CNLP 511: Rich Villodas on the New Exodus in Church Attendance, Why Pastors Keep Failing, and the Next Generation of Pastors and Church Attenders

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Author and New Life Church Pastor, Rich Villodas, returns to the podcast to talk about the three waves of people leaving the church, why pastors keep failing, what Gen Z and Boomers want from a church and why they don’t match, the next generation of pastors, and how stress impacts the body, heart and spirit.

Welcome to Episode 511 of the podcast. Listen and access the show notes below or search for the Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and listen for free.

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He Gets Us

By now, you may have seen an ad or heard about He Gets Us, the national ad campaign that’s changing perceptions of Jesus.

If you’re asking yourself:

  1. What’s it all about?
  2. Is it a good thing?
  3. Or, how can I get involved?

…I’m here to tell you I’ve never seen a campaign like this.

He Gets Us is backed by months of in-depth research and was created to help people meet and relate to the “real Jesus” of the Bible. A budget in excess of one hundred million dollars makes He Gets Us the largest faith campaign in history.

What really makes this different is how people who respond to the campaign are connected with local churches. And with early success like 31 million views on YouTube, 600,000 social media interactions, PLUS nearly half a million people visiting the He Gets Us website, you’re going to want to get your church plugged in ASAP.

When you sign up to become a church partner at, you’ll get:

  1. Coaching and certifications that empower leaders and volunteers
  2. Bible studies and conversation guides
  3. And…info on how YOUR CHURCH can connect with the people who respond

There are literally millions of people who are looking for answers like the ones your church has to offer. Go to and get your church involved today.

Convoy of Hope

Our friends at Convoy of Hope are helping the war victims in Ukraine, and you can too.

To date, Convoy of Hope has:

  1. Served over 100,000 Individuals
  2. And is actively distributing supplies in the 8 countries of Ukraine, Romania, Poland, Moldova, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Hungary and Austria.

When you donate to Convoy of Hope, you provide basic needs like:

  1. Food 
  2. Hygiene supplies
  3. Feminine supplies
  4. Baby supplies
  5. Medical supplies
  6. Blankets, bedding, clothing and so much more

To help, simply visit

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The Deeply Formed Life by Rich Villodas

Good, Beautiful and Kind by Rich Villodas

The Body Keeps The Score by Bessel van der Kolk M.D.

The Genesee Diary by Henri Nouwen

The Madness of Crowds by Douglas Murray

Moral Man, Immoral Society by Reinhold Niebuhr

Don’t Forgive Too Soon by Matthew Linn and Sheila Linn

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Next Episode: Brian Zahnd

Author and pastor, Brian Zahnd, gives an in-depth explanation of the deconstruction that’s happening in Christianity today, a brief history of existentialism, Friedrich Nietzsche and the alternative to Christianity, and the oddity of post-Christian America.

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Carey Nieuwhof

Carey Nieuwhof is a best-selling leadership author, speaker, podcaster, former attorney, and church planter. He hosts one of today’s most influential leadership podcasts, and his online content is accessed by leaders over 1.5 million times a month. He speaks to leaders around the world about leadership, change, and personal growth.