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CNLP 086: Josh Whitehead on Why Senior Pastors, Executive Pastors and Business Leaders Don’t Trust Each Other, and How to Fix it

In 2003, Joshua Whitehead left business to start serving at Faith Promise Church. Since 2005 he’s served as Executive Pastor and seen the church grow to 5 locations and 6,800 people. Josh and I talk about why so many leaders don’t trust each other and how to overcome the gap.

Welcome to Episode 86 of the Podcast.

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Guest Links: Josh Whitehead

JoshWhitehead.Net

Leadership Network

Faith Promise Church

Josh on Twitter

Links Mentioned in this Episode

ThinkOrange.org.au

John Burke

Dave McDaniel; Episode 47

Larry Osborne

Andy Stanley; Episode 1

Bill Hybels

Doing Time Sermon Series

Jarrett Stevens; Episode 73

Four Small Words: A Simple Way to Understand the Bible

3 Things You Can Do Right Away

High-capacity leaders often face challenges when connecting their vision to others, but the lines get blurry among different levels of leadership. Josh tells us how to address the conflict and what leaders can do to overcome the obstacles.

  1. Support your senior pastor. Pastors will teeter between fear and faith while entrepreneurs seem to jump right in, because success in the church isn’t always met with applause, and people will question your motives. But keep in mind that God spoke into your senior pastor. You’re there because you both have the same goal, and you should have each other’s back.
  2. Set boundaries to build trust. Senior leaders have been hurt, and many are stuck in their hurt. Know that what one staff member did doesn’t mean that all staff members will do you wrong in the future. Be transparent, address your concerns and set expectations up front. Put measures in place, such as placing a focus on culture, that will allow you to move forward and put the ministry first. If others aren’t aligning with the mission, it may be time to separate.
  3. Understand differences between church and business leaders. There are several discrepancies between church and business leaders because what each values is so different. The individuals within each realm should connect and discuss the challenges they face to get better insight to the issues each faces.

Lasting Impact Team Edition is available today!

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I’m excited to announce that the Lasting Impact Team edition releases today! It’s a compilation of eight videos designed to allow the teams in your church follow along with as a supplement to the book. I highlight key points from the material and discuss additional hot topics that relate to your ministry.

To be the first to get your copy, visit LastingImpactBook.com! Plus, if you order right away, you will gain access to a private Facebook group where I’ll answer questions from time to time, and where you’ll have the support of many other leaders trying lead the same conversations in their church. But hurry. Access to the private Facebook closes at 11:59 May 31st 2016.

Get your copy of Lasting Impact today! 

My latest book is available now. It’s designed especially of church leaders and their teams.

Lasting Impact frames 7 pivotal conversations every church team needs to have, covering subject like declining church attendance, team health, creating a culture volunteers love and how to engineer change in your church.

Order on Amazon, or visit LastingImpactBook.com! The video team edition, featuring 8 videos where I teach through the key concepts in the book, is available now as well!

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Next Episode: Josh Pezold

Josh Pezold has done at least unique things in the last few years. He’s parachuted into New England to start a church from scratch in a community in which he never lived, and he chose Carey Nieuwhof as a personal mentor. We talk about both in today’s podcast.

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10 Church Growth Strategies That Cost Zero Dollars

So you want your church to accomplish its mission and reach people.

But so often in church leadership, it’s easy to believe growth can’t really happen unless you spend money on some new initiatives.

And that leaves a lot of church leaders stuck. Why? Because the vast majority of churches are underfunded, not over-funded.

Faced with a lack of resources, too many church leaders throw in the towel and believe growth isn’t possible.

But that’s a fallacy.

Vision always precedes resources. If you’re waiting for people and money to show up so you can get on with your mission, you’ll wait forever.

So how do you start growing now, even with zero dollars?

Here are 10 ways.

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1. Exude more passion

It’s amazing to me how little passion many church leaders exude.

We have the most amazing mission on planet earth. And we have a generation of young adults in front of us who want to give their lives to a cause that’s bigger than themselves.

Yet it’s easy to believe that the only way to reach the next generation is by spending money on lights, gear and sound. As I outlined in this post, that’s just not true.

You don’t need a polished church to reach the next generation nearly as much as you need a passionate church. Because when it comes to reaching the next generation, passion beats polish.

2. Cut the weird

Christians can be socially weird.

Too often, we use unnecessarily weird language—like this:

“This is good coffee, brother.”

“Amen. Hallelujah.”

Why not just talk like you do at church the way you talk at the office or at a football game or on a Saturday by the pool? (Actually, if you talk like that normally, you probably don’t get invited out too often.)

Here’s what’s actually at stake: if someone actually has to learn code to join your church, you likely won’t have many people joining your church.

Our challenge is to reduce the human barriers that keep people from Jesus, not to erect new ones.

And, no, being weird does not mean you’re being faithful. It just means you’re being weird.

3. Expand your vision

Vision is a leader’s best friend, and it’s free.

After two decades of leading and communicating in the local church, I am convinced it is impossible to overstate or overestimate the vision of the church.  As Bill Hybels has said, the local church really is the hope of the world.

If you don’t dream big dreams for your church, who will?

If you don’t communicate big vision for your church, who will?

4. Encourage people to fall in love with your mission, not your methods

The reason change is so difficult in many churches is because members fall in love with methods, not with mission.

A method is a way of doing things: programs the church runs, the style of music, the architecture of a building or facility, a staffing or governance model.

Those are all simply methods that can and should change with every generation or even more frequently.

The mission is what you’re doing (like reaching people with the love and hope of Jesus), and it never changes.

The more you focus on the mission, the easier it is to change the methods.

5. Smile more

I know ‘smile more’ sounds trivial. But just look around you. Hardly anyone smiles.

If the Gospel is good news, you would never know it from looking at many Christians.

I have to remind myself when I communicate to smile more. It’s not my natural facial expression.

A smile can make a huge difference in any almost any relationship.

So smile more and remind your people to smile more. Honestly, this makes a huge difference in how people perceive you.

6. Stop fighting

I have no statistics on this, but my guess is in-fighting has killed more churches than moral failure has.

Christians, it’s hard to convince the world that God loves it when we constantly fight with each other.

If your church is fighting, there should be zero mystery as to why it isn’t growing.

7. Pay much better attention to first time guests

I have almost never met a church whose members claimed they were unfriendly.

In fact, most church members are stumped as to why people don’t like they’re church because they’re so ‘friendly.’

But being a ‘friendly’ church can often mean you’re friendly to each other, not to guests.

Change that.

Make sure guests feel genuinely appreciated, welcomed and that their questions are answered. This does NOT mean making them stand up in the service or socially awkward things like that (see point 2 above).

It does mean treating guests the way they want to be treated.

8. Treat your volunteers better

Many leaders fall into the trap of thinking that great leadership comes only when you can hire a great staff.

Nonsense.

You have a great team—they’re called your volunteers. And as I outlined in this post, you can pay your volunteers in non-financial currencies.

If you create a healthy volunteer culture, you’ll be amazed at how well your volunteers serve.

No matter how big you get as a church, you will never have enough money to hire all the staff you want. And you will always need a growing group of passionate, committed, aligned volunteers.

I write an entire chapter on creating a great volunteer culture in my book and video series, Lasting Impact: 7 Powerful Conversations That Will Help Your Church Grow.

The bottom line? Passionate volunteers create a passionate church.

9. Invite someone

So there’s this thing out there called personally inviting a friend. Ever heard of it?

Okay, maybe that was a little sarcastic. But I am amazed by how often most of us neglect personally inviting our unchurched friends to church.

Many actually say yes when asked.

If everyone invited one person next weekend, think of what might happen.

Church leaders, encourage people to invite friends, and start by inviting someone yourself.

10. Become friends with people who aren’t Christians

Last time I checked, friendship was free too. Which is a good thing.

The sad reality is that the reason #9 is impossible for some people is because many Christians don’t actually know any non-Christians.

Change that.

Be a friend.

Hang out with that guy at work. Throw a party for the neighbours in your back yard. Talk to the other parents at school.

Get out of the Christian bubble and into the world Jesus died for.

If you’re at church 7 nights a week, you can’t be friends with non-Christians. So cut a few nights and go live the mission.

That’s why our church has almost no programming on week nights other than small groups. We want our people to love the community.

The only way you can love a community is to actually be in the community.

You can’t love people you don’t know.

Want More?

Well, that’s a lot of free and that’s exactly where you should start. You can accomplish so much if you just begin.

If you want to know how to raise more money for ministry (without a capital campaign), there’s also practical help. While we use all of the above strategies at Connexus Church, where I serve, we also have raised more money for ministry. The Rocket Company offers the exact process we used at Connexus to raise more money for your mission.

It’s called Thrive, and it will help your church raise money for ministry without a capital campaign. Using the approach outlined in Thrive has helped grow our giving by 90% over the last 5 years. You can get more information on Thrive or sign up here.

What Do You Think?

What have you done in your church that’s helped you reach more people?

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7 Ways to Get the Most Out of Rethink Leadership and Orange Conference

I am super excited, because this week (Wednesday, April 27-Friday April 29th) I’m speaking at the Rethink Leadership Conference in Atlanta and hanging out at the Orange Conference next door. And I’m not alone. Over 8,000 leaders will be gathering for these events.

One of my very favourite things to do in this life is connect with other leaders who are trying to make a difference in the local church, whether as staff or volunteers.

You don’t even have to be there to get all the benefit. (There’s live blogging for Rethink Leadership and  live streaming for Orange Conference)

So whether you are there in person or watching online, here are 7 tips.

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1. Don’t Do This Alone

Many senior leaders are loners by nature. To be honest, I can get in that space.

I like to talk to the people I already know. I avoid meeting new people if I can. But it’s a terrible mistake.

Getting to know other leaders, sharing a meal, sitting together at sessions and hanging out during breaks is one of the best ways to sharpen your skills as a leader, grow a network of support, ideas and encouragement and honestly just make friends. Remember friends senior leaders?

I have met so many people at conferences who have become life long friends and ministry collaborators. Don’t miss the gift of the community.

Remember: Solitude is a gift from God. Isolation is a tool of the enemy.

So make some connections. Even if you’re at home, watch and engage with a friend.

 

2. Follow the Hashtags

One of the easiest ways to track everything that’s happening is through hashtags—whether you’re at the conference or at home. Most of my personal updates at the conference will be via twitter or Instagram, but I will make occasional ventures onto Facebook (where hashtags work less well).

The hashtags are perfect for those who don’t attend, but will optimize the experience for those who do.

#RL16 #OC16 are the official conference hashtags.

#OC16Live is the official hashtag of the live stream for Orange Conference (Rethink Leadership, where I’ll be speaking all week, isn’t live streamed).

3. Live Tweeting

I’ll be live tweeting much of the conference, and my sessions will also be live tweeted (thanks to my team). That will make it easy to follow along.

Just follow me on Twitter to catch the latest.

4. Follow the Live Blog

My friend Brian Dodd will be live blogging the entire Rethink Leadership event.

Brian is a leadership blogging machine…so make sure you check his site regularly. There’s no one like Brian when it comes to leadership!

If you want to follow other bloggers blogging the Orange Conference, here’s a complete list.

5. Live Stream!

So you can’t make it? Orange Conference has a live stream. You might not get every session, but you’ll get a ton, I mean a ton, of the experience.

I’ll be doing a live interview on the stream Friday at 1:45 p.m. with Jared Herd and Elle Campbell. That is always so much fun. (We’ll periscope that interview too…just for fun.)

Follow the live stream at www.theorangeconference.com.

6. Evernote

Okay..now a bonus tip. Ever wonder how to synthesize the best learnings you’re trying to capture?

My hands-down top choice for note taking is Evernote. I know almost everyone knows about Evernote, but if you’re not using it at conferences, you’re missing out. Evernote’s free primer on how to use it will get you started if you’re new to it.

I love that I can do a search through the last few years of Orange Conference and this year’s new Rethink Leadership event notes simply by searching “Orange Conference”, “Rethink Leadership” or the name of the speaker, or a key word, or anything I might half remember. It always calls it up. And you can be far more organized for that. And it syncs seamlessly across all devices. Brilliant.

7. Let Me Help Your Team

It’s one thing to get a lot of insights. It’s another to take them home.

The challenge of leadership is that you have to persuade other people to embrace the break through you want to see.

I address seven key issues facing churches today in my book, Lasting Impact: 7 Powerful Conversations That Can Help Your Church Grow.

This week at the conferences, I’m releasing Lasting Impact Team Edition to help you have even better conversations with your board, staff, elders, volunteers and teams.

What’s the Team Edition?

It’s eight videos I shot outlining the key ideas in the book, designed for you as a leader to play for your team before you dive into the conversations in the book (conversations like “Why Are We Not Growing Faster?” and “Why Are We Not Attracting High Capacity Volunteers?” among others).

It’s like having me come to your church, frame the issue for your team and then give you the tools to have the conversations you need to break through.

All you need to do to start your meeting is press play, and after you can dive right into the conversation (the discussion guide is in the book). I even included a bonus video on how to have pivotal conversations as a team without things going sideways.

You can get it today by direct download or on a USB key if you prefer physical media.

Lasting Impact Team EditionMy team has even put together Team Edition Bundles that you the best deal possible on on the videos and volume purchases of the book in 510 and 20 book bundles.

If you get the Team Edition now, you’ll also get access to an exclusive private Facebook group.

Imagine going through the conversations not just with your team, but with advice and support from other church leaders navigating the same issues you are. Plus, I’ll be jumping in on the conversation within the Facebook group from time to time. (If you purchase the Team Edition by May 31st, you’ll receive an email inviting you to the group. We’re sending out our first batch of invitations on May 13.) But hurry, the Facebook group option is time limited.

So that’s it. Hope all of this helps you lead like never before. 

If you’re in Atlanta this week, I can’t wait to say hi. If you’re watching online, make sure you shout out on social media.

It’s going to be an incredible week!

Whit George

CNLP 085: Whit George on How to Work with Family in Ministry, Taking Over Leadership, and Learning How to Lead in A Brand New Role

Church on the Move in Tulsa, Oklahoma, is known for innovation. It’s also about to undergo a significant leadership transition.

Today I talk with the driving force behind much of the creative innovation at the church in the last decade, Whit George, who is the Executive Pastor and one-day Senior Pastor of COTM, as he prepares to succeed his father, Willie George.

Welcome to Episode 85 of the Podcast.

 

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Guest Links: Whit George

Seeds Conference

WhitGeorge.Consulting

Church on the Move

Whit on Twitter 

Links Mentioned in this Episode

Josh Gagnon; Episode 61

Andy Stanley; Episode 1

10 Reasons Even Committed Church Attenders Are Attending Church Less Often

Chris Vacher

Tom and Todd Mullins

Haydn Shaw; Episode 69

Bill Hybels

Lasting Impact Team Edition is available today!

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I’m excited to announce that the Lasting Impact Team edition releases today! It’s a compilation of eight videos designed to allow the teams in your church follow along with as a supplement to the book. I highlight key points from the material and discuss additional hot topics that relate to your ministry.

To be the first to get your copy, visit LastingImpactBook.com! Plus, if you order right away, you will gain access to a private Facebook group where I’ll answer questions from time to time, and where you’ll have the support of many other leaders trying lead the same conversations in their church. But hurry. Access to the private Facebook closes at 11:59 May 31st 2016.

Get your copy of Lasting Impact today! 

My latest book is available now. It’s designed especially of church leaders and their teams.

Lasting Impact frames 7 pivotal conversations every church team needs to have, covering subject like declining church attendance, team health, creating a culture volunteers love and how to engineer change in your church.

Order on Amazon, or visit LastingImpactBook.com! The video team edition, featuring 8 videos where I teach through the key concepts in the book, is available now as well!

3 Things You Can Do Right Away

Whit worked his way from being the church landscaper to being in senior leadership, but his advancement was inherited from his dad. When you follow in the footsteps of someone else, how do you make your own path, and what does that transition look like? Whit tells us about the struggles he encountered and how he worked through them.

  1. You will get frustrated. “It didn’t matter how good my dad did it,” Whit said. “I was always going to be frustrated.” Frustration is part of human nature. Look at Adam and Eve, and look at Peter and Judas. They were two different situations, neither were happy, and there was a great deal of vexation toward indignities. The reality is that it doesn’t matter if you were working at the perfect church or your leader is perfect, because of sin, you’re going to get frustrated.
  2. Embrace differences. Stop being frustrated, embrace change and enjoy it. Whit said God spoke to him. “If everything was done the way I wanted it done, there would be no need for me.” So often we lose patience with how something is said or done, and we don’t stop to analyze the heart behind it. In your prayer, start telling God thank you for what’s meant to be in your life. Turn your frustration into thankfulness. When you’re thankful, it’s hard to be angry.
  3. Be patient. Focus on the things you can control, leverage them and let God do the rest. It easy to hold on to control in the midst of transition because you want to see progress, but when you’re praying into your faith, don’t ask for authority, take responsibility. As leaders, we lose patience with how long it takes for things to happen, so be mindful of God’s timing.

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Your rating and review helps gets the podcast in front of new leaders and listeners. Your feedback also lets me know how I can better serve you.

Thank you for being so awesome.

Next Episode: Josh Whitehead

In 2003, Joshua Whitehead left business to start serving at Faith Promise Church. Since 2005 he’s served as Executive Pastor and seen the church grow to 5 locations and 6,800 people. Josh and I talk about why so many leaders don’t trust each other and how to overcome the gap.

Subscribe for free now, and you won’t miss Episode 86.

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5 Ways Morning People Really DO Have a Leadership Advantage

So you’re trying to be more productive—to get more done in less time.

Here’s the question: does it really make a difference whether you’re a morning person or not when it comes to productivity?

One of the more frequently asked questions I get as a leader is ‘how do you get it all done?’   (church, blogging, podcast, speaking and writing books).

My answer is usually a variation of “It’s amazing what you can get done before 8 a.m. if you try.”

As painful as that may sound to you, it’s probably also true for you. The best leaders I know get more done before 10 a.m. than many people get done in a day.

Let me show you why and how.

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I wasn’t always a morning person.

I spent my university days choosing classes based on how late they started so I could sleep in.

I’ve made the transition from NOT being a morning person to getting up most days between 4:30 and 5:30 a.m.

How did that happen? Well, the journey got started when my wife and I got married (I decided to get up at 8 because she was a morning person).

Having kids a few years later threw my schedule out the window and I started rising around 6 and kept that discipline up through my 30s. Usually I would get up early, pound through some email (after devotions) and then make breakfast and then start work in earnest around 9.

I spent my 30s wanting to write a book and having friends tell me I should. But I didn’t.

It wasn’t until my 40s that I started getting up earlier and really committing to a 5:00 a.m. wake up call.

Since then, I’ve led our church to the largest it’s ever been, published three books, blogged regularly, launched a podcast and spoken more regularly at conferences…plus spent meaningfully more time with my wife and kids than before.

Is that ALL because I got up earlier? No, age and stage have their advantages.

You accumulate (hopefully) wisdom, learn to do things faster, and your kids get older and don’t demand 24/7 attention like they used to (although I’m still convinced parenting teens requires as much or more time than parenting toddlers). Could I have done all of this in my 30s? Probably not.

But if I got up at 7 a.m. or 8 a.m. most days, I’m convinced all I’d be able to handle is my day job…and I’m convinced I would do it more poorly at that. In other words, I’m not sure I’d be doing anything more than my day job had I kept sleeping in.

So how does being a morning person give me (and many other leaders) a distinct advantage?

Here are 5 reasons:

1. Your brain is (probably) at its best

Personally, there’s no doubt I get my best work done before 10:00 a.m. My most creative thoughts, best insights and clearest analysis happens well before lunch.

I’m amazed at how many high capacity leaders I know tell me the same thing.

Some research backs up my personal findings—that morning people do significantly better overall than night owls do.

Other studies show a more balanced view with night owls gaining a few advantages over morning people.

My guess is we could trade studies all day long to make our points, but I’ve personally never been better than when I’m up early.

Your most important asset as a leader is your mind.

And personally, my brain just does better when it’s fresh off of rest. (I think sleep is the secret leadership weapon no one wants to talk about.) By working early (even if it’s just an hour), you do your most important work when your brain is at its best.

Naps can also reset your brain during the day…and I will often take a nap if I can. However, I find a nap recharges my brain for far less time than a 6-8 hour sleep will.

Your brain simply serves you better as a leader when it’s rested.

2. You’re more efficient because you beat rush hour

Work patterns are a lot like traffic patterns: at 5 a.m. you have the road to yourself. At 8 a.m., it could take you three times as long to travel the same distance.  

These days I do everything I can to beat traffic, not just on the road, but in life. I do most of my shopping at off hours.  My wife and I have even begun to do off-season travel.

Why? Because we end up having have more time to do what matters most.

Ditto with work.

Guess who’s texting you at 5:30 a.m.? Nobody.

Guess who’s emailing for you an urgent response at 6:15 a.m.? Nobody.

You’ve got the work lane all to yourself, which means you can work un-interrupted. You can think uninterrupted. You can actually accomplish all your most important tasks completely distraction-free.

And for a naturally ADD guy, I’m grateful for that.

By the way, this reason alone is enough for me to recommend starting early to any leader.

Working when no one else is working gives any leader a distinct advantage.

Any other time of the day, people are trying to communicate with you. But rarely do they do that before 8 a.m.

3. You get to work on your most important tasks

You know what’s fascinating about leadership?

Nobody asks you to accomplish your most important priorities. They just criticize you if you don’t.

In fact, not only will your colleagues never ask you to accomplish your priorities, they will usually ask you to help accomplish theirs.

Which is why you never get your work done.

That’s also what email is, by the way, other people asking you to do things that aren’t on your task list.

By starting early, you can accomplish your priorities and THEN be available to help others with theirs, in person or via email.

Starting early eliminates so much of the push and pull of the every day. Plus you’ll be far more kind and gracious when you interact with them, because you’re already done.

4. You already have series of wins under your belt

Sometimes all you need as a leader is some kind of win.

Starting early gives you that:

You got a jump on your message.

You came up with a great idea.

You discovered a new strategy.

You banged out a chapter you were not expecting to write.

You got the retreat planned ahead of scheduled.

With one or two wins under your belt, the rest of the day is easier.

So much of leadership remains undone at the end of the day–except for what you got done first.

5. Your big to-do’s are already done

Not only is SOMETHING done before 10:00 a.m., if you use your time well, the most important task for the day is done by mid-morning.

I’ve never tried this, but I suspect if I stopped working at 10:00 a.m. most days I’d still be 70% as productive as I am now. And more importantly, I’d have the most significant things done.

The way I usually spend my later time is in meetings, answering email or doing other tasks that require less mental energy.

But again, even if those don’t go well or take longer than expected, the big stuff is already accomplished. Which means you’re kind of already done for the day.

Think about what that could mean to you and the people you love: when you start early, you get your evenings back, your weekends back and your life back. Because your big work is…done. 

Start Now

So how can you become a morning person?

I’d try setting your alarm 15 minute earlier every week until you hit the time you think you need to be up. In a month, you could be operating one hour earlier than before.  (And remember to go to bed earlier too. I’m generally in bed between 9:30 and 10 most nights.)

Michael Hyatt has some great ideas on becoming a morning person as well.

The bottom line is: start now.

Wanting to be a morning person brings you none of the benefits of becoming a morning person.

What Do You Think?

Well morning people? What do you think? And night owls, we love you. We really do.

But I’d love to hear from everyone what you’re learning about productivity and time shifting.

Scroll down and leave a comment! Let’s get better together.

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7 Keys to Asking Better Questions (What I’ve Learned From My Leadership Podcast)

If you want to become a better leader (and who doesn’t?), the key is simple: learn to ask better questions.

I wish I knew that 20 years ago when I started.

I thought leadership was about giving answers, not asking questions.

I still have to reign myself in from talking too much and listening too little, but I’ve worked hard on the art of asking questions over the last few years.

In mid-2014, I became immersed more deeply than ever before into the art of asking questions as I prepared to launch my leadership podcast (you can subscribe for free here).  It’s been an amazing journey, as 20 months in we just celebrated passing one million downloads. (Thank you to everyone for making the podcast so amazing!)

In addition, last year, I started interviewing for 100 Huntley Street, a national TV show in Canada (here’s an interview I did with Ravi Zacharias).

One of the surprisingly consistent questions I get is how I come up with the questions for my guests.

People seem to notice the approach I take and want to know how I prepare the questions.

The reality is I haven’t known how to answer that question except to say “I don’t know, I just do it.” Not very helpful.

I also get interviewed frequently these days, and I’ve come to the conclusion that there are better lines of questioning, and not-so-great lines of questioning.

So I sat down to try to figure out the principles behind the art of asking better questions.

Here’s what I’ve come up with. I think the principles work whenever you are interacting with someone…whether it’s the foyer on a Sunday, in a meeting, or for a podcast or show.

Asking better questions is foundational to better leadership.

So how do you learn to ask better questions?

I want to keep growing in this field, but here are 7 things I’m discovering.

better questions1. Put yourself in their shoes

You may be getting together to discuss an issue, but behind every issue is a person.

When you speak to the person behind the issue, not just the issue, you always have a better conversation.

How do you do that?

Start here: imagine what it’s like to be them.

This is true if you’re talking to Andy Stanley or whether you’re talking to a college student anxious about what’s next after graduation.

People have emotions, fears, dreams, hopes and experience everything else you do.

A great way to access this stream of thinking is to imagine the questions you would have if you were them.

Imagine launching a church that grows exponentially. What would your hopes, dreams and fears be?

Sure, the person you’re speaking with might respond differently than you would (and be open to that), but this at least gets you into the same emotional ball park.

If you can imagine what it’s like to be them, your questions will not only become better, but they’ll like you. Why? Because you just showed interest and empathy. And we all respond better to an interested, empathetic person.

2. Avoid putting people on the defensive

Most people heading into an interview or conversation are a bit worried—whether that’s a job interview, a podcast or TV interview, or a meeting where you’re asking questions.

They’re afraid they’re going to say something they’ll regret. Or afraid you’re out to make them look bad.

People sense right away whether you’re trying to make them look bad. And they respond to you accordingly.

Any cheap press or momentary victory you get from a controversial quote is in my view, so not worth it.

I never want to make anyone look bad. Even if I disagree with a person.

I just want them to tell their story…and if you put them at ease, they will.

“But what about the truth?” say the suspicious among you.

Well, that doesn’t mean you don’t ask real questions. But in fact, when someone is at ease, they’ll often tell you far more than they would if you put them on the defensive.

If you want to listen to a couple of very authentic interviews on very controversial topics, you can listen to my conversation with Justin Dean on the collapse of Mars Hill Church in Seattle, or Aaron Harris on what it’s been like for him to grow up in the church as gay man.

3. Ask what it felt like

I’m a logical guy. I think a lot. I’m a law school graduate. Most of what I do these days boils down to thinking, solving problems and then figuring out how to communicate what I’ve learned.

As a result, I constantly process principles behind why things are the way they are, and why people do what we do.

But deep down, we’re all emotional creatures. I am. You are.

So is anyone you talk to.

If you really want to connect with the person you’re speaking with (or interviewing), when they tell you about a critical moment in their life (good or bad) ask them what it felt like.

What was it like to learn you had cancer?

What did it feel like to have half your church walk out overnight?

What did it feel like for you as a leader to go from 100 people to 1000 people attending your church overnight?

What were you feeling when you failed out of college and had to go home to tell your parents?

In those moments, you move from head-to-head conversation to heart-to-heart conversation.

And those are my favourite conversations. That’s the kind of stuff around which friendships and bonds form—both between you and your guests, and your guests and any listeners.

4. Look for the counter-intuitive or exceptional

Lots of counter-intuitive things happen in life.

Follow that trail.

For example, when I interviewed Perry Noble about burning out in Episode 2 of my leadership podcast, he mentioned it happened when his church had never been bigger and when things had never been ‘better.’

That really surprised me, and we spent a good part of the interview exploring that.

Exploring the counter-intuitive usually leads to great places because it attacks widely held assumptions. For example, people assume you burn out with things are going poorly, not when things are going well.

In a similar way, people are surprised that successful people struggle.

In my view, that’s what made the interview I did with Passion Ministries founder Louie Giglio so riveting. He talked openly and honestly about how success led him to break down and how he battled back.

Bottom line? If something surprises you, chase it.

5. Drill down

Our world is filled with 2-minute sound bites.

The best conversations in my view never happen in 10 minutes or between commercial breaks. They happen long after people have used all their sound bites and pushed past their ready-made answers.x

I took a risk in doing long-form podcasting when I launched (the average episode is around an hour). The reason I chose that path is because meaningful real life conversations tend to be longer, not shorter.

Taking your time also allows you to drill down on key issues.

Whether it’s my podcast, a meeting, or even a job interview I’m conducting, most of my questions are unplanned. I always write questions out ahead of time, but you can’t really anticipate the good stuff.

When you hear something someone says that piques your interest, drill down on it.

Go further. As in:

What do you mean by that?

Fascinating…tell me more.

What happened next?

What…say that again? What happened?

That kind of questioning opens up the floodgates for new insights and principles.

If you just move onto the next question, you usually lose a goldmine in the process.

6. Be curious

Curiosity is your best friend as a leader.

When you’re interviewing, act more like a 6-year-old than a 36-year-old.

Ask why…a lot.

If you’re genuinely curious, ask:

Why did you think that?

Why do you think that happened?

Why didn’t you quit?

Why did you make that decision?

‘How’ is another amazing curiosity question:

How did you even think that was possible?

Wait, how did that happen?

How did you possibly think that might work?

Even in a meeting setting, you will learn so much more about the person you’re talking with or the issue you’re studying if you stay curious.

The best leaders I know are insatiably curious.

They want to know how and why things work, and they want to know more about the things they don’t know about.

So…be curious.

7. Forget about yourself

Too many leaders are interested in making a point rather than asking a question.

And that’s a critical mistake.

If you’re always trying to show how smart you are, you accomplish the opposite.

When I started my podcast in the fall of 2014, my wife listened to the first few episodes and said (in a very loving way), “You talk too much.”

I felt like saying, “It’s MY podcast!”

But she was right.

Since that time, I try to talk less than 10% of the time in a interview (unless the interview is designed to be a two-way conversations, as a few have been).

I’ve tried to talk a lot less in my daily leadership as well. It’s way too easy for me to dominate meetings and I have to put a constant check on my tongue and brain.

After all, leaders, when you listen first and speak second, people are far more interested in what you have to say.

What Do You Think?

Hopefully asking better questions leaves you and whoever you’re talking with feel amazing after a conversation. That’s my goal whenever I talk to a leader, on air or off air.

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CNLP 084: Leading a Rapidly Growing Turn Around Church at Age 29: An Interview with Brent Ingersoll

Leading a turnaround church is tough.

Leading it after the previous leader experienced moral failure is even harder.

Doing it all at age 29 makes the story remarkable. Brent Ingersoll stepped directly from student ministry into the senior leader’s chair where he’s led the church to rapid growth and expansion in an area in which few churches are growing. Here’s Brent Ingersoll’s story.

Welcome to Episode 84 of the Podcast.

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Guest Links: Brent Ingersoll

Kings Valley Church

Brent on Twitter

Brent on Instagram

Brent on Facebook

Links Mentioned in this Episode

Tim Guptill; Episode 63

John Stickl; Episode 29

Andy Stanley; Episode 1

Celebrate Recovery

3 Things You Can Do Right Away

In his late 20s, Brent became the lead pastor of a church that was on the decline after irreconcilable conflicts with the former pastor. From his experience, Brent walks us through the steps he took to develop a team, grow his ministry and hang on to faith in the process.

  1. Let God go to work. Brent was thrown into a situation where the only resource he had was God. When you’re in the midst of a difficult season, recognize that God will pour out His grace, and trust that He wants to do amazing things through you. Don’t try to rush through the turmoil or dust it under the rug. Let God do what He’s supposed to do. Brent says to “let the wrecking ball hit,” and once the dust settles, you’ll have a huge opportunity to make lasting changes. Your church will be listening, and they’re ready.
  1. Understand risks related to growth. Expect attendance to turnover, but don’t take it personally. People are going to leave, yet others will want to see what’s new. People are still finding Jesus, and their families are excited about it. Brent says he sees a lot of new generation Christians in his church, and word-of-mouth has been the biggest influencer. Give people something good to talk about.
  1. Embrace risk and trust God. Brent’s turbulent season allowed him to recapture a vulnerable level of open-handed faithfulness. Remember, you can only say yes to what God wants you to do, and success is as big of a test as suffering. Take hold of God and keep your hands open, not allowing yourself to lose faith in His will. Live within calculated risks where God has to show up. If there’s no place for God to show up and do something, you’re not exercising faith. Give Him the chance to work for you, because the pressure is on God. It’s His church.

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My latest book is available now. It’s designed especially of church leaders and their teams.

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Next Episode: Whit George

Church on the Move in Tulsa Oklahoma is known for innovation. It’s also about to undersgo a sigifincant leadership transition.

Next week, I talk with the driving force behind much of the creative innovation at the church in the last decade, Whit George, who is the Executive Pastor and one-day Senior Pastor of COTM, as he prepares to succeed his father, Willie George.

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What People Learn About You as a Leader Without You Saying A Word

As a leader, people are always anxious to figure out who you really are.

It’s understandable. A leader’s primary commodity is trust. People follow leaders they trust. Violate that trust, and people stop following you.

Many leaders talk a good game. And that’s understandable.

Yet habits and actions reveal more about any leader than words. And that’s what people study. As the old saying goes, “actions speak louder than words.” And that’s exceptionally true in leadership. 

So what actions are people looking at? What are they really studying to see whether you are a good leader to follow?

In my experience, there are at least 5 things that reveal who you really are as a leader. It’s also easy to overlook these 5 things, or to convince yourself that what you say will compensate for what you do if what you do falls short.

Yet nothing a leader says eventually outweighs what a leader does. Your actions—not your words—create your leadership and your legacy.

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So what should you be watching as a leader?

1. Whether you deliver on your promises

You never need to open your mouth for your team to determine whether they can trust you.

Trust, after all, is confidence.

The best way to establish confidence as a leader is to do what you said you’re going to do when you said you’re going to do it.

The challenge, of course, is that’s much harder to do than it seems.

Be careful about what you promise.

Be even more careful about how you deliver. It is far better to under-promise and over-deliver than it is to offer assurances that mean nothing.

And if you mess up, own up. People respect that.

And then do everything in your power not to repeat the same mistake again.

2. Whether you truly value your family or their family

I was talking to a leader the other week who was trying to figure out how much time to take off when there was so much to do at his rapidly growing church.

As we discussed this, it occurred to me that how he valued his family would signal whether he wanted his staff to value their families.

Most team members want a senior leader to go home at night to see his family.

The late night, early morning and all weekend emails actually discourage your staff.  So do the seven day work weeks.

Even if you tell your staff “you take time off, I need to work,” they rarely feel secure in taking that time off.

Unfortunately, it took me years to learn that my working longer hours communicates to the team that it’s never safe for them to take time off.

How you value your family signals to your team whether you value their families.

3. What your real priorities are

You don’t need to tell people what your true priorities are; they can see them.

Often there’s a disconnect in many leaders’ minds between what they think their priorities are and what they actually are.

What reveals your real priorities?

What you spend your time on.

What you spend your money on.

What you measure.

What you reward.

You can say someone or something is important, but if you never fund it, never spend time on it, never assess results or reward progress, people will rightly conclude it’s not a priority.

If you say reaching young families is a priority but you budget $500 a year for it and refuse to put your best staff or volunteers on the project, it’s not a priority.

As a leader, your calendar and your organizational budget reveal what you value most.

4. Whether people matter to you

Leaders juggle so many issues that it’s hard to not be constantly distracted or pre-occupied when talking to someone.

It’s easy to become a leader who brushes people off, looks impatient and simply sees people as a means to an end.

People aren’t a means to an end; they’re actually the end. Ultimately, we’re all in the people business.

When you meet someone, ask yourself:

Did you stop? 

Did you listen?

Did you look them in the eye?

Did you follow up?

How you treat people is a sign that they matter. Or a sign they don’t.

5. What you’re really like when the pressure’s on

Most of us like to grade ourselves on our good days or on our average days.

And that sets the tone of a lot of your leadership.

But what do people really watch for?

How you handle things on bad days.

How you responded during your last crisis will tell you exactly where your character is at.

Most of us will look back to the last crisis and wince. But that’s okay: it establishes the baseline from which progress needs to be made.

Crisis reveals character, and, as much as you wish it wasn’t true, your team is watching you intensely on your bad days.

What Else?

If you want more on character, heart, health and leadership, I wrote a full chapter about it in my best selling church leadership book, Lasting Impact: 7 Powerful Conversations That Will Help Your Church Grow.

In the meantime, what do you look for in other leaders?

And what do you look for in yourself?

Scroll down and leave a comment!

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7 Real Reasons Your Sermons, Writing or Ideas Are Boring

If there’s one thing you never set out to be as a leader or communicator, it’s boring.

And yet everyone who communicates, preaches or even tries to persuade someone of an idea has discovered that sinking sense that you’ve lost your audience.

How exactly does that happen?

I’ve been communicating professionally since I was 16 years old in radio, law and for the last two decades, preaching and speaking, and over the years have become a student of what engages people and what doesn’t.

I learned the principles below because at one point or another, I violated all of them.

Here are 7 factors that disengage an audience that are so easy to miss if you’re not looking for them.

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1. You haven’t understood or empathized with your audience

There is no such thing as a ‘generic’ audience; you really can’t connect with your audience if you don’t understand them.

Recently I spent some time with a friend talking about a conference we’re both speaking at.

Because I knew the audience better than he did, he spent 40 minutes asking me exactly who would be in the audience, what their hopes and fears are, what they struggle with and how he should approach them.

I was amazed by this for a few reasons.

First, my friend is a multiple New York Times bestselling author and speaks to large influential audiences all the time. If anyone could just waltz in and speak, he could.

Second, even though he has far more offers to speak than he can possibly accept, he is infinitely interested in the audiences he speaks to.

The fact that he’s so in demand, so good at what he does and that he cares deeply about his audience is likely all connected.

The more deeply you care about your audience, the more deeply they’ll care about what you say.

2. Focusing on what people need to know, not on what people want to know

There’s a tension for every communicator between talking to people about what they want to know and talking to people about what they need to know.

If you want to draw a crowd, it’s easy to focus on what people want to know.

But every communicator knows sometimes you just need to tell people what they need to know, even if they don’t want to hear it.

That’s an especial challenge for preachers.

If you always preach about what people want to know, you’ll likely miss what people need to know.

If you only focus on what people need to know, people have a way of tuning you out.

When people tune you out, it might not be evidence that you’re being faithful (as many preachers claim). It might just be evidence you’re being ineffective

So what do you do?

Here’s where I’ve landed. I try to discern what people want, and then I deliver what people need.

For example, few people want to hear about what the Bible has to say about money or sex.

But as a communicator, if I drill down on why God gave us instruction in this area and look for the benefit God intends to bring to people’s lives through it, I’ve then isolated what people will want to hear and can better deliver what they need to hear.

3. You haven’t described a problem people want to solve

The problem with a lot of communication is that it doesn’t start with a problem.

Too often, communicators or writers just start.

Your audience is asking one question: why should I listen? Why should I read further? I have problems to solve and you’re not helping me.

Counter that explicitly.

If almost always start any talk I’m doing describing a problem people face—at work, at home, in their relationship with God or in their relationship with each other.

How do you do that? Describe the problem in detail: ie. You’re so frustrated with God because He says he’s a God of love, but you read the Old Testament and beg to differ. And you wonder if you can even trust a God like that.

If you really want people to drill down on the issues, take the next step. Make the problem worse. Describe it in such detail that people are no longer sure there’s a solution to it.

If you want to see this in action, I spend the first ten minutes of my message on violence in the Old Testament explaining the problem and then ‘making it worse’ before I address it.

You can watch that message here.

4. You didn’t expressed an old idea in a fresh way

For the record, Solomon was right, there isn’t anything new under the sun.

None of us truly speaks about anything new.

As a result, it’s easy to fall into cliches and common descriptions of issues everyone’s trying to address.

For example, I almost called point 2 of this blog post “You’re answering questions nobody is asking.” But I realized that as you skimmed the article you would think “I’ve heard that a thousand times” and tune out.

So I changed the expression of the point to “Focusing on what people need to know, not on what people want to know.”

It’s a little fresher.

Again, that’s not a brand new idea, but it’s a more unique expression of it.

If your ideas are simply retreads of other people’s ideas, people will tune out.

5. You haven’t crafted your words well enough to make them memorable

I spoke to a couple a few weeks ago about a series I preached four years ago.

They’re in their twenties, so that’s almost one fifth of their life in the past.

They quoted the bottom line of that series to me and asked me to use it again at their wedding.

The bottom line was simply this: Like is an emotion. Love is a decision. 

It’s hard to believe someone remembers something you said four years earlier, but it happens.

They then told me they want their life together to be built on a decision to love each other, not an emotion they’re feeling. What’s so powerful to me as a pastor is that single line contained the direction for an entire six part series whose ideas they were able to recall. (If you’re wondering, that isn’t available online right now. It might be again soon.)

The power of carefully crafted phrases is that they’re memorable, and memorable phrases keep going to work years after you’ve finished speaking them.

How do you craft memorable phrases? I outline the process here.

6. You don’t personally own the message

There was a season when cool church was enough.

But people are tired of slick. They’re suspicious of polish.

In many ways, authentic is the new cool.

One of the keys to authenticity is personally owning everything you say. People want to know you believe what you’re saying.

In a world of spin where so much is sold, people are looking for real.

Be real.

When you own the message—when it comes from the core of who you are—it resonates.

So own your message.

That means you’ve processed it deeply enough that it has become part of who are, not just something you say.

7. You’re relying too heavily on your notes

In public speaking, people won’t believe you own the message if you’re reading it.

It comes across as a press release. Or a statement someone else prepared. Or something you think they should believe, but you don’t believe yourself.

I know that’s tough for people who are tied to manuscripts.

Please hear me: reading from your notes doesn’t mean you’re insincere, it just means people often think you are.

So is there help? You bet.

If you want to learn how to free yourself from speaking with notes, I shared a 5 step method on how to do that here. It’s exactly how I got freed up from my notes.

Want the heart of it?

It’s this: don’t memorize your talk. Understand it.

You don’t memorize your conversations before you have them because you understand them.

So understand your next talk.

You can always talk about things you understand.

Want More?

Personally, my go-to resource for learning how to improve my preaching has become Preaching Rocket (affiliate link). I have learned so much from Jeff Henderson and the team there over the years.

If you want to sample Preaching Rocket for free,  you can check out their free 7 day free trial offer here.

In the meantime, let’s share some learning. What are some other things you’ve seen that lose an audience?

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CNLP 083: Ravi Zacharias on How Preaching And Evangelism Need to Change to Reach the Next Generation

Few people alive today have spoken to as many non believers and believers alike as Ravi Zacharias.

In this interview, Ravi shares what’s changed in people’s attitudes toward Christianity and what needs to change in Western preaching to effectively share the Gospel with the next generation.

Welcome to Episode 83 of the Podcast.

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Guest Links: Ravi Zacharias

Ravi Zacharias International Ministries

Episode 53

Ravi on Twitter

Ravi Zacharias on Facebook

Links Mentioned in this Episode

Peter Tan-Chi

John Stott

Thanks A Million—Let’s Celebrate (Some Gifts For You)

Thank you to the listeners who have inspired this podcast! This week, we pass 1,000,000 downloads, and I couldn’t be more excited! To celebrate, I have a couple of surprises for you. I will load a Starbucks gift card to my Instagram at random times, once a day for 5 days. (April 12-April 16) Enjoy the free drinks while they last.

Also, if you’ve read my new book, Lasting Impact, I’m going to be giving away a FREE team edition, a video companion to the book that goes along with each chapter.

If you’ve read the book, leave a review on Amazon.

When you receive your confirmation for leaving a review, forward that to leadership@careynieuwhof.com.

From April 12-16, I will be giving away one free team edition to the book! We’ll let every winner know if they’ve won via email.

3 Things You Can Do Right Away

How do we begin to step into the changes of facing Christianity in the midst of cultural changes? Ravi Zacharias emphasizes how leaders need to shape and sharpen our messages to have a more powerful impact.

  1. The message has to be interesting. If it’s not interesting, we’re competing against a world that has a scorching paganism, and you can’t put tepid Christianity beside it.
  1. Effective preaching needs to be intellectually rigorous. Preachers need to fully engage the mind and the heart. Without the heart, intellect becomes intellectualism.
  1. Effective preaching needs to be emotionally connected. Preachers need to fully engage the heart and the mind. Without the mind, emotional preaching becomes emotionalism.

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Available online now! Get your copy of Lasting Impact today! 

My latest book is available now. It’s designed especially of church leaders and their teams.

Lasting Impact frames 7 pivotal conversations every church team needs to have, covering subject like declining church attendance, team health, creating a culture volunteers love and how to engineer change in your church.

Order on Amazon, or visit LastingImpactBook.com! The video team edition, featuring 8 videos where I teach through the key concepts in the book, releases later this month. Stay tune for details.

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Next Episode: Brent Ingersoll

Leading a turnaround church is tough. Leading it after the previous leader experienced moral failure is even harder. Doing it all at age 29 makes the story remarkable. Brent Ingersoll stepped directly from student ministry into the senior leader’s chair where he’s led the church to rapid growth and expansion in an area in which few churches are growing. Here’s Brent Ingersoll’s story.

Subscribe for free now, and you won’t miss Episode 84.