CNLP 186: Daniel Im on What’s Wrong with Discipleship, False Maturity and Bi-Vocational Ministry

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Something’s wrong with discipleship in most churches, but many leaders have no idea what’s broken, despite their best efforts to diagnose and fix it. Daniel Im gives a helpful diagnosis and a very practical set of tips on how to move your church closer to Christ. Plus, he shares some bonus tips for bi-vocational pastors – a much requested conversation.

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3 Insights from This Episode

1. Time is the biggest challenge in bi-vocational ministry

The biggest challenge for most people involved in bi-vocational ministry is time. Specifically, doing full-time work in half the time.

The key to making this work well is to find a job that requires little physical and emotional effort from you – this is not the time start your own company.  A job that doesn’t come home with you when it’s time to clock out is ideal. Bonus points if it offers you the space to pray, have conversations with a diverse group of people and prep for sermons or whatever your role is in ministry.

2. Daniel’s model for discerning your church’s discipleship style

3. Being a copy cat will eventually catch up to you 

Our virtual world makes copying awesome or unique ideas simpler than ever before. All integrity is lost in plagiarism and there is so much danger in it, especially for the church.

Beyond the fact that it’s wrong, there’s a big possibility that the copy cat method is going to catch up with you over time. What works for one church won’t necessarily work for all. After months or years of taking what’s not yours, you’ll end up with content that doesn’t speak to the heart of the majority of your people, because it wasn’t made specifically with their needs in mind.  

When you come across an incredible idea or method that could help your ministry or office, don’t just run with it and champion it for yourself. Share and process what you’ve found with your team and find the best way to make it your own, even offering thanks or props to the source where you found it is the best practice. Most are willing to share, but give them the chance to give you the gift.

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Carey Nieuwhof is a best-selling leadership author, speaker, podcaster, former attorney, and church planter. He hosts one of today’s most influential leadership podcasts, and his online content is accessed by leaders over 1.5 million times a month. He speaks to leaders around the world about leadership, change, and personal growth.