CNLP 030: Small Church, Mid-sized Church or Megachurch, Which is Better? An interview with Karl Vaters

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Is there a ‘best’ size for church?

Why do so many people distrust mega-churches?

Why do others look down on small churches?

Karl Vaters of NewSmallChurch.com and Carey Nieuwhof engage that debate on this week’s episode and try to settle once and for all whether a small church, mid-sized church or megachurch is best.

Welcome to Episode 30 of the Podcast.

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In the end, Karl and I agree every size church plays an indispensable role in the life of the wider Church.

The best thing you can be is the most effective church you can be, and let size take care of itself.

1. Be intentional about what you define as ‘success”. Karl got so caught up into a numbers game, and he lost sight of the purpose of his ministry. He went from “shepherd to rancher” having to focus on administrative tasks while maintaining the church. He took a 40-day sabbatical from preaching and sought counseling, where he learned to redefine what it meant to be successful. Success isn’t just about a number. It doesn’t mean you have to lower the bar. Success in the kingdom of God is not about numbers; it’s something you have to figure out for yourself.

2. Become awesome at what you do. Karl said he had to get out of the mindset that he had to be a big church in order to be successful. He just had to figure out how to “do awesome” on a smaller level, and that was ok. Size has nothing to do with how capable your ministry is. If it leads to growth, it will happen organically, but it’s better to grow when your church and pastor are healthy.

3. Stop making excuses. You can use the post-Christian culture as an excuse for why your church is small, or you can embrace what you have and do phenomenal things in your ministry. There’s a myth that you have to be big to be great, and that’s not necessarily true. Success doesn’t meet a one-size-fits-all formula. When you stop making excuses, you’ll start making progress.

Quotes from Karl

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Carey Nieuwhof

Carey Nieuwhof is a best-selling leadership author, speaker, podcaster, former attorney, and church planter. He hosts one of today’s most influential leadership podcasts, and his online content is accessed by leaders over 1.5 million times a month. He speaks to leaders around the world about leadership, change, and personal growth.