CNLP 093: How to Train And Develop More Leaders More Quickly: Scott Magdalein

Every church struggles with having enough volunteers and leaders. But are the leaders you have well-trained, well-equipped and prepared for the task ahead? Carey Nieuwhof talks with Trained Up founder Scott Magdalein on how to train more leaders more efficiently.

Welcome to Episode 93 of the Podcast.


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3 Things You Can Do Right Away

The way people think about church is changing, so how you develop volunteers has to change. Scott is tech-savvy app developer who has used his talents to develop a self-service platform for ministry training. This is what he says produces the best results from volunteers:

  1. Have a consistent goal for what they want to achieve. Churches who benefit the most from their training programs have a definition of what it looks like when they accomplish a goal. As yourself, “Who do I want this person to be, and what do I expect from them?”
  2. Have a clear plan for every person. Have a plan for people in leadership by specifying the training environment and where their talents will be used. It defines the vision and how it’s executed. A plan for each person keeps the volunteer in the seasonal flow and maintains consistency.
  3. Your mindset has to shift. You have to make the decision to stop filling positions and start developing people. The resources are there, the encouragement is there, and the tools are there. It’s not complicated to get it done; you just have to make the decision to do it. When you embrace the changes in church culture, how you think about the future of your mission becomes a priority.

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CNLP 093: How to Train And Develop More Leaders More Quickly: Scott Magdalein


  1. Cheryl on July 20, 2016 at 9:26 am

    I am trying to get a clear picture of how you develop people rather than fill positions. I heard said years ago that Jesus called people to himself, not a task and it has mulled around in my head with the how to do this on a large scale. I love your 20 something leadership idea, but what are other ways that we can develop people who are busy? What amount of their development needs to be self-directed?

    • sisteract on July 27, 2016 at 4:48 pm

      Following. I see seniors who are not involved. I see families with busy lives – how to involve them without a myriad of meetings and burning them out? And, if the new normal is going to church two or three times monthly, what does this mean for developing people?

  2. 5 Podcast Episodes | 7.1.16 on July 1, 2016 at 12:25 pm

    […] How To Train and Develop More Leaders More Quickly: Scott Magdalein | Carey Nieuwhof 6.20.16 Carey’s podcast is one I had to set a personal rule over. I can’t share every episode he puts out. His content is that fantastic. This episode is all about creating a digital engagement strategy for developing new leaders. I probably cued up this episode 3 times and ultimately ended up connecting with Scott. TrainedUp is fantastic. […]

  3. Bud Brown on June 23, 2016 at 2:12 pm

    You’ve got to get them involved in service – immediately!

    This is the model Jesus used to make disciples (see John 1 where his first followers learned the “come and see” invitation.).

    This is why I learned more about following Jesus when I was in prison than I ever learned in church!

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