CNLP 086: Josh Whitehead on Why Senior Pastors, Executive Pastors and Business Leaders Don’t Trust Each Other, and How to Fix it

In 2003, Joshua Whitehead left the business world to start serving at Faith Promise Church. Since 2005, he’s served as Executive Pastor and has seen the church grow to 5 locations and 6,800 people. Josh and I talk about why so many leaders don’t trust each other and how to overcome the gap.

Welcome to Episode 86 of the Podcast.


Guest Links: Josh Whitehead


Leadership Network

Faith Promise Church

Josh on Twitter

Links Mentioned in this Episode

John Burke

Dave McDaniel; Episode 47

Larry Osborne

Andy Stanley; Episode 1

Bill Hybels

Doing Time Sermon Series

Jarrett Stevens; Episode 73

Four Small Words: A Simple Way to Understand the Bible

3 Things You Can Do Right Away

High-capacity leaders often face challenges when connecting their vision to others, but the lines get blurry among different levels of leadership. Josh tells us how to address the conflict and what leaders can do to overcome the obstacles.

  1. Support your senior pastor. Pastors will teeter between fear and faith while entrepreneurs seem to jump right in, because success in the church isn’t always met with applause, and people will question your motives. But keep in mind that God speaks into your senior pastor. You’re there because you both have the same goal, and you should have each other’s back.
  2. Set boundaries to build trust. Senior leaders have been hurt, and many are stuck in their hurt. Know that what one staff member did doesn’t mean all staff members will do you wrong in the future. Be transparent, address your concerns and set expectations up front. Put measures in place, such as placing a focus on culture, that allows you to move forward and put the ministry first. If others aren’t aligning with the mission, it may be time to separate.
  3. Understand differences between church and business leaders. There are several discrepancies between church and business leaders because what each leader finds valuable is so different. The individuals within each realm should connect and discuss the challenges they face to get better insight to the issues each leader confronts on a regular basis.

Lasting Impact Team Edition is available today!

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Next Episode: Josh Pezold

Josh Pezold has done some pretty unique things in the last few years. He’s parachuted into New England to start a church from scratch in a community in which he never lived, and he chose Carey Nieuwhof as a personal mentor. We talk about both in today’s podcast.

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1 Comment

  1. Chris Schoolcraft on May 4, 2016 at 4:34 pm

    Where would I find helpful guides for org charts for churches that want to align for making an impact?

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