CNLP 110: Jeff Brodie, Carey Nieuwhof and Jeff Henderson on Navigating a Successful Transition: Stepping Out of And Into the Lead Pastor’s Chair

In late 2015, Carey Nieuwhof stepped out of the Lead Pastor role at Connexus Church (the only role he’d ever had) and assumed a new role as Founding and Teaching Pastor, while Jeff Brodie became the new Lead Pastor. A year into the transition, by all accounts, the move has been a success.

Jeff Henderson—Lead Pastor of Gwinnett Church near Atlanta— interviews Carey and Jeff about why they made the change, how they did it, what worked and where the tension has been.

Welcome to Episode 110 of the Podcast.


Guest Links: Jeff Brodie, Carey Nieuwhof and Jeff Henderson

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3 Things from This Episode

What are you doing as a leader now to preserve the future of the mission? Leaders do not do well when the future is dimmer than the past. It’s one thing to have a church that grows with you, but it’s another to have a church that grows without you. Carey and Jeff Brodie talk about what’s happened over the past year since Jeff took over as lead pastor at Connexus.

  1. Keep the focus on the mission. The forefront of a leadership transition is preserving the mission. Changes were being made so that the talents of Carey and Jeff Brodie were being leveraged to reach as many people as possible. You are not the mission. Jesus is the mission.
  2. Find alignment with your staff and your elders. As responsibilities change within a transition, you have to maintain boundaries and help others understand the new protocols for your operations. Re-direct your team when they want to revert to an old process. It will take patience, but show grace and remain consistent.
  3. Don’t hang on to a title. Look for a role and look at what you can give to a team. When a new position becomes available to you, think about the mission first and see if it matches your passion. Pray about it. As God opens the doors, you’ll see positions differently.

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CNLP 110: Jeff Brodie, Carey Nieuwhof and Jeff Henderson on Navigating a Successful Transition: Stepping Out of And Into the Lead Pastor’s Chair


  1. […] Jeff Brodie and I did with Jeff Henderson on my leadership podcast  (listen and read via the show notes or Episode 110 […]

  2. […] I talk about that process with my successor, Jeff Brodie, in Episode 110 of m leadership podcast, here. […]

  3. […] out of the lead pastor role at our church and into a founding and teaching pastor role (here’s a piece on why and how I did it). I still carry about 30 Sundays a year of teaching and work on some senior level projects, but […]

  4. […] out of the lead pastor role at our church and into a Founding and Teaching Pastor role (Here’s a piece on why and how I did it). I still carry about 30 Sundays a year of teaching and work on some senior level projects, but […]

  5. Jon Stallings on October 19, 2016 at 2:31 pm

    Wow Carey what a great topic. Sadly transitions rarely go as well as yours – very encouraging. My wife and i have pretty much experienced the exact opposite. Short story is we were the 4th Senior Pastors in five years. We are now 3.5+ years in and back on track to health. Will be checking out your book suggestions to make sure any future transitions go well.

    • Carey Nieuwhof on October 19, 2016 at 3:17 pm

      Thanks Jon…Sorry it’s not been encouraging. It is so tough. Keep going my friend. Situations like yours are why I was so passionate about sharing what happened.

  6. Chad Billington on October 19, 2016 at 12:48 pm

    what a fantastic episode. Stirred my heart and got me thinking on lots of levels. Glad to hear how you are made this transition. As a second chair leader, there was a lot for me to learn in here.

    I”m going to share this with my denominational group. At a regional event we were just talking about the importance succession at our most recent meeting.

    • Carey Nieuwhof on October 19, 2016 at 3:18 pm

      Thanks Chad. Hope the conversation goes well!

  7. Cathy on October 18, 2016 at 11:41 am

    Great episode. Our experience in ministry has led us to realize how important humility is and having the confidence to hire in strength around you and above rather than hiring below you. Then having the maturity to get out of the way and let God lead and if you are called out to another position the hole you leave is not as big.

  8. John Waldo on October 18, 2016 at 10:37 am


    Loved this episode. Thanks to you and the Jeffs for your transparency. 3 questions:

    -As you and Jeff moved into new roles, has Connexus now added someone else in the Executive Director role that Jeff had?

    -When your assistant comes back from maternity leave, will you need to reorient her to how her job will / may be different since yours is?

    -And for fun: Now that you’re no longer the lead pastor, does that disqualify you from attending the ReThink leadership conference you’re hosting next spring?

    • Carey Nieuwhof on October 19, 2016 at 3:20 pm

      Hi John.

      – Yes. We have an ops/exec staff member.
      – We’re still tracking pretty closely (she lives near me and we go to the same church!) but there will be some adjustment as with all growth. And things are really growing/changing.
      – Ha ha. Secret passes.

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