Jennie Allen never expected to be leading a massive movement involving millions of people around the world, but that’s exactly where she finds herself.
She talks about how she stays grounded, what contributes to the downfall of so many leaders, and how to model your leadership differently.
Welcome to Episode 318 of the podcast. Listen and access the show notes below or search for the Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and listen for free.
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3 Insights from Jennie
1. Your private life and actions should ground your public ministry
When you have a platform of any size, there is a natural tendency to lean into the platform alone and leave everyday life of small groups, community, and relationships. This is dangerous. Jennie has found that the thing that keeps her grounded and authentic when she communicates to millions is the experience and love she gives to the one.
Many of us think that once we hit a certain level, we graduate from needing to do community in a local small group. That’s just not true. The bigger you get, the more you need it. We think that enough social media likes, and paid speaking gigs will fulfill us, but the truth is that those things are shallow, temporary solutions to a deeper longing within us.
2. We shouldn’t be surprised by the massive public failures of people in ministry
The whole Christian world is always shocked when one of the spiritual giants we follow has a public moral failure. Jennie has realized that maybe we shouldn’t be surprised, because we all are one decision away from ending up in jail. Sometimes we make too much of people’s public sin because we’ve made too much of them as a public figure to begin with.
Jennie combats this with things like confession, submission, local church accountability, being very known, not living into her own power, and continually choosing the more costly, honest way. When she begins to stop doing these things, she begins to fall into the trap of the world that leads to failure.
3. We need to take our thoughts captive before they take us
70% of our thoughts in a day are negative. When we have this many negative thoughts, we end up giving in to the deep, negative thought cycle that leads to anxiety, stress, and depression. We have to respond as leaders.
In the New Testament, Paul is very clear that we are to, “Take every thought captive.” He uses battle terms. The war for our mental health won’t be easy, but it will be worth it.
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