this evil

      • Keeping it Real on May 28, 2021 at 7:52 am

        Ron, nor do you have”facts ” backing up your beliefs. The fact is that the bible was handed down orally for generations, then written by men from eastern countries and translated how many times into how many languages? Reminds me of the story of Santa Clause – based on a real man, but obviously bastardized over many, many years until now we have a man that flys around the world delivering presents to all the people in one night. And we all know as adults that that it is just a sweet, fun and loving fantasy. No reason not to follow the teachings of Jesus though – he was kind, loving and forgiving, as we all should be towards one another.

    • Mort on April 22, 2021 at 11:44 pm

      Read The Hero’s Journey, from Joseph Campbell.

      Run. Don’t walk. Order it online this very moment, same day delivery.

    • The Occult, The Unseen on April 23, 2021 at 12:00 am

      Tris.

      Trust your gut.

      Belief has never had anything to do with anything. Belief is for kids. Adults who still believe are stuck, and delusional. Children are told what to think.

      Part the veil, learn to see. Go through your initiations as they are presented, as they manifest. They are unique for everyone, they are what tease us into experiencing the infinite, rather than the christian error of believing spirit and matter are somehow separate (see jesus). The alternative is to turn life’s poetry into deadened prose, lose your imagination, be rendered impotent, and wait for a gaseous vertebrate.

    • Sara on May 7, 2021 at 9:30 am

      Exactly!!! Christianity is toxic.

      • Tris on May 7, 2021 at 9:46 am

        Very

  35. Marty on April 6, 2021 at 10:12 am

    I agree with everything you said Carey! In fact, I have had many conversations with my young adult children about these exact issues. You nailed it!

    • Allison on April 20, 2021 at 6:25 pm

      Love the article, thank you for this!

  36. Guest on March 31, 2021 at 5:54 pm

    In church they always cater to the married people, and they never care for many of us single people at all. What in the world did we do wrong anyway. Feminism is much worse than cancer now that is caused by women, for which there is no cure. Very impossible to meet a half way decent normal woman anymore these days for many of us good single men really looking.

    • Sandy on April 6, 2021 at 4:06 am

      Something else Christians need to stop doing, is calling other Christians (as well as non Christians) idiots and other disparaging words.

      I notice the word “idiot” occasionally coming from the pulpit of a well known televangelist, as well as from another Christian, known for memorizing and acting out full Bible books on stage.

      I find this kind of behavior disturbing and morally wrong. I’m ashamed to say it, but I’ve been guilty of this myself in the past.

      • Sandy on May 5, 2021 at 1:32 am

        Another thing I wish churches and church people would put an end to are cliques. I am shy by nature; always have been, and for a place that is supposed to be warm and welcoming, cliques have a way of making a person feel very isolated.

        Cliques don’t belong in schools and they certainly don’t belong in church.

    • Allison on April 20, 2021 at 6:29 pm

      Not all churches, I love my church as a single person. Agree on the difficulty finding other single people in the church who are both serious about their faith and a good match, although it’s not all on us women 😉 good luck to you!

  37. Caro del Castillo on March 29, 2021 at 2:25 am

    I hope not too many just got fooled about not judging. Far too many verses on Brother and Sisters in Christ called to judge in the same Bible being used here on this page.

    Sampson was a judge, and he would not have let you tell him otherwise if you ran up to him and demanded that he stop judging also. Imagine all of that crime and sin that would have continued if he didn’t wipe so many out. So glad it is ok to judge, else, we wouldn’t have judges. If judging was so terrible, then the Bible would not talk about the tribes being ruled by judges and it was a better system than having a king.

    I’ll just drop some helpful verses here for your convenience but there are many more calling us to judge. I hope not too many weak-minded Christians get tricked into thinking they are not to judge.

    Paul reproves the believers for their lack of judgment. “I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? No, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?” The apostle indicates that a wise man will judge.

    John 7:24 “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.”
    Matthew 7:16 “You will recognize them by their fruits…” = judging their works
    Luke 17:3 “Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him.” Rebuking someone will require judging, no guessing, no estimating, no bandwagoning, but judging.
    Matthew 18:15-17 “If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. 16 But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every fact may be confirmed. = Showing someone their sins means you judged their works, and brought it to their attention.

    1 Corinthians 6:5, Paul later tells Christians they are shameful for not being wise enough to judge each other. Forcing believers to take matters into the hands of infidels.
    …4So if you need to settle everyday matters, do you appoint as judges those of no standing in the church? 5I say this to your shame. Is there really no one among you wise enough to arbitrate between his brothers? 6Instead, one brother goes to law against another, and this in front of unbelievers!…

    In Leviticus 19:15, Moses writes “…But in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbor.” Here is another one of the numerous verses directing judgment.

    “When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. (Ezekiel. 3:18-19)

    It is easy to find Scriptures that command Christians to pass judgment. Six times, in his first letter to the Corinthians, the Apostle Paul instructs believers to judge, and twice he rebukes them for not judging. “But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.” (1 Corinthians 2:15)

    This page is old, and it still says not to judge. I almost shudder at how many weak Christians got bamboozled into not picking up the Bible and reproving what was just mistakenly posted here.

    • Ron on May 4, 2021 at 7:35 am

      ON POINT!!!!!!!

      • P. Evans on June 6, 2021 at 2:09 pm

        Spot on. We cannot JUDGE anyone’s eternal destiny, But we MUST discern between good (Biblical) behavior and bad every day. It’s called discernment.

    • Bob on May 7, 2021 at 9:37 am

      So you eat Jesus?
      You think it’s fine for a god to tell a follower to kill their own son to prove their love for their god? Doesn’t seem a bit psycho?
      How can a god who knows all screw up so much that he has destroy and murder everyone except Noah and his family and all the animals on the earth? Really? Seriously? But, he’s god so he would have known that was going to happen so he could have avoided it all together. When he supposedly created humans, he would have known they were going to disobey his almighty ass, so why not skip the tree? It’s nonsense. A work of fiction. And if you believe this as nonfiction….maybe get checked out .

      • Celeste Vance on May 7, 2021 at 9:39 pm

        God wanted free will in humans. But that aside, what do you believe that’s any better??? Who do you turn to when things get bad? Yourself? How’s that working out for you? It doesn’t work for me. And Carey, I think it’s nice that you allow anybody to say how they feel on here, but sometimes, it’s a little much. Apparently, they’re not going to believe no matter what we do or say. It’s actually depressing to read some of what they actually believe, and well, I don’t like being depressed. lol And they actually trust you enough to leave their name and email. SMH!

  38. GODFREY on March 18, 2021 at 9:08 pm

    I have read every post hear carefully and I want to thank Carey. In my life I find some information sweet to hear than eating a sweet food especially if that information touches somewhere in my heart that I always think is another me. Let me drop my email so you help know who God is and what exactly am supposed to do; godfreyoduor9@gmail.com
    1. Being a Christian, a Muslim,a Judaism and others will not set things right in this world, except knowing Who is God and what exactly you are supposed to do so that you don’t harm nature and your sorrounding. Am saying this with reasons I see and you have also seen around you.
    Ia) Who in this world expect food from sky, falling everyday as your work is to eat, everyone in the world work or have worked for kids to get food available regardless of color, religion or continent. What everyone have seen around them is a lazy man crying for help and hard-working eat well. I loved it when someone said God is God of order.
    2. Sometimes I ask myself what sin is and what evil is. All modern church threaten human race with eternal fire, and they associate natural phenomenal like earthquake with purnishment from God. Such pastors are lost, no wonder they tell us what they cant do, you and I included. All human being has a characteristics of sin in him from creation eg jealous,lies and others, how you apply them amounts to being evil or rightous. Abraham lied to the King that Sarah was a sister, which made him escape death. He sinned? Sin is creation from God and sometimes they serve as opportunity. However how murder is sinfull, all murders are not sin. A mother has to abort when a child is implanted in oviduct other than uterus, other do it because they don’t want a baby yet having in mind sex may lead to conceiving, so who knows why someone has done something? I have realized somethings however how much you explain to fellow human, they won’t understand. Only God knows everyone so let him alone be the JUDGE.
    2a). Religion makes us confuse between what is right thing from doing right thing. From my statement above, In Christianity we say “God is good all the time and all the time God is good”, My friends, do bad thing knowingly and expect God to be good at you, never.
    2b) Problem with human is fear of being challenged. THEY WILL SAY, FROM WHICH VERSE ARE YOU SPEAKING FROM, QUOTE THE VERSE. That is the problem, TRUELY, not all good things are written in the Bible or Quran, some of which are latest like phones and cameras and computers which we use everyday, but is everyone using them the right way?No, every right and wrong is in every man’s heart. To share a story, In the Bible, Paul adviced that a little wine is good for the stomach, other verses call it foolishness. What then? All are true actually, so don’t go reminding people how sinfull it is from taking wine,. A little for you is not little for him, and what is little by the way? The truth is in the Bible but how and when and why you teach it may confuse than fuse together.
    3. Judgement. Every human being and their faith believe in judgement, personally I have realized that we take judgement too far from as to the day Christ will fall back. I see everyday around me in every second judgement taking place in the entire race to those who oppressed others in all kinds. Crying seven times than those who cried because of them. I asked about it and I was told, there is second judgement, about what?
    4. Things might have gone wrong than we may think of it. Initially Christ was betrayed by elders of the church and caused him death. The poor, the drankers and etc loved Christ most why, because Christ was telling tax collectors not to take more than recommended, not to stone the so called prostitutes why, all humans have these habits even when alone with your bed sheets, who sees, God. My point was Christ died and left those bad prominent people who have the power to kill, change scripture and influence others, so the current Bible might be lacking more touchi the bad prominent Guy. Reason is Even Christians have bilbles that lack some books that others have why? Because your Prominent Father K told you it is not useful. To him or to you?
    My point guys and why I want you to challenge me by sending me emails.
    I was tired and almost failed in concentration because it was like every minute Jesus is coming back. Every phenomenal is linked with Jesus’ comeback.
    5. Jesus will come back like a thief; Wow wonderful. I was amazed by trying to understand this. A thief comes when he is least expected, takes a way when the owner is not expecting anything like that. And definitely a serious thief may go unidentified for the rest of ones life. It has been quite long waiting the long gone thief.
    6. How do we help each other then. I have seen Muslim help fellow Muslim, a Christian help fellow Christians and even a cross. Then that is the way of life,in simple love your neighbor as you love yourself, Who is a neighbor then? A neighbor is that person who helps you identify how little Paul’s wine was, so that it remains good for stomach. Email me your understanding.

  39. Cindy Mac on February 22, 2021 at 4:55 pm

    Thank you for this and while I agree with most of what you said, I cannot agree with the part about politics. If you look at old sermons from the 1800’s, you see that the pastors were preaching about what was going on in our nation and what God said about it. If the church would do it’s job, our country would be in much better shape. Instead, they (most) sit on the fence because they don’t want to upset anyone. Well, guess what? We are on the brink of ruin because “we don’t want to upset anyone.”

    • Clifford Rhymes on February 28, 2021 at 1:13 am

      It appears you missed the point. The writer is not saying dont talk on politics at all. And the people in the 1800’s you are talking about did not support party or leaders as if they were pastors like we do today; they told the truth of God’s word and you could not tell if they were Republican, Democrat, or Independent. Which is what the writer is saying wee should do.

      But you seem to think the writer is saying stay out of politics. He means dont get entangled in it.

    • Beth Law on March 12, 2021 at 9:48 am

      I was thinking the same exact thing about the political comment. Oof-way off. Yes, God is God and our job as Christ followers is to share the gospel first and foremost. We can’t fix the evils in this world. But the church has been paralyzed for too many years with fear, rejection, and not wanting to be mocked or weird that we haven’t stood up for what’s biblically right or commanded of us. We don’t need to have a liberal or conservative agenda….but christians SHOULD be very involved in politics because you know what happened when we weren’t, when we turned a blind eye to the bills which become the laws, etc???? Sin was normalized and shoved down out throats as acceptable, and anyone who disagrees with abortion, transgenderism, pedophilia, sex trafficking or any of the other horrors happening right under our noses has been labeled as intolerant and dangerous to progression. The church doesn’t need to progression-we are not in competition with the world. The church needs to point its people back to the cross and dig our heals in with a firm resolve to love others while still standing out for what is biblically wrong. Instead, our passivity has led to them teaching our pre-school children sexual awareness and 4yo’s being encouraged to choose their gender.

      • Cindy Diez on May 17, 2021 at 5:48 pm

        That is so true. I talk about politics on line. People need to be informed about the evil that is taking over the nation. They need to be educated and stand up for what is right.

    • Angie Soo on April 19, 2021 at 4:22 am

      I agree

  40. Christopher on February 5, 2021 at 11:01 pm

    What I’d like to see? More education in churches about mental health. I’ve about given up telling other Christians that I am bipolar. Some of them confuse it with bisexual(good grief!) and others think I’m stupid or have a screw loose(my IQ is in the 140s). Perhaps this is why I signed up-twice-for a small group in my church and never heard back in two years. I finally gave up.
    And less favoritism would help too. We have a worship leader who was hired because he was once a member and “everybody loves ‘K.'” Well, he’s now boring people to tears with skinny jeans blended worship. And despite scandal after scandal, he’s heedlessly ploughing on with Hillsong. The church recently ended its online services-don’t know if this is because COVID-19 is winding down or because the audience is dwinding.
    At any rate after 24 years, I’m throwing in the towel like my children and my late wife did and looking for another church.

    • Kristin on February 22, 2021 at 1:35 pm

      Same. I’ve been told I have demons since I’m Bipolar. I’ve been told I need to repent. All my church has done about mental illness is post something about Depression. Even that they gave scripture to suggest you have a choice to get out of it just by praying and being in a better headspace. I offered to help with the youth group. I told the youth pastor up front I had Bipolar Disorder in case there were times I would not be able to be there. I was told he would feel more comfortable if I got into a small group to work on myself first. I have also tried and failed to get into a small group. I have offered to serve in multiple places and been ignored. I left the Baptist church for a few reasons, but I miss the structure. It was so much easier to connect with a group.
      I also wish the church did a better job of teaching how to do things and not just telling you to do them or not do them. Example: Respect your husband. Love your wife. Not all of us grew up in a two parent household where this was modeled. I wish they would tell you what that looks like and give examples. The writer of this article did a good job of that. Not just saying “don’t be weird” but giving examples of this weirdness. I wish churches did that too.

    • Angie Soo on April 19, 2021 at 4:24 am

      I get it. I had the same experience. SAD.

      • Plumber on April 23, 2021 at 12:05 am

        Would you expect anything less from a cult? Seriously.

  41. jane on January 2, 2021 at 3:21 am

    I jolly well wish they would ASK their own congregation for honest and possibly anonymous feedback, as in, what have we got wrong this year? It’s very easy for me to sound off on here, and tell YOU the things that they have done wrong. I’m sharing because the invitation was given. And hey, it might help someone else’s congregation.

    Personally, I’m not convinced that any of their stupid attitudes would change. Their problem is their insensitivity to things like:

    1. Physical handicap (and making a big fuss out of bringing out wheelchairs). I am partially handicapped – it isn’t visible – and I had discreetly mentioned that I cannot do certain things (hold hot dishes, chop food, open cans easily – this was met with……..MIRTH. I mean, really!!! From educated people???
    2. Their inability to understand basics – making a fuss out of Mother’s Day when some people cannot be mothers (or fathers!)
    3. Downright dishonesty as in……if you make food for the homeless, lunch will be provided. It wasn’t and when I called them out on this, nothing changed. They were, however, able to provide lunch for the clergy. Infuriating.
    3a – Providing a Christmas meal for the clergy and putting photos on facebook. I kid you not.
    4. Treating single women differently to married women. Oh, how I love reading “coffee and snacks will be provided for your husbands and wives and children after the service”. Insensitive and rude. Well, can you imagine “coffee and snacks will be provided for the childless, gays, LGBTs and singles after the service????” Or aren’t we ALL part of the congregation????
    5. Bible classes are open to everyone. However, when as a single woman I asked to go, I was told that the class was full. However, they continued to advertise. Married women were, of course, given a place. Does that make me feel good and welcome? No.
    6. I had wanted to offer flowers to the church in aid of cancer with a positive message. Here is the answer I got. “We can only accept your flowers if a marriage (sic) is not planned in the meantime, in which case they will have their own flowers. Darn it. I gave the flower money directly to a cancer concern association. I also told them that this was insensitive and rude. Did it help them rethink? Nope.

    There are only so many times you can tell people. I now don’t bother and leave them to their married congregation.

    • Real Person on January 30, 2021 at 11:43 am

      Single women ARE different from married women. As a woman,if you’re not married and raising a family, what good are you to society? It’s not the church that’s stupid, it’s you and the author. LGBTQ is an abomination in the eyes of God, sorry to break it to you. You want to be a fake Christian you should find a fake “progressive” church. Then you can worship Satan with the rest of the gays

      • Dean on March 6, 2021 at 10:44 am

        Wow that was extremely rough and very unChrist like Real Person. Not sure which Bible you’re reading Real Person, but it certainly isn’t from above… I would love for you to back what you’re saying with scripture so it might make a little more sense of the point you’re trying to convey, rather than emotionalism which seems to be rampant these days. Maybe check Galatians 5:22-23 and meditate on it for a month or so, and then repost your response. 22 “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self control; against such things there is no law.” Just a thought my confessing Christian friend.

        • Angela on May 4, 2021 at 4:36 am

          Oooh Real Person, the anonymity of the internet is often used to tear others down and state blatent un Christlike lies. Carey is right about not saying online what you wouldn’t say in person. And I doubt very much that you would say these things in person.

      • Ashamed on March 18, 2021 at 10:03 pm

        Im going to hope that you are being a “fake Real Person” saying some back wood believing stuff like that. If you and your congregation continue to believe like that, Im sure your doors will not remain open for another 10 years

    • Celeste Vance on March 26, 2021 at 11:46 am

      What church do you belong to??? None of the churches I’ve been part of acted like this! I’m single too, and unless you’re a young adult, it can make you feel out of place. However, I don’t think any of it is intentional! We need to have an older singles group. lol

  42. Disillusioned on December 19, 2020 at 4:02 am

    I am one of the millennials that doesn’t go to or take my son to church. Or even teach anything about church, I won’t play the music for him. I come from a Mormon and jehovah witness background. I agree with political one. Ever since the churches started backing trump I have found that instead of wanting to go to church or take my son even to play with other kids. I don’t even care if he could get lifelong friends there or quote on quote learn about morals. I instead have begun to hate the church scene as being as evil and as much of a joke as trump. I don’t let my son know anything because it feels like church is all about ignorance, stupidity, and hate. It also feels like small-mindedness. Even the anti abortion stance feels like a lie to me. You want to quote on quote save all life before it’s born, but once it all you guys do is judge, hate and try to control everyone, like with the masks . It seems like once we are born you don’t care especially this year if you or your perceived new god trump kills anybody with stupidity. And it seems like church is just another to brainwash for trump and destroy families from within. I am sad to see church go from being heaven to literal hell. Not to mention, it seems like the church has changed from love your neighbor as yourself to love your neighbor as long as they are the same as you. Why should I come back to or come to church? Why do you guys follow but worship a supposed savior who is stupid he calls kkk fine people? Don’t you know the table about the swan who landed with geese not knowing the geese were pissing off the farmer and the first time the swan landed it or killed with geese while the farmer was saying sorry but you were the geese so just as guilty or lie with dirty dogs and wake up with fleas.

    • La Rae M Green on December 27, 2020 at 6:39 am

      Are you saying that God called the KKK fine people? If so can you make me aware of where that is so I too am informed on this please. And are you implying that at one time you were a professing Christian and you did go to church or believe in the Holy Bible but you no longer do or am I misreading into this regarding that? As far as the Church backing Trump, I guess it depends on to what degree we are talking about, are Christians getting too politically involved regarding Trump? Are they too focused on voicing their opinions about Trump is that what you are saying? Are they arguementive on social media regarding Trump and standing up for him too much or defending him too much? I ask out of genuine interest of what exactly you mean by some of your statements. As a Christian I can not see any Christian NOT voting for Trump over the other option being a Democrat. As Christians I do not think we should ever vote Democrat. We would then be saying we are okay with what they stand for. Democrats stand for things that is clearly against the Word of God. We can not support that nor should we overlook what a Democrat stands for. A Democrat can say they are going to do amazing things for our Country and they may do those things, God can use anyone He wills to do so. He spoke through a JackAss in the Bible why not a Democrat? And I am not trying to be judgemental about Democrats, I am righteously judging what they say they stand for. I do not, as a Christian want someone who willingly states that they stand for abortion or same sex marriages or that approves of things the Bible is clearly against. Would you? If you stood strongly for something you would you vote for someone who strongly stood for it? And I ask this out of love and inquiring to understand your post better out of love. I am in no way trying to provoke an arguement but trying to understand each other better and I hope I was able to help you understand what and why I as a Christian have these concerns.

      • Shelley on January 9, 2021 at 2:27 am

        I’m so sad you are the one that replied to the person before you! You absolutely confirmed their why they have such strong feelings against the church and Christians! Once again a Christian being the judge, if they don’t agree w you on political views or the couple of sins that you want to point out. This article stated the fact that God is not a Republican or Democrat! I know plenty of great Christian people on both sides of the parties. You are absolutely wrong on your political statements that “all” have certain views Absolutely incorrect ! I’m so sorry that you could not respond in Love as Christ would and I will apologize for you and state that all Christians are not like you Thank goodness!
        God Bless

        • Cindy Diez on May 17, 2021 at 5:54 pm

          True, God is not Democrat or Republican. However, in my opinion, if you are for abortion and claim to be a christian,,,,,,well you can’t be both. We are God’s creation. So forth and so on. The actions time and time again taken by mainly Democrats go against the bible.

      • Kristina Leigh Harman on January 13, 2021 at 4:49 pm

        I wonder if you even read this article. Did you miss the part where the minister said GOD IS NOT A REPUBLICAN OR A DEMOCRAT? Who are you to judge homosexuality? Jesus never mentions it in the Gospel. Trump has bragged about having multiple sex partners and says horrible things on television about women’s bodies. According to the Bible, those things are sexually sinful. They’re no different than homosexuality, according to your philosophy. The only time homosexuality is mentioned in the Bible is in Romans and Leviticus. Did you know that directly after it says no man shall lie with another man, it says you can’t have shellfish. It says men can’t shave their beards. It says you can’t wear mixed fabrics. Nor can you eat pork, touch the skin of a pig (hey all you football fans!) So, no, you’re not asking the person who responded these things out of love nor do you have the right to say that anyone who votes democrat could not be Christian. Traditional Democratic philosophy has a lot of Christ-like qualities: anti-racism, helping the poor rather than the rich (it’s hard to get a camel through the eye of a needle than a rich man into heaven), supporting communities…Christ preached on a rock with no shoes in dirty clothes. Do you truly believe he would have stood at a Trump rally clapping as Trump called his opponents names, bragged that he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and still get elected, admitted that he never asked God for forgiveness because he doesn’t think he sins or has done anything to warrant forgiveness, speaks about other cultures in the most hateful, horrible way, and calls Nazis “very fine people”. Jesus was a Jew. Trump is the antithesis of Christ-like. I suppose I’m judging him at this moment and for that I will ask for forgiveness. But his words and actions are not merciful, forgiving, loving, or kind. And from what the world has witnessed this week, the ramifications of that have been devastating. God is not a Republican. Religion and politics are separate and should remain that way. You seem to care about abortion and homosexuality and ignore some of the most tragic sins—like lying, cruelty, blasphemy. It’s no wonder the person before you doesn’t want to go to church anymore. It’s no wonder most of the world doesn’t want to go anymore. So many people preach about abortion and happily support the death penalty. You can’t have it both ways. God doesn’t prefer America to other countries. He doesn’t want children ripped from their families. You’re clueless, truly. And the ignorance you continue to perpetuate online does far more harm to the church than good. You don’t speak for God, THANK THE LORD. And you don’t know what He wants. So, maybe it’s time to pick up that Bible and do some real reading. Being a Christian is about working on yourself, not judging other people, and loving the Lord. Somehow you’ve turned it into being a Republican and pointing out other people’s sins. That is the exact opposite from what Christ teaches in the gospel. I mean, you couldn’t be any further from His teachings. I’m sorry you’re filled with so much hate and anger but I will pray for you. I hope you find Jesus. Because whatever Lord you’re speaking about isn’t the one true God and He certainly wouldn’t prefer one political affiliation to another. Neither one is right. If they were, they would have fixed the country’s problems by now. Just look at the mess Trump’s gotten us into. And by the way, if you check the statistics lady, there are more abortions in countries where it’s illegal than in those where it’s legal. So stop fighting the government on abortion. It’s never going to change. Even the most conservative Supreme Court justices have ruled on that. If you want to stop abortions, reach out to people with KINDNESS AND LOVE and offer them hope and another way out.

        • Leeb on March 3, 2021 at 7:41 pm

          I agree that we are not to judge others but the Bible is clear. Jesus fulfilled the law. The law was all of the rules/ laws that the Israelites had to follow. We are not under the law any longer because Jesus went to the cross so those laws don’t apply ( eating shellfish, using certain dishes, etc). It clearly says in the Bible that we are redeemed from the curse of the law and we are no longer under the law ( Galations 3:13). However, in the New Testament the commands on sexuality are still there- Romans 1:26, Corinthians 6:9 . So they are still in effect. Also, God said I knit you together in your mother’s womb so I am not sure how any Christian can support abortion. Yes, lying and stealing are sins also. I try very hard to avoid sinning and it’s difficult at times ( white lies, taking offense) but I think following the Bible is the best way to ensure eternity with Jesus. This life is short. God Bless.

          • Dean on March 6, 2021 at 11:01 am

            Very well stated Leeb! God bless your gentleness and kindness as well as your biblical understanding. Thank you for using Scripture within it’s context which many neglect to do and merely post opinions and emotions without biblical and historical understanding. Truth is truth. God bless you.



          • P. Evans on June 6, 2021 at 2:23 pm

            Well said, Leeb. We make judgements about life every day!! It is called discernment. We are admonished to be prudent and wise, and most of all to “judge” according to God’s Holy Word, the ultimate authority. The one thing I cannot do is judge whether any soul will end up in Heaven or hell; Christ will do that, and He alone. Roman Chapter one tells us that unbelievers have always declared wrong to be right, and encouraged others to do so!! A great example is gay “pride” parades. As Shakespeare said, “Me thinks thou doth protest too much!” If they can convince everyone it is ok , their repressed guilt will disappear. This is just one example, and by the way, my best friend died of AIDS at the age of 38. I loved him and never condemned him, nor did he attempt to convince me his behavior was perfectly “Christian.” We all have sin, and the Bible does NOT rank them.



        • Dean on March 6, 2021 at 11:21 am

          Dear Kristina. I’m not sure which Bible you read, but as I read your post, I see none of the fruit of the Spirit stated in Galatians 5:22-23 present in any of it… 22”But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self control; against such things there is no law.” You make the claim to be a Christian it seems, yet treat other brothers and or sisters on here with such contempt and unkindness. Are you born again? Truly? 2 Corinthians 13:5 is my recommended read for you. 5” Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves that Jesus Christ is in you?— unless you fail to meet the test!”
          I pray God’s grace upon you and that you’d heed what’s been written in love and concern for your soul. Blessings.

          • SoSadForYou on March 18, 2021 at 10:17 pm

            I REALLY dont think you know what you are talking about. Did you read what she was replying to?



      • Mike Blatson on March 3, 2021 at 2:50 pm

        I currently go to a Baptist Church. I am physically dissabled. No matter what my trouble they insist I go to Bible study and all other events.
        They get upset with people who do not like think or feel like them, meaning my faith is not strong. Since I stopped going they kind of shunned me.
        I’m finally feeling better not going and still feel guilty for missing church.
        I’ve always had ADHD and serious social anexiety dissorder. This is what upsets me since they assume they know more than earthly doctors. PS what should I do?

      • Bill on March 11, 2021 at 2:19 pm

        Proof christians are all bad by association.

        • P. Evans on June 6, 2021 at 2:30 pm

          So the only “good” people are non-Christians? I go to church to learn about God and sing His praises. I spend FAR MORE time reading/studying the Bible. ALL have sinned and fallen short! If you had cancer, would you stop treatment because the Doctor wasn’t to your liking, and just give up and die? At age 70, I have known many good, even saintly Christians. But even the most Holy human would not keep me coming back; Christ’s incomprehensible sacrifice does that.

    • Real Person on January 30, 2021 at 11:49 am

      Single women ARE different from married women. As a woman,if you’re not married and raising a family, what good are you to society? It’s not the church that’s stupid, it’s you and the author. LGBTQ is an abomination in the eyes of God, sorry to break it to you. You want to be a fake Christian you should find a fake “progressive” church. Then you can worship Satan with the rest of the gays

    • Real Person on January 30, 2021 at 12:05 pm

      Wow you’re brainwashed! Everything President Trump said about those nasty disgusting women was true. If you’re a woman and you’re fat, or otherwise disgusting, then you are a failure as a female. All you have to do is look good, bear and raise children, be a submissive helper to your husband, and keep a good home environment. If you’re not doing that, you’re a biological failure. You obviously weren’t following God before anyway since you seem to be a single mother. The Bible also clearly states that a woman shall not teach or speak in the church, but to ask her male superior for direction and interpretation of the scriptures. So God has said that the scriptures and meaning is to complex for the female brain to interpret, which you are proving to be absolutely true. Stop abusing your son, and take him somewhere he can learn morality, bc it’s obviously not from you.
      P.S. – Where is his father?

      • H. H on March 1, 2021 at 3:40 pm

        Your comment, “where is the father” is disrespectful and cruel. My dad died when I was 2 and my mother never brought another man in the house. She raised my sister and me in the church and we turned out just fine. I believe in Christ and have raised my children the same way. I am a single mother because my husband left us. I never brought another man in the house and I raised 3 respectful, giving children with the strength and love of the Lord. Everything is not always black and white. Be Blessed.

  43. Staple on September 22, 2020 at 10:22 am

    Enjoyed this article immensely. The part about politics and the criticism regarding the point is interesting and provocative. The very argument of it is politically based however, what I mean by saying that is Jesus’ existence was inescapably political, however this does not mean that He himself was political, had political agendas or had ambitions to be politically heard.

    Isa 9:6 “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace”. It is important to note that the word “government” in this prophetic scripture of Isaiah, is the Hebrew word used for “empire; government” but before people think that means Jesus was political OR that He took a place in politics, they should think again. Jesus was not political; his ministry debunked all politics and in such, the political structures (including religious structures) of that time reacted in their flesh to secure their positions of power and influence. They attacked Jesus in every manner of political fashion however, He did not succumb to the bait, He was perfect in all things, and is perfect in all things even now.

    The truth of the matter is God is God, he is not so small so as to be encapsulated or restrained into governments created by human beings. His dominion IS the government of ALL things and to think that He is anything otherwise is to be in error. Jesus is not political, and in the context used in this article, is seems to me that the point is presented as “Jesus is Jesus – period” and I agree with you 100% on that point. The Bible is not political, the Bible is God’s holy word, and it transcends all things including politics, and our opinions, our understandings, our emotions and our thoughts; for it is beyond our capacity to know God in His fullness; His ways ARE past finding out, and nobody can dispute that fact. We are mere human beings and all we can do is to surrender our lives daily to the will of God, and walk in obedience of what we know of Him, abiding in Him, growing in Him, learning of Him, confessing and repenting of our sin and putting our faith and hope in Him that He will be faithful to complete the work HE began in us. We are nothing special outside of Jesus. We are as much the sinner as the next person. We are not better for our politics, though we take a stand in our faith values, and this is good and often the stand is righteous in nature however, we are not more Christian if we do one thing or another. People are either Christian or not; politics has nothing to do with it. Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. ”

    Therefore, I would lovingly warn to anyone reading this, that to diminish God or His word into anything less than Holy and Infallible, or to say that its theme is political (drawing away from the fact that the Bible is about our God, Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit and the the salvation that can be found in Him) is to be in sin. The Bible is God’s Holy word, and in such if we reduce it down to politics then we reduce Him down from God Almighty into a political figurehead; and in essence we replace Almighty God, in all of His attributes, with an idol of our own creation; that level of worship is idolatry and and arguably hinges on blasphemy, and requires immediate repentance.

    God is not political; politics by definition is: “the activities associated with the governance of a country or other area, especially the debate or conflict among individuals or parties having or hoping to achieve power”. God has no need to achieve power, He is God and I think your point on this subject in this article, was that Christians ought to stop trying to be God in the way of telling people how they must think politically in order to be Christian. I think your point was more along the lines of: rather than beating people over the head with our political opinions and putting it under the banner of godliness, we ought to provide the Word of truth and let Jesus do the work inside their hearts. We can give the truth and let the truth speak. We can teach Proverbs 6:16-19, and let the Holy Spirit work out the conviction on “shedding innocent blood” and the correlation to abortion, Is not Isa 55 :6- 11 a truth?

    And lastly, when Jesus said “whosoever” in John 3:16, I believe it still means “whosoever”. I trust that our Lord is big enough to do His will and to His work in every heart of a believer where once they walked in darkness and now they walk in light, and the intrinsic values that develop in the believer will cause them to have biblically aligned politics. We do not need to tell people what they need to believe politically to be a Christian, other than to say you must believe in Jesus Christ and when the church places a weighted value on politics of ANY kind and it begins to preach political opinion over the gospel, what it needs to know is that it is ostracizing the lost and in some manner this contradicts the words of salvation that Jesus used: “whosoever”. Just imagine if the “whosoever” approach presented to you was replaced with something else, where would you be? And that’s what we really need to consider.

    Glad you put this article to print, it was quite provocative and shares a lot of truths.

  44. Deborah Adams on September 12, 2020 at 10:07 pm

    I think Jesus says it best in Revelation:

    I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.” (Rev 3: 15-17)

  45. S.K on August 29, 2020 at 5:10 pm

    We all know Jesus is the body of the church, In revelations (Revelation 2-3)., and the Church of Philadelphia is in what is known to day as Turkey.So don’t get excited it is not in america.Jesus is not in the churches any more, nor is G-D,Because of Timothy 2, verses 12, 13.America is known as the whore of Babylon, mother country, England every one but the immigrants are descendants of the British. So is Australia my country, but these people were only 8000 starving convicts over King James British militia.G-D was with these people every step of the way.What you recon G-D thinks of america now,homosexuals preaching in churches telling your children it is alright to be gay, it is their choice,Sodom and Gomorrah all over again,I was just wondering what all your ancestors would say if they came for a visit from the dead and see what you have done to what they lived and died for.Murdering innocent old people to test the reconstructed Spanish flu just to bring up the stock market with masks over priced name brand toilet paper, bleach ext, and lets not forget the NEW WORLD ORDER and the mark of the beast,and all the child killers, rapists being let out of the prisons, police departments being cut down,go ahead bring it all about during your children’s life time, put biden, in, 3500 years G-D has given man many opportunities to change their ugly power hungry greed ways, but look at you now, I am old and never thought I would see the death of thousands of Christians going to their death by guillotine. biden like satan isn’t worthy to have capital letters. I hope your proud to be the descendants from a dead British dirt farmer who wanted you not to be under the tyranny of bidens( king james the 3rd) as they were, and killed.

  46. Dale on August 24, 2020 at 9:27 pm

    Nobody ever asked Jesus to become a politician. You are mistaken.I think you should read the bible before you voice your inaccurate opinions.
    Where do you get this stuff.
    You mentioned that you almost walked away from Christianity because of the things that you are ranting about.
    If you are truly born of God. It would be impossible to even want to walk away your faith in Christ, and more it would never enter a believers mind.
    You are destined for glory regardless of how you feel about what you read or hear.
    Of course if you are not born of God, and only a Christian by title. Then ya, it would be easy to see how you can make such a statement.
    Maybe take stalk inwho you are in Christ, and see whethr you are a true member of the body.
    I cind you questionable.

  47. RB on April 29, 2020 at 10:39 am

    What can I say?
    The Bible (if you believe in that old book) says explicitly that in the last days people will give to teaching of demons, the tickle of the ears. So, you definitely will get a lot of like and thumbs up.

    So, I will agree with these stupid 5 stupid things, we should definitely not side with parties that tend to defend the unborn and abused children, especially if you are part of the problem.
    Why side with party that is protecting against the sexualization of kids? Let it be. It will work itself out….in a utopian world?
    Why side with the party that is always promoting Islam (religion of piece and pro-women) and bad mouth Christianity (the foundation of this country)? Who needs a foundation? Let it fall…

    News flash for you sir, John the Baptist got his head cut off, do you know why?
    Do you even know who John the Baptist was? He was the one Jesus called the greatest prophet…

    Lastly, the whole bible is political, maybe you didn’t know about that…A little research might help..

    RB

    • Smokey on July 27, 2020 at 7:44 am

      Thank you, you saved me alot of time typing.

    • John the Baptist on January 14, 2021 at 3:41 am

      The Old Testament full of God fucking the other side. Simple and that trait has unfortunately grown in humans as we are part of him. All god does in the Old Testament is testing or killing every one. Noah’s ark! We didn’t fuck up God fucked up for creating them idiots folks. We never created our abilities and sins he did because he created everything. Early bible full of incest wtf! Why didn’t he create a few couples in the beginning mums fucking sons and shit you get of to a start like that you gonna be fucked. I believe in God but fuck me i struggle. Where do the 50 000 Africa babies go that die every day. So when you get to heaven you got 70 trillion black babies bowing to the holy one chanting thank you father thank you for my wonderful life. Your the only one in your family that is a believer so you are going heaven but your brothers and sisters and loved ones are going hell. If I was God I would say just be yourself talk to me like you chat to ya mate. Don’t go changing ya wording and coming out with all that chanting over and over again shit cos I ain’t getting ya. Do you talk to your mum or dad like you talk to me. No ! Why not? Because you fake you not got a clue you try to impress me with words when all you doing is talking shit. Also the folk God choose to do his will, some of them were the most disgusting folk but he choose them. Why. Because they were themselves it’s as simple as that. Wouldn’t you get bored if you have eternity of trillions and trillions of the good folk bowing to you for ever and ever and ever amen. Wtf. 1 life live it. The Catholic Church should be fucking wiped out. Stephen Fry is right about them. How the fuck are they allowed to continue. If a singular or the kkk did wot they did fuck me you wouldn’t fucking be here no more. They put Mary on a pedal stall and that pisses God of putting an instrument before God. Dirty nonces! Used to murder and fuck kids for joke and they knew like they know now there still a couple of hundred catholic priests going round fucking kids. The church hide these people and forgive them and send them to another church to groom more kids. I’m beginning to think God was a bit queer myself. I mean he had a kid of a virgin fucking killed him at 33. And another thing 33 so Jesus never had arthritis, didn’t get fucked by a priest
      lost a kid to a car accident seeing ya parents get old and die weren’t handicapped or Down syndrome. You wanna try going through that shit before getting on ya fucking Cross for 5 hour taking the sins of the world on. Why don’t God just forgive folk and I don’t want to hear that free will devil shit. Kill the devil end of sin right. Why didn’t he do this.

      • Teresa Clay on April 8, 2021 at 6:01 am

        You made me laugh until i had tears in my eyes…for gods sakes ehere else would they be!
        Thanjs for keeping it ALIVE and Kicking.
        Maybe the the son of man equals the sun in are sky….it could be that simple. Why would anybody believe in a God who made such a big mistake that he had to as you said make Jesus’s mother pregnant pretty much by rape he didn’t ask her and then have him killed to fix his mistake so that we would be able to go to heaven sound I’m thinking this is just a story to get other people’s attention to get more Believers some crap

  48. HKW on April 26, 2020 at 10:15 am

    Dear Carey… Is it okay that I call you Carey? Or is it Father Nieuwhof? Forgive me, I honestly don’t remember – it’s been a long time since I addressed someone in your line of work. But I felt the deep need to write to you after reading your article, “5 Stupid Things the Church Needs to Stop Doing to Make Progress.”
    It was very well written. And I honestly think you’re right.
    I want to be clear on something. I am an atheist. I was raised by a Catholic mother and Episcopalian father, both of whom were what I would now call “very religious.” We observed every holiday and ritual, and my diary at the age of five (yes five) appealed to Jesus on a regular basis. I considered him a friend.
    As I grew older, I began to notice things. Inconsistencies, suffering, lack of explanation, obstinance, more suffering. When I wasn’t allowed to outwardly question, which was often, I continued to do so inwardly. By the time I went to college, I was agnostic… just, no longer certain, if you will. So I decided to look into things the best way I possibly could. I obtained a double degree in ethnography (the study of humans and their cultures) and religious studies (the study of global human religion.)
    A fellow student once quipped, “Nothing will kill your religion like religious studies.” And given my own personal turn to atheism, I would have to agree. But he went on to add, “Nothing diminishes blind faith like being able to see.” Even at the time, I could see how his second statement might seem demeaning. It isn’t kind of me to label what you have “blind faith” when I don’t even know you. And you’ve demonstrated a deeper understanding of religious and social interaction – your article makes that clear.
    You’ve outlined the problems with Christian social faux pas, highlighting several personal pet peeves of mine that do absolutely nothing to turn a straying individual back toward Jesus.
    As I grew older and progressed through my “life” education, I came across so many horrendous things that when boiled down amounted to a simple confusion as to how an all good and all powerful God could allow such atrocities to happen to good – or at least innocent – people and animals. (Yes, I love animals. And from a Christian standpoint, they are God’s creatures too, right?) I saw terrorist attack after rape-as-a-weapon-of-war attack after genocide after disease after senseless, violent, apathetic crime take place on a planet seemingly abandoned by a god it continued to fruitlessly worship. And I could not understand why. I still can’t, frankly. And I’ve studied it from every angle; LOL, I’ve got the degree to prove it, I guess.
    However, when Christians present themselves with the apparently equally apathetic “opiate of the masses” facade in their response to genuine cries for help from people like me who can not comprehend these injustices, they do nothing for their cause. And they do nothing to help those in need. In fact, they do only harm. Carey, you’ve managed to pinpoint why this is the case. Granted… the subject could do with some fleshing out. But that’s a topic for another article perhaps. Maybe we can even work on one together some day. (Yes, I’m grinning.) See? Atheists can joke too. But I’m only half joking. Because unfortunately, many atheists present as obstinate and unhelpful a front as many Christians. The comments section of this blog shows as much, I’m sorry to say. We both could use a good amount of self-improvement.
    In short, I wanted to thank you for having the courage to point out these social failings to your fellow Christians. I often take the opportunity online to do the same – in general – for my fellow atheists. Some are willing to listen and others are not. But I believe deep down that in both Christian and atheist cases, this is more a matter of general personality and less one of religion.
    We can get along and come to understand one another if we actually try. I believe you might just be one of the trail blazers capable of carving a path down this road for the rest to follow. And who knows – maybe I am too.
    Best wishes and thank you again,
    – Heather KW

    • Mary Guite on July 16, 2020 at 1:16 pm

      One of the worse things the church can do and causes much harm is to judge and be unkind to others in the body.. because they think they are more Holy or better..

  49. Christopher Shane Jenkins on March 21, 2020 at 8:21 pm

    If the way people do things in your church makes you stop going then you are going for the wrong reasons.

    • Rebecca Maxwell on January 7, 2021 at 4:21 pm

      Saying that leaving the church because of the people is your fault and you’re there for the wrong reasons is only an excuse to lay the problems at the feet of the innocent church goer and letting the dysfunctional church hide and do nothing to change the things they are doing to hurt their congregation. To allow other people of the congregation behave badly towards others who are struggling to find a place in the church. Church needs to take responsibility for their wrong doings and when peoople of the church see someone in their congregation struggling to wrap them in love instead of ignoring them and pretending they don’t exist. Its feels like there is a rule that if you are a struggling Christian fslling away from the church you must be scorned and forgotten. Church only wants those that find life as a Christian easy and fulfilling. To make them look good. Having marital problems, identity problems, you don’t quite fit in? If Jesus was here He would reach out for you and comfort you. Wrap you in love and help point you in the right direction. Every church I have attended in the last 20 years has failed at that. I am now disabled by medical issues and was scorned for speaking about it. “Don’t speak of your illness” your cursing yourself”. “Your not healed despite all the praying and laying of hands? It’s your fault. You must have unresolved sin or unforgiveness in your heart” needles to say I haven’t heard from any of my church family in over 4 years since I stopped reaching out. I constantly sent messages, made phone calls but started to feel like a burden to my church family because I was the only one reaching out. It was a completely one way relationship. I would give it a month. My phone never rang. No messages. Reaching out again. Asking why I dont here from the lady I felt was like family to me we spent so much time together. We both participated in a church plant together. Sometimes it was just her family and mine on a sunday. But we were faithful. She told me when I changed churches,for my kids sake as there wasn’t a kids program and were getting disruptive, that we couldn’t socialize when we didn’t go to the same church. But we were in a small community. So we would see each other constantly. Now I am too tired to reach out. I do church online. My marriage is falling apart and I have noone to talk about it with. My oldest told me she doesn’t believe in God. Though we raised her in the church. Sorry rambling. My apologies so many issues. Churches need more love and less condemnation.

      • Lamar on January 10, 2021 at 11:02 am

        Rebecca I have experienced soo many difficulties in life as so many others and what I can say is GOD is bigger than every individual problem … but I believe the enemy has invaded our thought or belief system, into only thinking of our problems and God is constantly telling us not to allow the interruption of distractions, and continue to seek his ways and trust in his power and trust in his word and believe that he hEAR us AND Things shall change and work for our Good… please listen to Joshua and Janet Mills, and Katie Souza, Robert Henderson… great revelations..

        • Unimportant on July 10, 2021 at 3:24 am

          Progress? You want to change the way you perceive others are. I’m assuming that you consider yourself a “perfect” “christian”?
          I doubt you. Your article sixkens me. Your words sicken me. Its because of rhetoric like this, Christians don’t need this “advice”.
          Just gross malpractice to say the least.
          You want all followers of (who?) To be like cookie cutter (what?). A Christian is a FOLLOWER of Jesus Christ. This isn’t a club, nomatter how the Catholics ran things.

      • Lozenge Lover on April 23, 2021 at 12:22 am

        Rebecca,

        Honey, the church…..is BUILT on condemnation. Wake up.

  50. just a hypocrite on March 3, 2020 at 11:39 am

    Well if you don’t like “the church” and how it is ran where you go prayer works best and he that truly runs his church if in fact it is his can and will fix it if it is a REAL problem. Or find another Pastor/church. Further more you can always start your own “church” but some fail because they do not have a church they simply have only a building with no vision anointing spirit training or calling. (As if there are not already a gazillion catrillion churches available) it grieves me watching old country churches die outas the congregation gets older and the building is left deteriorating while “new churches” with metal structures go up, what a waste. Waste of a good old structures or bones and waste of time/money/effort for nothing really other than the word NEW…

  51. SJ on December 12, 2019 at 12:53 am

    I stopped going to church for exactly those 5 things – & my home church was considered “modern”. I love God, Jesus & the HS & I’m still a Christian, but I almost fell out of Christianity completely because of the system-wide acceptance & perpetuation of – not just 1,2 or 3 things – but a multitude of of sins, including telling me who to vote for. Not all, but much of the church now resembles the Pharisees, as they shout about how Christian they are, yet spit on the poor, call the ill lazy, are filled with hate, negativity & anger, promote strife, some being racist &/or sexist, twist facts or abandon them altogether & outright lie & bear false witness… & So on.

    All this while many non-Christian groups actually act like Jesus. They don’t shout about it or use it to judge or divide, they don’t have time for that bc they’re too busy being like Jesus & instead promote love & light wherever they can. That is where God is – wherever you find true love & light, kindness, humility, truth & joy. They aren’t perfect, don’t pretend to be, & they accept all faiths from all walks of life & in various colors, shapes & forms.

    The author is merely pointing out why the church has not grown & has gone backwards because he truly loves Jesus & Christianity & doesn’t want to see it die out just because of some bad apples. Because it eventually will if it continues down this path. The young people today know how to think for themselves & won’t stand for this continuous hypocrisy.

    God never intended us to mix his word with politics – does anyone actually read their Bibles? “Render God what is God’s & Caesar what is Caesars” – answering that very question explicitly: worship & politics should never mix! For this reason & for the reason that, if mixed, then the clergy immediately commits the most heinous of sins: by representing that God wants this or that (pick whatever political hot button is going on & insert here!). In other words, it’s one thing for a man to sin, but for clergy to take the Lord’s name in vain like that, & cause an entire congregation to sin is a sin that is almost unpardonable & the gravest of all sins. If you screw up your own soul that’s one thing, but hundreds? Thousands? Millions of souls? Yeah, I’ll pray for those who think that’s ok.. and I say this with sincerity & love, not with sarcasm, anger, etc I truly do pray about that all the time.

    • Srinivas Rao on December 30, 2019 at 10:43 am

      Our pastor always makes me feel small by saying I am useless as I don’t know any instruments to play
      And I am able to give only vocal contribution
      But I have been tolerating it for last 4 years just for the glory of God
      But recently he said if I go to some other church nobody will even talk to me since I’m a useless in christ

      So please let me know how to deal with it

      • SJ on January 5, 2020 at 9:07 pm

        I’d say LEAVE NOW. Any pastor who calls someone useless, if he/she really did that, should be fired because there is no holy spirit in a person who is emotionally abusive of any member of his congregation. That’s not an embodiment of love or light. It’s one thing to lust or drink alcohol or smoke pot, but it’s quite another to purposely perpetuate abuse of a sister or brother on an ongoing, continuous basis. That’s not a slip up or a bad day; the abusive have demons/dark energy attached to their souls that is NOT of God/Creator or Love/light energy. Stay strong & find a better church

        • H. John J on March 5, 2020 at 7:58 am

          I truly agree with SJ. Leave now and you will find a church that will embrace you if you let God guide you. Verbal abuse should not be tolerated by anyone in any situation and especially someone who is supposed to help and guide parishoners to a better life through Christ Jesus.

      • Jesus Messiah on March 3, 2020 at 10:52 am

        My heart longs for people zealous to be used by God that God would send them, here i have the exact opposite nobody wants to teach, preach, sing, pray, praise God i have to literally force praise into the church i Pastor.

      • Frank Baik on April 6, 2020 at 4:23 pm

        You are a vocalist, pray, praise, or speak? So you are a contributor to the church.

        I would definitely try other churches. Lots of them. You will find that your pastor is the one minority voice.
        You will be accepted, welcomed, and appreciated at other churches you visit. Trust me, there will be many who appreciate you just showing up. Many who appreciate that you wanting to serve.

        You are created in the image of God and have invaluable worth. The Christ shed his blood for you. That is enough.
        And once you are established in a new church family, your old pastor will notice you stopped showing up and contributing. Shake off the dust and move on.

        May the Lord open doors for you. Through Jesus, the Way, Truth and Life, Amen.

      • Carolyn Booker on April 26, 2020 at 5:08 pm

        Baby you are uniquely created in the image of Christ. Everyone’s gift is different. Sounds like you’re on the wrong church. I don’t know if you are old enough to make a move, but pray for guidance from the Lord. He will direct you if you ask Him. Ultimately it’s your decision but as an ex abused in church member no one has the right to tell you you are useless, that’s not their call. Be blessed and I will pray for you.

      • Subsyantial on April 23, 2021 at 12:20 am

        Christianity mentally disables people. Leave the church. Do not go back. Find community where there is no tithing. Such as hobbies, art, nature, whatever brings you to life. The opposite is to believe you are a sick sinner who must tithe and repent, which is what the ignorant do once roped into the cult.

    • Lamar on January 10, 2021 at 11:05 am

      AMEN!!!!

  52. Dickie_Boy LPT on November 1, 2019 at 9:53 pm

    I absolutely hate it when fellow Christians (especially here in my country the Philippines) would constantly use God as a scapegoat as to why disasters happen most notably earthquakes that have happened and keep on posting that “we must all repent” or whatever Biblical non-sense they can come up.

    Plus just recently there was a major earthquake in Mindanao (here in my country the Philippines) and some random white dude with long hair and a long beard was wearing a toga & walking along the road supposedly after the earthquake. And people immediately starting copying the pictures and then claiming that it was the next coming of Christ and that we must all repent and whatever.

    Like seriously. People forget that the Philippines is part of the “Ring Of Fire” and that earthquakes and all other geological happenings are supposed to be normal here. It’s like living in a “less fortunate” neighborhood full of gangs and when a drive-by happens, some nutjob would claim the government did it and that we must obey them to stay safe.
    And it gets on my nerves how quick they comment “amen” and post things like “Godbless *insert name of place*” and think that’s all there is to it.
    They don’t realize that their empty prayers and blessing won’t help those affected by disasters or anyone in the future. They still cling to this false narrative that if they pray more, go to church more and repent more then somehow all these disasters would somehow stop and that everyone would be automatically be safe while they go about their lives being idiots and a-holes to other people.
    And when you show them the science behind said disasters and that their time wasted on all their fake prayers would have been better spent preparing for the worst and be more serious when discussing about disasters plus to also be more serious with their building codes so that their buildings won’t easily collapse, they’ll immediately brand you as a fool and turn you into a “non-believer” because you don’t share the same blind faith as they do.

    And here’s the thing, they also don’t realize that what they’re doing is actually bad since (due to the gullible mind of most normies) people can be easily swayed into thinking that it’s all their fault and that every disaster it God’s way of punishing them for being *insert sin that religious nutjobs deem as unholy*. It creates a bad impression in people’s minds and instead of (like I said) preparing for the worst and being more vigilant and serious with the major things they do i.e. following stricter building codes and being knowledgeable as to what to do when an earthquake hits or even be more knowledgeable and better prepared if a typhoon hits (which is the biggest reason why so many died when Haiyan/Yolanda hit since most people living on the coast were too ignorant to realize the danger that was to befall them and just coughed up excuses like “God will take care of them”),
    People would instead waste their time living in fear and when the next disaster does come, the cycle of death and stupidity just continues. Plus you have the added loonies in the bunch that will also blame the government when in reality it was their own ineptness that caused them to be unprepared in the first place.

    Most Christians also have this habit of dismissing science and if you do use science they’ll mock your “educated brain” and claim that even though you’re educated, you are somehow stupid or lesser than them because you don’t “think the same as them” or don’t have the same way of thinking/faith such as them.

    It’s because of this stupidity why I try to stay far away from people who are a bit too overzealous in their faith since most of them are too stubborn to know the truth and expect God to somehow rescue their lazy butts when they’re in danger. And recently I haven’t gone to church that made but when I do I am very picky in my choice of churches because priests nowadays in my country as so full of themselves and act as virtuous political pawns for the Liberals in my country often using baseless accusations and spreading lies and using God’s name in vain when spreading their BS.

    Gone are the days when being “religious” meant that you should help your fellow man. Nowadays it’s just a way of thinking for idiots and a-holes that just because they’re so religious, pray almost every hour, always going to church and following every order their religious leaders give them, they think they get an automatic pass into heaven while still acting like toxic people in real life. With some even outright using it as a status symbol or a sense of entitlement to belittle people.

    • Jericho Tejares on November 8, 2019 at 8:16 pm

      That you are right. I too am from the Philippines but not right now. It has made me Hesitant on GOD towards Many other groups of people, whether mostly Online or face-to-face. Not because the LORD ‘doesn’t Exist’, but due to my and Many of our Lack of Faith in HIM & HIS SON, JESUS that truly such Empty Praises and Worships to GOD as you have said up top is….Very much ‘wrong’ and having just the Want to ‘correct’ such people (more like Warnings) with whom you just mentioned. (Of course, the ‘Consequences’ while Listening to GOD by Following JESUS, Literally, and what HE Wants All of us to become in HIM….that I can only imagine what Backlashes such True Disciples will face.)….

      Eventually….they will have to Continue on the Faith, or Fall away Hard…

    • Read your bibles on March 3, 2020 at 10:55 am

      Read Matthew 24, it is prophecy of his coming and his judgement it would be wise to repent foolish to not. (5 wise 5 foolish)

    • Patrick Scully on March 31, 2020 at 5:09 pm

      Now it’s 2020 covid 19 a good time to repent and prepare for the second coming. The Catholic church is guilty of paganism. And immorality . let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

  53. Cmmmmm on October 13, 2019 at 7:27 am

    Thank you for sharing this. I have been feeling like this for a while for many reasons, including the things I see my sisters in Christ share online, the judgment and hatred on subjects and not realizing they are pushing people away from Christ that have yet to encounter him. I wasn’t always a believer, but I was met with love and acceptance and that’s how I came to Christ. Being in church, I see so much of this going on and it worries me that I want my daughters to believe but not with these bad examples. I don’t want them to either fall away from Christ or think this is the way. I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks this and I feel better about not agreeing with everything some people have to say.

    • Judy Popham on December 9, 2019 at 2:13 pm

      I wish churches would share their magnificent fellowship church dinners to the poor. We bring so much food, stuff our own faces and do it again and again. Most churches wouldn’t think of putting up a sign for outsiders or homeless, etc to come in. Wouldn’t it be great to stand back and watch them enjoy a free buffet?

      • Read your bibles on March 3, 2020 at 10:48 am

        Read 1 Corinthians 5:11

    • Ricky Sandefur on February 25, 2020 at 12:24 am

      This is what I am talking about I stop believing when christians decided trump and power were their new gods

  54. Mary valerie on September 23, 2019 at 10:12 pm

    Some things are right some are not. We will never completely see eye to eye. Churches are so focused on growing that they forgor its ALL ABOUT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

  55. dakasi tom on September 19, 2019 at 2:00 am

    above all God remains perfect with what he does daily on this planet
    Glory be to his name

  56. June Dunbar on September 12, 2019 at 11:16 am

    Carey, I just read your 5 stupid things the church needs to stop doing. I give your comments five stars. Five out of five isn’t bad, sir. Thank you for sharing these words of wisdom. They reinforced my understanding of how to build a church on the the firm foundation, feed the flock, and watch the Lord increase the numbers. These words have come to me at a crucial intersection in my life. I thank God he sent me to you site today, and I thank you for hearing God when he asked you to write this message.

    • Carey Nieuwhof on September 12, 2019 at 1:29 pm

      June,

      Thank you so much for the kind words. It means more than you know.

      Carey

  57. Christian weirdo on September 6, 2019 at 12:24 am

    I’m not a Christian, despite my name, but Christians are weird. When a Christian sings church songs that never get to the point, and act like stupid old ladies, and preach with a Bible in their hands, and state the end of the word, and make babies without having sex, it’s weird! And no Christian is like anybody else in the world. Their listening to sermons, their worship of a murder, and their lies, it’s sugary! It tends to cloy, it doesn’t feel right, it feels like an evil and wrong lie, it puts sugar in what’s mean, it doesn’t feel right. Christians are soulless zombies who don’t realise there’s no God, and the reality is if it’s logical it must be true, because it’s illogical to believe in God, what has God done to the Egyptians? What has he done to the Jews other than Noah and his family in the Flood? He killed them. And you expect me to live up with this fantasy?! Christianity will never admit it’s wrong. Is there any nerve-wracking research into human sicknesses done in Christian Science with any testing and debunking? No, it’s all belief and acceptance, it’s not science! And Christian Science makes you weird! You’ll be the only one angry over sin. It makes you look like a weird, innocent, “cleansed” person, that’s what Christianity does! It’s ridiculous!

    • Truth just on October 6, 2019 at 3:14 am

      If you deflect the angle of your criticism you will certainly see your reflection in it clearly. It’s appears that you have no clear knowledge of Christianity or the numerous positive changes it brought to the World. I say this as a person whose ancestors believed in paganism. I’m overjoyed that I’m a christian and the Light it shed in our lives. In my experience and observation, everyone that criticizes Christianity or Christ demonstrated poor ethics in their rhetorics. They seem to forget the other religions, and the target is always Christianity. The exhortation applies to all, avoid the temptation to criticize unfairly while ignoring your own judgemental attitude.

      • M P Harries on December 17, 2020 at 9:48 am

        It’s important, because honesty is important – and the notion that there is no such thing as an ‘alternative fact’ – that Christians come to terms with their dogma. The most important fact that Christian can’t avoid, according to their dogma, was that Jesus existed before he was ‘born’ in an incarnate form – OF COURSE he HAD TO BE, otherwise christians are forced to accept that there was a time when the One God didn’t exist. Jesus is the same entity, the same ‘mind’ – THE Mind – as the OT’s Yahweh – Jesus was/is Yahweh and Yahweh was/is Jesus . After Jesus’ corporeal departure from Earth he still exists of course, as the one entity, the one substance, the one ‘mind’ of Yahweh, who never died, but has existed ceaselessly and has been around before the start of time, of course. Is it possible for Jesus and Yahweh to disagree, when they are the same entity?

        And there lies the problem. The entity that is Yahweh (incarnate as Jesus) is portrayed in the Bible (Yahweh/Jesus’ own words or inspired word) as a deeply unpleasant, sadistic and unjust entity. For example, during the Passover, which Jews and Christians accept, Yahweh (incarnate as Jesus) murdered tens (hundreds?) of thousands (millions?) of Egyptians for the crime of not being a member of the Hebrew tribe – convicted on the grounds of their parentage. Some victims being perhaps a few hours old, some well into their 80s no doubt, no matter how long a list of their virtues. Now what man, born in Austria who came to power in Germany during the 30s condemned people to death on the grounds of their parentage? And when Yahweh (incarnate as Jesus) flooded the earth with the aim to drown all but Noah’s family, as he looked down and saw terrified people in almost countless numbers (some only hours or days old), gasping their last breathe before their lungs filled with water, what was Yahweh (incarnate as Jesus) thinking?
        Result! ??

        And Yahweh (incarnate as Jesus) encouraged the genocide of the Amalek. Don’t forget that we don’t have the side of the story according to the Amalek in the Bible. One must ask, who’s writing this ‘history’? Read Quran 5:51 to learn that Abraham’s god considers Jews and Christians person non-grata! So in the Quran, the god invented by the Jews (Yahweh, incarnate as Jesus) actually turns against them – because this time it’s not the Jews writing the story! Might the Amalek have had a similar viewpoint?

        The LAST characteristic one can attribute to Yahweh, incarnate as Jesus, is Love – no matter what Paul of Tsarus says. In fact, it’s not the LAST, one simply can’t, with any vestige of common sense or consideration of morality, attribute LOVE to Yahweh (incarnate as Jesus).

        The Muslims have an easier time of it, as they don’t have to defend the notion that ‘God (Yahweh, incarnate as Jesus/Allah) is love’. Alas, there is soooo much evidence to the contrary. All they say is that he is great, as in powerful, and that is so much easier to defend. They don’t really care whether he is nice, he is what he is, and as long as one submits to his authority, however sadistic and unjust, it provides one a ticket to heaven where one can spend eternity next to a god that is cruelly sadistic and unjust.

        Honestly, who in their right mind would actually want that?

        While not seeking to impoverish or flagellate themselves (as there is no moral limit to that), I admire many people who try and help the unlucky, the down-and-out, the virtuous underdog, no matter what religion or non-religion. I feel sorry for Christians, that is, people who desire to be tremendously kind to please a god (Yahweh, incarnate as Jesus) that is portrayed in the Bible as the polar opposite.

        The Christians need to change the dogma. They need yet another Council of Nicaea. They need to make up another story and say that it was kind Jesus who always existed, Yahweh (aka the Devil) usurped and suppressed him somehow (these things just happen?) and that at the point Jesus became incarnate Yahweh vanished (these things just happen?); and so THEN they can more easily promote that Jesus is LOVE. While Jesus is linked to Yahweh (IS Yahweh), it’s a non-starter.

        Lastly, I have a catholic friend, a good egg, who just doesn’t want to think about it. That’s how he copes, and he’s happy with that.

        Peace and Cheers!

    • Patrick from CA on November 17, 2019 at 5:45 am

      Christian weirdo..

      I understand some of your issues and dislike in the “stereotypes” you mention. However I have to.tell you that a OVERWHELMINGLY large portion of the churches and preachers you see on television are NOT true Christians. They have been poisoned by Satan thru means which corrupts most men.. Wealth and Power. They say that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. As for excessive wealth.. when we see $25 million dollar mansions and preachers asking their congregation for a Gulfstream Private Jet (when they already have 3 other jets), when we see perma smiley Oh-steen and his constant GROSS distortions of God’s word, never ONE sermon that comes from actual scripture, and his fake totally overly exaggerated southern accent “my daddy said the Lord will provide…”.. When a church looks like a sports arena and has virtually every seat filled. I can PROMISE you that TRUE BIBLICALLY / scripture cited sermons aren’t being told to that audience. Those people are their because they want “their best life now” (oh-steen’s hit seller book, they love to hear prosperity preaching. Yet its just lies.. and Satan is the one doing the distorting. He distorted that preacher’s mind gradually, and gave him what a man of the flesh desires. And since he got it….now he OWES Satan his labor. To mislead people. And mislead the people by proxy (you, non-christian people who are on the outside watching their.horrid behaviour and seeing it for what it is. Fake.

      Honey. GOD IS MOST.CERTAINLY REAL. And ao is our adversary, Satan. The devils best deception was in making people believe he isnt real. Hollywood has done that bit of service ad nausuem….

      There is over 700 terrabytes of genetic information in our DNA. That has been all programmed by God in the beginning. And passed down from Father/Mother to offspring our entire existence. You are being blinded by Satan.. and you havent asked God for your redemption. So why would you think he would reveal himself.to someone who openly mocks him? Trying praying.. ask for.his discernment and ask for his son Jeaus precious gift . We are ALL DOOMED to.HELL until we are saved by Jesus’s actions. You HAVE TO ASK for him.to be part of your life
      When you do. You will see thr world with an entirely different set of eyes. You will see thru all the BS. And he will show you truths that will utterly astound you!!!!

      God is amazing. His Love is beyond compare. And when you are saved you feel.it im your very soul. Its a comfort you wont find ANYWHERE ELSE or by doing anything else. It ONLY comes from our creator. He wants to.be in your life. Invite him… and tell me how right i am a few months later. With your new heart and eyes.

      I.pray you do seek him. If you do.. you’ll find him. And BOOM!!

      • Dickmelson Lupot on November 17, 2019 at 8:05 pm

        I’m not saying I don’t believe in God, what I’m trying to say is that I no longer follow the “ways” of the perverted and dirty church we have now. I don’t like hearing these “priests” who talk about God yet abuse his name and their roles as priests to make dumb accusation, force you to do something for them or else you supposedly go to hell or whatever.

        I also don’t like the current state of Christians where even the most devastating of natural disasters which can be explained by science and instead of learning from the losses and doing better next time (i.e. preparing for the worst better with say first aid kits on hand, learning what to do when a quake or typhoon hits or even just following proper & strict building codes as to not let their buildings go down from the smallest quake), people would just blab about how it’s “god’s retribution” and that we should “atone for our sins” with some using disasters as a way to make a quick buck (I use a small letter “g” since the “god” they’re talking about isn’t the GOD that I know and isn’t some a-hole up above who would just throw away calamities like it was a Black Friday sale).
        And instead of doing better next time and be happy they’re alive, you instead get Christians who become even more delusional which would lead to more damages and loss of life due to people being too idiotic to prepare and be more mindful of what they, they instead would just waste time in making worthless prayers, going to social media and acting like they’re saints and would be even more stupid as to what they should do.
        In short, you get worthless idiots that are extremely useless and a detriment to any rescue/preparation efforts when the next quake or typhoon hits.
        I’m also pissed that these same idiots don’t listen to reason, logic and science. They even deem them blasphemous.

        And I’m talking about my country the Philippines, not the US. What we have here are stupid & perverted priests who use “the word of god” to become politicians (and the worst kind who support/care for criminals and don’t care about the innocents lost and killed by said criminals) while having this “higher than thou” attitude thinking that the government and the people owe them big time even though the church here are just the modern Filipino version of the same church the Spaniards made that damaged and abused my country when we were still a colony of Spain.

    • Vicki E. Goyen on April 25, 2020 at 10:35 pm

      I agree with the hypocrisy. And it saddens me to see how some ” bad apples” spoil Christianity for the rest of us who come to church to share God’s love and beauty, His kingdom on earth. We should examine more closely the exemplary teachings of Christ and do our utmost to “circumcise our hearts” from hypocrisy and pride. Let’s gently examine our own intentions before God. It is only by our own example can we reflect the true nature of the light given us. I pray for you all…

  58. silas on August 20, 2019 at 11:04 am

    If the apostles knew what Jesus meant when they baptised in the name of the lord jesus christ, how could they be wrong all these years?

  59. Natalie on June 21, 2019 at 12:47 pm

    The most fascinating thing to me about this article and its responses is how full of contradictory commands the bible is, and how anyone can use anything from it to disparage anyone else. One person uses a select verse to prove another person wrong, and then someone else uses a different verse to point out how that person is wrong, and so on and so on and so on. Which brings me to my favorite verse. Ecclesiastes 1.

    • John on June 30, 2019 at 11:58 pm

      So when does god decide who gives birth the handicapped kids. So how come Jesus didn’t have to go through that. He weren’t raped as a kid? He was able bodied. He ain’t gone through shit and the struggle that a handicapped kid goes through. And then he dies for everyone’s sins. Old age arthritis shitting and pissing yourself he never had to go through none of that. Burying his parents his chrildren did he have to go through that?no! Give me a cross any day of the week

      • Read your bibles on March 3, 2020 at 11:03 am

        Are you ok? The devil actually tried to kill Jesus through the king that reigned in that time period but the prophecy came to pass to get out of the city. In other words you could have/can have had the same protection. Read Acts 16:6 (divine protection) until his will is accomplished in your life. The devil comes to kill steal and destroy don’t blame God, blame the devils darkness and perhaps even a person’s pride…

        • Gertrude on April 23, 2021 at 12:34 am

          Do you only eat McDonalds? “The devil”?? Really? How old are you…..three????

          • John the Baptist on April 23, 2021 at 12:39 am

            God sending his son y don’t he have 30 kids like ya average packi! Made Adam and Eve eve has to fuck her son to get the rest of us. So he creates a weak as piss cunt called eve suck apple first opportunity then blames us I’ll beat the the cunt when I get there why don’t you just forgive the world idiots fucking load of nonces bullshitting. Who would put an asshole next to a cunt. God would



    • Richard Viands on August 6, 2019 at 11:56 pm

      The problem with using verses is that most times people read verses to satisfy a personal feeling or belief and almost always take the verses out of their context. Most also need to realize the audience in which these scriptures were be written for. Scripture can be used for study and teaching and taught as an example for our lives but it wasn’t written to us specifically but rather for our edification and education and salvation. More times than not people take scriprure out of context forgetting the scriptures before and after what they are quoting. Sure, the Word was written in such a way to reach all the changing generations but we should never forget the specific audience then they were trying to reach as well.

      • Rally on April 23, 2021 at 12:37 am

        It is literalism. It is an error. The ignorant do it, out of ignorant. They literalize. As if things have inherent existence, which they do not.

        Jesus IS literalism, when taken as a separate savior.

        • John the Baptist on April 23, 2021 at 2:46 am

          Why did he create the devil cos he did god made the devil because he can do anything so why don’t he just kill the devil instead of all the bullshit where you wanna go next heaven with 345 trillion trillion black babies that died at birth yeah there all in heaven terry Waite and all then forgiven nonces and murderers and and horrible begging tramp mother thresa or be in hell with Marilyn monrow and Clint Eastwood

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  61. Joni on April 20, 2019 at 10:23 pm

    Wow! Yes to all of this. These are all things that have bugged me for awhile, but I’ve never been able to clarify my frustrations. Thank you for a great article. “Christians, let’s just stop being so weird online, okay?” Love it! 🙂

  62. Jane on April 10, 2019 at 10:15 pm

    All that needs to be said is…. I saw no scripture references to any thing YOU said. READ YOUR BIBLE , give me Gods words from the Bible and you might just have something . But I doubt YOU CAN DO THAT !!!! God said it …that settles it !!! Wether you believe it or not, doesn’t matter!!

    • Zed on April 15, 2019 at 2:38 am

      Oddly judgemental soul, you are. Didn’t know you spoke for God, Jane.

      • Melanie nations on April 28, 2019 at 12:56 pm

        Share your broken self story with others and let others know we are who god truly uses, not the perfect. Preachers don’t seem to get that one where I live!! I am a missionary for addicts, prisoners and homeless!! I love to help everyone and have fun doing it

    • Stanley Dove on April 22, 2019 at 1:43 am

      I agree with this comment. No Scriptures given. This lacks validity. Please shut up, until you can give Scriptures to back up every point made. 1 Pet 3:15-16

      • Natalie on June 21, 2019 at 1:19 pm

        I think you missed this part of this very verse you cite: “But do this with gentleness and respect.”

    • Tony on April 23, 2019 at 9:05 am

      So funny, yes all you posted is true. Lol I speak of the main post about Christians. The problem is, you. Are doing exactly what you said us Christian should not do either. Sorry, maybe I am just a genius or something. But it’s so simple to read into. I am not trying to be right. I just don’t see how the pot calling the kettle black ( truth is I know I ain’t know genius. I actually don’t remember this analogy, lol, which makes your situation worse cause even I can see your hypocracy) or let’s say we are ‘ all’ two peas in a pod’, lol… the fact is that unless you build up the church, in the spiritual conspiracy we live in, whether you acknowledge it or not, you are either a satanic minion for Satan or a person trying your darness to try to help the churches goal of freeing the crimanaly insane followers of a band of demons out to destroy the church and Gods own child and purpose. Here is a scripture. In the Bible, there was a Jewish leader who gave a logical answer to the Jews as they tried to condem Jesus. He said, be careful in your efforts to fix things that you don’t find yourself fighting against God Himself! That would certainly be ignorant! Wouldn’t you say? Did You know that God put the government in place so that the church would be kept separate? Wait wait wait, I know you said that. The problem is, when you attack the church and say what you said, wow, hope your not a woman, cause you have big ba..s! To think you have the right to say such things of Gods elected? Lol, wow. I hope that you find a good priest or pastor. I hope you learn that you only have to repent once and you dont get a hold of some logical person that will make logic of your destruction and that for every person you seperate from God mission and push them into Satan army of conspirators ( of which I think I can safely call you a recruiter, cause anyone that was on the dense of God and Satan ( Satan owns the fence) so if they had a single strand keeeping them in Gods government of the church, you probably comvinced them that you are right and the hell with such a messed up system?!! Cause the way that you put it should have read, though we Christian are weak and defeated in many areas, keep true to God and His wisdom and mercy shall see You thru and teach you and help you. Put up the good fight of faith and victory is sure… not your version, just quit. Your writes, biting off more that you can chew, have no sense, Your a hypocrit, just like us messed up fools, so why even try, it’s obviously not working, come with us, we can teach you how to logicaly find God. It’s all about coots and intellect and just being normal. Follow us, we know the real way. Church!!Godssystem, lol. Just look at the results. It’s all over the internet media. It a joke. We know best. Just follow your heart. Follow your own mind and decisions. Trust me you will be better this way. Here, take a bite of the apple. You will really know the truth if you do. Me and my friends know a lot and we can teach you.
      You probably don’t call it church. You probably call it, the truth and logical normal way. In the times of Christ, the Christian church teaching where called, The Way’, it’s all about the way you go. But when you take God’s way of get His Word out and replace it with a few better ways to make His way work better, just don’t stand next to me in a lighting and thunder storm. Cause if you convince several people to see God church in any of the five ways you describe and they left, lol, that’s not help. That’s called spiritual suicide assistance…!!!!! Even I was saying, hmm.,, am I saying anything that can hurt this person? I am not here to judge you . This is a warning. Don’t be scared of demons try to tell You karma will hurt you for such evil, if you ever figure out what you might have accomplished here. Cause either you killed the last hope of a believer to hope in Gods church to help them or you just made those who understood you even more like the devil too. But I assure you, no one felt like that even if they do feel and do these things they will come closer to God because of this. I am tired of writing. Bye bye. And please remember, even hitler could have been forgiven if he would have said, sorry God. It’s that simple so don’t worry about the karma monster. Just another of satans lies and tricks to put u into chains

      • Jack Jackson on April 23, 2019 at 10:28 pm

        God bless you Tony! I wish more of us would take a firm stand for Christ. Too many people try to be coy, or “politically correct.” You tell it just as it is. Thank you. Jack

      • Thomas on May 8, 2019 at 11:29 am

        I do not believe the man who posted this article intended to judge the church. He may not have left scriptural quotes by all his ideas. However for those who were so quick to judge him and blast his ideas proves the ravening wolves in sheep’s clothing that Jesus warned us of. Paul also warned us of contentions and strife amidst the church. Many prophets and martyrs went out just the way this man may have if it had not been by God’s grace to appear on this blog. For helpful ideas many have been imprisoned or murdered. The man who posted these ideas of hopeful helpful insight I do not know, nor his intentions. My first take was mixed. I though wow he covered a lot of topics that the church struggles with. Then I though, wow he has some judgementalness too. However we are all human and I see no toxic intent in anything he posted. We have been warned by the good Lord to not let the ministry be at fault or I’ll spoken of. Any who know scripture would understand the keypoints that this man is trying to express. He is simply urging us to be more like Jesus. Many of you jumped to shameful conclusions and chose to bash this man instead of taking it as helpful criticism. Some of the responses reminded me of the High Priest Ciaphas and his cronies. Examine yourselves that you may be approved. If anyone would post the malignant responses left with Jesus to your side or over your shoulder while doing so, may not have the right Jesus with them. Jesus walked caring and compassionately. He was gentle…not barbaric, jumping down throats or keyboards. The fact of so many hate filled responses proves the man who posted this subject hit home and the responses are out of rage and guilt as well as possible self-loathing. A few thousand years ago it may have been these repliers who held the spikes, hammers, and scourge in their hands. We ought not judge one another. We should take critique with humbleness and openness. We should seek guidance and pray for direction. Christ is not belligerent so none who say He is their Lord should be either. If we read our Bible’s we would have known what the man was driving at. I do not know a lot not am I highly educated but I do read my Bible and pay attention as Jesus tells us to. How can we as followers of Christ change things and make a difference in the world around us that we are not of but sent into if we are no different from it.

        • Christian weirdo on September 6, 2019 at 12:33 am

          What’s this substance of God’s grace? It’s weird! Grace of what? That’s how obscure it is, does anyone take the Christian mandatory commands seriously?

        • Ruth on January 30, 2021 at 10:16 am

          Excellently stated. Christians, myself included, need to learn how to handle conflict or confrontation. I believe we are about to face a tidal wave of it here in the United States. We need to be saturated with truth — especially the Word of God — so we can recognize the lies (the fiery darts) that come to hit us. If we can’t handle differences within the body of Christ, what good can we possibly be to those outside? There is also a natural law that we must discover and agree with. God is a God of order, not chaos and confusion. (Look that up on Bible Gateway to find the scripture reference, 1 Corinthians 14 I believe.) We must study the world carefully, seeking for God’s revelation of Himself in it or at work in it. Which parts are of God and which parts are the destructive forces of darkness. We obviously must cling to the good, which is of God.

    • Piegee on May 12, 2019 at 8:08 pm

      You becoming a judge now🤔

    • Cmmmm on October 13, 2019 at 6:59 am

      He did give examples from the Bible. As Christians, we need to open our eyes and ears to criticism. I think you should re-read the article

    • Rob Macdonald on November 24, 2019 at 5:02 am

      Why do so many Christians quote from the Old Testament all the time and hardly ever from the New?

  63. Rebecca on April 3, 2019 at 7:56 pm

    I agree about the internet most emphatically. Those sweet words kinda make me feel depressed anyways. I would add that christians complaintoo much at church. It makes me nuts that we can’t pray more and complain less i think that would move mountains.

  64. Susie R on March 22, 2019 at 10:01 pm

    I would like to know, EXACTLY, what proof we have, that anyone actually MET or SAW or talked to Jesus? Does anyone really know “who wrote,” the New Testament?
    I know we have a lot of “let’s assume,” and go to church but I have read, researched and studies religion and quite frankly, I think what I found is nothing that can be proven. You can’t keep saying “You must have faith,” as in my opinion, that like someone saying, “Look, you have to play the lottery,” “Trust me, eventually you will win!!” How do I know?
    Because people win. I think there is MORE proof of that, than there is of the AUTHOR or who authored the Bible, or the Version there of, or if there was truly a Mark or Matthew and I wish, I truly WISH that I could find some concrete evidence that this is true.
    But thus far, I have found that there are crazy’s and there are “Sheep,” and depending on the need, they may follow anyone.
    I do not believe that people should knock on doors (mormons and Jehovah’s witnesses) and when I listened to a JW one day, years ago, they showed me “their version,” and Jesus was named Jehovah.
    Then it became a search for “right.” Unfortunately, I don’t believe the proof or truth exists and no one knows where is came from and the “Have Faith,” will always be the answer.
    The answer is, no one really knows.
    Decide and go with that.
    Churchs ask for money.
    Pastors, preachers, fathers, bishops, Allah!? They all do things that make us physically ill and never without “cost.”
    Sadly, they pay these individuals more than the working class, and THAT is the bottom line.
    So, the “church,” which “IF,” were created when “Christ,” was hanging with his buds, Matthew, Mark etc.
    Was NOT in a fancy pancy church that paid him 1M a year, for reading a book to them.
    I’d rather go to the Library but that is no more. Our kids no longer get to visit the library for “reading time.”
    Its just SAD

  65. Paula Shaffer on March 19, 2019 at 10:11 pm

    Personally, I think you’ve got it right in this article. This isn’t only what you find in church congregations but also on a bit of Christian programming on cable as well. Jesus’s Divine Love with no judgement, criticism, or condemnation towards any of God’s creatures is what I believe would heal the world (and ourselves). I wish I lived close enough to attend your church. I will check out your online offerings.

  66. Ann on March 12, 2019 at 11:44 pm

    Manna from heaven! You have no idea what you’ve just done for me with this article. I would have to write a book to tell you! I’m not being dramatic or sanguine when I say this: I literally had YEARS of baggage just fall off of me. I went immediately and confessed sin to my 18 year old son that has driven him to be an angry young man. He bear hugged me, and said, “Thank you, mom!” I cried, and the atmosphere lifted. He shared things with me in conversation he hasn’t been able to share in 2 or 3 years! We used to have such amazing and sweet talks about the Lord. I’ve been so busy with intense trials that resulted in battling people, that he hasn’t felt discipled by me in a long time (his words).
    I felt the same load drop concerning offenses I’ve held on to from my church. It’s a wonderful church, and they have been so patient with us…not perfect…not without a bit of sin on their part, but I was instantly and strongly (and sweetly) convicted that, to be plain, I’ve become a nuisance to the church. I’ve self justified until I’ve made myself sick. How amazing it feels to lay down the sword and put on the shield of faith. I’m a stubborn and hurt (but healing) lady, and in thinking I was just not being a door mate, I’ve pushed it to the point of repeated sin and relational harm to myself, God, and others. Thank you so much for this, and God bless you!

  67. Anonymous on February 12, 2019 at 12:20 pm

    When you say that Christians shouldn’t be in politics, here is what I have to say, and it is as simple as this… as Christians, we are called to participate in Politics and things that associate with this (government, politics, legal stuff etc…)

    • Shawn on February 20, 2019 at 4:26 pm

      One reason sexual sins are singled out is because homosexuality is a lifestyle, fornication is a lifestyle, adultery is a lifestyle, all accepted by those committing those same offenses. I don’t wake every day and decide, I think I’ll lie to someone today…or, I think I’ll covet my neighbors house today.. or, I think I’m gonna kill someone today.

      Sure, we all slip up from time to time, but God knows who really slipped up and who didn’t. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 outlines those who will NOT inherit the Kingdom of Heave. Now, if I’m speaking God’s word to someone about something they’re doing wrong, that is not me judging, but God’s word. Regardless, if I can lead someone to the cross by telling them that what they’re doing doesn’t line up with God’s word, then Praise God! And lastly, Christians need to be involved with politics. Separation of Church and State is a worldly government standard, but if you look back in the Old Testament, you’ll see that Israel was Blessed when they had a God-fearing leader.

      • Stanley Dove on April 22, 2019 at 2:08 am

        This comment is true, but as a caveat to this, Israel were in fact the actual Grand Children of Jaxob. There wasn’t a Church. There is a people. Jesus the Christ the matchless Lamb was sent to “His” people, Jacobs Children of the flesh. In the flesh they had the “standard” that TMH gave to only them. It’s time to get back to His standard..Most of the crap on this site, deals with the traditions of men. ( opinionated bull crap) TMh has left Scriptures, to back up what I’m saying.
        All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Tim 3:16-17

    • Mystery on March 13, 2019 at 9:48 am

      Are we really though? The Bible tells us to spread his word , but it never tells us to rally our political opinions.

    • Christian weirdo on September 6, 2019 at 12:48 am

      Just to see how weird it is, and to do weird things Christian style, I’m taking up Christianity, it’s by the depths of your soul that one is so good, or so aesthetic, as my soul is one that’s diluted by society, for I despise people and throw my vengeance upon them. I don’t consider myself an existentialist, this is my own individual thing since the book I read. I don’t find any other Christianity necessary, it’s irrational and it’s nonsense, and to be crazy I’m remaining Christian like a cleansed weirdo.

    • Robert on October 3, 2019 at 8:19 pm

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      Stanley Spencer, Christ’s Entry into Jerusalem. Oil on canvas, 1920.
      Jesus and Politics
      by Marcus J. Borg

      Politics are at the center of the story of Jesus. His historical life ended with a political execution. Crucifixion was used by Rome for those who systematically rejected imperial authority, including chronically defiant slaves and subversives who were attracting a following. In the world of Jesus, a cross was always a Roman cross.

      So also the heart of his message was political: it was about the coming of “the kingdom of God.” These are the first words of Jesus in Mark, the earliest Gospel, an advance summary of what the Gospel and the story of Jesus are about (Mark 1:14-15). Of course, Jesus’ message was also religious: he was passionate about God and what God was like. That passion led him, in his teaching and actions, to proclaim the kingdom of God.

      In his world, “kingdom” language was political. Jesus’ hearers knew about other kingdoms—the kingdom of Herod and the kingdom of Rome (as Rome referred to itself in eastern parts of the empire). The kingdom of God had to be something different from those kingdoms.

      The kingdom of God is for the earth. The Lord’s Prayer speaks of God’s kingdom coming on earth, even as it already exists in heaven. It is about the transformation of this world—what life would be like on earth if God were ruler and the lords of the domination systems were not.

      If Jesus had wanted to avoid the political meaning of kingdom language, he could have spoken of the “family” of God, or the “community” of God, or the “people” of God. But he didn’t: he spoke of the kingdom of God.

      It would be a world of economic justice in which everybody had the material basics of existence. And it would be a world of peace and nonviolence. Together, economic justice and peace are “the dream of God”— God’s passion for a transformed world.

      Jesus’ passion for the kingdom of God created conflict with the authorities. His public activity began after the arrest of his mentor, John the Baptizer, by the Rome-appointed ruler of Galilee (Mark 1:14). Conflict dominates his story throughout the Gospels and climaxes in the last week of Jesus’ life with his challenge to the authorities in Jerusalem and his crucifixion.

      Jesus also used political means, most dramatically in two public political demonstrations. First, his preplanned entry into Jerusalem on a donkey symbolized a kingdom of peace in which the weapons of war would be banished. Second, he publicly indicted the temple as “a den of robbers” because it had become the center of collaboration with Roman imperial rule and taxation (Matt 21:13, Mark 11:17, Luke 19:46).

      Jesus’ passion for the kingdom of God led to his passion in the narrower sense of the word: his arrest, suffering, and death. This is the political meaning of Good Friday. Easter also has a political meaning: it meant that God said yes to Jesus’ passion for a transformed world and no to the powers of domination that killed him. Of course, Good Friday and Easter have more than a political meaning—but not less.

      Marcus J. Borg, “Jesus and Politics”, n.p. [cited 3 Oct 2019]. Online: https://www.bibleodyssey.org:443/en/people/related-articles/jesus-and-politics

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    • Hugh Johns on April 30, 2020 at 6:43 am

      Anonymous, I do agree with you but would like to add. When someone says “Don’t talk about religion or politics” to keep the peace my response is there is nothing more important to talk about than Jesus. Furthermore, as an American I am grateful that over 50 God fearing signers of The Declaration of Independence were students of the Bible and prayerfully sought Gods will while preaching and offering political guidance from the pulpit. 170 plus years later President Lyndon Johnson sought revenge for losing a senate race and devised the tactic to shut down political voices from the pulpit by supporting a bill to establish tax free status for churches as nonprofit organizations but required their silence in political discussions. In contrast, the Declaration signers knew they were signing their own death warrant by choosing to fight for their political beliefs that supported God given rights. Their voice’s from the pulpit led to the creation of the Republic that became a beacon of hope throughout the world. As christians we are called to be salt and light and while we each get it wrong so often God allows us all free will. Yet because of our Fathers immeasurable grace He continues to pursue us that none should be lost.

    • William on May 21, 2020 at 2:49 am

      Where in the Bible is this stated? Not an interpretation or type or shadow? Give me a verbatim scripture, book and verse.

      • William on May 21, 2020 at 2:50 am

        I was referring to where in the Bible does it give us the mandate to be political. Thanks.

  68. Gail on February 5, 2019 at 1:06 am

    Thanks.

  69. C. on January 29, 2019 at 11:05 am

    Carey Nieuwhof, You say in the Heading what the Church” needs to stop doing, but every numbered point you talk about you mention individual persons who are doing the things that should stop. Not once did you site ‘The Church” as a whole.

    I think a more accurate title to your dissertation should be “What people, who claim to be Christian, Should Stop Doing.”

    I think “The Church” needs to be everywhere people are, to proclaim the good news. So as for the internet or the media, that is where the people are, so too “The Church”. Why even you are on the internet!

  70. pilgarlic on December 28, 2018 at 12:04 am

    Stop your hierarchy wearing funny and expensive clothing and hats as a power play and personal vanity. It’s got nothing to do with your charter.

    • Christian weirdo on September 6, 2019 at 12:51 am

      True, and good Lord, I love my Lord! But there is no Lord. I’m only tied into a serious philosophy and not the idiotic Reformation of the church which Christ seeked to abolish! The true Christian is an individual, the individual stands alone.

  71. Cheryl Gray on December 18, 2018 at 6:36 am

    I firmly believe that many times if a person feels judged by a Christian, it’s because they’re projecting. For example the outsider might say things like:

    You’re a Christian and I’m not therefore you

    – think you’re better than me
    – must think I’m a bad person
    – have a right to point out all my sins
    – think it’s your responsibility to save me
    – think I’m going to hell even though I’m a good person and try to live a good life without hurting
    anybody.

    Ok, they don’t say it as stiffly as that, but you get my drift. It can be their own conscience and hangups that make them feel judged when they’re not.

    A real life (but not Christian) example of this projected or perceived judgment concerns alcohol. I drink maybe once a year, sometimes not even that much. If I’m out with friends or at a party, people who know I don’t drink will often try to encourage me to have one. Why? To make me feel part of the group? No, because I already do and am happy with my water or juice. Because if I’m drinking then I won’t silently be judging them? Yes, absolutely. My not drinking makes them believe I am judging and looking down on them. I’ve even been introduced to other people at the party, as “Beth this is Cheryl. She doesn’t drink either.”

    On the point of politics: You stated, “Your job is to share the Gospel, not to change the government,” and “Jesus and Paul spend surprisingly little time trying to influence the government.” So Churches should not try petition governments who are introducing abortion laws, amending them to allow full-term terminations, introduce euthinasia laws or assisted suicide laws? Churches shouldn’t get invovled in the protest against same sex marriage or lobby the government against the introduction of programs that sexualise students in our schools? Really? Does not God charge us to speak for those who cannot speak for themselves? Proverbs 31 : 8-9 New International Version (NIV)

    8 Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute.
    9 Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy.

    • Alana on March 11, 2019 at 8:27 am

      Yes well said! The bible even says to pray for our leaders. If we as Christians are living under a tyrannical and Christian hating government we are going to be greatly affected and possibly killed for spreading the gospel (which Jesus said would happen). So therefore I believe government has a great deal to do with our ability to witness to the unsaved but regardless, that is our calling as believers in Christ. The abortion laws to name one of many desperately need to be opposed by believers. Are we not God’s mouthpiece to protect the rights of the unborn. Also euthanasia ( or legalised killing of humanity) laws passed by government need to be opposed by Christians. I’ve said my piece for now.

    • Sharon Morgan on April 2, 2019 at 8:58 am

      Honesty, I do believe murder is something someone would think of for a really long time before he/she becomes a murderer .
      And how do we protest against this things by marching when it’s In your bible that it must come to pass. We can still encourage those we run into about the Bible references to such sins in order to save them but the Bible makes it clear that those things we see today are inevitable

    • Shay Banks on April 2, 2019 at 9:02 am

      And as a Christian, it’s his/her responsibility to preach to a non Christian hereby trying to save them(its Jesus who does the saving part)
      And of course a non Christian is going to hell even though he’s living a good, non sinful life. As far as he/she doesn’t accept christ, I’m sorry but the person is going to HELL

      • James on June 4, 2019 at 5:35 pm

        ….WHAT? If a non Christian is living a good non sinful life? How is that even possible????? Only Christ didn’t sin??? Hell is for the devil and his fallen angels, the wages of sin for God’s children is DEATH, not eternal suffering. Wow

    • Jack Jackson on April 28, 2019 at 9:58 pm

      Cheryl, you are wise, and you are right! According to the way I interpret God’s Word. We are NOT called to sit idly by and allow evil to run unchecked. Thank you, Jack

    • Christian weirdo on September 6, 2019 at 12:58 am

      Be an individual, the aesthetic life of seducing women will get me under the bed covers. For rationality is good, and rationality is not good when the person seeks to be rational, but it’s good when I’m rational. Am I making a lot of sense? I never go out, and am ashamed of the public downsizing me for the very behaviour of mine, to even think I’m a freak, which is not my nature. My task is to stamp out/put a halt to the typical Christianity, instead of them uniting, to make them individuals. A religion with sugar is a religion that’s mushy, and I will abolish it!

      • Will on January 20, 2020 at 5:07 am

        Satan you are Rebuked in Jesus Name!

    • Ruth on January 30, 2021 at 10:23 am

      Cheryl, these are some very good points in learning how to be sensitive when seeking opportunities to share the Good News about Jesus Christ.

  72. DP on November 25, 2018 at 8:49 pm

    Another stupid thing to stop doing: stop criticizing Christians for being human. Everyone is learning and on their own journey spiritually. If you are so tolerant, then BE tolerant and try to focus on their message or communication. I’ ve got news for you, the church IS political because it IS part of the world. If you vote for political candidates that uphold anti-Christian values, then you are a hypocrite essentially. The world does not come in compartmentalized political, cultural and religious boxes to be neatly stored away and ignored depending on where you are. Being a conservative Christian, I would not want to be led by a progressive/liberal pastor as our values on many levels would clash. I see nothing wrong with that either. Everyone is entitled to believe, worship and lead in the manner they choose.

  73. BRENDA GAL on November 16, 2018 at 8:16 pm

    i do not get close to any christians thaey are very ignorant and uneducations nit wits !

    • Rose on November 27, 2018 at 12:12 pm

      Yes sometimes Christians CAN be ignorant and uneduacated, but thats doesnt mean we are perfect. We are just as like the world. We can try our best to be perfect but we never will. All we can really do is try to show god’s love as a example and show others the hope god has for us unlike perfect beings, as sinners.

      May god be with u . God bless.

      • Christian weirdo on September 6, 2019 at 1:05 am

        Give me a break! God is not a loving entity! But an angry, vindictive man. What I’m experiencing is no miracle, because there’s no such things as miracles unless it’s miracles in nature. Nothing miraculous has happened to me except the day I saw an overflowing river, which is beautiful. I’m the one who’s perfect, because I’m fancy and refined. It’s not about love and eliminating evil and doing good that’s the Christian doctrine, it’s about being an individual. It’s not the church that needs to be reformed, but the personality needs to be revised.

    • William McGhee on January 21, 2019 at 3:20 pm

      Thanks for the transparency. So very appropriately put!

    • Mystery on March 13, 2019 at 9:53 am

      DId you just click on this blog post, because you thought it would be ripping on the church? Not all Christians are stupid, and not all are smart. To you, stupidity might be a common occurrence among Christians, but you need to judge Christians individually. You used a generalization when in reality there are a lot of smart Christians.

    • Jack Jackson on March 19, 2019 at 5:37 pm

      Uneducations nit wits? Sort of says it all.

    • Queen on April 21, 2019 at 2:00 pm

      Thus, the “thaey” and “uneducations” WOW! Now, that’s funny!

  74. Chidozie on July 22, 2018 at 7:26 am

    I am naturally a very critical person and I have been trying to work on that. I feel the nudge of God’s Holy Spirit to change and adopt a more mature Christian character in that regard. So when I read this article, it really ministered to me. I have also read all the discussion with keen interest and I admire the maturity of all participants regardless of widely divergent views. However, I would like to highlight a number of points.

    1. The Old Testament which constitutes more than one third of the entire Bible was about sin, warnings and judgement versus righteousness (by the law), repentance and mercy. Most of the prophets were sent with specific damning messages for individuals and the nation of Israel. Elijah was so vocal in condemning the activities of Ahab and Jezebel that he almost lost his life. I am aware that the circumstances are exactly the same now as then, but God has not changed.
    2. The Lord Jesus dedicated one of his longest sermons to the denunciation of the Pharisees. If a pastor preached that message today, he would be labelled seditious and unchristian.
    3. The great Apostle Paul exhibited a measure of critical and controversial tendencies as evidenced by his epistles. He quarreled with Barnabas, scolded Peter openly and even went ahead to include the incidence in his Epistle to the Galatians, denounced the cretians in his Epistle to Titus (the Cretians are always liars, evil beasts, slow belies – Titus 1:12) and many other such instances.
    4. The world critizes the church sometimes rightly but most times wrongly. The world wants the church to change but is not willing to change itself. The worst mistake the body of Christ can make is to hope for the world’s acceptance. Our Lord Jesus was not accepted by the world and he warned his followers not to expect the world to love them – “If the world hate you, yea know that it hated me before it hated you” – John 15:18. There is somebody in the world (Satan) who cannot reconcile with the ONE in us, hence the never-ending conflict. We are not sent to be united with the world, but to win them over, not with enticing words of men’s wisdom but by the power of the gospel faithfully delivered.
    5. God has made each of us unique and we are to submit our individual characteristics to God (the great porter) for his moulding and glorious use. God used confrontational Elijah, “insurbodinate” Mordecai, weeping Jeremiah, calculative Daniel, impulsive Peter, amiable John, cynical Paul, etc to accomplish His divine purpose. While some people feel it’s their duty to beat everybody into God’s plummet, others feel that they can only use their example to point others to Christ – everyone according to his own gift and calling.
    6. I believe that it’s not proper for godly men and women to look the other way while their countries are burning. To watch the future of a whole generation being obliterated and feel no urge to cry out or do something mitigative is baffling. The books of Jeremiah and Lamentation were dedicated to satyrical and bitter outbursts of a concerned citizen and messenger. Jeremiah was hated and conspired against by the king and his princes. The principle hasn’t changed, neither has the devil.
    6. Having said all these, I believe that the only way to save our generation and safeguard posterity is by faithfully living rigtheouly and actively preaching / teaching the WORD. Who knows, the Lord might leave behind a peace offering.

    • Ruth on January 30, 2021 at 10:27 am

      Wow, Chidozie, you need to have your own blog and try getting these words of wisdom you shared to more people in the Body of Christ. This is the message we need, stated differently and better in some ways than the article above.

  75. Don on July 11, 2018 at 11:08 am

    #4 has been a big one for me for a long time. I’m always amazed at and amused by Christians who vehemently reject the use of alcohol, tobacco and marijuana. And yet they are obese. Gluttony is an enormous one ignored by the church in general.

  76. Helmut on July 1, 2018 at 10:49 pm

    Sometimes people confuse judging with constructive feedback. In what spirit has the feedback been given should determine if it was judgmental or genuine concern.

    • DP on November 25, 2018 at 8:42 pm

      Sometimes people do not want to hear the truth. There is an old Spanish saying, ‘those that speak the truth, speak to themselves’. It is wrong for the church to bend to the world’s ways and even Christ advised, ‘be in the world, but not OF the world’. Those that criticize Christians should look at themselves too, for signs of rejecting the Lord God, and rigidity in not being open to Christians who want to share the Word. If they are so tolerant, they should start acting like it.

  77. Dean on July 1, 2018 at 7:06 am

    Equating more bodies, bucks, buildings and busy-ness with church health.

    • Don on July 11, 2018 at 11:05 am

      Of course, unless the more bodies, bucks and buildings means more people are being introduced to, and then following, Jesus Christ. If that is the goal, then those things are huge positives, not stupid at all.

  78. Jan Nirri on June 30, 2018 at 8:24 am

    So appreciate this article Carey. Much needed. Some of these things I’ve had to work on a lot. What stands out to me the most is pride and arrogance which really plays into all five things you mentioned. I’m just as guilty, though improving by God’s grace. Information can be helpful, but can also be another form of power we hold over others. If we truly want to reach others and love them like Christ then we must understand where the person is coming from first… this speaks to relationship. This means loving others different from us, accepting them where they are in their journey to learn about Christ, and continuing to love them whether they ever come around to accepting Christ or not.

    I love what you said about not being the judge Carey. I taught my daughters this concept years ago… if one saw the other sister doing something dangerous they were to tell me about it and I would handle it, but their job was to love their sister. My job was to discipline behavior. They are best friends to this day.

    I saw a sign on a church one time: “As Christians, your job is to love everyone, I’ll sort them out when they get here! Love God”

    • DP on November 25, 2018 at 8:55 pm

      Christ also stated, if you see someone doing wrong, admonish them and attempt to restore them to righteousness; if they still refuse, have nothing to do with them, so you do not become involved in their corruption. I am sorry but discernment is very important and judging is not a bad thing. How else would anyone know to stay away from trouble and those that would bring chaos to your life? It is not just about love, but discernment, and helping others to know the way.
      Progressives and liberals believes in love only, with no admonishment from anyone because they want to be able to do whatever they want and be approved of for it…that really is not what Christ or God teaches us via scriptures.

      • Zed on April 15, 2019 at 2:41 am

        If God is to judge me, let them judge me — frankly spoken, your opinion of the matter doesn’t matter in the slightest.

  79. Jeff Lincoln on June 30, 2018 at 6:51 am

    Great article! I have one to add… stop making decisions based on how major donors will respond. Do what the Holy Spirit is leading you confirmed by scripture.

    • Kim Weiss on June 30, 2018 at 4:45 pm

      Amen!

  80. Dion on June 30, 2018 at 5:56 am

    Carey, boy did you nail it with this one, it so resonates with me. Thanks for sharing:

    “Christians, the world has a judge. And it’s not you. He’s fairer than you. More just than you. More perfect than you. And far more accurate. In the meantime, do your best to help reconcile your brothers and sister in the world to their heavenly father through Christ. That’s your job.”

    • Mike Holcomb on June 30, 2018 at 9:55 am

      Jesus tells us in Matthew 7:6 “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.”
      Just came across this post and, although I agree with most of what I’ve read, I feel I must remind everyone who claims to be a Christian that we are to act like a Christian. I’m a little sadden that today’s Christians have “caved” into the world’s standards. If things are going on in the world that are contrary to God’s Word, we are to be HIS mouth pieces. How can wrong be made right unless it is brought to the surface? How can darkness come to “light” unless it sees light? Jesus said we are to be the Salt and Light of the Earth.
      I know I’ll be attacked (by Christians without a backbone) when I speak out against such topics as abortion, standing for the Pledge of Allegiance, casting your lots before swine , etc… BUT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE! It is a dangerous thing not to speak out against evil. Sure, Jesus said in Matthew 7 to “judge not”, but He didn’t stop there. The very next thing He says is to first “remove the plank from your own eye and not be a hypocrite.” In other words… Judge clearly and righteously.
      How can a Christian ever be a police officer if they can’t judge? How can a Christian ever be on a jury if they can’t judge? Are Christians to be okay with heathens of the world to be the only ones to judge others? C’mon Christians… wake up and smell the evil!
      We are commanded to judge as long as it is done righteously and through love for others to “see the Light.”
      1 Corinthians 6:2-3, Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?

      • Jeff Courter on June 30, 2018 at 9:33 pm

        Sorry, Mike, nothing in the entire Bible commands us to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. Love of our country, if placed above love of God, is idolatry. In fact, God did not even command Israel to love their country – they were to love God. That was all.
        As far as judging, I think James sums it up well: “Whoever speaks evil against another or judges another, speaks evil against the law and judges the law, but if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is one lawgiver and judge who is able to save and to destroy. So who, then, are you to judge your neighbor?” – James 4:11-12

    • Darryl on August 13, 2018 at 10:50 am

      1 Corinthians 6:2-6 (KJV)
      6:2 (KJV) Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
      3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
      4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
      5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
      6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.

    • M. Carol Clifton DeMott on October 24, 2018 at 8:51 pm

      Amen. I pray every morning, every night. I no longer go to church. When my church started building a new church and has to have $100,000 for a cross on a wall. The true God would not approve. He would be just hoping people would be praying, helping others and celebrating life. I miss church but I can’t give to an organization that cry’s out for money At every twist and turn. You pay no taxes, own land all over the world, push political agenda on parish members. Enough! God is showing his wrath on us thru nature. He is angry because he brought us here. Pray my friends.

      • Helmut on October 26, 2018 at 1:19 pm

        Carol, your concern as to the extravagant cost for the cross may be justified. A number of factors will come into the equation as to the cost for same. The cost may appear extravagant, however to leave the church suggest a lack of maturity and stability. The church needs your voice of reasoning as how the finances are handled. I suggest that Carol go back to the church and be a positive influence to the pastor, church board, building committee and the congregation. As to the cross, I applaud the church for installing a cross on the wall. Some modern styled churches have removed the cross from their sanctuary and replaced it with dull, unimpressive background or a large screen where the cross used to be. The cross, to me, is a symbol of how much it cost for Christ to redeem me and show me His amazing love. I wish that modern styled services would once again sing the powerful song “The old rugged cross”.

      • Samuel Nangole on January 2, 2019 at 4:36 am

        Funny that you believe prayer is a substitute for Church. Please go back to church because the church is run by human beings. in heaven you will find the perfect church headed by Christ Himself.

    • Stanley Dove on April 22, 2019 at 2:30 am

      I’m so glad I read the Scriptures for myself. We are to “Judge”.The Scripture ask a question, ? 2Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged “by you”, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 1 Cor 6:2 You were saying??????? “PLEASE SHUT UP. If you want to reply “raise your hand. Give Verse with chapter , to make your point valid because, right now you look dumb.

      • just a hypocrite on March 3, 2020 at 11:11 am

        Fruit of a spirit right here.

  81. Peggy on April 28, 2018 at 9:41 am

    Hi pastor.
    3 years ago I was going to a church in ILL.
    For about 2 years.
    They celebrated Halloween.
    I knew it was wrong because we are light not Darkness.
    So I talked to the pastor the last year I was there, and I asked him if they were going to do Halloween at church again?
    He said yes, I got off the internet and I prayed.
    God told me to leave the church because of it, still I got back on the internet and I told the pastor did I was quitting the church.
    Because God was pulling me out.
    I really loved the people their and the former Pastor that was there the year before.
    I got back online and I told him I was quitting the church, he said “i have the authority to stop you” I said no God wants me out of it.
    He then came at me and told me ” I will amolish you before the whole church”
    I told him it’s an abominationto partake in Satan’s night.
    “He said it’s the only night to pass out tracks”
    I said no we have 364 days to do that, and we’re not to be in darkness or allow it in the church.
    “He said I was a Pharisee and into self righteousness”.
    I said I am obeying God on this.
    “He said I see no wrong in it”, I was going to say maybe that’s the problem you should see it through God’s eyes.
    But the Lord stopped me because I am not his judge.
    I am in a good church now that don’t do that nor Easter but they still do Christmas.
    That’s the pagan ways and we’re not to follow it.
    Like God says in Jeremiah 10:1_5 God warn them to not go in to that country and pick up their traditions like the tree, and nail it to word so it stands up straight as a palm tree and they Adorn it with silver and gold.
    He’s also showing even a tree can be an idle.
    So I stayed away for 2 months when they did that.
    They put a huge tree right by the cross, and them out door angels with big wings ugh.
    I can’t do pagan traditions at all.
    To God the are an abomination. 😞

    • theartist on July 2, 2018 at 1:50 pm

      Hi Peggy,

      I personally turn Halloween into a “Hallowed” eve. When children and parrents come to my door, I give out age appropriate Gospel Tracts inside ziplock bags of treats. I also give an Adult Tract to their parents. I have special Gospel Tracts (with treats)for the teens that come to my door. I have been doing this for over ten years. Halloween is one of the BEST ways to reach children. This is the only day where dozens of children can be reached to the glorry of God.

      I am not CELEBRATING Halloween. I believe, however, that the Lord is using me to
      “Turn Evil into Good.”

      So far, over 1,000 children has received the Gospel. I can’t wait to get to Glory to see how many children received Christ as Saviour (and prayerfully became Disciples) as a result.

      I turn on my lights and open my gate and the children see this as an invitation to ring my bell.
      I turn on my lights and open my gate and see this as an invitation for them to receive Christ.

      Thanks.

      • theartist on July 2, 2018 at 1:52 pm

        CORRECTION:
        I actually meant that
        This is the ONLY day where you can share Christ with dozens of children in your community-without leaving your home

        • Ruth on January 30, 2021 at 10:46 am

          Very good theartist. I also dislike and understand the attraction of the dark side of Halloween. However it is also a day when your neighborhood gets together to socialize. So I agree with you and see it as an outreach opportunity. I may not have another chance to meet my neighbors, young and old. It’s a chance for developing relationships, just like Jesus would do. He went out to where they were, talked to them about the truth using their everyday jobs or activities as illustrations, and didn’t expect them to be attracted to himself. So if you find out what Halloween means to someone else, you can apply their answer to a gospel message just for them.

      • Disagree on March 13, 2019 at 9:58 am

        Hi, you are right that Halloween is a perfect time to spread the Bible, but Halloween isn’t an EVIL holiday like you said it was. God never said in the Bible that it is bad, so it isn’t. It’s okay for Christian families ,and people to celebrate Halloween.

    • becky on March 5, 2019 at 11:36 am

      i am with you peggy

  82. Diane Burke on April 11, 2018 at 3:24 pm

    I accidentally stumbled on this post and was so gratified. I agree with every word you said. I can absolutely guarantee that if there were more representatives of Christianity like yourself there would be more Christians.

    • Janice on June 30, 2018 at 8:52 am

      I agree that the church must stop accepting evil as good in order to not judge or protect feelings that may cause a non believer to leave. There is much in the world that has no affect on us but within the church: we have got to get it right according to scripture. For instance: there can not be “yoga” classes. Your emphasis may be prayer or meditation to the One true God and some stretching out exercises but the connotation is Eastern Religion. What fellowship does Satan have with God? You do not celebrate Easter you say. I sure hope you are celebrating, Resurrection Sunday! That is the single most important event that has happened in the entire history since God created man as far as impacting us as humans! Because Jesus gave His own life as payment for the sins of those who will receive Him AND HE rose again; we can be forgiven and be given eternal life with Him. Now that IS surely worth celebrating!!

      • Elizabeth Farah on November 23, 2018 at 12:49 am

        Actually, Messiah told us to “do this in remembrance of me” — he was referring to his death, not his resurrection. He asked us to keep Passover which is a feast of Yehovah. Don’t get me wrong, the resurrection is just as important but, Jesus said to keep the Passover and celebrate his death–so, why do we not obey His clear command? I believe it is because tradition in the body is often more important than the Scripture and the commands of God and also, tradition is taught as the commands of God. Christians often have a “light-bulb” moment when they realize that they are keeping traditions as commands–at this point, we are set free. Traditions are fine as long as they do not pretend to be commands, do not distract or point away from true commands of God. Leaders of the Catholic church came up with a calculation for the timing of Easter. Ever notice how much it moves around? Why? Because it is intended to NEVER land on the day that the Lord really requires us to commemorated–Passover. The spirit behind this should raise red flags in anyone walking in the Spirit. How much did they have to hate the Jews to reject God’s instruction and make sure that no one would even accidentally keep the commandment to keep Passover.

      • WHAt on March 13, 2019 at 10:02 am

        I’m Christian and I do yoga how am I sinning? Yoga used to be used for religious purposes, but nowadays people of all religions are free to exercise and relax. Just like how Christmas used to just be celebrated by Christians, but know people of all cultures and religions celebrate. Is that so bad?

  83. Pastor Randy Ross on February 22, 2018 at 11:16 am

    Thanks for your excellent thoughts. I so agree with your commentary. I think balance is the key. We do look like an angry lot at times (as do all segments of our society). We certainly have the right as citizens of this great nation to comment politically on the affairs that affect us, without fear. But, we have a higher calling and a citizenship that is greater and eternal. That is what we need to keep in mind when we present our ideas to a world that may not understand our perspective and has preconceived ideas about our dearly held truths. First and foremost , as His representatives, it is His reputation and honor that we must protect as we make our declarations. We write with anonymity online. If we wouldn’t say it lovingly to someone face to face maybe we shouldn’t say it at all. Keep up the good work.

    • Kenny Falco on March 30, 2018 at 7:44 am

      Amen.

    • theartist on July 2, 2018 at 2:57 pm

      In the State of Illinois, I a personally fighting two bills: Illinois Senate Bill 3249 and Illinois House Bill 5996. But as a Christian-I am the Citizen of two worlds.

      Is it not my duty to protest the fact
      (and as a grandmother of four) that our Politicans are attempting to vote in a policy “cirriculum” requiring every child in the state of Illinois to “become proficient in LGBTQ history or NOT graduate from the eight grade” unto they do so.

      I firmly belive that as more Christian become visible and more vocal in the public square -from the Local school Councils, to Precint Captains and beyond-that laws like these cannot be slipped under the rug-but challenged OPENLY AND UNASHAMEDLY.

      I cannot “change” the Government, but “The prayers of the righteous” can certainly alter the course of government.

      “Goverments must not be allowed to force persons to express a message contrary to their deepest convictions. Freedom of speech secures freedom of thought and belief.”

      (Retiring Supreme Court Judge Anthony Kennedy).
      And this quote is from a pro-LGBTQ Supreme Court Justice

      Thanks Carey!!

  84. George Henderson on January 28, 2018 at 8:21 pm

    Regarding the author’s statement “When your church becomes a mouthpiece for a political party, you cease to be the church.Your job is to share the Gospel, not to change the government.”, I would caution that there is an error here in the perception of what is the church, namely he is confusing the pastoral pulpit with the church and its message. The church is the totality of all Christians and all that they say and do, and our business is not “church” at all, but being salt and light in the world. Church meetings are merely preparation for that business, and the church and church meetings are not at all the same thing! Christians occupy many roles in society, and all of us in America occupy the role of being a citizen of this country. For this reason we pay taxes, vote, and respond to being drafted into the military. But the author’s same logic, one could argue that Christians should not raise children “because the church’s job is the Gospel, not raising children”. But it is certainly the job of Christian PARENTS to raise children. Again, church meetings and the church are not the same thing, and I find that many of our churches get so wrapped up doing their own thing that they lose sight of that, then then next thing you know they’re forgetting that Christians have responsibilities out in society as per role, and glorify God from those roles, with their unique access, powers, and restraints.

  85. Rema on January 23, 2018 at 11:00 pm

    One problem is that many Christians are in it to feel good about themselves. They learn about Christ, get baptized, and then -poof! You never see them except on Sundays or Church outings. It’s very important to keep studying not just what happened during Christ’s life, but also after.
    Paul’s letters to the gentile churches are very helpful/insightful in living the rest of your life being right with God.
    I didn’t even realize I was being a horrible, self-righteous, ‘do-no-wrong’ Christian until I followed up my studies years after I was baptized.

    • Charles on January 8, 2019 at 11:54 pm

      What is said here is true.When you get baptized so many things can happen.I have testimony on that.I was Baptized on 2nd September 2018.Unfortunately,after baptism,my wife got angry and for that,she decided to leave me.After baptism,I am living alone.It is very difficult to be a christian,after accepting Jesus as your savior,you harvest divorce and everlasting stress.The only solution to keep on living with my wife is to give up on Jesus.I mean to leave the Church wich baptized in the water.

  86. […] And often we shoot ourselves in the foot, with everything from Pharisee-like self-righteousness to downright stupid things Christians do (here are 5). […]

  87. Angelo Wenceslaus on November 23, 2017 at 2:16 am

    Christians anđ and muslims are generally people who have been taught from their childhood (like I was) to not use common sense, and to not think rationally/logically by the church. The reason is purely to prevent them from realizing that God is myth. Nevertheless, Atheists, Christians or Muslims, we all err. The Church can help by helping science eliminate the genes that are responsible for our jealousy and greed.
    But even if it was possible, would they?

  88. Angelo Wenceslaus on November 23, 2017 at 2:12 am

    Christians and muslims are generally people who have been taught from their childhood (like I was) to not use common sense, and to not think rationally/logically by the church. The reason is purely to prevent them from realizing that God is myth. Nevertheless, Atheists, Christians or Muslims, we all err. The Church can help by helping science eliminate the genes that are responsible for our jealousy and greed.
    But even if it was possible, would they?

  89. Bruce on October 9, 2017 at 11:56 am

    Christians should stop lying …they talk about forgiveness, being non-judgemental…yet that’s what they continue to do. They say ” I’ll call you this week” the call never comes … let’s get together sometime… what’s the definition of sometime? I wish they would stop lying… giving false hope, false love and false care… why don’t they just say they are not interested in anyone who isn’t like them.. that they don’t want to hang out with you… why don’t they just tell you their lives are busy and they dont have room for anyone new … esp those who are hurting… why don’t they just say their homes are closed to not-yet-believers instead of lying saying come visit sometime. I’m tired of being lied to… please just stop.

    • Maria on March 4, 2018 at 5:22 am

      Thanks Bruce, that is a timely reminder and I’m sorry if you have had Christians do that to you, unfortunately we are very fallible and don’t always reflect Jesus like we should. 🙁

  90. Patty Reamy on June 27, 2017 at 9:33 am

    My husband is an armor bearer and one thing we both see is when the same few established church members will consume the pastor’s time following the service. Every. Week. They need to make an appointment to see him or invite them out to lunch. The time after service needs to be when the pastor can greet visitors.

  91. Esther on June 25, 2017 at 5:49 am

    Yes. Yes! YES!!!
    I hope a lot of people read this and truly consider the points you make.
    Thank you!

  92. Lorraine on June 25, 2017 at 5:37 am

    I would add, get to know people as people instead of assuming you know what they believe. I came from a slightly different religion and I cannot count the number of mainstream and evangelical Christians who have spoke about my former religion, claiming to know what they believe. Most of them were wrong. Some spoke of things only a few believe, others were flat out wrong. I accepted Christ but had a hard time with many Christians because they didn’t bother to ask me what I believed. I was a project for conversion instead of a person worth getting to know. Jesus didn’t force anyone to be a Christian or follow his teachings. He allowed them the free will to choose. He offered love to those outside his religion. That’s the guy I am following.

    • Esther on October 24, 2021 at 4:13 pm

      <3

  93. Jack Dinkmeyer on June 24, 2017 at 3:45 pm

    My view {take it or leave it}:

    1) Stop using religion as a club, pounding what are often bizarre, kindergarten beliefs into our heads–the rest of us don’t give a damn about what you believe or don’t believe;

    2) When you ask Jesus what to do, you are making him the fall guy for your refusal to take responsibility for yourself–plus, if his “advice” goes wrong, you have someone to blame.

    3) Throughout history more evil has been inflicted on mankind in the name of religion than all the pestilences, natural disasters, and wars–combined.

    4) If churches continue substituting politics over religion so loudly and enthusiastically–it’s time to tax everything religious.

    • Lance on July 3, 2018 at 5:49 pm

      1) It is funny how people who are so opinionated about Christians want Christians not to have an opinion.
      2) True Christianity calls people to do the right thing and suffer for it, so it is not about who is to blame.
      3) Actually more people have died from atheism almost 400 million according to Wikipedia. Communism purposed to do away with all who did not believe like them. Far more than any religious people.
      4) I don’t believe politics belongs in the pulpit, but that said, please see #1. When the government reimburses the church for the cost of our youth and social programs then they can tax what is left over. Ever heard of United Way a secular group? Less than 50% actually goes to the intended charity? Their CEO makes $1,236,611.00 do they pay taxes on all that comes in?

  94. Sarah Barnes on June 3, 2017 at 11:11 pm

    Excellent piece. These are definitely the problems I have with the many of the people I know who profess their Christianity to me. I find the first one to be very annoying. I am so frustrated by people who feel the need to hit me over the head with their religion every day on Facebook. I always question those who say “God has answered my prayers” when things turn out the way they want it to. God has also answered your prayers when you didn’t get into the university of your choice, or your sister has had a relapse of her cancer or your Father has died. He just didn’t give you the answer you were seeking.

  95. Jon Perrin on March 6, 2017 at 8:42 pm

    Great article, Carey! If we would engage church outsiders with the goodness of God rather than judgment, more of them would be interested in what we have to say.

    • Frank Hopkins on November 26, 2017 at 3:40 am

      I agree so much on the judgmental part. It’s too many times like a country club as was mentioned instead of a place for the wounded to seek shelter and love for the hurting.

      We should be all about serving and physically showing the love of Christ to our communities. And I really can’t stand it when someone says “I’ll pray for you”. Most of the time it doesn’t happen.

  96. diana on March 6, 2017 at 1:53 am

    In my experience most christians are decent people who love God and do their best.

  97. Paul Carter on March 4, 2017 at 1:00 pm

    A lot of good thoughts here Carey, well shared. Like you I share a concern for the overt politicization of the church – from both the right and the left of the spectrum. We tend to spot the over identification with politics when the church leans right, but we tend not to spot it when the church leans left. When your concern for ecology is more evident than your concern for evangelism you have been co-opted. I also like what you said about social media use. Social Media is the new public square – particularly in Canada when it is too cold to sit in the actual public square 5 months out of the year! Christians should be present with purpose without being “weird” as you say above. I love the rebuke of the “humble brag”. There is so much of that and there needs to be so much less. “So humbled to have won the pastor of the year or book of the month award” – ugh! No one says that in real life and you shouldn’t say it on line. There is nothing wrong with straight up rejoicing – “Hey everyone, I won the sales person of the year award! Wahoo!” That is real, human emotion – go with it rather than trying to cloak it in awkward “Christian-ish” sentiment. Also LOVED the distinction between judging outsiders versus insiders. This one is SO CLEAR in the New Testament. Paul said: “For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.” (1 Corinthians 5:12–13 ESV) Hard to imagine how that could be clearer: practice discipline INSIDE the church, extend grace and mercy OUTSIDE the church. Why do we get that exactly wrong? Appreciate you pointing that out – we need to be reminded. I also appreciated the point about ranking sin. Some sins have greater personal and social costs – of that there can be no doubt – but all sins are significant and there is always the danger of giving our sins a past while we hammer away at the sins of “others”. Good reminder there too. Blessings.

    • M Shaughnessy on July 1, 2018 at 6:19 am

      Thanks for weighing in PC. Article is a good read with some practical application to biblical truth.

  98. Rob Adams on March 4, 2017 at 11:24 am

    1: In other words….be like the world. Don’t talk about God, because you’ll be labeled as one of those three

    2: Yes, we can talk about politics. Politics affect us all. Yes, God is non-partisan, but God does care about what goes on in our country and who’s in leadership.

    5: In other words….don’t call sin “sin” Be like the world. If I’m riding in a car with my friend and he’s driving 60 mph in a 25 mph zone and I tell him to slow down because it’s illegal, that’s ok. If I tell my friend to stop cheating on his wife because it’s wrong….that’s judging. Hmmmmm

    • Sheryl Fulkerson on June 24, 2017 at 3:28 pm

      I agree with you, Rob Adams. We are to be “fruit inspectors.” “You will know them by their fruit.” Call it judging, but Jesus called sin, sin and didn’t sugar coat it to please the Pharisees. We are to love others, no matter what sin they are involved in. But to overlook it when giving someone the Gospel would be like a doctor failing to tell his dying patient, “You have cancer and unless something is done, you will die.” I don’t call that “judging.” I call it loving to tell someone the truth about the need for repentance.

  99. Mike Hassett on January 21, 2017 at 8:38 pm

    You’re right on with your piece! There are so many “Christians” (I was one of them once) who think that being a believer means hating the sin and the sinner, and are great at hitting people over the head with the Bible on hot button issues. Great to have someone like you to point this thing out!

    • Jo Phillips on June 24, 2017 at 6:32 pm

      Pointing put that something is a sin is NOT hating people. When will people start to understand this little truth. It”s not rocket science.

  100. Thomas Holloway on January 15, 2017 at 7:21 am

    Love the lawyer and judge illustration. So true. It’s not our job to judge, but to lead people to Christ. The picture of God as judge and Jesus as our Advocate is one of my favorites in the Bible. There we stand condemned, but our Attorney not only defends us, but takes our place so that we can be pardoned. Love it! Love your blog and you podcast. Thank you for being a blessing to Christian leaders.

    • cynthia on January 15, 2017 at 5:15 pm

      I am sorry but you see that is this is another problem of Christians. you do not have a job. you do not need to “lead” people to anything. What you need to do is look to yourself and work to keep the values of your religion. People can access the information if they are interested. It is everywhere. Because then what is your interpretation of everything and the person should have the same views as you? Let them access all religions, you do not need to recruit like the army. If they wish to follow they will. No, keep to your own walk with whatever and do not lead anyone. Let them follow whatever they wish. You want to educate then educate all religions not just one.

      • Tim on January 16, 2017 at 4:25 pm

        I would disagree . I believe we are commanded to make disciples. If I am to be obedient to Christ, his last instructions on this earth, was to go and make disciples. If I actually believe what I say I believe and do nothing to help others come to know Christ its actually being hateful not loving. It would be like my neighbour having a fatal illness, knowing the cure and leaving them to source the information on their own, rather than sharing what I know … only worse because this involves eternity not a lifetime . I recognize that what i have to share will not always be well received and in fact this is often expected, , we are commanded to do so with humility and love (which yes I agree with this article we often fail miserably in this area) and leave the results to God.

      • Kenneth Mitchell on March 15, 2017 at 9:53 am

        Unfortunately Cynthia, you are incorrect about this. Jesus told us “Then the master told his servant, ‘Go out to the roads and country lanes and compel them to come in, so that my house will be full.” Luke 14:23 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Mark 16:15 and then Paul tells us “But how can they call on him to save them unless they believe in him? And how can they believe in him if they have never heard about him? And how can they hear about him unless someone tells them? And how will anyone go and tell them without being sent? That is why the Scriptures say, “How beautiful are the feet of messengers who bring good news!” Roman 10:14-15

        • cynthia on March 15, 2017 at 10:09 am

          LOL. You are quoting something written in a time when people did not know. OK, TRUST ME it is 2017.PEOPLE know! They can make their own decisions in this information supplied world!!. Stay in your little confined brainwashed system and let people discover what they want for themselves without condemnation, judgement, and bullying. Do you think that telling little children that if they do not behave they will go to hell is right? Scaring them to the point of having nightmares and peeing in the corner of their room because so scared is a good thing??? Strangers do not need to tell my children or anyone what to believe is right or wrong!! You know what there is a multitude of other thoughts in the world. SCIENCE FACT, we actually know since the bible was written. Don’t quote to me from something that has no relevance to today except as in how it tries to control morality.., lol

          • Ihcalam Sirrah on April 30, 2017 at 5:26 am

            So basically you are saying that you are not open to the Christian religion. It is part of the religion, to have faith in Christ is to be his messenger, his follower, that others may likewise follow to the kingdom of God. Christianity has no will to control morals of those who do not believe. We merely try to lead others to the path that is laid out in the bible, to give them a chance to think upon God’s message themselves, repent of and work with on what God speaks with them.



          • Polly on August 11, 2017 at 4:17 am

            Hey Cynthia, if you were that little girl in the corner, I’m really sorry someone did that to you!



  101. Stephanie Numan Scholman on January 15, 2017 at 6:57 am

    I wished I could quote this whole article when I shared it. Thank you! Things that needed to be said. I have gotten to know some atheist colleagues of mine recently, and I have to say, this all rings true. I have had some pretty challenging discussions with them, and I have learned a lot. I believe that sometimes God teaches us through people who are not part of our belief system. He used warring nations to show the Israelites the error of their ways, and I think it’s still possible that He does that even now. I have had my faith tested, challenged, to the point of questioning my own beliefs. I regret none of it, because in the process, I have learned so much about myself, and also about God. I learned about the extent that God will go to to prove His love to those who are searching for him. I learned that if we ask Him, He will prove Himself in inexplicable ways. I learned that my mission here on earth is to know God fully, and intimately, and that if I am to love others, I must learn to love myself. And to know how to do that, I must ask God to show me how He sees me, and not rely on what others say to, and about me. If God truly loves me, more than I can ever comprehend, then I am trying to prove Him wrong by not loving myself. The greatest commandment Jesus gave us was to love the Lord my God with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength. And to love my neighbour as myself. How can I love my neighbour if I don’t love myself?!?!
    To answer your question – What else do I wish the church would do, or stop doing? I wish that Christians would be more willing to explore different interpretations of scripture. Why are we so afraid of looking at what the Bible says from a slightly different angle? Do we always have to be right?! We do ourselves such a disservice when we are so dogmatic in our way of understanding. One thing that stood out in my recent discussions with my friends who reject God, is the fact that Christians are so quick to say no, and reject challenging questions. How is our faith to grow if we have a fixed mindset, rather than a growth mindset? How can we ever learn if we are not allowed to question what we believe? Atheists complain about how we “indoctrinate” our children. What that means to me is that we tell our children what to believe, and how to believe it, and we don’t allow them to think critically. Let them ask questions! And don’t be afraid to say “I don’t know. I will think about that some more.” or “I don’t know, let’s explore that together.” And this goes for having discussions with our peers as well. We need to explore the hard questions. Together. Life is hard. It’s not easy to explain why things are the way they are, or why the bible is so brutal. It’s not easy to explain the genocide we read about in the Old Testament. And frankly, it’s not easy to love each other! Love is beautiful, but it is also very ugly when we allow fear to cloud it. There is no fear in love (from 1 John). Fear and love are both irrational, and unreasonable. The two cannot coexist. Perfect love drives out fear. So don’t be afraid! Love. Love each other. Love those who hurt you. You’ll find that it changes your perspective.

  102. Eric McBride on March 10, 2016 at 8:47 pm

    I followed a link here from a pastor at a church I used to attend. I say this not to be “that guy” but to share my perspective. I no longer believe in God. With that being said, you have hit on several key points that the atheist community uses to berate the “church”. I can’t personally say that #1 has been an issue with Christians I know, but the others are spot on. Well written article. If Christians truly want to grow the church they should take heed of what you have written.

    • Carey Nieuwhof on March 10, 2016 at 8:51 pm

      Eric…thanks for the comment. Man, that’s heartbreaking. I’m sorry for your experience. Have you tried talking to the church you ended up leaving, or another one? I really hope your faith sparks again. I do.

      • Eric McBride on March 10, 2016 at 9:51 pm

        I am sorry, I didn’t want that part of my statement to be paramount. I merely mentioned that for you to understand my perspective for the statement. I really wanted you to take away from this the fact that you addressed key problems with religion today. The issues with the church I attended were only a part of my change in belief. However, I will say this, with your level-headed way of thinking (at least by what I can tell), you are exactly what religion needs today. So once again I give you props!

        • ChuckAddison on March 10, 2016 at 10:08 pm

          Nice to see good people from opposing viewpoints having a logical discussion. Love it. And agreed, great article.

          • Eric McBride on March 10, 2016 at 10:44 pm

            Absolutely. At the end of the day we may not agree with what feel is true regarding religion, but that does not permit us to be disrespectful. In fact, once a month I meet with a group of Christians who sit around, have a beer, and talk about anything that comes to mind. We never get heated with each other. That’s what happens when people don’t act like jerks 🙂



  103. John Waldo on February 21, 2016 at 10:32 am

    Carey – Love the article and the reminders.
    I totally agree that we in the church stink at conflict resolution.

    One thing I’d like to suggest, however, is that we should consider NOT using Matthew 18 as “the” conflict resolution passage. While I’m not saying it can’t “guide” a conflict resolution discussion, Jesus is talking about when “someone sins against you.” Not all conflict is based in sin; sometimes people just disagree.

    There are other passages that speak to how to do conflict (“Let no unwholesome talk come out of your mouths….”, “Be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry”…., “Be at peace with everyone. ..”

    Yes, we need to get better at resolving conflict in the church. And I think there are principles from Matthew 18 that can inform the process. But I think one reason we may do conflict poorly is because we’re not looking at other passages to guide the discussion. Just a thought. …

  104. william jason o'neal on February 12, 2016 at 8:58 pm

    A pastor blocked me on Facebook in 2012. His wife did as well. His wife’s sister however have dated random high profile sinners such as guys that want to be big time. I talked about wanting to sin but tried to hide those posts from him. He never even personally talked to me and knew I wanted to talk with him. They seem like they judge the people like me who struggle in life(no money, no job, no healthy eating) more than those that have those things like what I mentioned above. They may not outwardly judge but their facebook friendslist gives them away or who they simply associate with. I feel its not right.

  105. Suzan D Reed on February 6, 2016 at 4:53 am

    Maybe churches could stop trying to so “authentic” and just be churches. God is eternal, His love is eternal, the Bible is eternal, the message of Jesus dying for our sins is eternal, & the need for repentance is eternal. All of these things are eternal and unchanged. I am so sick of Dumbed down Common Core Christianity.

    • Jo Phillips on June 24, 2017 at 6:41 pm

      Amen Suzanne, All the things you posted are the things that are authentic.

  106. Poodz on January 20, 2016 at 11:06 am

    WOW! Amazing article Carey! The lawyer and judge paragraph is so true.

    • Carey Nieuwhof on January 20, 2016 at 1:52 pm

      Thanks. PS. Love your Instagram pics. That’s you, right?

      • Poodz on February 2, 2016 at 9:20 am

        Haha I just saw this. Yes that’s me, thanks!

  107. Travis Stephens on January 17, 2016 at 5:06 pm

    Hey Carey,
    You say stop judging outsiders and I totally agree, but what about judging insiders. I’m talking to a church that’s having trouble growing and from what I can tell they’re doing a lot of things right. However, they have a strict membership system which requires you to agree to be accountable to the church according to Matthew 18. If you refuse to repent you can no longer be a member. I have limited knowledge of churches who take church discipline this seriously, so I was hoping you could speak to this. Thanks.

    • Carey Nieuwhof on January 17, 2016 at 8:40 pm

      Travis…that’s interesting. Without knowing the details, I’d saying judging insiders is quite biblical. I preferring discerning and helping believers, but there is the idea in Paul’s writing of holding each other accountable by ‘judging’ or discerning the hearts and lives of fellow believers in order to help them stay on the path toward Jesus. Outsiders is really off limits though!

  108. Garry Macintosh on January 16, 2016 at 6:02 pm

    Some really great points Carey, I think the biggest problem by far in the modern church is practitioners whom attribute their worldly successes to God, via either
    blessings or the “anointing”. Let us not forget that long-suffering is a fruit of the spirit. Also, doing so is not only a form of boasting, but may push people away who are going through a rough time as they may feel like God is not with them, or wonder why they aren’t getting a piece of the blessing pie.

    Life can be hard and full of ups and downs. Performance based spirituality that seeks reward for service from God is contrary to the message of hope found in the Gospel. We should be utterly motivated to help others and make a difference out a deep and compelling love for people and God, not out of a desire to seek a particular status or anointing.

    • CASMIR on October 28, 2018 at 10:58 am

      Good one, Garry. They have made me to come to the deadly conlusion that if I’m not rich I’m ‘NOT BORN AGAIN ENOUHG’. But thank God who has helped me to stand firm in the midst of their intimidation. Your comment is reasuring to me. Thanks.

  109. Wesley on January 16, 2016 at 11:46 am

    the worst sin a church or “Christian” can commit is to misrepresent Christ and God. that is why God judge Israel so severely although the nations around them were involved in more debauchery then them. Christ told his followers that to whom much is given much is required.

  110. Jason on January 3, 2016 at 4:23 pm

    About a year ago, I started attending church with my girlfriend. I have never been much of a believer, and still consider myself to be “on the fence”. I don’t mind going to church though, because it’s important to her and I want to support that. But nearly every Sunday I find myself almost resenting certain things that our minister says. One day in particular, he delivered an entire sermon that was laced with subtly masogynistic comments. He was talking about (in a very old-world fashion) the role that a woman should strive for in a mans life. I’m almost 30, and this guy isn’t much older than me. To someone already a little weary of religion, it is certainly discouraging. Especially when I’m trying to be more open minded about faith. And I also think that, being in an influential leadership position, he should be a little more mindful of what he’s saying.

    • Carey Nieuwhof on January 3, 2016 at 4:55 pm

      Thanks for sharing this Jason. Missing the implications of our words on people like you is definitely something we should all pay attention to.

    • Peter Skov on January 16, 2016 at 6:07 pm

      Hi Jason. Thank you for your honesty. I know what I write will be a tough challenge, because your girlfriend probably has friends in her church, but I’d really encourage you to see if there could be other churches in the area that have a better way to explain things? I might be able to help with that. Write me on peter@skov.cc and I’ll see what I can find in your city 🙂

  111. John Miller on January 2, 2016 at 8:00 am

    Wow Carey! Thanks for writing this! I appreciate your input and hope that people will truly live confessing his or her own sin because its easy, even for me, to start thinking “I know who NEEDS to read this!” What if we live these principles and make it the culture of each of our local churches? I can only imagine a place where people can come to belong and set free rather than a place ether you need to meet certain requirements to belong. Thanks again Carey!

    • Carey Nieuwhof on January 2, 2016 at 9:11 am

      Thanks John…that’s so true. The look inward is always the toughest. Good for you!

  112. Krys VanSlyke (VS) on November 16, 2015 at 7:52 am

    Agreed. I would add ignoring/villainizing science.
    Much of Genesis is clearly poem and not to be taken literally. Insisting on a young earth makes it harder for others to take the rest of your case seriously.

    • RWilliams on January 19, 2016 at 10:42 am

      Would you say the same about the resurrection? Insisting on that is quite a claim. thoughts?

      • Krys VanSlyke (VS) on February 3, 2016 at 1:05 pm

        I guess since there is no body to point to, I’m a little less particular about arguing the physical evidence on that one 😉

    • Cheryl on February 3, 2016 at 12:10 pm

      Krys, I don’t have any problem with people believing in the literal or the poetic jist of Genesis, why should you? Isn’t Protestantism great for promoting the individual relationship one has with our Creator? I don’t see one single comment here from a Christian criticizing scientists or their theories, but I did find your comment. What do you believe? Do you believe it enough to teach in love, mercy, and forgiveness? Then do that. If not, that’s okay too. Those values and beliefs are yours and Genesis is not clearly a poem to everyone. Love your God with all your heart, mind and soul and love your neighbour as yourself. If you’ve got that as first goals, then whether some people take Genesis literally or figuratively will bother you a lot less 🙂

      • Krys VanSlyke (VS) on February 3, 2016 at 1:00 pm

        other people on the thread may not have been talking about this, but the article talks about things the church at large needs to stop doing. I encounter many people taking the literal genesis view (one many bible scholars would say is not consistent with how it would have been originally received). Further, many believers act as if to believe any differently is stupid.
        I’m ok with people believing it to be literal, but to impose that on others or act as if any other conclusion is unintelligent goes against the love, mercy and forgiveness of which you speak.

        • Cheryl on February 3, 2016 at 1:24 pm

          I agree Krys. But we can really only testify to our own experience. I don’t believe I’m called to go out and lash anyone’s beliefs out of them. My experience, however, in church, in Christian Society and in secular society is that it is the non-believers who are doing the lashing. If you’re in the deep south or maybe in some pockets of the US Bible Belt, that might be a common experience. In liberal British Columbia, however, in 34 years I have never once been accosted by or even heard of anyone trying to shove a literal translation of Genesis down my throat. I know, though, if I started talking about anything related to a christian belief system while out and about in the general public, I had better have a body guard. To think that, generally speaking, it is anything otherwise, means you likely don’t travel very much (that’s not in anyway meant as an insult – I don’t travel much, I just live in the middle of it). Discrimination as far as belief systems go is a very scary deal.

          • Krys VanSlyke (VS) on February 3, 2016 at 2:06 pm

            Having been to BC, I agree that yes it is far from AZ in many ways.
            Though I’m sorry you misunderstood; I was speaking of the way (primarily evangelical) Christians communicate in their churches and online. I’ve not been questioned about my take on the origin of the universe in public either. 😉



        • Kenneth Mitchell on March 15, 2017 at 10:03 am

          Hello Krys, as a Christian I used to think this same way..But it is very important we understand the importance of the validity and history of Genesis, as being accurate or it would totally crumble the reason for salvation and all that Christ came to do and why! Just a thought..thanks

        • Jack Jackson on June 21, 2019 at 11:51 pm

          You lose credibility with your citation of “many Bible scholars.” How many, who are they, and what qualifies them as “scholars?”

  113. Sara Bloom on September 19, 2015 at 10:32 pm

    All very nice but the church will never release its stranglehold on morality even though Jesus clearly states he doesn’t judge by what he sees or hears but with right judgement of what goes on within the hearts of men. The church will never let go of the ideology that it is God’s representative on Earth, as if he needs one, no matter how lousy it makes that representation appear.

  114. stevedawe on August 29, 2015 at 7:59 pm

    Though the people of first century Palestine didn’t have a duty to vote for the emperor, and we do vote for our political leaders. God isn’t NDP, Conservative or Liberal, but my vote is still something I have to be faithful with, because it is a place where I have a partial role in the leadership of my country.

  115. Best Mom on August 29, 2015 at 6:42 pm

    Wow, I found this totally inaccurate and non biblical especially historically biblical. God puts leaders in power. Mentioned numerous times in the old testament. Our laws are to be based on the ten commandments. Also, mentioned numerous times in the OT. In Jesus’s day Jewish law ( God’s law) ran the communities as they were being overtaken by the Romans. And even then as Jesus was fulfilling OT law and writings, He was actively changing hearts politically as were his disciples and followers. Their boldness to spread Jesus’s teachings to all including the current Jewish LAWS and political leaders is an example of how to live your faith. I respectfully believe that a Christian should walk the walk and talk the talk in every part of the world God gave us ….that is his final mission to us. That includes laes, politics, communitues, families and individuals.

    • Donald Wayne Pauley on August 16, 2021 at 10:50 am

      The word politics comes from the Greek word Politico which means right and wrong all Christians should stand up for right and hate the things that God hates and behave accordingly.

  116. Gilchrist on August 19, 2015 at 8:16 am

    Another “Don’t judge” lesson. Discernment and the ability to guard against darkness is a key attribute of one of the greatest icons of a pastor, the Shepherd. It has become such a quick way to shut down communication, to simply cry out how Christians should not judge. Ignore the poor example being set, institutionalized or breaking apart the church, or thou shalt be judgmental. That is hardly following the examples set by Jesus Christ and his Apostles.

  117. Tammy Middleton on August 7, 2015 at 12:08 pm

    I’ve read all the comments regarding #2, and maybe I am misunderstanding, but how I read what Carey is stating isn’t that we shouldn’t stand for issues, it is more that we should not be a mouthpiece for a specific political party or person. I believe (to paraphrase Reggie Joiner) if we are not careful, we will move our lampstand to illuminate something other than Christ. Carey, please correct me if I am wrong. 🙂

    • Kathie on September 9, 2015 at 2:05 pm

      I think it is more that we shouldn’t speak for God. Our understanding of what God/Jesus, would or wouldn’t do isn’t definitive. I think we can talk about issues and even discuss which party we think would be the greater one to vote for, but we shouldn’t equate our opinion with God’s opinion. Anyway, that’s my own humble opinion of what Carey was saying.

  118. bushrat49 on August 2, 2015 at 7:03 am

    I heartily disagree with #2. The church stood silently by in Germany during WWII and see where it got them. Dietrich Bonhoeffer was one of the few that stood against the evils of the Third Reich. His book, “The Cost of Discipleship” is a reminder of what happens when the church ignores the political reality going on around it out of fear. Bonhoeffer was one man, who took a stand against the evil of his time, even unto death. Sadly, we have returned to those days, in our nation this time. I see nowhere in scripture where we are told to stand by and be silent as the unborn are murdered, or where homosexuals and transgendered people are dragging down a new generation of youth into their world of sexual confusion and pain. In what use to be the greatest nation on earth, a nation unique in the history of mankind, which offered people the hope of a better life, we have now created an environment where more and more are being dragged into and trapped in a life of poverty, instead of helping them to lift themselves up and out. Jesus called us to be “World Changers,” yes, through the Gospel which changes hearts and teaches love for one another. Yet, what do you do when you love someone? Do you stand by as they starve, or are beaten, or robbed? Is that what Jesus meant by “Love your neighbors?” Do we stand by as our nation is brought to it’s knees through an ever increasingly immoral government, and a society caught up in it’s own slowly boiling pot of selfishness, immorality, and apathy? No! May God never find me only concerned for my own well being, hiding behind lovely sounding platitudes that tickle the ears of men as we play our fiddles and watch Rome burn. Never! I will stand for freedom for my fellow man, and I will stand for the Gospel of Jesus Christ, Each of you reading today, God has placed you here for a time such as this. And what we must ask ourselves is this, not what would this man or this church have us do, but what would Jesus Christ have us do. We may not like what we hear, but our discipleship has a cost. The question is, are we willing to pay the cost?

    • Sarah Cochran on May 31, 2016 at 9:08 pm

      As Christians we are not here to be a great nation and God is not only, if at all, ON OUR SIDE. We are here to love people into loving Jesus Christ, who never condemned a person for who they were, never talked about abortion, never discussed homosexuality and certainly never condemned one. Jesus is the one who welcome people as they were, forgave them and told them to sin no more. That is our call as well and yet I will always remain a sinner. One that is always seeking forgiveness and mercy and being grateful for receiving it. Just as all of us are called to do. I’m not called to judge you individually or anyone else and neither are you. Please stop. Thank you.

      • Sarah Cochran on May 31, 2016 at 9:09 pm

        As the author says, “When your church becomes a mouthpiece for a political party, you cease to be the church.”

      • bushrat49 on May 31, 2016 at 10:21 pm

        The fact that Jesus did not directly speak to certain issues does not mean it was not important to Him, or He didn’t consider it a sin. His goal was in introducing the arrival of the kingdom of God, and teaching His disciples to carry on when He returned to heaven. He had to establish the teaching of the gospel during His short time on earth. And the rest was up to the disciples to write down through the power of the Holy Spirit. That is why Jesus told the disciples that the Holy Spirit would come and teach them everything they needed to know. They then wrote these things down so we would have the scriptures today. The Apostle Paul spoke clearly on the issue of homosexuality, and the principles guiding our lives in other areas are discussed at great length. And yes, believers are called to “judge” other believers. If you honestly seek the truth, then I would like to recommend this blog on judging according to the scriptures. Be sure to have your Bible handy as you read this blog. Always bathe the topic in prayer, and then check out what you read according to the scriptures.

    • Christina Maria on January 16, 2017 at 7:23 pm

      Thank you for saying this bushrat49. I agree 100 percent and would love to share your response.

    • Chidozie on July 19, 2018 at 4:44 am

      I am naturally a very critical person and I have been trying to work on that. I feel the nudge of God’s Holy Spirit to change and adopt a more mature Christian character in that regard. So when I read this article, it really ministered to me. I have also read all the discussion (up to this point) with keen interest and I admire the maturity of all participants regardless of widely divergent views. However, I would like to highlight a number of points.

      1. The Old Testament which constitutes more than one third of the entire Bible was about sin, warnings and judgement versus righteousness (by the law), repentance and mercy. Most of the prophets were sent with specific damning messages for individuals and the nation of Israel. Elijah was so vocal in condemning the activities of Ahab and Jezebel that he almost lost his life. I am aware that the circumstances are exactly the same now as then, but God has not changed.
      2. The Lord Jesus dedicated one of his longest sermons to the denunciation of the Pharisees. If a pastor preached that message today, he would be labelled seditious and unchristian.
      3. The great Apostle Paul exhibited a measure of critical and controversial tendencies as evidenced by his epistles. He quarreled with Barnabas, scolded Peter openly and even went ahead to include the incidence in his Epistle to the Galatians, denounced the cretians in his Epistle to Titus (the Cretians are always liars, evil beasts, slow belies – Titus 1:12) and many other such instances.
      4. The world critizes the church sometimes rightly but most times wrongly. The world wants the church to change but is not willing to change itself. The worst mistake the body of Christ can make is to hope for the world’s acceptance. Our Lord Jesus was not accepted by the world and he warned his followers not to expect the world to love them – “If the world hate you, yea know that it hated me before it hated you” – John 15:18. There is somebody in the world (Satan) who cannot reconcile with the ONE in us, hence the never-ending conflict. We are not sent to be united with the world, but to win them over, not with enticing words of men’s wisdom but by the power of the gospel faithfully delivered.
      5. God has made each of us unique and we are to submit our individual characteristics to God (the great porter) for his moulding and glorious use. God used confrontational Elijah, “insurbodinate” Mordecai, weeping Jeremiah, calculative Daniel, impulsive Peter, amiable John, cynical Paul, etc to accomplish His divine purpose. While some people feel it’s their duty to beat everybody into God’s plummet, others feel that they can only use their example to point others to Christ – everyone according to his own gift and calling.
      6. I believe that it’s not proper for godly men and women to look the other way while their countries are burning. To watch the future of a whole generation being obliterated and feel no urge to cry out or do something mitigative is baffling. The books of Jeremiah and Lamentation were dedicated to satyrical and bitter outbursts of a concerned citizen and messenger. Jeremiah was hated and conspired against by the king and his princes. The principle hasn’t changed, neither has the devil.
      6. Having said all these, I believe that the only way to save our generation and safeguard posterity is by faithfully living rigtheouly and actively preaching / teaching the WORD. Who knows, the Lord might leave behind a peace offering.

  119. Pastor Hal on August 1, 2015 at 6:56 pm

    I love your comments Carey. I just need some clarification.
    I know the command of Jesus is to love our enemies and those who persecute us. I get that and accept it. What do we do or say with regards to the abuses inflicted on the vulnerable in society? For example, unborn children are not only murdered now but their body parts are being sold by organizations like planned parenthood. The elderly can now be terminated by the will of others. Muslim believers praying in public at university while Christians are scolded for the same activity. Do we not have a role to play in defence of the defenceless as Jesus proclaimed? Finally, do you purport those involved in public unrepented sin continuing in church leadership and ministry positions? It seems to me that a leader is in more danger of censorship over proclamation of biblical truth in a non-politically correct way than he does for sinfulnbehaviour. Interested in your expanded views on these.

  120. John on July 27, 2015 at 11:13 am

    Carey, I read your stuff regularly and it’s been a proven benefit to me. Maybe it’s just me, but I think this article was a notch or two higher. Very well said.

    To those who disagree with #2 (politics): it really comes down to what we want to be known for. Sure, issues matter, but when people identify us with that message more than (or instead of) the message of the cross, we’re failing as Christians.

    • BILLY FALLING on July 27, 2015 at 2:15 pm

      John, we can do both.

      • John on July 27, 2015 at 3:10 pm

        . . . and now we’re proving point #1. 🙂 The fact is, if we were sitting face to face, in a conversation, we’d probably realize pretty quickly that we’re on the same page, or at close enough to walk together. The point that I’m making is that the world has heard so much of what we as Christians are against, rather that what we are for. Interestingly, you mentioned the civil rights issue, which is really more of a “for” rather than “against” expression of faith. That’s not what I’m talking about, nor do I believe it’s what Carey was thinking when he wrote #2. But that’s just my guess.

        • Ann Ciaccio on August 4, 2015 at 11:58 am

          I think that we hurt ourselves as Christians when we constantly state what we are against and critical of. We come across as judgemental snobs. We would make so much more progress if we stood up for what we are FOR in a positive, loving way.

  121. BILLY FALLING on July 27, 2015 at 9:27 am

    I disagree with #2. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. let the African American Church in the U.S. out of the pew and into the street to get our government to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1968. That is the best example on my lifetime of the church getting involved in politics. The worse example is the inactivity of the church today that is surrendering our 394 year old Christian Consensus to an anti-Christian culture. You are wrong on 2. Billy Falling, age 75.

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  123. Brett on July 23, 2015 at 5:28 pm

    I agree with all wholeheartedly except # 2. Respectfully, I believe 1 stupid thing that Christians can do and have been doing is be apathetic or indifferent to the culture changing around us and not recognizing that politics plays a huge role in that. I’m not saying that you are apathetic but when you say that it’s stupid to stand up for the truth in our culture on social media I take issue with that and encouraging others to do the same is dangerous. With the downward trend in our culture over my lifetime (I’m in my 30’s), the silent majority so clearly needs to be a thing of the past unless we want to continue this spiral downward. I’m not saying rant with anger but being active and saying what you believe and who you support in politics is not something we need to shy away from anymore in my opinion. It’s come to that…

  124. Cheri Vislay on July 23, 2015 at 2:04 pm

    This is a great article. I especially love #5. It’s not our place to judge others. Let the Holy Spirit work in people’s hearts to convict sin. It’s what I say to my students, worry about your self. That’s enough to worry about.

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  126. Samuel Rodriguez on July 20, 2015 at 5:59 pm

    Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world?

    • Carey Nieuwhof on July 21, 2015 at 12:53 pm

      Once we’re in heaven we’ll be in a great position to do that.

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    Treating single mothers and their kids as if they carry the stain of sin and must be treated while protected behind superior spirituality. Just because you managed to stay married does not mean you’re the perfect lamb for sacrifice, although I often find myself thinking you are just that.

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