CNLP 398: Christy Nockels on the Future of Live Events, Leading Worship and Burning Out and Working with Your Spouse

Christy Nockels has been singing in front of tens of thousands of people since she was 19.

She shares the best and hardest parts of life on the road, how she dealt with a life-altering bout of burnout, how to work with your spouse and what she thinks the future of live events and the music industry might look like.

Welcome to Episode 398 of the podcastListen and access the show notes below or search for the Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and listen for free.

Plus, in this episode’s What I’m Thinking About segment, Carey talks about disruptive church trends that will rule 2021 (part 2).

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Insights From Christy

1. When you hit burnout, throw a flag as early as possible

The COVID-19 pandemic has caused almost every leader to work harder than they ever have. As a result, it’s easier than ever to slip into burnout without even realizing it. If you do start to see signs of burnout, throw a flag early with your boss and spouse. If you’re going to recover from burnout, you’ll need their help.

2. If you’re a Christian, view every occupation as a ministry

Many church leaders are hyper-intentional about putting up boundaries that hold them to a higher standard. Christy encourages Christians in any field to view their own occupation as a ministry and defend their character similar to how they would expect a pastor to protect their character.

3. When you’re burning out, even the things you love become exhausting

There is a big difference between being tired and burning out. Christy knew that she was burning out when even the things she loved the most became exhausting. For her, it was when she began to struggle with writing music that she knew she was burning out. For you, it could be preaching, leading, parenting or whatever else you love doing.

Quotes from Episode 398

You have to invite the glorious into the mundane. @christynockels Click To Tweet If you're going to carry the name of Jesus to people, you have to keep things the same backstage as they are on the stage. @christynockels Click To Tweet There's something for us, as leaders, to not be afraid of what's coming, not be afraid of the small and not be afraid of things being stripped back. @christynockels Click To Tweet We've got to receive something first before we can give it. @christynockels Click To Tweet God leads us by our desires. @christynockels Click To Tweet God provides us a rest that actually propels us. It's a rest that has us contending for things that we might not have ever contended for before. @christynockels Click To Tweet I wasn't truly trusting God with my life, with my career, with the trajectory of my career. I was hustling to put things in place. @christynockels Click To Tweet I got to a place where singing for God became more important than living for God. @christynockels Click To Tweet You can view what you do for work as a ministry, as a believer. @christynockels Click To Tweet You need to be in a space where if you're going to be pouring out, you've got to take care of your soul. @christynockels Click To Tweet Part of really learning to rest in your soul is making room to enjoy things that give us life, because then we don't have the 10 other things we said 'yes' to out of obligation. @christynockels Click To Tweet As leaders, we often will go out and we'll keep leading from our skillset, but there's a shelf life to that. We get discouraged when we try from our own capacity but our own capacity dries up. @christynockels Click To Tweet I had to learn to stop looking at me, and when God did that work in me, it was like all of a sudden I could see others for the first time. @christynockels Click To Tweet The goal of digital content isn't just consumption, it needs to be connection and community. Click To Tweet According to one survey done by The Barna Group, 71% of boomers prefer physical worship as opposed to digital or hybrid church. Click To Tweet Unchurched people aren't looking for an echo of the culture. They're seeking an alternative to it. Click To Tweet Spiritual entrepreneurs are the kind of leaders who will find tomorrow's solutions when most people can only see today's problem. Click To Tweet It's often in culture that the leaders you criticize today will be the leaders who coach you tomorrow. Click To Tweet

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If you want practical help overcoming some of the biggest challenges leaders face, my book Didn’t See It Coming: Overcoming the 7 Greatest Challenges That Nobody Expects and Everyone Experiences tackles the seven core issues that take people out: cynicism, compromise, disconnectedness, irrelevance, pride, burnout, and the emptiness of success and provides strategies on how to combat each.

I wrote the book because no 18 year old sets out to be cynical, jaded and disconnected by age 35. Yet it happens all the time.

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Over the years, one of the things I’ve enjoyed most about being a public speaker is having opportunities to hang out with Carey…It’s not a matter of if you’ll run into these challenges; it’s a matter of when. Be prepared by spending a little time with a leader who has already been there.” Jon Acuff, NYT best-selling author

“Nieuwhof’s book provides expert guidance…with an accuracy that pierces the heart.” Nancy Duarte, CEO Duarte Inc.

“A refreshingly transparent guide for all leaders in a wide variety of industries.” Bryan Miles, Co-Founder and CEO, BELAY

You can learn more and get your copy of Didn’t See It Coming here.


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Next Episode: Mark Clark

Mark Clark’s church was growing online before COVID but during the pandemic, it’s grown even more. He explains how he’s switched his communication style, how to speak to an online audience and what preaching might be like after everything reopens. He also talks about how to connect with the people you’re reaching, and why the next generation wants the real Jesus.

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CNLP 398: Christy Nockels on the Future of Live Events, Leading Worship and Burning Out and Working with Your Spouse

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