CNLP 257: Tyler Reagin on Leading a Large Organization When You’re Not a Detail Person and What It Takes to Become Self-Aware, Self-Accepting and Self-Confident in Leadership

Tyler Reagin meets thousands of leaders every year through the work he does as President of Catalyst. In this candid interview, he talks about what he’s seeing in today’s leaders, reflects on how he’s had to come to be at peace with his own limitations as a leader and why it’s so essential for every leader to become more self-aware, self-accepting and self-confident in leadership.

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3 Insights from Tyler

1. Even in our changing culture, leadership is leadership

We talk about a lot of changes that are happening in our culture. A lot of people think these cultural changes should affect how we lead. But at the end of the day, there is not a cultural change, environmental change, or a political landscape change that removes the simple fact that leadership is about leading people.

There is a temptation to begin to focus on numbers and results as leaders. We must resist that temptation. We have to feel for and focus on people. Think about the numbers and results and don’t get those flipped around.

2. When building any organization, service, or product, you have to be detail and people oriented

Many leaders feel inadequate because they are not detailed. They feel this way because our culture loves executors – people who get it done, take the bull by the horns and achieve great things. The issue is that people get lost when we only focus on results.

A great way to set your team up for success in this area is to hire people on both ends of the spectrum that know themselves, their weaknesses, and how the other leaders can help fill in those gaps. Self-awareness is key for life-giving leaders and teams that have big impact.

3. Your wiring isn’t an excuse to never do what you aren’t naturally good at

People wave self-awareness tools like the enneagram or Strengthsfinder like a sword and say “Oh, by the way, I’m just not good at that so I won’t do it.” Tyler says that just because he is not good at details or excel spreadsheets does not mean he should never touch them. Life-giving leaders will do their best to improve on those things while still relying heavily on their natural strengths.

One thing to be aware of is that self-awareness will only go so far. When stress hits, learned behavior goes out the window. Your natural self will come out when pressure rises at work or home and it is better for the people around you to be aware of that so they can help you thrive in those stressful times.

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Suicide is a growing problem in America, and one of the hardest to deal with personally and as a leader. Rusty George not only recently lost a campus pastor to suicide, he lost his friend of over twenty years. Rusty talks in detail about the dynamics of responding to a suicide, helping people grieve, how to grieve your loss as a leader and why suicide is so difficult to handle. Plus, Rusty talks about his new book and how to leave legalism behind.

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