CNLP 491: Brett Hagler on How to Create a Ten-Year Vision in an Unstable World, Why Bold Ideas Attract Bold People, and Habits for a Young Leader’s Success Including Dichotomous Learning

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New Story co-founder and CEO, Brett Hagler, unpacks rapid growth over the last year, the method he used to craft a ten-year vision when the world was still unstable, how focus sets you free, and the habits he’s adapted as a young leader that have helped make him successful including dichotomous learning.

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Glenn Packiam talks about how pastors are facing stacked expectations at a higher level than ever before, why so many struggle with false intimacy and how leaders misuse power to the detriment of others and themselves.

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Carey Nieuwhof is a best-selling leadership author, speaker, podcaster, former attorney, and church planter. He hosts one of today’s most influential leadership podcasts, and his online content is accessed by leaders over 1.5 million times a month. He speaks to leaders around the world about leadership, change, and personal growth.