CNLP 556: Reggie Joiner and Kristen Ivy on What Today’s Families are REALLY Struggling with, Why Unchurched People Don’t Care About Your Next Sermon Series, and the Tension of Leadership Transitions in a Rapidly Changing World

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Rethink Leadership and Orange Founder Reggie Joiner and President Kristen Ivy talk about what research reveals families are really struggling with, why unchurched people don’t care about your next sermon series, and the tensions of navigating leadership transitions in a rapidly changing world. Welcome to the Rethink Leadership roundtable 2023 edition.

Welcome to Episode 556 of the podcast. Listen and access the show notes below or search for the Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and listen for free.

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Parenting Beyond Your Capacity By Reggie Joiner and Carey Nieuwhof

Parenting: Getting It Right By Andy Stanley and Sandra Stanley

CNLP 550: Andy and Sandra Stanley on Parenting Mistakes You Should Avoid, The Key to Juggling Full Time Ministry While Being Home With Your Family, and Raising Kids Who Want to Be Around You When They’re Grown

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Next Episode: David Kroll

David Kroll, CEO of Churchome, talks about moving beyond the megachurch model, the problems with church transfer growth, what Churchome is learning about reaching Gen Z and Millennials, and why ministry is the most challenging learning environment.

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  • You aren't reaching enough new people even though you've tried everything that's working for other churches.
  • You can see the issue but aren't confident in what to do about it.

And with another Sunday morning coming up, it'll just have to wait until next week when you have a few minutes to figure it out.

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Carey Nieuwhof

Carey Nieuwhof is a best-selling leadership author, speaker, podcaster, former attorney, and church planter. He hosts one of today’s most influential leadership podcasts, and his online content is accessed by leaders over 1.5 million times a month. He speaks to leaders around the world about leadership, change, and personal growth.