Skip to content

CNLP 252: Kevin Queen on Winning Over Trust as a New Leader, Successful Succession and The Heart of Revival

What do you do when a well-known, charismatic founder of a highly visible, successful church resigns and you’re the successor? That was Kevin Queen’s situation in 2017 when he took over the Lead Pastor role at Cross Point Church in Nashville, TN after Pete Wilson stepped back.

Kevin had never been a Lead Pastor before and has a very different style and approach. 18 months later, the church has never been stronger or larger, and is moving into the future as alive as it’s ever been. Kevin shares that astonishing, unlikely story of how it all came together under God’s grace.

Welcome to Episode 252 of the podcastListen and access the show notes below or search for the Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and listen for free.

Guest Links

Instagram | Twitter |

Episode Links

Step up your digital game and grow your congregation through custom-tailored content with Pro Media Fire. Take advantage of this special, limited-time offer for podcast listeners at and receive 40% off media bundles.

Rethink Leadership is a premier leadership event designed by senior leaders exclusively for lead, executive and campus pastors. Join me in Atlanta on May 1-3 for content, conversations and community unlike any other leadership event in the country. You’ll go home with more than ideas. You’ll go home with a fresh network working together to solve the biggest challenges facing your church and the Church. Register by March 21st to receive $20 off regular pricing.

Full Service: Moving from Self-Serve Christianity to Total Servanthood by Siang-Yang Tan

3 Insights from Kevin

1.  Intimacy with God overrides the intimidation of man

There are two kinds of pressure: the press of man and the press of God – and they are two completely different things.

The press of man is fueled by insecurity and by fear. It’s felt when we are drawing away from God and not seeking Him first.

The press that God puts on our hearts is His way of leading us. When we are in a place of close intimacy with Him, we will be more confident with His call for us and less intimidated by the pressures brought on by people.

2. Every leader needs a cave

Like David, every leader needs a cave. David’s cave was a place for him to go and give his desperation to God. He could leave it all there and trust that God had everything under control.

So often, we place our desperation on people instead of our Father, but God is the only one who is attracted to desperation. People certainly aren’t. They can’t handle it.

Do you have a cave where you can leave your desperation? A place to go and pray and trust your burdens to Him?

3. Remember your family during transition

Transitioning is hard – whether you’re stepping into a new role in a place you’ve worked for a while or uprooting to a completely new place, growing pains are inevitable. As difficult as it may be on you as a leader, don’t neglect to recognize the needs of those closest to you.

Leading well at work is obviously important, but it’s even more important to lead well on the home front. Stay engaged and involved in the transition your family is experiencing. Protect family time and be disciplined when it comes to keeping family commitments.

The most important responsibility of your day isn’t in the a.m. It starts when your car pulls back into the driveway at the end of the day – no matter how long that day has been.

Quotes from Episode 252

I don't want to pry a door open. I'd rather pray a door open. @kevinqueen Click To Tweet

We're either going to put our desperation on people or we're going to put our desperation on God. @kevinqueen Click To Tweet

The more intimate we are with God, the less intimidated we are by people. @kevinqueen Click To Tweet

A better aim for one's life, instead of doing great things for God is to do things for a great God. -Siang Yang Tan Click To Tweet

Read or Download the Transcript for Episode 252

Looking for a key quote? More of a reader?

Read or download a free PDF transcript of this episode here.

Get Your Life Back

Do you want to unlock more of your potential in life and leadership without sacrificing time with your family and your health?

Sounds crazy, but it’s not. I know because I’ve lived it. A few years back, I seriously crashed and burned because the demands on my time and life were bigger than the time I had to accomplish them. I promised myself that wouldn’t happen again.

Today, I still have bigger goals than ever before, but I’ve made fundamental changes that have led to a healthier, happier lifestyle without sacrificing my family and vastly increasing my productivity at work. I’ve taken what I’ve learned during this journey and put it into the High Impact Leader course.

You can complete the three-hour course at your own pace. It’s the most comprehensive content I’ve ever created for leaders to help you reclaim HOURS every day so you can become more effective at work and more present at home. When your time, energy, and priorities are all working together for you, it’ll impact everything you do.

  • You become a better leader, because you’re doing what you do best when you’re at your best
  • You become a better spouse, because you’re focused at home
  • You become a better parent, neighbor, and friend, because you actually have time off to relax and engage

These principles will free you to thrive in every area of your life.   

You can learn more and gain instant access today.

Subscribed Yet? 

Subscribe for free and never miss out on wisdom from world-class leaders like Brian Houston, Andy Stanley, Craig Groeschel, Nancy Duarte, Henry Cloud, Patrick Lencioni, Francis Chan, Ann Voskamp, Erwin McManus and many others.

Subscribe using your favorite podcast app via

Apple Podcasts


Google Play



Spread the Word. Leave a Rating and Review

Hopefully, this episode has helped you lead like never before. That’s my goal. If you appreciated it, could you share the love?

The best way to do that is to rate the podcast on Apple Podcasts and leave us a brief review! You can do the same on Stitcher and on TuneIn as well.

Your ratings and reviews help us place the podcast in front of new leaders and listeners. Your feedback also lets me know how I can better serve you.

Thank you for being so awesome.

Next Episode: Kadi Cole

Here’s what’s so refreshing about Kadi Cole, often when the subject of female v. male leadership comes up, people tend to move into entrenched theological positions or stereotypes. Kadi doesn’t even come close to that. In this interview, Kadi shares cultural assumptions that hurt both men and women in leadership, talks about how to leverage the gifting of women in leadership and offers some new rules about how men and women can work together in healthier ways than ever before in a highly charged culture.

Subscribe for free now and you won’t miss Episode 253.

CNLP 252: Kevin Queen on Winning Over Trust as a New Leader, Successful Succession and The Heart of Revival

1 Comment

  1. Dindo Daniel Rosales on March 30, 2019 at 9:34 am

    I been spending a really awakening time listening to your podcast and I been using your blogs to communicate to my church here in Manila. Carey thanks for your passion in these unique gathering of spiritual minds for the strength ening of fellow leaders.

Leave a Comment

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.

Copy link