CCLP 018: Warren Bird Talks Canadian Research, Why Our Countries are Different, and Why Some Churches Grow When Others Don’t

Dr. Warren Bird is the Director of Research and Intellectual Capital at Leadership Network, a nonprofit that helps innovative Christian leaders increase their impact. He discusses the latest research on Canadian churches, why American and Canadian churches are so different and church growth.

Welcome to Episode 018 of the podcast, which you can access on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts.

Guest Links

Warren Bird on the Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast
Warren on Twitter | Books |

Leadership Network Resources: For Accelerators, For Canadians, For Portable, For Salary

How to Break Growth Barriers: Revise Your Role, Release Your People, and Capture Overlooked Opportunities for Your Church by Carl George & Warren Bird

CNLP 028: How To Create High Performing Teams In Any Size Organization—An Interview With Warren Bird

CNLP 034: Carl George and Warren Bird On How To Break The 200, 600, and 1,000 Attendance Barriers

Links Mentioned

Compassion Canada

Compassion Sunday 2018 at Connexus Church

Canadian Church Leaders Conference

CCLP 006: Shaila Visser on How to Make Evangelism Work in Post-Modern Canada

Plenty of the ‘Nones’ Actually Head Back to Church

9 Fresh Approaches To Innovation That Can Change Everything

The Lean Start Up by Eric Ries

A Mission Partner

Fredy, Carey & Merly – Guatemala 2017

Looking for a mission partner? Compassion Canada helps release children from poverty around the world, and they do it through the local church.

They can help you develop a mission strategy for your church that can change the world, whether your church is large or small.

For a free consult, contact them at

Want to Reach More People?

Canadian Church Leaders Conference

Can Canadian churches reach their communities? You bet.

The vision behind the Canadian Church Leaders conference is simple: to help you reach more people.

The conference is back, and this year we’re focusing on how to lead change in your church and in a changing culture.

Bring your team June 14-16, 2018 to Barrie, Ontario for the Canadian Church Leaders Conference, a conference designed to help Canadian Church Leaders reach people. 

It’s three days of intimate, interactive connection and our speakers will be bringing all new talks that will help you and your team lead change in your church.

This years speakers include Laurel Buckingham, Shaila Visser,  Jon Thompson, Jeff Brodie, Rich Birch and Carey Nieuwhof. 

There are only a few dozen tickets left. Secure your spot now before tickets sell out! 

Click here to get in before it’s too late.

3 Insights from This Episode

1. The word reinvent is key when it comes to growth

A word to keep in mind when it comes to growth is reinvent. Churches have to be willing to explore and constantly evolve strategies in order to reach more people. Asking the question, “Is this working to make disciples of Jesus?” should be at the forefront of every decision.

In both Canada and the U.S., churches that are hurting the most are typically the longer established ones who refrain from adjusting to the changes happening in their communities. The ones growing the most tend to have a clear vision and are willing to try different things to connect with the current culture.

2. Leadership Network offers excellent research about church salary 

Leadership Network’s data on church salary is an excellent way to gage where your church falls in the scope of wages. In a recent study of regions across North America, the southern states of the U.S. offer the highest salaries while Canada offers the lowest. All in all, Canadians on church payrolls earn 23% less than Americans. Find out so much more at

3. Pastors often unintentionally block God’s harvest

God has a harvest for us, but often church leaders unintentionally do things to block that harvest. Pastors can get too focused on being the ministers rather than the ministry makers. They get caught up in thinking that doing ministry first-hand is a higher calling than equipping others to lead in ministry.

If you limit your church to only the people you can personally connect with, there’s a low likelihood that you’ll ever see growth past a certain number. The fruit of the harvest is found when those you disciple are discipling others.

Quotes from This Episode

Does Church in Canada Have to Stay Small?

So you would love to reach more people, but how? Your church just can’t seem to sustainably grow past the 200 barrier.

You’re reaching new families every month, but it’s like pouring water into a leaking bucket: you just can’t grow past your current plateau. What gives?

Breaking 200 Without Breaking You can help you and your team break through the barrier 85% of churches never move past: the 200 attendance barrier.

So many leaders who try to break it either get stuck at 50, 100 or 200 in attendance or burned out in the process of trying.

It doesn’t have to be that way.

Believe it or not, the reasons most churches never break 200 aren’t spiritual reasons, they’re practical reasons. Strategic reasons.

The course tackles eight key issues that keep churches from passing the 200 barrier and beyond. It includes:

  • 8 videos designed to guide you and your leadership team through all the key growth barriers smaller churches face.
  • 150 page downloadable workbook for you and your team.
  • 12 licenses, so you can take your entire team through it—board, staff, key volunteers—whoever you want (that’s about $20 a person).
  • A bonus cheat sheet with access to 20 free resources designed to take you further.
  • A private Breaking 200 Facebook Group access exclusive to the first 1000 purchasers.

So whether your church is 50, 150 or 250 in attendance, the principles will help you gain the insight you need to break the barrier more than 85% of churches can’t break.

Click here to get instant access!

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CCLP 018: Warren Bird Talks Canadian Research, Why Our Countries are Different, and Why Some Churches Grow When Others Don’t

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