Lecrae was topping the Billboard charts, winning Grammys and was at the top of his career when things were coming undone internally.

In an open and vulnerable interview, Lecrae talks about the pressures of fame, losing his faith, dealing with addictions, anxiety and personal trauma, and how he’s finding healing.

Welcome to Episode 371 of the podcastListen and access the show notes below or search for the Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and listen for free.

Plus, in this episode’s What I’m Thinking About segment, Carey talks about when Christians lose their minds, people lose their faith.

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Red Letter Challenge

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Written in a similar way to the original Red Letter Challenge, this study focuses on the only one who has ever lived in perfect relationship with God, Jesus Christ, and challenges us to practice the 5 keystone habits of Jesus.

When disruption came in 2020, new habits were formed by everyone, and the best habits of all are the habits of Jesus. With the New Year coming up and people setting goals and resolutions…why not teach your church the habits of Jesus and give them a real tool that will help them grow in their relationship with God?

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Did you know that Christianity is on the rise worldwide? Looking around, this may come as a surprise, but all over the world people are coming to follow Christ—and filling local churches—in unprecedented numbers.

As the Global Church Developer, our partner, ICM, has a holistic view of the international church today. For over 30 years, ICM has been working to equip indigenous churches around the world with discipleship tools and permanent facilities for worship and outreach. Now, they’d like to share that perspective with you.

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I Am Restored by Lecrae

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When Christians Lose Their Minds, People Lose Their Faith by Carey Nieuwhof

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1. There might be a better way to think about the narrative of “becoming a Christian”

A lot of Christians and churches describe the journey of becoming a Christian like, “Before I was a Christian, I was flawed and broken. But now that I’m saved, I don’t have any struggles anymore.” In his new book, I Am Restored, Lecrae outlines that this might not be the healthiest way to describe that journey.

He believes that restoration is the journey not the destination. Restoration is a marathon, and you win a marathon by finishing it, not by coming in first or looking the best. A Christian is going to fall over and over again. The restoration journey is all about getting up and learning from each of the falls.

2. For many leaders, becoming more successful fuels your insecurities

A lot of leaders don’t realize that they fuel their insecurities by achieving more and accomplishing more. If you don’t work through the wounds of your past, you’ll continue to fight for more accomplishments so that you can keep giving false senses of security to yourself. This doesn’t lead to anywhere good.

If you never deal with your insecurities, a day will eventually come when you have to face them. Eventually, someone important won’t like what you create or will challenge your life’s decisions. When that happens, everything will fall apart because what you’ve used to combat insecurity is no longer working.

3. Driving too hard means you’ll eventually run out of gas

Many leaders are like speedboats. They drive really hard out into the ocean of opportunity, and while they are driving, they pass all of the rafts and sailboats. This works out for a while, but eventually, every leader runs out of gas at a speedboat’s pace. And when you run out of gas, you become no more useful than the raft.

Both Lecrae and Carey have led like the speedboat, and as a result, faced some pretty serious seasons of burnout. They have now learned that it’s better to operate like the sailboat. A sailboat never runs out of gas. It responds to its environment and uses that energy to get itself to its destination.

4. You can’t fix the issue of race in America without deeply listening first

The current environment that we’re in needs people being listeners and learners. But leaders are really good at doing the opposite. Leaders don’t need to listen and learn because they can thrive off of CliffsNotes. But as it pertains to race or ethnicity, we’re talking about cultures. And you can’t just read the CliffsNotes on a culture and expect to actually understand it.

To overcome this, you’ve got to become a practitioner. You’ve got to get involved in these relationships. You’ve got to spend some time with those of a different culture and learn about their experiences and ways of thinking.

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If you want practical help overcoming some of the biggest challenges leaders face, my book Didn’t See It Coming: Overcoming the 7 Greatest Challenges That Nobody Expects and Everyone Experiences tackles the seven core issues that take people out: cynicism, compromise, disconnectedness, irrelevance, pride, burnout, and the emptiness of success and provides strategies on how to combat each.

I wrote the book because no 18 year old sets out to be cynical, jaded and disconnected by age 35. Yet it happens all the time.

The good news is, it doesn’t have to be that way.

Here’s what top leaders are saying about Didn’t See It Coming:

“Seriously, this may be the most important book you read this year.” Jud Wilhite, Lead Pastor, Central Church

“Powerful, personal, and highly readable.” Brian Houston, Global Senior Pastor, Hillsong

“Whatever challenge you’re facing, whatever obstacle you’re hoping to overcome, whatever future you dream or imagine, there is something powerful for you here.” Andy Stanley, Founder, North Point Ministries

“Uncommonly perceptive and generous…You have to read this book.” Ann Voskamp, NYT bestselling author

“Masterful.” Reggie Joiner, CEO Orange

“Deep biblical insight, straightforward truth, and practical wisdom to help you grow.” Craig Groeschel, Pastor and NYT bestselling author

“This book is sure to help you.” Daniel H. Pink, NYT bestselling author

Over the years, one of the things I’ve enjoyed most about being a public speaker is having opportunities to hang out with Carey…It’s not a matter of if you’ll run into these challenges; it’s a matter of when. Be prepared by spending a little time with a leader who has already been there.” Jon Acuff, NYT best-selling author

“Nieuwhof’s book provides expert guidance…with an accuracy that pierces the heart.” Nancy Duarte, CEO Duarte Inc.

“A refreshingly transparent guide for all leaders in a wide variety of industries.” Bryan Miles, Co-Founder and CEO, BELAY

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Next Episode: Pat Gelsinger and Scott Beck

Silicon Valley titan Pat Gelsinger, the CEO of VMWare and former CTO of Intel, and Scott Beck, who scaled Blockbuster Video, Boston Market, Einstein Brothers Bagels and Ancestry.com, and is the Founder of Gloo, talk about how the future church can use technology to reach people and connect people. Pat and Scott also talk with Carey about why church leaders resist technology, privacy concerns and why the future is more relationally-connected than we imagine.

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CNLP 371: Lecrae on Losing His Faith and Finding it Again, the Anxiety and Pressure of Life at the Top, and Overcoming Personal Trauma

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