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CNLP 168: John Ortberg on The Problem with Hurry in Leadership, Why So Many Leaders Struggle With Intimacy and His Friendship with Dallas Willard

So many busy leaders struggle with intimacy in their marriages, in friendships and in their relationship with God. John Ortberg talks about why that is, how to address it and we also unpack his decades-long friendship with Dallas Willard and how his writings and life continue to impact so many.

Welcome to Episode 168 of the podcast.

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3 Insights from This Episode

1. Accepting who God created you to be is the first step towards accepting how He created others

Opposites may attract at first, but those differences become challenging over time – and can be threatening to a relationship.

If you struggle with accepting people who are different than you, look inward and make sure you have fully embraced who it is God made you to be. Once that happens, it’s so much easier to accept others and live in relationship with them.

2. Learn how to recognize and respond to intimacy when it’s offered

Leaders have a hard time with intimacy. Often there’s a need for approval that prevents them from opening up and being transparent. But because intimacy is a shared experience between people, anyone can learn and grow from it.

When it’s offered, we have the choice to reject, ignore or accept it from others. Which choice do you make when people offer you shared experiences? Pray for the ability to recognize these opportunities in all areas of your life so you can respond to them and grow in intimacy with others. In the end, those moments will be what you treasure most.

3. Hurry takes us away from living fully aware of God’s presence

Hurry creates a burdened sense of preoccupation, ego, and selfishness. It’s a way of life that takes away from living fully aware of God’s presence and guidance.

He didn’t intend for us to miss out on living an enjoyable life. Find ways to remove hurry from your routine so you’re no longer living under the stress of all the things you think you have to do.

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CNLP 168: John Ortberg on The Problem with Hurry in Leadership, Why So Many Leaders Struggle With Intimacy and His Friendship with Dallas Willard


  1. Michael Owen on November 12, 2019 at 5:07 pm

    Is there a transcript for episode 168? I’m wondering how to access transcripts of the episodes, but especially for this one and the recent one with Gordon MacDonald — maybe they aren’t available for all episodes?

    Thank you for providing this leadership resource.

    • Carey Nieuwhof on November 13, 2019 at 5:16 pm

      Hey Michael,

      Sadly, we had not started doing transcripts yet when episode 168 was released.

      Is there anything else we can get you?

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