Mark Driscoll has been in ministry over half his life. In this interview, he talks about how he became a Christian, his call to ministry, what the last five years of his life have been like, and the impact of the opposition he faced leading Mars Hill.
Plus, we talk about spiritual warfare and why it matters.
Welcome to Episode 328 of the podcast. Listen and access the show notes below or search for the Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and listen for free.
This interview is not an in-depth interview about Mark’s time as Lead Pastor of Mars Hill. For more on that you can listen to or watch these interviews:
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3 Insights from Mark
1. The Holy Spirit shows up to help people learn the bible in a way he doesn’t show up for anything else
Mark was able to grow a church of thousands of young 20-somethings in Seattle, one of the most unreached cities in America. How? He preached with a heavy emphasis on biblical teaching and believes that when someone is trying to learn the bible, the Holy Spirit shows up in a way unlike anything else.
It’s good to learn in a history class, it’s good to learn from online sources, but when you are actually learning about the bible, there is a special purpose for your learning. And Mark gives the credit of the growth of his churches to the effects of sound biblical teaching.
2. After the marriage comes the war
Mark wrote his most recent book Win Your War with his wife, Grace. Why? Because if the enemy is going to attack you, one of the ways will be through the relationships and people that are closest to you. He observed that Satan didn’t mess with Adam until he and Eve were married and says that, “After the marriage comes the war.”
One way that you can easily lose this fight is if you let the enemy “have a foothold” in your family. Mark encouraged his family to avoid this by eradicating unforgiveness inside themselves. He says that, “The doorway to the demonic is unforgiveness.” As a result, they actively practice forgiving their enemies.
3. Everything God Creates, Satan Counterfeits
Usually, we think of the demonic as extraordinary weird, evil beings and events that come and attack us. But more often, Mark says that it’s just ordinary events that take you out. The demonic can be something that causes you to harbor bitterness, or something that hurts you that you never heal from.
The enemy is often covert in how he attacks us. He does this in Genesis 3, where he attacks Eve’s relationship with God. He asks, “Is God real? If he was real, would he even care?” Satan came in and created an identity issue that led to the fall. It wasn’t extraordinary, he just counterfeited the identity of Eve and God.
Quotes from Episode 328
I think sometimes when you're in the middle of ministry, especially if it's a growth cycle or a busy season, you're not really taking the time to fully appreciate and enjoy all that God is doing. @PastorMark Click To Tweet
Honestly I could say physically, mentally, spiritually, emotionally, by the grace of God, I'm in the healthiest season of my whole life and my family's in a really healthy, joyful place. @PastorMark Click To Tweet
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