CNLP 513: Thom Rainer Dissects the Death of Denominations, the Stunning Decline in Evangelism, and the Digital Revolution for Small Churches

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Bestselling author, Thom Rainer, returns to the podcast to discuss the three biggest shifts he’s seeing in the church right now: the death of denominations, the stunning decline in peoples’ commitment to evangelism and the promising hope for small churches through digital evangelism.

Welcome to Episode 513 of the podcast. Listen and access the show notes below or search for the Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and listen for free.

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The Church Disruption Summit

Change is inevitable. Irrelevance isn’t. But the reality is that churches aren’t changing quickly enough.

Talk to leaders, and they’ll tell you they want to grow. They want to be more effective. They want to reach more people. And that all requires change.

But ask them what their strategy for leading change is and they can’t answer the question. 

Hope is not a strategy.

And without a strategy for leading change, this is what you get:

  1. Pushback
  2. Opposition
  3. Confusion
  4. Anger

That’s why I’m hosting the Church Disruption Summit, an event spread over two days where I’ll dissect the 7 Disruptive Church Trends That Will Define the Church of 2032

Then I’ll give you a framework for change that will help you lead that change without blowing your church apart.

You’ll leave equipped to lead something bigger, something better, something more meaningful and helpful… even when change is working against you.

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Next Episode: Tripp Crosby

Comedian and motivational speaker, Tripp Crosby, joins the podcast and talks about how to become more creative, the genesis of brilliant ideas, building up your confidence, what to do when you bomb on stage, and the letter he wrote to his mom.

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Carey Nieuwhof

Carey Nieuwhof is a best-selling leadership author, speaker, podcaster, former attorney, and church planter. He hosts one of today’s most influential leadership podcasts, and his online content is accessed by leaders over 1.5 million times a month. He speaks to leaders around the world about leadership, change, and personal growth.