CNLP 038: What to Do When Your Prayer Life Stalls Out—An Interview With Jared Brock

It’s no secret, the prayer life of many church leaders—and Christians—leaves much to be desired.

Jared Brock, a ministry leader in his 20s, was no exception.

So he set off on a 37,000 mile trip around the world to discover prayer in all its forms. Here’s what he learned, and how it can help you.

Welcome to Episode 38 of the Podcast.

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Guest Links: Jared Brock

A Year of Living Prayerfully: How A Curious Traveler Met the Pope, Walked on Coals, Danced with Rabbis, and Revived His Prayer Life

Living Prayerfully

Jared on Twitter 

Jared on Facebook

Links Mentioned in this Episode

Pete Greig of 24/7 Prayer and Holy Trinity Brompton

Dallas Willard

Tim Ferriss

Andy Crouch

Pope Francis

John Wesley

The Practice and Presence of God: The Wisdom and Teachings of Brother Lawrence

Dorothy Day

White Tail Chapel

Tony Robbins


Benny Hinn

Jeremiah Lanphier

Azusa Street

 Mark Batterson; Episode 32

 3 Things You Can Do Right Away

You want prayer to be at the heart of your church or organization, but sometimes leaders struggle. Why is it so difficult or seem one dimensional? It’s an area we all have trouble with, and Jared tells us how his multi-cultural experiences enriched his relationship with God.

  1. Pray with Passion. The Bible has so many relational metaphors for God. He’s like a Father, a king, a master, etc. He’s all of these metaphors combined. Jared uses the metaphor of marriage to keep his relationship with God intact. “I could spend 10 hours a day sitting in a quiet room with my wife saying the basic things over and over again, and it wouldn’t be a rich communication with my spouse. But if we have 10 minutes together one day, and it’s a passionate conversation, that’s probably better for our relationship than 5 hours of very boring, monotonous prayer.”
  2. Attach physicality to spirituality. During his journey, Jared learned that the monks on Athos pray 7-9 hours a day. One of their traditions includes wearing a matisse, a bracelet with knots that designates a breathing exercise that translates into a prayer, such as, “Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me as a sinner.” The idea is that each breath will speak to God, and it encourages one to pray without ceasing. Similarly, there are several ways we can incorporate such prayer into our routines, from showering to commuting to work, if we’re willing to make it part of our spiritual journey. Prayer is a buffet. It comes in different forms and provides unique varieties when you decide to include such elements into your routine.
  3. Stop working and just pray. We zone into our work for several hours a day, and not once do we think about God, but that’s when we probably need to think about God the most. Prayer is going to give our work its real spiritual power, and Jared emphasizes that you have to hear the voice of God in order to act. Additionally, keep in mind that the more time you spend with someone, the more you become like them. If you spend time with Bill Gates, you’ll become better with your money. If you spend more time with Jesus in prayer, you’ll become more like Christ. Not only is he answering your prayers, you’re becoming more like Him. The power of those two things in unison is what creates change.

Quotes from Jared

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  1. Jeremy Nelson on September 21, 2015 at 10:30 am

    I was just the 100th share of this episode link, do I get a prize?

    PS – Love the podcast. I just started a couple months ago but am going all the way back to the start and listening to each one!

  2. Brent Dumler on June 19, 2015 at 6:42 pm

    Such a powerful and thought-provoking discussion. I loved this. It reignited my passion for prayer and caused me to examine new ways to experience corporate prayer at our church campus. I’m even encouraging our staff to listen to this. Solid content, Carey.

  3. Chad Payne on June 12, 2015 at 7:48 pm

    Wow! I thoroughly enjoyed this episode! Jared’s story was so encouraging and challenging. I ordered his book immediately when I finished listening! As a Pentecostal/Charismatic pastor, I find that our ideas about prayer tend to be very narrow and simplistic. We have much we can learn from expressions of Christianity (and Judaism) outside of our particular stream. In my circles, the idea is often expressed or intimated that we have a special “revelation” on prayer, and there is nothing to gain from listening to other, more liturgical traditions. My response to that is that we Pentecostals have our own liturgies…. ours are just louder. 🙂 Amazing, isn’t it, how we become nearsighted by looking only at that which is familiar? Thanks, Carey, for another great discussion!

  4. jonperrin on June 7, 2015 at 8:26 pm

    Another outstanding podcast! I appreciate the authenticity you and Jared bring to the topic of prayer. Most pastors are afraid (ashamed) to let their guard down, and because of it our church members learn to put on a “game face.” We can’t afford to be like this! Keep ’em coming!

    • Carey Nieuwhof on June 8, 2015 at 7:28 am

      Thanks Jon. Appreciate that. We have to be 100% honest before God, why not start with each other?

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