5 Predictions About the US Presidential Election

There’s no question that culture is changing rapidly.

Occasionally, you realize things are changing in real time. Take, for example, the 2016 US Presidential election.

It simply feels like we’re waking up to a new reality, both politically and culturally. One for which few of us feel prepared.

As a Canadian who majored in US history and politics, who has spent a lot of time in the US over the years and whose audience is largely American, I have more than a passing interest in what happens south of the border because I have so much affection for our US friends and neighbours. I completely agree with fellow Canadian Ann Voskamp, who wrote a wonderful piece on why we, as Canadians, love America and have hope in her future.

I also have many American friends. In fact, some of my very closest friends are American. I simply love the drive, positive attitude and relentless determination to make things better that so many Americans exude. So I’m coming at this as a fan…and, I hope, a friend.

Which is why, like so many of you, I’m watching what’s happening around the current Presidential election with some natural surprise, fear and a bit of shock.

What I hear almost universally from my American friends on all sides of the political spectrum is that they don’t want to vote for any candidate. While that line has been around for decades, I think it has hit with acute intensity in this election.

Amidst all the discussion around the 2016 Presidential election, here are five (kind of) predictions I see around the election and (best of all) for the church.


1. There will be a renewed interest in the sovereignty of God

It’s easy to think that if your party doesn’t win, or your viewpoint isn’t represented in the halls of power, that somehow God has let you down. I get that.

I’ve watched as my country reflects my personal beliefs and values less and less. It’s not all bad, but it’s certainly not what it could be.

The truth is, God has continued to work out his purposes for the world under every condition imaginable, from Egypt to Babylon to Rome, through world wars and in every circumstance. Is it all good? Absolutely not. But that hasn’t thwarted God or his ultimate plan of redemption one bit.

For many Christians, though, it feels as if matters have finally been taken out of our hands. But when you feel that way, you should never conclude those matters have been taken from God’s hands. That’s just not true.

God birthed the church in the era of Nero. God’s plans have survived every faithful and unfaithful leader in human history because they are HIS plans.

The sovereignty of God is, well, sovereign. I believe preachers will talk about that more as a result of this election.

Sovereignty is not fatalism. But it is hope. It testifies to God’s faithfulness in the past despite our lack of faithfulness. And God’s faithfulness in the past is evidence of God’s faithfulness in the future.

2. The church will look to Christ more and to the state less

Having a government that doesn’t fully embrace Christian values actually puts Christians in some great company—the company of the earliest followers of Jesus.

No Roman government ever embraced the teachings of Jesus or scripture.

And if you study it carefully, Jesus spent zero time asking the government to change during his ministry. In fact, people asked him to become the government, and he replied that his Kingdom is not of this world.

The Apostle Paul appeared before government officials regularly. Not once did he ask them to change the laws of the land.

He did, however, invite government officials to have Jesus personally change them. 

As Christendom continues to disappear in front of us, the gap between what Christians believe and what political parties endorse will continue to grow.

And ultimately, if God has all the same opinions your political party does anyway, you’re probably not worshipping God.

3. Living out your values will become more important than ever

Christians are increasingly finding themselves in new territory as a counter-cultural force, which is where we’ve often been at our best over the last two thousand years.

We’re going to feel an increase in the pressure to ensure we live out what we say we believe, not just in terms of our moral choices, but in terms of how we treat others.

That’s not all bad. After all, living out your values beats legislating your values.

I’m not saying laws should be immoral. But I am saying you can’t legislate the human heart. Laws tend to reflect what people believe. And what people believe has shifted. No law can bring back an ethic that doesn’t live in the hearts of people.

That’s the problem we’ve seen accelerate over the last 50 years. Starting in the 60s, our moral values began radically changing. It took government a few decades to reflect the changes that were happening in people’s lives.

Today, the laws reflect what many people believe. It’s just not what most Christians believe. But most of America (like Canada), is becoming post-Christian.

So how do you change that? Well, if you have enough people live out their values, it has a way of trickling up to the halls of power.

Change what people believe, and eventually the laws will catch up. True revolutions always start from below.

4. The tone of public discourse will either get worse… or better

Perhaps what’s been most shocking about the election is the decline in the tone of the debate and the refusal of candidates to back away from actions that most would consider immoral.

If you want to see how much has changed in a few decades, watch the first five minutes of the 1988 Presidential Debate, and contrast that to what we’re seeing today. The contrast could hardly be starker.

While Saturday Night Live may be providing some much-appreciated therapy around the current debates, the surprise, of course, is that it’s sometimes hard to tell which is the parody and which is the actual event. The discourse has sunk that low.

So is it the candidates, or is it the people who have driven the discourse to this new bottom?

I think the answer is both.

Have you noticed what’s happened on social media? People behave on social media the way we sometimes behave on highways. Put a human being in a two-ton vehicle, and we behave with aggression and recklessness we would never show person to person.

Imagine seeing someone drive their shopping cart in a grocery store the way you sometimes see people drive on the highway. It’s a little unthinkable. Why? Because you can look someone in the eye. Because there isn’t a giant metal barricade between you… only a few pieces of wire and some wheels we call a shopping cart.

Social media makes people behave like bad drivers. We forget there are actually people around us with feelings, hearts and lives. We forget the people we’re angry with are actually made in the image of God.

With public dialogue as bad as it is right now, there is plenty of room for grace and hope.

Future leaders can call out the best in people or call out the worst. It could go either way.

Come on, good people.  Come on, good candidates.

Raise the level of public discourse. Be that hope. Be that grace.

And honestly, let it start, dear reader, with us.

5. The work of the local church will be more important than ever

As bleak as things feel at times, this is a great opportunity for the church to be church.

Some of our best moments have happened during a crisis.

You know the C.S. Lewis classic, Mere Christianity, so many Christians love?

It actually didn’t start as a book. It began as a series of radio addresses given by the then relatively unknown C.S. Lewis when Britain stood alone against Nazi Germany in 1941. You can read the story here.

The free world was looking for hope, and it found hope in Lewis and the message of the Gospel.

Similarly, Dietrich Bonhoeffer emerged as a distinctly Christian voice of challenge and hope in the midst of the rise of the Third Reich.

The government can never do the work of the church, and it can never be the voice of the church.  Only the church can be the church, and our culture deeply needs the church to be the church.

What Do You See?

I realize discussing politics can be a contentious issue. I’m far more interested in the implications for the church than anything.

In that vein, what opportunities do you see, or what predictions do you have for the ministry of the church?

Scroll down and leave a comment.

5 Predictions About the US Presidential Election


  1. Sue Cockburn on November 7, 2016 at 12:40 pm

    Well said!

  2. Tammy Tolman on November 6, 2016 at 3:39 pm

    So true really value this truth at this time as we watch what happens in the next two days

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  5. Patricia Evans on October 29, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    What utter crap. And of course Bonhoeffer was hanged for his complicity in trying to “correct” the course his country had taken by failing to murder the Fuhrer. What the author completely neglects is how North America is no longer the country of white Protestants; rather, and gratefully, it had become incredibly diversified with race and cultures. Finally religion has made itself irrelevant because of its intolerance for marginalized people, and had been irrevocably replaced with either fundamentalist faiths of all types and secularism. Nice try but really missed the mark.

    • rita on December 17, 2020 at 5:42 pm

      I think u missed the point -by a mile. The author isnt ‘promoting’ Christianity but rather celebrating it & calling on Christians to be more Christian by recognizing other HUMANS (and their faiths). In being more Christian, we are taught to be more tolerant (we have), to be more giving (we have) to compromise more (we have) to less vocal about OUR beliefs and more inclusive of others (we have). And as a result of all of the above HERE IN THE STATES where we practice exactly what we preach under the 1st Amendment, EVERYONE of every faith is welcomed. Also as a result WE as Christians have been under fire and censorship since the Clinton administration. We have gone from being tolerant of other religions (& their practices) to being forced to ‘the back of the line’ when it comes to voicing our faithin our Religion. Freedom of Religion doesnt mean the “incredibly diversified races & cultures” should take precedence over Christianity (which they have in the States).. Lest u confused me with some Bible-Thumping Baptist Christian from the Deep South “clinging to my guns & Bible” be advised, I am a Native American self-sufficient single mother who has NEVER been affiliated with any organized religion (I was baptized a ‘catholic’ only on paper at age 14 so I could attend a catholic HS in the inner city of NY bc the HS I would have to attend had the highest stats of Rape, Assault & Incarceration among its students). I learned about compassion & Christianity from Nuns (by example – they showed GREAT COMPASSION and patience to a child filled with anger, rage & an undiagnosed learning disability (not even noticed in my prior public school education). It was there that I figured out pretty quickly that the “Church” itself was a machine, but Christians, on the whole follow the Bible bc they simply love God and want to follow Jesus’ teachings, not just as a means of salvation, but to true be a ‘better human’ and to care for and about, other humans. No one has done more for “marginalized people” than Christian organizations. Need more proof ? Just look at missionaries traveling to War Torn or Economically disenfranchised 3rd Word Countries . . . they are overwhelmingly CHRISTIAN. In conclusion, no one ESPECIALLY THE AUTHOR has ‘missed the mark’ except you. And I suppose you will remain rooted in hate and ignorance rather than taking this post as constructive criticism and as a result, you will miss all the beauty and bliss that true Christians feel toward their fellow man . . . and you will live in misery having never felt that. Let me know how life works out for you way up on that high horse – but watch out – those falls are the most lethal.

  6. dealish on October 29, 2016 at 4:24 pm

    I want to thank you for writing and also writing from a positive, directional motive… I feel like you are leading your audience (church folks and hopefully new to church people or not yet churched people) will be called into looking more to Christ, sharing the values of the Bible, and so on. Thanks! 🙂 I am encouraged by this post.

  7. lindabret on October 29, 2016 at 12:10 pm

    Great article! We need to grasp what Kingdom government looks like, establish and operate in it within our churches first. Then maybe we will be taken seriously and have a voice in society.

  8. Nancy Harrison on October 25, 2016 at 8:38 pm

    Thank you SO much! This expresses so much of what has been tumbling around in my heart as I’ve decided to vote for a 3rd party candidate and am being accused of wasting my vote and betraying the church. Thank you for such a Biblical exhortation!

  9. Andy Lawrenson on October 25, 2016 at 9:39 am

    I think we will see more persecution and this will drive many Christians to become more serious about their faith and many Christians will be driven away from the church because the cost will be too high for them. I also believe this will force the church, if the local church wants to continue to exist, outside of the four walls and a stronger presence in the community doing outreach and meeting needs.

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  11. Dano5 on October 25, 2016 at 4:04 am

    For many, this is just an uncomfortable part of the process of finding out that we’ve been misled for political purposes.
    The Republican Party has been exposed. They’re no more Christian than any other political group; in fact, they’ve been significantly less Christian, by advocating exclusively for wealthy white men, and turning their backs on everyone else.
    Perhaps the most damaging part of Republican politics has been the decades of anti-liberal, anti-progressive propaganda that saturates the media and talk radio. As a result, Republican and “Conservative” voters seeth and express their hatred of Liberals & Progressives, whose policies are far more consistent with the teachings of Jesus than are those of the GOP.
    By choosing Donald Trump as the standard-bearer of their Party, the Republicans established that they have no guiding principles or moral code that would cause them to reject a candidate like Trump. If they did, low-character politicians like Sen. David Vitter or Newt Gingrich would be rejected, or ignored, or both.
    Jesus would not preach hatred. Like most Americans, He would be appalled at the level of discourse, and the rampant bearing of false witness.
    If you’ve been led to believe politicians who declare that they’ll make America a “Christian Nation”, that isn’t happening. We are not going to be a Theocracy — and that’s the best possible outcome for Christians.
    God does not need Government Assistance. God doesn’t need the government’s help.
    It’s been true throughout history, and even more true today — the best way to promote Christianity and Christian values is to live them authentically. Love your enemies. Turn the other cheek. Give generously to the poor. Pay fair wages. And don’t be hating Muslims here, or bombing them overseas. Read the Beatitudes. Again.
    If you want being a Christian to be easy, you picked the wrong religion. It’s supposed to be hard. It’s not supposed to be the cool thing to do.

    • Bruce R. Mills on October 25, 2016 at 7:04 am

      While it is true, that I believe there are too many Republican congressmen that are against Trump because they want to keep their big benefits…and that Trump is probably not a Christian…he is being backed by the Evangelicals because of the Republican pro-life platform…and because we need to bring 1, and as many as 2 or 3, Supreme court judges back to balance the extreme left court… We are voting for the platform…not for the President… bruce r. mills

      • Dano5 on October 26, 2016 at 2:32 pm

        SCOTUS is “extreme Left”???
        If “Right” is favoring Capital, and “Left” is favoring Labor, I don’t see how a SCOTUS with Roberts, Alito, Thomas, and Kennedy could be considered anywhere near Center, let alone “extreme Left”! Wow!
        The justices above, and the late Justice Scalia, are/were extreme Right. Their decisions have transformed our government and our economy to exalt Capital, and even to make government subservient to Capital.

        I don’t understand your “extreme left” assertion, Bruce!

    • twinmom5407 on October 25, 2016 at 8:06 am

      I disagree that liberals and progressives have policies more like Jesus. The government was not given the task of taking care of the widows and orphans. The task was given to the church. Since the federal government took over that role, the church is less relevant. It does not encourage community (and church) relationships because welfare recipients can live without church relationship and accountability. Thus Christians are off the hook if they simply go to the ballot box and vote for progressives. I don’t think that follows the teachings of Jesus. No personal charity = No gratitude from the receiver. For every dollar given to someone from the government is a dollar taken from another individual.

      • Dano5 on October 26, 2016 at 2:19 pm

        The righteous will then answer him, ‘When, Lord, did we ever see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you a drink? When did we ever see you a stranger and welcome you in our homes, or naked and clothe you? When did we ever see you sick or in prison, and visit you?’ The King will reply, ‘I tell you, whenever you did this for one of the least important of my brothers, you did it for me!’
        — Matthew

      • Dano5 on October 30, 2016 at 3:16 am

        I don’t know anyone who stops their donations to charities when Progressives or Democrats are in office. Do you?

        Progressive/Liberal economic policies are about maintaining a more even balance between the forces of Capital and Labor. In today’s economy, where Capital is dominant, it’s about increasing Wages & Salaries and encouraging employers to spend more on Wages & Salaries, and to create more jobs.

        Under Progressive/Liberal policies, more Workers can afford to give to charities, and fewer people need assistance from them.

    • Captain_Sakonna on October 25, 2016 at 10:00 pm

      The plain and simple fact is that Jesus told us to care for the poor. He didn’t give a whole lot of specifics about how. He never said we had to care for the poor by supporting government programs to that end. He also never said that government programs couldn’t be part of the strategy, or that we should resist them.

      On the subject of poverty, the disagreements between Reps and Dems are primarily about methods, not goals. I don’t believe that the bulk of the members in either party want to see the economically disadvantaged suffer or die. Nor does the bulk of either party want to enable a bunch of loafers who could be working to get money for nothing. So could we stop arguing about which party better matches Jesus’ views on this particular issue? We can all agree on the part of it that Jesus actually spoke about (we should help the poor). From that foundation, we can turn to taking a serious look at which policies actually do the best job of helping the poor — and this could be a primarily fact-based discussion, without a lot of grandstanding about what Jesus would or wouldn’t do.

      Now that’s out of the way — I do think there are some *other* issue points on which the GOP has acted in a distinctly non-Christian manner. One that particularly rankles is the GOP’s frequent habit of elevating human self-indulgence over the needs of animals (which the Bible says the righteous man regards), and opposing anti-cruelty reforms of various kinds. I also think there are issue points on which the Democratic party has acted in a distinctly non-Christian manner. Due to its support for legalized murder in the form of abortion, I’m inclined to think the Democratic party worse … but, choosing the lesser evil is still choosing evil, and as a Christian I’m completely disenchanted with both parties and their platforms.

      • Dano5 on October 26, 2016 at 2:09 pm

        @Captain_Sakonna:disqus – I agree – Jesus never said we needed gov’t programs to take care of the poor. However, gov’t assistance for the poor has been an American tradition since George Washington was President, and it’s encompassed by the Preamble’s “…promote the general welfare..”. In general, when governments are involved in providing assistance and maintaining a minimum standard of living, those societies have a much lower incidence of poverty and homelessness.
        I agree – Jesus didn’t prescribe methods; but he did (& would) care about ensuring that the job of caring for the poor would be done, and done well. In the real world, governments do a much better job of this than individuals without a comprehensive plan.
        Both FDR and Ronald Reagan said “The best welfare program is a job.” Current Capital-favoring policies, which celebrate corporate Earnings & penalize Wage & Salary expenses, are killing our economy. Policies that provide incentives for increasing employment and increasing the rewards for Labor are necessary (IMO) for bringing us back to our past prosperity, and reducing the need for government assistance.

    • Christian_Patriot on October 27, 2016 at 10:19 am

      “The Republican Party has been exposed. They’re no more Christian than any other political group; in fact, they’ve been significantly less Christian, by advocating exclusively for wealthy white men, and turning their backs on everyone else.”

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      “Perhaps the most damaging part of Republican politics has been the decades of anti-liberal, anti-progressive propaganda that saturates the media and talk radio. As a result, Republican and “Conservative” voters seeth and express their hatred of Liberals & Progressives, whose policies are far more consistent with the teachings of Jesus than are those of the GOP.”

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      • Dano5 on October 30, 2016 at 1:43 am

        A racist statement? Whether it’s racist or not is irrelevant. It’s true.

        The Republican Party is racist. You don’t have to take my word for it. Just look at the numbers. Or ask anyone who’s black or Hispanic. How many non-white Republicans are there??

        And why do Republicans go to such great lengths to keep minority voters from voting?

        It’s gotten so bad that a lot of black voters are changing their registration to Republican so they can vote without being hassled, or having their registration canceled.

        Racism is anti-Christian.

        Maybe you can have a Bible Study session for the entire Republican Party, and discuss the parable of the Good Samaritan. Enjoy.

      • Dano5 on October 30, 2016 at 3:03 am

        Mr. Patriot, I think your understanding of “the progressive agenda” is coming from the mischaracterization of it by conservatives.

        Today’s Progressives are quite similar to those who supported Theodore Roosevelt (the “TrustBuster”) and his crusade to eliminate the corruption of federal, state, and local governments by large corporations. He also saw that preserving our environment was important, so he started our system of National Parks.

        Today, Our Government advocates for large corporations. Their interests count. The interests of Workers are irrelevant. Our economic policy goal, since 1980, is to maximize corporate profits — and not to provide the greatest benefit for the greatest number. Corporate greed dominates our economy. That is what is destroying our culture — not Progressivism.

        If you believe that abortion is murder, that’s your religious belief — but that’s not U.S. law. A fetus is not a Person. A pregnant woman in the U.S. has a Constitutional Right to an abortion during the first trimester, if she so chooses. If you don’t trust women to manage their own pregnancies, and you prefer to have Our Government take away their Free Will, that’s fine — just don’t complain about Big Government. Ever.

        Maybe you can relate to women wanting to keep their own Free Will from being taken away by an intrusive Government.

        Class Warfare?

        “There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”

        — Warren Buffett

        Same-sex Marriage & LGBTQ “agenda”: Gay people want equality. That’s it. They want equal treatment under the law. They don’t want to be discriminated against, or fired, or beat up or killed because they’re gay. And they want to be able to marry the person they love, without Big Government limiting their choices.

        Ask your gay friends. Isn’t that what they want? Oh, right — you don’t have any gay friends. [ …that you know of…! ]

        Confiscation of property: Are you referring to taxes?

        U.S. Constitution, Article 1, Section 8: Congress has the power to tax & spend. If you don’t like how they do it, vote out the current knuckleheads (yes, the Republicans are in control of both houses of Congress) and let’s get new ones.

        Secularism: Many of our nation’s Founding Fathers were Deists who fled persecution by England’s theocracy. They were adamantly against the U.S. becoming a Theocracy. What you see as “secularism” is just a healthy separation between Church and State.

        The removal of God from public space?? You couldn’t remove God from public space if you tried. But since “public” implies “shared by everyone” (i.e., Christians, atheists, Buddhists, Muslims, nihilists, hippies, Wayne Newton, Bill Maher, etc.), it’s best to not have government-sponsored religious symbols in our shared public spaces. You have full Freedom & Liberty to persuade other people to adopt your religious beliefs. But you don’t have the right to compel them. When government adopts a religion, compulsion follows. That’s what intrusive Big Governments do.

        Besides, our corporations have brought many Workers in from all over the world to lower their Labor costs. It’s important to them that their lower-cost foreign employees feel welcome, and not discriminated against because of their religion. If you don’t like their employment practices, blame them — not their foreign employees.

        • Christian_Patriot on October 31, 2016 at 6:29 am

          “If you believe that abortion is murder, that’s your religious belief — but that’s not U.S. law.”

          It violates God’s law….and God’s law is supreme.

          I am very aware of what Progressivism is ….and the horror it has brought. Don’t try to mislead people. It is no “Classical Liberalism”.

          At this present time you are not a Christian.
          And no Christian would hold the views that you espouse.
          What you are seeking to do hear is mislead others, and it is wrong.
          I could destroy your other arguments, but I believe most others here will see through them anyways.

          Repent, and turn to Christ.
          I and I am sure others will pray for you.

          • Dano5 on October 31, 2016 at 12:50 pm

            We clearly have different views on what it means to be a Christian. And that’s fine. This is America. What’s unique about America is our Religious Freedom.

            I’ll agree — God’s Law is supreme. The question is, who enforces God’s Law? Clearly, that’s up to God – not you or me.

            Isn’t it God who will separate the sheep from the goats?

            Even Jesus said, “Render to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and render to God what is God’s.”

            In America, you’re encouraged to live your life according to your version of God’s Law, and to conduct yourself accordingly; and by doing so, persuade others to do the same. However, you do not have the right to impose your version of God’s Law on others. That would be un-American.

          • Christian_Patriot on November 1, 2016 at 8:48 am

            There are no “versions” of God’s law/Word.
            Either it is in accordance or it is not.
            You are to follow the law, as long as it does not fall in contradiction to God’s law
            So yes condoning and supporting people that murder babies is immoral and unlawful.

          • Dano5 on November 1, 2016 at 2:57 pm

            …as is condoning and supporting people who exploit, steal, lie, and cheat.
            Yes, the murder of babies is immoral & unlawful everywhere.
            But embryos and fetuses are not babies, according to U.S. Law. The assertion that they are is a valid religious belief, but it’s not universally shared.

          • Christian_Patriot on November 1, 2016 at 5:58 pm

            We are held to account by God, and thus are supposed to conduct our lives by example of Jesus.
            “”I knew you before I formed you in your mother’s womb. Before you were born I set you apart and appointed you as my prophet to the nations.””

          • Dano5 on November 11, 2016 at 2:27 pm

            Was healing the sick on the Sabbath in accordance with “God’s Law?”

            Hint: Be careful how you answer.

          • Christian_Patriot on November 11, 2016 at 2:30 pm

            Yes, Jesus answered that one already.

          • Dano5 on November 11, 2016 at 2:37 pm

            However, it was very much against the Pharisees’ understanding of “God’s Law”, which was clearly communicated in the Ten Commandments (and which can still be read at various courthouses in U.S. “red” states).

          • Christian_Patriot on November 11, 2016 at 2:53 pm

            Or perhaps God just doesn’t consider healing a violation of the Sabbath
            Whatever God says goes.

          • Dano5 on November 11, 2016 at 3:03 pm

            Maybe so, but what gets enforced here on Earth is the interpretation of “God’s Law” by human religious leaders, and/or human governments.

            The Pharisees considered Jesus’ healing on the Sabbath a violation, and eventually they killed him.

            To truly follow Jesus, you need to be willing to fight the Religious Establishment — especially when they’re missing the point.

          • hoppytoad79 on November 2, 2016 at 1:20 am

            The United States was NOT founded on the “Christian religion…” (Treaty of Trent, 1790). George Washington was POTUS then, and John Adams was VP, so he was the one who opened the Senate each day and the tie-breaking vote if one was needed, as per the Constitution, when the Senate approved the Treaty. Why do I mention who was in the Executive Branch? Because both men were Founding Fathers, and the Religious Right just *loves* to talk about the Faith of Our Fathers. Well, here we have two of the Fathers approving 100% of a document that makes it clear THE UNITED STATES WAS NOT FOUNDED ON CHRISTIANITY. That, along with the First Amendment and Jefferson’s statement about “separation of Church and State”, makes for an extremely hard-to-ignore message about the role the Founders felt religion did not have in government.

          • Christian_Patriot on November 2, 2016 at 7:07 am

            complete and utter BS!
            “separation of Church and State” Is not in the First Amendment.

            “Amendment I
            Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

            The intent was to prevent a Theocracy, as had been experience in Europe for centuries. Where rulers has used and abused religion to control and manipulate the population.

            Jefferson’s note regarding separation between “Church and State” addressed just that.
            It did not mean that the principles under which the government was founded, the law, and the Constitution were not based on Christianity. In fact they were. Specifically recognizing God given natural law. It also does not mean that the Church can not have direct influence on the State.
            The Constitution sets out restrictions on the Government in relation to the citizenry not the other way around.

          • hoppytoad79 on November 2, 2016 at 1:13 am

            You are sinning to state who is and is not a Christian based solely on their statements here. You are totally incapable of determining the veracity of anyone’s faith, because you are incapable of determining what is in someone’s heart. Only God is capable of doing that. Your time would be better spent judging the state of your own heart and evaluating where you are in your own walk with God, and what sin needs to be uprooted and destroyed in your own life.

          • Christian_Patriot on November 2, 2016 at 5:23 am

            We are to discern righteously against the word of God. A Christian is repentant. In other words they are in agreement with the word of God. They dont espouses opinions and proclamations that are in direct opposition to what God has said. Sorry but not all who claim to be Christian really are.

          • hoppytoad79 on November 2, 2016 at 12:19 pm

            That is true. It is also true none of us is to judge another person’s heart. Period, full stop. ONLY God is capable of that. Jesus Himself said that. No one here is denying Jesus as Lord and Savior of their lives, forgiver of their sins. No one is denying He was crucified, died, and rose again from the dead three days later and ascended to heaven and will be coming again. No one is denying the major, basic, essential tenets of the Christian faith. STOP. USURPING. GOD’S. PLACE. YOU. ARE. SINNING. YOU. DO. NOT. KNOW. HEARTS. STOP. PLAYING. GOD.

          • Dano5 on December 1, 2016 at 12:33 am


          • Dano5 on December 1, 2016 at 12:32 am


          • Christian_Patriot on November 2, 2016 at 1:37 pm

            True, only God knows what is in someones heart.
            But remember Jesus also said this

            “Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.”
            Matthew 7:15

            Ephesians 5:6
            Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on the sons of disobedience.

            We are not to just embrace every idea that comes along simply because somebody saying it says they are a “Christian”
            You have to test what they are saying against what the Bible says. This is just common sense.
            Sorry but when I hear someone espousing views and promoting ideas that are in direct contrast to God, I question their claim of being a Christian. Could they be gravely mistaken? perhaps…or they could be deceiving others and themselves. I am also not saying they won’t turn to Christ.

    • Christian_Patriot on October 27, 2016 at 10:31 am

      “And don’t be hating Muslims here, or bombing them overseas.”

      We should not hate the people, but rather pray for them to repent and have their hearts soften to receive the gospel.

      Islam itself is an evil ideology. And one that has been at war with the rest of the world from the onset.
      1400 years of historical evidence supports this.
      Islam is not compatible with the Christian world view. And far too many Christians live under Muslim persecution and now suffering genocide.
      I would recommend you familiarize yourself with the book “Crucified Again” – by Raymond Ibrahim.
      Or even read from the author Robert Spencer, both have extensive knowledge in this subject. As well Robert has a news website the reports on current situations in the world and its interaction with Islam.

      • Dano5 on October 28, 2016 at 12:43 pm

        Islam is no more inherently evil than Christianity. Our Christian heritage includes the Crusades, the Inquisition, and historical pattern of the subjugation, exploitation, and murder of non-Christians & native people.

        “Before you remove the speck from someone else’s eye, remove the beam from your own.”

        • Christian_Patriot on October 28, 2016 at 1:07 pm

          Excuse me?
          You could not be more wrong!
          Evil people will do evil things. But you can’t read the Bible and conclude that it condones the behaviors and actions of the Inquisition, or any atrocities of the Crusades. The same can not be said of the Quran.

          Interesting that you brought up the Crusades though. That was a reaction to push back the 400 years of Muslim Caliphate that was being waged upon Christian lands.

        • Christian_Patriot on October 28, 2016 at 1:09 pm

          “Islam is no more inherently evil than Christianity”
          You are not a Christian.
          No Christian would make that claim.

          • Dano5 on October 30, 2016 at 1:07 am

            The Jesus I follow turned the other cheek, healed the sick, fed the hungry, and prayed for those who persecuted him & killed him. And given the opportunity to lead a revolution against Roman occupation, he turned it down, and chose his own execution (and redemption) instead.

            More importantly, he called out the religious leaders as hypocrites, more interested in their own power & position than in being connected to God.

            That’s the Jesus I follow.


          • Christian_Patriot on October 31, 2016 at 9:22 am

            What you are following is idolatry. You have fashioned a god that you want to follow rather than the God of the Bible.
            You do not get to pick and choose what you like and don’t like. That is not what followers of Jesus do.

          • Dano5 on October 31, 2016 at 6:56 pm

            Mr. Patriot, you’re apparently not able to recognize how you pick & choose. I think you might be giving more weight to Leviticus and the writings of Paul than you do to many of Jesus’ actual teachings. In your picking & choosing, you seem to have missed Matthew’s Gospel & the Beatitudes;

            Many of the sins or acts that offend you, Jesus had no recorded opinion on. Did Jesus hate gays? How could he?

            If you turn to Leviticus for your moral compass, wouldn’t that make you more Jewish than Christian? Oy! Talk about picking & choosing!

          • Christian_Patriot on November 1, 2016 at 8:40 am

            The whole Bible is the inspired Word of God.

          • Dano5 on November 1, 2016 at 10:32 am

            Then Donald Trump should be stoned for his many acts of Adultery (along with Bill Clinton & all of his GOP accusers).

          • Christian_Patriot on November 1, 2016 at 10:37 am

            You missed the part where Christ fulfills the law.

          • John Thomas on November 1, 2016 at 1:17 pm

            I’m sorry to be the one to tell you this Christian Patriot, but the Bible is not the “Word of God”. Jesus is. Nowhere does the Bible make such a claim, and it does state from cover to cover that Jesus is the Word. The Bible is the milk that points us to Jesus who then teaches us to be led by His spirit (My sheep will hear My voice and follow me). Jesus is the spokes-person, the mouthpiece of the Father (“I do not speak my own words”). The Word is always spoken….never written. Why would people take away authority from Jesus as the Word and give it to an inspired compilation of people’s experiences with God? It is just bad teaching to perpetuate such error. There is much more error in the churches because they also do not give authority to Jesus as Lord. Everyone wants Him as Savior, but very few will accept Him as Lord and believe His Words to be true….both recorded and spoken in our ear….

          • Christian_Patriot on November 1, 2016 at 1:50 pm

            I don’t disagree, nor did I claim otherwise.
            I did claim that the whole Bible is the inspired word of God. Not the “Word” (as in John 1:1 about Jesus).
            Simply a miss- application of the shift key on my part.

            Interesting that your comments also address the very content of my point I was making to Dano5.

          • John Thomas on November 1, 2016 at 4:17 pm

            So many believers put the Bible up on a pedastal and call it infallible because they have not learned how to be led by His spirit, or born again. They are still under the law and must have something to cling and point to. Keep seeking His face….

          • Christian_Patriot on November 2, 2016 at 6:49 am

            by the way the Bible is the infallible word of God.
            “”Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” Matthew 5:17
            God’s law is everlasting….hence why we needed to be saved.

          • John Thomas on November 2, 2016 at 9:32 am

            I’m sorry but it is impossible for the Bible to be infallible. It has many historical, factual, and theological errors. Which version is infallible? I am concerned how you cling to the Bible rather than believing for Jesus’ spirit to lead you. John 5:39….

          • Christian_Patriot on November 2, 2016 at 9:34 am

            what errors?

          • John Thomas on November 2, 2016 at 10:44 am

            It would be easiest for you to Bing “Bible errors” for a comprehensive look at Bible contradictions and such. The 3 gospel accounts of the tomb on Sunday morning show different facts. “Easter” is not the same as Passover and is a pagan holiday and is sometimes 3 weeks away from Passover on the calander. When we make Jesus our Lord as well as Savior, giving all authority to Him, He teaches us His truth by His spirit and we learn to hear His voice and follow Him. We are to be spirit-led…not Bible-led because we are now off the milk.

          • Christian_Patriot on November 2, 2016 at 11:17 am

            Nothing in the 3 accounts is contradictory.
            Easter is just the time its is celebrated.
            Again not a Biblical “error”.

            “There is no consensus regarding the exact date of the crucifixion of Jesus, although it is generally agreed by biblical scholars that it was on a Friday on or near Passover (Nisan 15), during the governorship of Pontius Pilate (who ruled AD 26–36).[79] Scholars have provided estimates for the year of crucifixion in the range 30–33 AD,[80][81][82] with the majority of modern scholars favoring the date April 7, 30 AD.[83][84] Another popular date is Friday, April 3, 33 AD.[85][86]” – wikipedia.

            I recommend you steer away from secularist/atheistic internet myths.

          • John Thomas on November 2, 2016 at 6:44 pm

            If you want to be serious about seeking Jesus and His Truth, then I need for you to look deeper than just the superficial. Jesus is our Teacher, our Professor. We sit at His feet and learn of Him. We have no need of the Bible or if any man, for He is all-sufficient.
            I am not saying that He does not use Scripture or men’s writings to teach us. I am saying that He must be above all of that for us to learn if Him.
            It is the Father who reveals His truth thru Jesus. We must give Him and His Son authority over all things in our life in order for Him to teach us.
            Whoever we give authority to determines what is “truth” for us….

          • Christian_Patriot on November 2, 2016 at 11:20 am

            Bible Contradictions: Does the Bible Contradict Itself?
            Well, if you’re like most people, I’m sure you’ve heard someone say “The Bible is full of contradictions.” Well, is this true? Does the Bible contradict itself?
            Does the Bible Contradict Itself- A definition
            Speaking of contradictions, let me begin by saying that two statements are said to contradict if the truth of one of the statements negates the truth of the other. Take for example the statements, “I have read the Bible,” and “I have never read the Bible.” Obviously, if one statement is true the other statement would have to be false. Let’s apply this to the Bible. Only after you can demonstrate that the truth of one passage, rules out the truth of another passage, can you justify the claim that the Bible contradicts itself.
            Does the Bible Contradict Itself- A Closer Look
            You see, many passages which seem to be in conflict are easily resolved by simply reading the text more carefully. In addition, an understanding of Greek or Hebrew, as well as a knowledge of geography and customs would be extremely helpful. Take for example the account of Paul’s conversion on the road to Damascus. In Acts 9:7 we read that during Paul’s encounter with Christ the men who were with him heard a voice. In Acts 22:9 we read that these men heard no voice. Well, what appears to be a hopeless contradiction is easily resolved by looking at the original Greek. Here we see a distinction between “hearing a sound as a noise” and “hearing a voice as a thought-conveying message.” Gleason Archer, an accomplished biblical scholar points out, that while Paul’s companions heard the Voice as a sound, Paul alone heard what was being said. (Kind of like the crowd who heard the sound of the Father talking to the Son in John 12:28, and thought they heard thunder.)
            The point is that rather than taking a fearful attitude when faced with an alleged biblical contradiction, we should view these occasions as opportunities to search and explore the Scriptures. One thing I can guarantee is this: It will only serve to deepen your awe of the majesty of Scripture.
            Does the Bible Contradict Itself- Conclusion
            In fact, the more I personally read the Bible, the more I marvel at this awesome Book. How is it possible for forty different authors to write over a span of 1,600 years, on three continents, in three languages, on hundreds of subjects — yet, without contradiction — and with one central storyline, God’s redemption of mankind. Truly, it can be said without contradiction that the Bible must be divine, rather than human in origin. On alleged biblical contradictions, that’s the CRI Perspective. I’m Hank Hanegraaff.
            For a book dealing with alleged Bible contradictions we recommend When Critics Ask (Baker) by Norman Geisler (B137). This resource is available through CRI. To place a credit card order, call toll-free (888) 7000-CRI. For shipping and handling information, please refer to our Resource Listing. To receive a free copy of our Resource Listing, call, fax or write us with your request (information below).

          • Christian_Patriot on November 2, 2016 at 11:23 am

            Are the Bible Manuscripts Reliable?
            (Part One of Five)

            “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.”

            —2 Timothy 3:16 NIV

            Bart Ehrman, professor of the Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, and author of Misquoting Jesus, pontificates that because we do not have the original writings of the Bible (autographa) and because “there are more differences among our manuscripts than there are words in the New Testament,” we cannot be sure what the original autograph’s actually said. Has God supernaturally preserved His Word over time, or are the extant biblical manuscripts hopelessly unreliable?

            First, it should be noted that the New Testament has stronger manuscript support than any other work of classical literature—including Homer, Plato, Aristotle, Caesar, and Tacitus. There are presently more than five thousand copies of Greek manuscripts in existence and as many as twenty thousand more translations in such languages as Latin, Coptic, and Syriac. The earliest manuscript fragments can be dated to within a hundred years after Christ’s death and resurrection. The accumulation of fragments is now so large that one can piece together most of the New Testament from fragments that are dated within two centuries of Christ’s death and resurrection. This is amazing when you consider that only 210 manuscript copies of Plato’s Dialogues are in existence—and there is a 1,300-year gap separating the earliest copy (ninth century AD) from the original writing (fourth century BC). Similarly, there are 1757 copies of Homer’s Iliad (the “bible” of the ancient Greeks) in existence—and there is a four hundred-year gap separating the earliest copy (fourth century BC) from the original writing (eighth century BC).

            At first blush, however, Ehrman’s argument that there are too many differences among the manuscripts to feel secure about the integrity of the text seems persuasive. That is until we actually examine the situation and discover that Ehrman’s thinking has little to commend it.

          • Christian_Patriot on November 2, 2016 at 11:23 am

            Are the Bible Manuscripts Reliable?
            (Part Two of Five)

            “The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God endures forever.”

            —Isaiah 40:8 NIV

            At first blush, Bart Ehrman’s argument that there are too many differences among the ancient biblical manuscripts to feel secure about the integrity of the text seems persuasive. That is until we actually examine the situation and discover that Ehrman’s thinking has little to commend it.

            Here’s why.

            Suppose you wrote an essay and asked five friends to produce a handwritten copy of it. Imagine further that each of them asked five friends to do the same. The first five would make mistakes, and those who copy the copies would make additional errors. By the “fifth generation” you would have approximately 4,000 flawed manuscripts. Sounds pretty grim, right? But think with me for a moment. Your five friends made mistakes, but they didn’t all make the same mistakes. If you compared the copies, you would find that one group contained the same mistakes, while the other four did not. This, of course, would make it easy to tell the copies from the original. Not only so, but most of the mistakes would be obvious—such as misspelled words or a missed conjunction. Even if you lost the original, as long as you had access to the copies, it would be a rather simple matter to reproduce the original piece.

            That’s essentially the situation with the New Testament. We’ve got thousands of copies that have been classified by scholars into groups and thus we can determine with great precision what the originals actually said. While it can be argued that there are differences in style and spelling among the various manuscripts, it cannot be credibly asserted that there are significant differences in substance.

          • Christian_Patriot on November 2, 2016 at 11:24 am

            Are the Bible Manuscripts Reliable?
            (Part Three of Five)

            “It is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.”

            —Luke 16:17 ESV

            For the New Testament, we’ve got thousands of copies of ancient hand-copied manuscripts that have been classified by scholars into groups, and thus by comparing them we can determine with great precision what the originals actually said. While it can be argued that there are differences in style and spelling among the various manuscripts, it cannot be credibly asserted that there are significant differences in substance.

            What is true of the New Testament is largely true of the Old Testament as well. The Dead Sea Scrolls (100 BC), which were discovered in the late 1940s, predate what was then the earliest extant text—Masoretic (AD 900)—by some 1,000 years. In other words, there was a full millennium during which the text might well have been significantly altered. When the Masoretic text was compared to the Dead Sea scrolls, however, differences in style and spelling were discovered, but no significant difference in substance.

          • Christian_Patriot on November 2, 2016 at 11:24 am

            Are the Bible Manuscripts Reliable?
            (Part Four of Five)

            “A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.”

            —Deuteronomy 19:15

            The reliability of Scripture is confirmed through the eyewitness credentials of its authors. Moses, for example, participated in and was an eyewitness to the remarkable events of the Egyptian captivity, the Exodus, the 40 years in the desert, and Israel’s final encampment before entering the Promised Land, all of which are accurately chronicled in the Old Testament. The New Testament has even stronger eyewitness authenticity. For example, Luke says that he gathered eyewitness testimony and “carefully investigated everything” (Luke 1:1–3). John writes, “That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life” (1 John 1:1). Likewise, Peter reminded his readers that the disciples “did not follow cleverly invented stories,” but “were eyewitnesses of [Jesus’] majesty” (2 Pet. 1:16). These were eyewitnesses, mind you, who were willing to testify to the point of shedding their own blood.

          • Christian_Patriot on November 2, 2016 at 11:25 am

            Are the Bible Manuscripts Reliable?
            (Part Five of Five)

            “Festus interrupted Paul’s defense. ‘You are out of your mind, Paul!’ he shouted. ‘Your great learning is driving you insane.

            ‘I am not insane, most excellent Festus,’ Paul replied. ‘What I am saying is true and reasonable. The king is familiar with these things, and I can speak freely to him. I am convinced that none of this has escaped his notice, because it was not done in a corner.'”

            —Acts 26:24–26

            Secular historians—including Josephus (before AD 100), the Roman Tacitus (around AD 120), the Roman Suetonius (AD 110), and the Roman governor Pliny the Younger (AD 110)—confirm the many events, people, places, and customs chronicled in the New Testament. Early church leaders such as Irenaeus, Tertullian, and Clement of Rome—all writing before AD 250—also shed significant light on the historical accuracy of the New Testament. From such sources one can piece together highlights of the life of Christ independent of the Bible. As such, credible historians today concede that the Bible is a remarkably reliable historical document.

          • Dano5 on October 31, 2016 at 5:39 pm

            And yet, here I am, a follower of Jesus.

            I’m not saying that Christianity is inherently evil; I’m saying that Islam is not inherently evil. But with Islam, or Christianity, or any organized religion, or with just about any person or group, you’ll find whatever you look for.

          • Christian_Patriot on November 1, 2016 at 8:44 am

            Anything that contradicts the Word of God is inherently evil.
            Islamic teachings emphasize practices that are in direct contradiction to the Word of God, and also heretical.
            Therefore Islam is inherently evil.

        • francis huxley on November 2, 2016 at 4:25 pm

          I think research shows there are great, great differences between Xtian civilization, and Islamic civilization, both pragmatically, and in essential scriptural differences, and in the manner of inception….it’s simplistic to make such a blanket comparison.

    • Gwen Acres on October 31, 2016 at 11:42 pm

      Well said. Thank you.

    • francis huxley on November 2, 2016 at 4:22 pm

      You have bought into all the left wing talking points…..being Xtian is as you say, living like Jesus….not expecting some gov bureaucrat to do that for us, that’s the siren song of progressivism( neo totalitarianism)…..which has wrought more human suffering and pain than any other ideology….conservatives are right, smaller gov works, as long as Xtians live up to their calling.

      • Dano5 on February 2, 2017 at 4:00 am

        Since being Christian is “living like Jesus”, I would think that Christians would be much more generous with the poor among us. After all, Jesus was homeless, unemployed, and lived off the generosity of others.

  12. Eileen Kirch on October 25, 2016 at 1:54 am

    Thank you so much for this! I especially agree with #2. I feel that since the Republican party brought the Christian Right under its wing, half of America has felt outcasted by Christians. I feel as though the GOP hijacked Christianity to serve its political purposes, to capture votes. When I wear my cross, I sense that people think that I must be a Republican and it might turn them away from me. I have loving moral altruistic left leaning friends who won’t consider Christianity because of the political policies associated with Christians. This is not what Jesus would want for us! He would want all to feel welcome to follow Him regardless of political leanings. His law is followed because He places it in our hearts, not because it is dictated by our government. Your quote, “And if you study it carefully, Jesus spent zero time asking the government to change during his ministry. In fact, people asked him to become the government, and he replied that his Kingdom is not of this world.” Amen! God is working through all of this to remind us of this truth! I see this as an opportunity for Christians to move away from being the church of the politicians and to move toward being the church of the people.

    • Dano5 on October 26, 2016 at 2:56 pm

      Well said, Eileen.

  13. john appleseed on October 24, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    I also am “far more interested in the implications for the church than anything,” Carey. That’s why it troubles me to see millions of church folks cheering for an incredibly evil man, while the world scratches their heads & says, “I thought Christians were supposed to oppose evil…?”

  14. Hal on October 24, 2016 at 8:45 pm

    You nailed it Carey. I was born and grew up literally the distance of a good baseball hit from the USA on the north side of the New Brunswick-Maine border. My paternal ancestors landed in Plymouth Mass. and then were founding members of the beautiful city of Westerly Rhode Island in the 1600s. I lived for a year in the beautiful Berkshire mountains of western Mass. and had my parents not been homesick and concerned about the needs of their parents, I probably would never have looked back. I attended a year of high school in the states and am much more versed in US history that our own. Many of my close friends during high school received a draft notice upon graduation and a ticket to Vietnam Nam while I had it easy in Canada. I listened to Jane Fonda et al call them cruel names and it hurt. Finally. I am a passionate Boston Red Sox fan…wonder why? I love Jesus and His body the church. My passion is to do everything that God calls me to especially in the area of the defence of life – the unborn and the elderly and specially abled. Most of my “home grown” Canadian friends and colleagues don’t understand why I am so interested in US elections. Your statement regarding who is responsible for the mess is exactly what I believe. The system allowed itself to denegrate to the point where it is badly broken and it is not capable of self repair. Your five points are what we the church need to bei reminded of. Thanks for for listening to HS and for passing on what he imparted to you. One of my favourite NT passages is Ephesians 6:11-18. In a nut shell, we don’t blame the person in front of us because it is bigger than them, we are given the equipment to fight the battle and best of all we are to stand and continue to stand. Shalom Yeshua!

  15. Chuck on October 24, 2016 at 7:55 pm

    I hesitate to admit, I actually cracked up when I read the first prediction, as it is so painfully on target. This could be a very good thing for evangelism. It could also serve to further expose the raw tender underside of the Church in its present condition. While I don’t support either candidate, I’d rather not stump about that, and just say that I agree with most here. Now is the time for the Church Universal to show itself for what it really needs to be: followers of God Almighty and His Son Jesus Christ. That is all.

  16. Donna Bleiler on October 24, 2016 at 5:40 pm

    I agree with much of what is said. I do think the church can look no further than inside their doors for why this country has turn its back on God’s values. When only 50% of Christians vote and just simply lay back and say it’s in God’s hand is a disgrace to God. God works through people and if you don’t lend your hand in your vote you are limiting God’s work. What I agree with is that God doesn’t rule through government, so don’t be so concerned about the characters that are running. All that God wants you to do is vote His principles. Which candidate will allow God’s work to go forward. Then let God take care of the character of whom we elect. God used a sin filled Cyrus to build His second temple. If you follow Donald Trump, there is a refinement taking place in his character. Some of the best know prophets are saying God is preparing him to bring the US back to the greatest mission field headquarters on earth. But, it won’t happen if Christians don’t vote.

  17. Dave Francis on October 24, 2016 at 4:23 pm

    I have thought much about God’s sovereignty over the previous weeks leading up to Nov. 8. I have one vote and plan to exercise it but depend much on the truth and reality of God being sovereign over all. I’m reminded of Hebrews 2:9 “But we see Jesus…” when the world around us appears like so much is out of control. I’m so grateful that I can rest and peace in God’s sovereignty. Thanks Carey.

  18. J. C. on October 24, 2016 at 1:32 pm

    Well said. You articulated several things I have been thinking far better than I could have. I believe wholeheartedly that this is a season in our country (I’m in America) where everything from racial injustice to political hijinks are “tilling the soil.” The next generation is unwilling, maybe even incapable of accepting the institutions that have repetitively failed them. Now, more than ever, we (Christians) have an opportunity to respond to anger and hatred with love. There is no more powerful action than that and it can, and I believe will, change everything.

  19. Jon Stallings on October 24, 2016 at 12:24 pm

    Hey Carey, I really hope you are right on #2 – Sadly here in the states we have confused patriotism with Christianity. Even though we know by example that laws (look at the Old Testament) do very little to change the sinful hear of men, we still think that passing the right laws will return us to a Christian nation.

  20. Tom Harshberger on October 24, 2016 at 12:16 pm

    Of course it takes a Canadian to write a ‘Christian’ perspective on our presidential election without being inflammatory! Great insights here, regardless of the outcome. I love how you refuse to dwell on what’s currently in our faces and constantly pursue the ‘what’s next’ for Christian leadership. I’m just surprised you didn’t end with ‘sorry.’ 😉 …thankful for you, Carey!

  21. Chad Payne on October 24, 2016 at 12:01 pm

    Yes, yes, a thousand times yes! Thank you, Carey!

  22. Scott and Dawn Busby on October 24, 2016 at 11:36 am

    Thank you for this hopeful counsel!

  23. Jim Duggan on October 24, 2016 at 11:23 am

    I think you are dead on. Pretty good for a friend from north of the border. I think these will be some of the best days for the Church. The 1st Century church thrived when all odds were stacked against them. I pray we will too. God bless you Carey, and thanks again.

  24. Cheryl on October 24, 2016 at 10:30 am

    Great article. Thanks. Do you know what surprises me the most? People I personally know refusing to acknowledge the criminal behaviour of the candidate they support, while I watch them scream in outrage at the behaviour of their opponent. This apparent disconnect scares me – actually scares me a lot. I’ve witnessed the sun go down on the Age of Reason.

    • Dano5 on October 26, 2016 at 2:34 pm


      Applying the same standard to both/all candidates is the only reasonable approach.

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