Episode 816: The Brutal Reality of Pastoring: John Ortberg on Leadership Pain, the Introvert’s Ministry Dilemma, and Dealing With the Job You Didn’t Sign Up For
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John Ortberg has spent decades leading churches, writing books, and teaching leaders. But every leader has parts of the job they’re not naturally good at. In this conversation, John opens up about pain in leadership, what it’s like to be an introvert in ministry, and how to handle the work you’d rather avoid.
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